[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13

[serjent05]

Money will always follow as long as Inoue can maintain his record and strength to keep the people on following him, for now, it's best for Inoue to slow down first because that is more safer. Arum knows what to do, he cannot let Inoue go directly to the champions even if the money is good because it is risky, what will that money do if in case Inoue will be defeated as surely his worth will decrease after that.

I agree that fighting the nearest title contenders is a good idea so that Inoue can get used to the division and to see if he's ready or not, not an easy fight before the champions because the challengers are also tough but he can do it.

Stepping up on one higher division is never been that easy for every boxer which neither it would be approved or be rejected because we do know about "cash cow" word on this industry which it is true that it wont really be easily be approved or pushed through if they do saw that it would really be that dangerous.

Well it depends on the boxer, for example, Manny Pacquiao has no trouble going up in weight division.  In fact he there are several incidents that Manny have problem maintaining his weight which resuled to his first two losses.  It wouldn't be easy if the boxer tried to move to a heavier division that is not his natural weight.  And with Inoue if he has problem meeting the required weight in his current division, I do not think that he will have difficulty in moving up and getting that division's title.

Its true that once a boxer do suffer out some losses then is really that losing its value and interest.Nothing goes much better of seeing a boxer which is undefeated, although staying up on the current division on which he's been dominating is much more better.

I agree that the value of a boxer will diminish if he losses but I believe the boxer's popularity can easily recover if he beats a more dominating boxer.  After all, it is normal in boxing to lose, there are only 1 guy that retried with an unblemished record.  Again regarding on staying on the division, it is still depending on the situation of the boxer.  For example, Inoue is dominating his weight division but later he has problem meeting the required maximum weight, so he has to move up in order to maintain a 100% condition during the fight.

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[Japinat]

Its true that once a boxer do suffer out some losses then is really that losing its value and interest.Nothing goes much better of seeing a boxer which is undefeated, although staying up on the current division on which he's been dominating is much more better.

I agree that the value of a boxer will diminish if he losses but I believe the boxer's popularity can easily recover if he beats a more dominating boxer.  After all, it is normal in boxing to lose, there are only 1 guy that retried with an unblemished record.  Again regarding on staying on the division, it is still depending on the situation of the boxer.  For example, Inoue is dominating his weight division but later he has problem meeting the required maximum weight, so he has to move up in order to maintain a 100% condition during the fight.

The value will recover if that specific boxer will defeat a much more dominating boxer or defeat him in his own division but that won't come easy because that same boxer will have to be patient first before he can reach that stage where he can redeem his value or much higher than that. Also, it is every boxer's dream is to maintain their undefeated status while also cement their legacy and there's just few boxers who did that until they retire.
As for this one, Inoue will have to risk his record in-order to gain because he won't be growing if he will always stay in his comfortable division.

[agustina2]

After all, it is normal in boxing to lose, there are only 1 guy that retried with an unblemished record. 

I agree that in boxing it's normal to lose.

But if we talk about Inoue, if he loses to Paul Butler, that wasn't normal lol but I will give a big recognition to Butler for making that successful win. On the other hand, if Butler loses, that's not really a thing that most boxing fans will be surprised as that was expected even before the preparation of this match.

For example, Inoue is dominating his weight division but later he has problem meeting the required maximum weight, so he has to move up in order to maintain a 100% condition during the fight.

Since Inoue is always in 100% health status and a disciplined boxer, I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

[PX-Z]

I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Because it is the hardest thing in boxing, the adjustment of weight either above or below your usual weight and still maintain a good body condition is not that easy though. Many struggles on that phase just to make a fight.

[chaser15]

Also, it is every boxer's dream is to maintain their undefeated status while also cement their legacy and there's just few boxers who did that until they retire.
As for this one, Inoue will have to risk his record in-order to gain because he won't be growing if he will always stay in his comfortable division.

Naoya Inoue already knows and surely understands that moving up will come to him. He's prepared for that.

Besides, I think SuperBantamweight will still be his comfortable division soon as it's not that a big leap from Bantamweight to Super Bantamweight.

It's easy to move up instead of moving down. Boxers increase their strength more during moving up as they will also take additional training in the process.

[ThemePen]

Since Inoue is always in 100% health status and a disciplined boxer, I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Yes of course this is not a big deal. If he can get 118 so 122 is near to it. And he can make easily.

Every work ask for hard working so here it is also matters.  This will take some hard work and I am sure he can get this achievement easily and can get the figure 122 easily.

