[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

[carlisle1]

I'm sure if he kept his belt, Inoue is already willing to fight him after Donaire. The monster is eager to take all the belt from this division and
that's why we will going to witness the fight with Butler.

That's for sure. I don't even know why everyone claiming that Inoue is afraid of Inoue.

If Casimero just do the right way, he should be the one here and not Paul Butler.

But still, I will favor Inoue to win that match if ever Casimero is his opponent here. It's just that we will be entertained more to fight Casimero against Inoue than Paul Butler as the gap between Butler and Inoue is really huge.

Typo error might be, but like you, I also do not agree with those who keep talking about Inoue trying to avoid Casimero. He already answering
from his social post and he's looking forward to the fight to happen.

It's just that Casimero didn't take care of his weight and that incident of removing the belt for him is not something that being forced but
instead, the organization gave him the chance but he waste it.

Maybe it's much entertaining if the fight happens between Casimero and Inoue, but there's nothing we can do now.

[Silberman]

Now, such fight is far from happening as Casimero has no more belts to boast for.
And as he is in the new weight division, let's see if they will still cross their path.
A lot are saying that Inoue was really scared of Casimero, but I don't think that was the real deal before.
If only the fight happened, we should have known now the level of Casimero as compared to Inoue.

This is why it is so disappointing they did not got to fight each other, because even if I think Inoue would win a potential fight between the two of them, we also know that anything can happen in a fight and a single punch is more than enough not only to change the trajectory of a fight but even of a whole career, however while I do not like champions losing their titles over the table Casimero was given enough chances and he simply wasted them, so I cannot say I disagree with the decision.

[Yaunfitda]

Now, such fight is far from happening as Casimero has no more belts to boast for.
And as he is in the new weight division, let's see if they will still cross their path.
A lot are saying that Inoue was really scared of Casimero, but I don't think that was the real deal before.
If only the fight happened, we should have known now the level of Casimero as compared to Inoue.

This is why it is so disappointing they did not got to fight each other, because even if I think Inoue would win a potential fight between the two of them, we also know that anything can happen in a fight and a single punch is more than enough not only to change the trajectory of a fight but even of a whole career, however while I do not like champions losing their titles over the table Casimero was given enough chances and he simply wasted them, so I cannot say I disagree with the decision.

Casimero will still have the opportunity to have a crack against Inoue but it will be in the next division. But it might take some time because he doesn't have the belt and he has to go a lot of fighters and maybe his height could be a disadvantage in this weight class. What a waste of opportunity in this career, he trash talk his way and almost got the fight he wanted against Inoue, but his own issues bring down the fight.

[Questat]

Now, such fight is far from happening as Casimero has no more belts to boast for.
And as he is in the new weight division, let's see if they will still cross their path.
A lot are saying that Inoue was really scared of Casimero, but I don't think that was the real deal before.
If only the fight happened, we should have known now the level of Casimero as compared to Inoue.

This is why it is so disappointing they did not got to fight each other, because even if I think Inoue would win a potential fight between the two of them, we also know that anything can happen in a fight and a single punch is more than enough not only to change the trajectory of a fight but even of a whole career, however while I do not like champions losing their titles over the table Casimero was given enough chances and he simply wasted them, so I cannot say I disagree with the decision.

Casimero will still have the opportunity to have a crack against Inoue but it will be in the next division. But it might take some time because he doesn't have the belt and he has to go a lot of fighters and maybe his height could be a disadvantage in this weight class. What a waste of opportunity in this career, he trash talk his way and almost got the fight he wanted against Inoue, but his own issues bring down the fight.

The same thing with Inoue, if he will move up to the next division, he is also not a champion, so that's the best chance he will fight Casimero if he will make it happen. I'm sure promoter of Casimero would be happy to deal with that as they know the fight will gain attention to the fans and they will make a decent  amount of money, although it's not a championship fight.

[Pamadar]

Now, such fight is far from happening as Casimero has no more belts to boast for.
And as he is in the new weight division, let's see if they will still cross their path.
A lot are saying that Inoue was really scared of Casimero, but I don't think that was the real deal before.
If only the fight happened, we should have known now the level of Casimero as compared to Inoue.

This is why it is so disappointing they did not got to fight each other, because even if I think Inoue would win a potential fight between the two of them, we also know that anything can happen in a fight and a single punch is more than enough not only to change the trajectory of a fight but even of a whole career, however while I do not like champions losing their titles over the table Casimero was given enough chances and he simply wasted them, so I cannot say I disagree with the decision.

Casimero will still have the opportunity to have a crack against Inoue but it will be in the next division. But it might take some time because he doesn't have the belt and he has to go a lot of fighters and maybe his height could be a disadvantage in this weight class. What a waste of opportunity in this career, he trash talk his way and almost got the fight he wanted against Inoue, but his own issues bring down the fight.

The same thing with Inoue, if he will move up to the next division, he is also not a champion, so that's the best chance he will fight Casimero if he will make it happen. I'm sure promoter of Casimero would be happy to deal with that as they know the fight will gain attention to the fans and they will make a decent  amount of money, although it's not a championship fight.

Maybe yes and maybe no, Casimero vs Inoue in a ordinary fight might not gain much attentions.

Unlike if Inoue moves up and challenges the current champ from the division, it will gain more viewers and interest from the
fans.

Though we all wanted to see these fights to happen but in this case it was Casimero who needed to prove something before
he can reach or call for a challenge to Inoue.

[deathcode]

Now, such fight is far from happening as Casimero has no more belts to boast for.
And as he is in the new weight division, let's see if they will still cross their path.
A lot are saying that Inoue was really scared of Casimero, but I don't think that was the real deal before.
If only the fight happened, we should have known now the level of Casimero as compared to Inoue.

This is why it is so disappointing they did not got to fight each other, because even if I think Inoue would win a potential fight between the two of them, we also know that anything can happen in a fight and a single punch is more than enough not only to change the trajectory of a fight but even of a whole career, however while I do not like champions losing their titles over the table Casimero was given enough chances and he simply wasted them, so I cannot say I disagree with the decision.

Casimero will still have the opportunity to have a crack against Inoue but it will be in the next division. But it might take some time because he doesn't have the belt and he has to go a lot of fighters and maybe his height could be a disadvantage in this weight class. What a waste of opportunity in this career, he trash talk his way and almost got the fight he wanted against Inoue, but his own issues bring down the fight.

Well that's a shame, but if only Casimero hadn't made the ridiculous mistake that cost him his belt.
it's possible that we'll see Inoue fight Casimero, and it will be a very interesting fight and captivate the interest of many viewers.
we know, both Casimero and Inoue are fights with amazing and extraordinary records.

But now I hope that Inoue can beat Paul and become the holder of all belts in this division.

[stadus]

I'm sure if he kept his belt, Inoue is already willing to fight him after Donaire. The monster is eager to take all the belt from this division and
that's why we will going to witness the fight with Butler.

That's for sure. I don't even know why everyone claiming that Inoue is afraid of Inoue.

If Casimero just do the right way, he should be the one here and not Paul Butler.

But still, I will favor Inoue to win that match if ever Casimero is his opponent here. It's just that we will be entertained more to fight Casimero against Inoue than Paul Butler as the gap between Butler and Inoue is really huge.

If only that video of Casimero wasn't leaked, we would've had a chance to see Casimero and Inoue fighting for the undisputed title in the bantamweight division but we cannot do anything about it as of now because Casimero was already stripped off his belt that is why Butler had an easy way of getting the belt. Just hold your horses folks, we may see them fighting again soon if Inoue will climb the next division, for sure he'd love to give Casimero a chance.

[btc_angela]

I'm sure if he kept his belt, Inoue is already willing to fight him after Donaire. The monster is eager to take all the belt from this division and
that's why we will going to witness the fight with Butler.