[Mahanton]

Also, it is every boxer's dream is to maintain their undefeated status while also cement their legacy and there's just few boxers who did that until they retire.
As for this one, Inoue will have to risk his record in-order to gain because he won't be growing if he will always stay in his comfortable division.

Naoya Inoue already knows and surely understands that moving up will come to him. He's prepared for that.

Besides, I think SuperBantamweight will still be his comfortable division soon as it's not that a big leap from Bantamweight to Super Bantamweight.

It's easy to move up instead of moving down. Boxers increase their strength more during moving up as they will also take additional training in the process.

On the time that you decided to move up on weight division then you would really need to work hard for it.There are really that things will be changed up which is mainly your weight.
Just like the rest been saying that moving to an heavier weight isnt really just too far off with this current division which giving out a little or stepping up wont really be an issue for him.
It would really be interesting for those fighters for said weight division whether he would be able to dominate this area or would really be
a tough one for him but knowing Inoue then it wont really that much hard but lets see.

[Japinat]

Also, it is every boxer's dream is to maintain their undefeated status while also cement their legacy and there's just few boxers who did that until they retire.
As for this one, Inoue will have to risk his record in-order to gain because he won't be growing if he will always stay in his comfortable division.

Naoya Inoue already knows and surely understands that moving up will come to him. He's prepared for that.

Besides, I think SuperBantamweight will still be his comfortable division soon as it's not that a big leap from Bantamweight to Super Bantamweight.

It's easy to move up instead of moving down. Boxers increase their strength more during moving up as they will also take additional training in the process.

So far, Naoya Inoue don't have any issues on his weight that is why he is planning to climb the next weight class and I reckon that he just don't see himself staying long at the bantamweight division if he can still move up and grab titles. As we all know, rumors had it that Inoue might be following Pacquiao's footstep or trying to break it.

By the way, I echo your sentiment that super bantam will be soon Inoue's comfortable division because the weight difference is not that big. So, his prowess won't be heavily affected at all.

[stadus]

I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Because it is the hardest thing in boxing, the adjustment of weight either above or below your usual weight and still maintain a good body condition is not that easy though. Many struggles on that phase just to make a fight.

Except if Inoue given his age now, he might be a natural super bantamweight already because that is the most case when boxers grew much older, their weight is also keeping up with them. And there are also some few talented boxers and fighters that are flexible enough to control their weights so that they won't have any difficulties in moving up and down within the specific three weight classes.

[cabron]

^ Naoya to 8 div champ. Hard to achieve as the weight gets heavier while he will encounter taller fighters who are used to thier weight division.

Also, it is every boxer's dream is to maintain their undefeated status while also cement their legacy and there's just few boxers who did that until they retire.
As for this one, Inoue will have to risk his record in-order to gain because he won't be growing if he will always stay in his comfortable division.

Naoya Inoue already knows and surely understands that moving up will come to him. He's prepared for that.

Besides, I think SuperBantamweight will still be his comfortable division soon as it's not that a big leap from Bantamweight to Super Bantamweight.

It's easy to move up instead of moving down. Boxers increase their strength more during moving up as they will also take additional training in the process.

On the time that you decided to move up on weight division then you would really need to work hard for it.There are really that things will be changed up which is mainly your weight.
Just like the rest been saying that moving to an heavier weight isnt really just too far off with this current division which giving out a little or stepping up wont really be an issue for him.
It would really be interesting for those fighters for said weight division whether he would be able to dominate this area or would really be
a tough one for him but knowing Inoue then it wont really that much hard but lets see.

A boxer retiring as an undefeated champ and popular will always remain a champ in the eyes of the fans. He'd always going to get a generous offer to come back to the ring. It will be hard for him to resist the offer. Naoya is too young to retire though. But if he ever retires, he will have a lot of commercial ad offers. Champs like him can help brand names.

[inthelongrun]

Since Inoue is always in 100% health status and a disciplined boxer, I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Yes of course this is not a big deal. If he can get 118 so 122 is near to it. And he can make easily.

Every work ask for hard working so here it is also matters.  This will take some hard work and I am sure he can get this achievement easily and can get the figure 122 easily.

Naoya Inoue and Johnereil Casimero are small bantamweights so they are supposed to make their weight limits. Although I do not agree when Casimero was stripped and the sauna nonsense ruling, it is still the lack of discipline on Casimero's side that he failed on his previous 2 fight deals that were canceled.

I haven't heard yet from Inoue's 122 target, the WBO/WBC champ Stephen Fulton who's been mandated by the WBC to rematch Brandon Figueroa for the WBC interim strap at 126. Mark Magsayo's conqueror, the current WBC 126 champion Rey Vargas was mandated to fight for the vacant WBC belt at 130, although he can return to 126 again should he fails to win. After his fight with Butler, it seems like we will see Inoue fighting for any of the vacant belts at 122 left by Fulton. 

[Kemarit]

I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Because it is the hardest thing in boxing, the adjustment of weight either above or below your usual weight and still maintain a good body condition is not that easy though. Many struggles on that phase just to make a fight.

True, there are boxers that also struggles when they move up in weight, they seems to look like overweight on the next division. And I guess that's what really separates legendary boxer to just ordinary boxers, because legendary boxers such as Pacquiao, Oscar Dela Hoya and Floyd can go up in weight and somewhat carry their power and win against natural boxers within that weight class. Hopefully Casimero and Inoue can go up without any problems at super bantamweight.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I don't know about you, but this fight has had a different tint again, I know that many were 100% with Inoue, but I have read in some other forums that they are only about boxing that they have a lot of hope about Butler, I don't know, it is speculated that it is because of the type of preparation and training that he has taken and this has made people begin to consider their bets, this is something that does not seem bad to me, because I know that despite all this speculation the numbers will be very favor of Inoue, and looking at it from a technical point of view, Inoue is very good, but the surprise factor is that which sometimes surprises us and since there is so much money involved, things can change.

[Jating]

I don't know about you, but this fight has had a different tint again, I know that many were 100% with Inoue, but I have read in some other forums that they are only about boxing that they have a lot of hope about Butler, I don't know, it is speculated that it is because of the type of preparation and training that he has taken and this has made people begin to consider their bets, this is something that does not seem bad to me, because I know that despite all this speculation the numbers will be very favor of Inoue, and looking at it from a technical point of view, Inoue is very good, but the surprise factor is that which sometimes surprises us and since there is so much money involved, things can change.

Not sure who are rooting for Butler against the Monster here, but maybe they are just looking for that huge odds and of course the money that they are going to win if Butler put an upset.

But if you have followed boxing, and not read on some other forums that Butler is this and Butler is that. We should know by now how dangerous Naoya is, we thought that Donaire has a chance against Naoya and yet he destroyed him in 2 rounds. So I bet those who are saying in other forums that Butler has a chance is the same individuals who think that Nonito has a good chance as well, just saying.

[Japinat]

I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Because it is the hardest thing in boxing, the adjustment of weight either above or below your usual weight and still maintain a good body condition is not that easy though. Many struggles on that phase just to make a fight.

True, there are boxers that also struggles when they move up in weight, they seems to look like overweight on the next division. And I guess that's what really separates legendary boxer to just ordinary boxers, because legendary boxers such as Pacquiao, Oscar Dela Hoya and Floyd can go up in weight and somewhat carry their power and win against natural boxers within that weight class. Hopefully Casimero and Inoue can go up without any problems at super bantamweight.

That also separates them from the ordinary boxers because the likes of Manny Pacquiao and the ones you named are truly born to be a boxer, it's like fate has already selected them that they will be a legendary boxer once they grew up and achieve a milestone that will separate them from the ordinary boxers. As the cases stated, it is truly difficult to jump from one division to another because in most cases, a boxer can climb the next weight class, but his power and skills won't be going with him. Unlike these legendary boxers, they made it so easy jumping through different weight class while defeating the champions.

Hopefully Casimero and Inoue can go up without any problems at super bantamweight.

We will find out about that soon. Casimero already made the move, Inoue will be up next when he is already finished collecting all the belts in bantamweight.

[stadus]

^ Naoya to 8 div champ. Hard to achieve as the weight gets heavier while he will encounter taller fighters who are used to thier weight division.

Hard to achieve but not really impossible to do and as for Inoue's situation, he is still 29 years young so that gives him plenty of time to become more successful and take some steps that will cement his legacy or that will make him unforgettable in the world of boxing. We don't know what lies ahead, Inoue might fell short in taking Pacquiao's footstep, but he might be the first boxer to be a 2x undisputed title in two separate division in the history.

[serjent05]

But if we talk about Inoue, if he loses to Paul Butler, that wasn't normal lol but I will give a big recognition to Butler for making that successful win. On the other hand, if Butler loses, that's not really a thing that most boxing fans will be surprised as that was expected even before the preparation of this match.