That's for sure. I don't even know why everyone claiming that Inoue is afraid of Inoue.

If Casimero just do the right way, he should be the one here and not Paul Butler.

But still, I will favor Inoue to win that match if ever Casimero is his opponent here. It's just that we will be entertained more to fight Casimero against Inoue than Paul Butler as the gap between Butler and Inoue is really huge.

If only that video of Casimero wasn't leaked, we would've had a chance to see Casimero and Inoue fighting for the undisputed title in the bantamweight division but we cannot do anything about it as of now because Casimero was already stripped off his belt that is why Butler had an easy way of getting the belt. Just hold your horses folks, we may see them fighting again soon if Inoue will climb the next division, for sure he'd love to give Casimero a chance.

I guess it's Casimero's fault for having it on his social media account like in Youtube, and this should be lessons for him not to really show everything from behind. If by chance the video is not shown and he made the weight and win against Butler by knockout or decision, he should be in this position right now.

Unfortunately, he has to move on and so he jump to the next weight class.

The odds are still not moving though, Inoue a huge 1.02 favorite as compare to Butler which is 10.00 now.

[carlisle1]

I'm sure if he kept his belt, Inoue is already willing to fight him after Donaire. The monster is eager to take all the belt from this division and
that's why we will going to witness the fight with Butler.

That's for sure. I don't even know why everyone claiming that Inoue is afraid of Inoue.

If Casimero just do the right way, he should be the one here and not Paul Butler.

But still, I will favor Inoue to win that match if ever Casimero is his opponent here. It's just that we will be entertained more to fight Casimero against Inoue than Paul Butler as the gap between Butler and Inoue is really huge.

If only that video of Casimero wasn't leaked, we would've had a chance to see Casimero and Inoue fighting for the undisputed title in the bantamweight division but we cannot do anything about it as of now because Casimero was already stripped off his belt that is why Butler had an easy way of getting the belt. Just hold your horses folks, we may see them fighting again soon if Inoue will climb the next division, for sure he'd love to give Casimero a chance.

I guess it's Casimero's fault for having it on his social media account like in Youtube, and this should be lessons for him not to really show everything from behind. If by chance the video is not shown and he made the weight and win against Butler by knockout or decision, he should be in this position right now.

Unfortunately, he has to move on and so he jump to the next weight class.

The odds are still not moving though, Inoue a huge 1.02 favorite as compare to Butler which is 10.00 now.

If you are a fan of high-risk bet, I'm pretty sure that taking a side for Butler will be an entertainment for you, though most of the gamblers will
hold their fund and wait for the fight night to see additional available odds for this fight.

Inoue, on the side note, is a KO specialist, by papers it is an easy fight for him, but ML is not nice based on my personal take, not worthy if you can't
spare huge amount for this kind of odd.

[btc_angela]

^^ It's not about being high risk bettor, we should be smart specially in this kind of fight.

As we have seen how Inoue's path to become a champion, he just overrun them with his power and precision. Even Donaire wasn't able to last against him in their rematch. So it's really hard to see how Paul Butler will pull an upset here. We might see him go down as well, just like the rest of Inoue's last couple of opponents.

[Kelvinid]

^^ It's not about being high risk bettor, we should be smart specially in this kind of fight.

As we have seen how Inoue's path to become a champion, he just overrun them with his power and precision. Even Donaire wasn't able to last against him in their rematch. So it's really hard to see how Paul Butler will pull an upset here. We might see him go down as well, just like the rest of Inoue's last couple of opponents.

If we are smart then we should not waste our money betting on Paul Butler who obviously has no chance of beating Inoue. However, you don't put money on ML because of the very low odds, guessing what round Inoue will KO Butler is quite interesting, it's a high risk because we might make a wrong prediction but the reward is certainly be satisfying.

[stadus]

I'm sure if he kept his belt, Inoue is already willing to fight him after Donaire. The monster is eager to take all the belt from this division and
that's why we will going to witness the fight with Butler.