Talking about an upset win, I believe it is also normal in boxing.  So basically, Inoue losing to Butler can be considered an upset win and since upset win in boxing is another normal thing to happen, I can conclude that Inoue losing to Butler is still a normal thing.   I agree that it will greatly boost Butler's reputation if he beats Inoue.

For example, Inoue is dominating his weight division but later he has problem meeting the required maximum weight, so he has to move up in order to maintain a 100% condition during the fight.

Since Inoue is always in 100% health status and a disciplined boxer, I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

I agree, being disciplined is one of the strong points of Inoue.  I haven't heard any news about Inuoe getting a problem with weight so the case scenario I presented is kinda slim to happen.  Slim but not impossible.
Casimero's struggles is a different thing.  Casimero had been struggling to stay on his previous weight division for several times until he was stripped of his title.  I hope Casimero had learned his lesson on that event, but I still blame Casimeros camp for what happened that resulted a title stripped.

[harizen]

and looking at it from a technical point of view, Inoue is very good, but the surprise factor is that which sometimes surprises us and since there is so much money involved, things can change.

What do you mean by "since there's much money involved, things can change?"

And by saying "surprise factor", do you mean Butler can find a hole that can lead to beating Inoue?

Actually, I'm not ruling out that Butler can find an opening to deal a blow on Inoue as of course, it's impossible that he can't land a shot on Inoue. But the problem is, his punching power might not be enough to deal serious damage to Inoue even if he finds an opening.

Moving forward, time flies so fast, and quite surprised here that it's only a few weeks left before the fight will finally take place.

[Kemarit]

I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

Because it is the hardest thing in boxing, the adjustment of weight either above or below your usual weight and still maintain a good body condition is not that easy though. Many struggles on that phase just to make a fight.

True, there are boxers that also struggles when they move up in weight, they seems to look like overweight on the next division. And I guess that's what really separates legendary boxer to just ordinary boxers, because legendary boxers such as Pacquiao, Oscar Dela Hoya and Floyd can go up in weight and somewhat carry their power and win against natural boxers within that weight class. Hopefully Casimero and Inoue can go up without any problems at super bantamweight.

That also separates them from the ordinary boxers because the likes of Manny Pacquiao and the ones you named are truly born to be a boxer, it's like fate has already selected them that they will be a legendary boxer once they grew up and achieve a milestone that will separate them from the ordinary boxers. As the cases stated, it is truly difficult to jump from one division to another because in most cases, a boxer can climb the next weight class, but his power and skills won't be going with him. Unlike these legendary boxers, they made it so easy jumping through different weight class while defeating the champions.

Hopefully Casimero and Inoue can go up without any problems at super bantamweight.

We will find out about that soon. Casimero already made the move, Inoue will be up next when he is already finished collecting all the belts in bantamweight.

Yes, although this is just one jump from their 118 lbs that they supposed to fight, I don't see any problems from this two boxers to make it comfortable as super bantamweight. But as you have said, we will have to fight it out first.

Naoya is going to fight Butler as 118 lbs to unify the belt, yes that is good for us boxing fans. But what we really wanted to see is Naoya jumping to 122 lbs, a new division for him and together with Casimero shake it up a bit and make the division very competitive with those two going up. So it's a win-win for us boxing fans for next year and this division will be watch by experts and casual fans.

[goinmerry]

Naoya is going to fight Butler as 118 lbs to unify the belt, yes that is good for us boxing fans. But what we really wanted to see is Naoya jumping to 122 lbs, a new division for him and together with Casimero shake it up a bit and make the division very competitive with those two going up. So it's a win-win for us boxing fans for next year and this division will be watch by experts and casual fans.

No offense to John Riel Casimero but it's too early to include his name on tough fighters in the Super Bantamweight. Naoya Inoue is ranked no. 5 by the WBO right now in the Super Bantamweight. Akaho is ranked no. 8. That's already a big reason not to mention Casimero for now in the discussion. And likely, if Inoue will move up in that division, he probably ends up being in the top 5 without a sweat with only a few fights before being considered for a title match.

Anyways, super bantamweight rankings are varied for each boxing organization and I'm just giving an example that even though Naoya Inoue is still not moving up, he was already given a ranked no. 5 by the WBO in the super bantamweight. The distance is too far between him and Casimero.

But I hoped Casimero will soon catch up so that their supposed fight against Inoue will be possibly materialized.