That's for sure. I don't even know why everyone claiming that Inoue is afraid of Inoue.

If Casimero just do the right way, he should be the one here and not Paul Butler.

But still, I will favor Inoue to win that match if ever Casimero is his opponent here. It's just that we will be entertained more to fight Casimero against Inoue than Paul Butler as the gap between Butler and Inoue is really huge.

If only that video of Casimero wasn't leaked, we would've had a chance to see Casimero and Inoue fighting for the undisputed title in the bantamweight division but we cannot do anything about it as of now because Casimero was already stripped off his belt that is why Butler had an easy way of getting the belt. Just hold your horses folks, we may see them fighting again soon if Inoue will climb the next division, for sure he'd love to give Casimero a chance.

I guess it's Casimero's fault for having it on his social media account like in Youtube, and this should be lessons for him not to really show everything from behind. If by chance the video is not shown and he made the weight and win against Butler by knockout or decision, he should be in this position right now.

Unfortunately, he has to move on and so he jump to the next weight class.

The odds are still not moving though, Inoue a huge 1.02 favorite as compare to Butler which is 10.00 now.

It is everybody's fault, not just Casimero, in the first place they haven't handled Casimero's situation correctly that is why they were forced to that resort where they had an unprecedented situation. Either way, what happened is for the better because it only shows that Casimero is really struggling hard to shrink his weight, maybe he could've afford to shrink in the last minute but he will be in the same situation if he'll face Inoue next with the chance of getting stripped. I guess that is not really his time to face the monster, let's see if these two will face in 122 pounds.

[harizen]

The same thing with Inoue, if he will move up to the next division, he is also not a champion, so that's the best chance he will fight Casimero if he will make it happen. I'm sure promoter of Casimero would be happy to deal with that as they know the fight will gain attention to the fans and they will make a decent  amount of money, although it's not a championship fight.

I think we should stop for now the talk about Casimero vs Inoue's chances in the future. There are lots of things that Casimero needs to be done in the super bantamweight before being included in the discussion of competing in the title in that division. Once Inoue finally decides to move up, there might be a chance that he will face a champion already and won't start in that new environment by competing against mid-ranks.

Casimero's next opponent is not even in the Top 10 of the Super Bantamweight Rankings. To be able to take a shot against Inoue or other champions there, he should defeat some in the Top 10. Luis Nery for example, rank 10 in Super Bantamweight with a record of 32-1 24 KO, it seems Casimero will have a hard time against this boxer if ever they will face each other.

[Oasisman]

The same thing with Inoue, if he will move up to the next division, he is also not a champion, so that's the best chance he will fight Casimero if he will make it happen. I'm sure promoter of Casimero would be happy to deal with that as they know the fight will gain attention to the fans and they will make a decent  amount of money, although it's not a championship fight.

I think we should stop for now the talk about Casimero vs Inoue's chances in the future. There are lots of things that Casimero needs to be done in the super bantamweight before being included in the discussion of competing in the title in that division. Once Inoue finally decides to move up, there might be a chance that he will face a champion already and won't start in that new environment by competing against mid-ranks.

Casimero's next opponent is not even in the Top 10 of the Super Bantamweight Rankings. To be able to take a shot against Inoue or other champions there, he should defeat some in the Top 10. Luis Nery for example, rank 10 in Super Bantamweight with a record of 32-1 24 KO, it seems Casimero will have a hard time against this boxer if ever they will face each other.

Can't agree more. Casimero wasted his chance to fight against Inoue. Now, he became so distant and will have to work his way up to gain his worth fighting against Inoue.
Let's just wait what the future holds for these 2 fighters, most probably they'll gonna step in the same ring in the future. Both are still young and still has a long way ahead of their respective careers. But then again Casimero needs extra work to reach Inoue.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Inoue via knockout is much better rather than betting with a decision with low odds.

I think that would not be the betting option we can expect here in this match.

With Naoya Inoue's Knock Out rate, the odds instead for him to win by the decision will have decent odds and not low. I'm also sure that Inoue's Winning by Knock Out especially in the early rounds, probably between Rounds 1-4, won't have that good odds since chances for the fight to be finished on that said rounds are possible as we are talking Naoya Inoue and he is against a super underdog.

I really don't think that Inoue is going to beat Butler by a knockout, it's like something very terrifying for Butler, although it is very possible because the possibilities are present in them, many things can happen, among them they can be taken into account that they last All the Rounds and that the decision be unanimous, but Butler would be showing that he is a boxer who resisted one of the best there is today, this is something that must be recognized, and he could even have the right to a good rematch, However, I would think that everything could happen in the term of not finishing the rounds but with a possible knockout, and the other option is that Butler comes out, surprises Inoue and ends the fight winning.

Now, such fight is far from happening as Casimero has no more belts to boast for.
And as he is in the new weight division, let's see if they will still cross their path.
A lot are saying that Inoue was really scared of Casimero, but I don't think that was the real deal before.
If only the fight happened, we should have known now the level of Casimero as compared to Inoue.

This is why it is so disappointing they did not got to fight each other, because even if I think Inoue would win a potential fight between the two of them, we also know that anything can happen in a fight and a single punch is more than enough not only to change the trajectory of a fight but even of a whole career, however while I do not like champions losing their titles over the table Casimero was given enough chances and he simply wasted them, so I cannot say I disagree with the decision.

Casimero will still have the opportunity to have a crack against Inoue but it will be in the next division. But it might take some time because he doesn't have the belt and he has to go a lot of fighters and maybe his height could be a disadvantage in this weight class. What a waste of opportunity in this career, he trash talk his way and almost got the fight he wanted against Inoue, but his own issues bring down the fight.

Well that's a shame, but if only Casimero hadn't made the ridiculous mistake that cost him his belt.
it's possible that we'll see Inoue fight Casimero, and it will be a very interesting fight and captivate the interest of many viewers.
we know, both Casimero and Inoue are fights with amazing and extraordinary records.

But now I hope that Inoue can beat Paul and become the holder of all belts in this division.

Well I say something, Inoue is without a doubt one of the best boxers out there, so this is something that should be given, while Inopue has already proven to be the best in his category, he has to level up, I don't think he has more things to prove, for me that if he should give him the opportunity to fight against Casimero and against whoever if he wants to continue being the best, for me a boxer who decides to move up in category is to show that he can win any fight, against any boxer , and obviously earn more money, would be entering another business model that is much larger than the previous one, everything is connected.

Inoue vs. Butler: Peter McGrail Lands Spot on Undercard

Peter McGrail will have “unfinished business” on his mind when he fights on the undercard of a monster show in Japan this December.

The gifted super bantamweight has secured a place on the undercard of the undisputed world bantamweight title showdown between Naoya Inoue and Paul Butler in Tokyo.

McGrail returns to Japan on December 13 ready to draw a line under the disappointment of his Olympic exit in the country last year and show the world of boxing why he remains destined for the pinnacle of the sport.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/inoue-vs-butler-peter-mcgrail-lands-spot-on-undercard--169823

[chaser15]

I really don't think that Inoue is going to beat Butler by a knockout, it's like something very terrifying for Butler, although it is very possible because the possibilities are present in them, many things can happen, among them they can be taken into account that they last All the Rounds and that the decision be unanimous, but Butler would be showing that he is a boxer who resisted one of the best there is today, this is something that must be recognized, and he could even have the right to a good rematch

I don't understand some parts of your post but I'm amazed that there are still a few thinks that Butler will survive the 12 rounds against Inoue.

It might happen and that's possible but in my observation and analysis I will rule out that from happening.

However, I would think that everything could happen in the term of not finishing the rounds but with a possible knockout, and the other option is that Butler comes out, surprises Inoue and ends the fight winning.

I will also ruled out the possibility of Butler winning the fight at the end. I can't even say such things and no offense to Butler's followers.

We just have to wait on the day of the fight to see if there will be an upset win or if the monster will just do his monster thing.

[Silberman]

The same thing with Inoue, if he will move up to the next division, he is also not a champion, so that's the best chance he will fight Casimero if he will make it happen. I'm sure promoter of Casimero would be happy to deal with that as they know the fight will gain attention to the fans and they will make a decent  amount of money, although it's not a championship fight.

However the case of Inoue is different, if he wins his next fight against Butler and he becomes the undisputed he will immediately get a chance to fight for a title, this is the reason Usyk and Canelo after becoming undisputed champions on their division could immediately try to get a championship on the next division, and this is key as it could save Inoue a bunch of fights to prove his worth on the next division, but Casimero cannot do the same and he will need to once again demonstrate his worth.

[Pamadar]

The same thing with Inoue, if he will move up to the next division, he is also not a champion, so that's the best chance he will fight Casimero if he will make it happen. I'm sure promoter of Casimero would be happy to deal with that as they know the fight will gain attention to the fans and they will make a decent  amount of money, although it's not a championship fight.

However the case of Inoue is different, if he wins his next fight against Butler and he becomes the undisputed he will immediately get a chance to fight for a title, this is the reason Usyk and Canelo after becoming undisputed champions on their division could immediately try to get a championship on the next division, and this is key as it could save Inoue a bunch of fights to prove his worth on the next division, but Casimero cannot do the same and he will need to once again demonstrate his worth.

Indeed, it's a token for Inoue to have that instant challenge to the next division champ just like what Canelo did when chasing

for Bivol's belt but it didn't happen since Bivol is more prepared and more fit from that current weight unlike with Alvarez
who needed to adjust and gain weight.

With Casimero, he needed to start from the scratch and prove that he belonged to this new division. It's better for him to
Jump up before the belt was stripped.. Just saying..

[harizen]

However the case of Inoue is different, if he wins his next fight against Butler and he becomes the undisputed he will immediately get a chance to fight for a title, this is the reason Usyk and Canelo after becoming undisputed champions on their division could immediately try to get a championship on the next division, and this is key as it could save Inoue a bunch of fights to prove his worth on the next division,

Naoya Inoue already said a couple of months ago that he wants to face the current WBC and WBO super bantamweight Champion Stephen Fulton once he moved up a weight division and successfully achieved being the undisputed bantamweight champion by defeating Paul Butler.

The Japanese monster is really comfortable that he can easily adopt well to the 122 lbs environment from 118 lbs.

“At 122 pounds, I can move more, and I think I can demonstrate my strength more. I don’t know how much damage I can do to opponents who should be naturally bigger. It will be an unknown world. - Naoya Inoue

[Baofeng]

However the case of Inoue is different, if he wins his next fight against Butler and he becomes the undisputed he will immediately get a chance to fight for a title, this is the reason Usyk and Canelo after becoming undisputed champions on their division could immediately try to get a championship on the next division, and this is key as it could save Inoue a bunch of fights to prove his worth on the next division,

Naoya Inoue already said a couple of months ago that he wants to face the current WBC and WBO super bantamweight Champion Stephen Fulton once he moved up a weight division and successfully achieved being the undisputed bantamweight champion by defeating Paul Butler.

The Japanese monster is really comfortable that he can easily adopt well to the 122 lbs environment from 118 lbs.

“At 122 pounds, I can move more, and I think I can demonstrate my strength more. I don’t know how much damage I can do to opponents who should be naturally bigger. It will be an unknown world. - Naoya Inoue

Not just Stephen Fulton, but Murodjon Akhmadaliev, the WBA and IBF  are waiting for Inoue too.

Yes, Inoue says that he is more comfortable at 122 lbs, his body could adapt easily at this new weight class as it is much easier for him to lose and diet around it.

So it will be interesting weight class once he officially move in, because Casimero is also having his baptism of fire in Super Bantamweight/Jr. Featherweight at the end of the year.