1 - The copycat epidemic within crypto casinos.

[crzy]

Most of the gambling site offers the same game from the same provider, this is why most are almost the same.
Most of the gambling site can't offer their own games and that's why they look for a game provider which is also available on many site. Competition will always be tough, it will never be easy and I agree, those who will adopt change have a higher chance to survive while those who don't make any growth on their platform, they will slowly be left behind and will die sooner or later. Adoption is the key here to survive, as well as good innovation.

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[DoublerHunter]

Most of the gambling site offers the same game from the same provider, this is why most are almost the same.
Most of the gambling site can't offer their own games and that's why they look for a game provider which is also available on many site. Competition will always be tough, it will never be easy and I agree, those who will adopt change have a higher chance to survive while those who don't make any growth on their platform, they will slowly be left behind and will die sooner or later. Adoption is the key here to survive, as well as good innovation.

^ You have a point and this was what I thinking of.
Look, if we notice there are too many gambling casinos that accept cryptocurrency from fiat or from offline casinos they are now in online casinos because they know that there is a big potential in the gambling business industry. All kinds of businesses always have competition out there, the good service they have, adopted modern trends, and most of all active customer support.
However, though there is a copycat on each game or a game provider at least there is a innovation of the games that can give attraction to the users

[Eternad]

I don’t understand what’s the issue here. This is business and it’s normal to see a competitor that has same product because that what it means on competing with same business. You can see this kind of thing on other business industry like gadgets, appliances and other products which big companies releasing same item type with just different brand.

There’s no patent on the casino website and also bunch of same casino existing means the crypto casino market is growing. I don’t see the point on observing there similarities because it’s obvious that they are just competing to each other and that’s how business works. You can’t monopolize all the players on playing on a single casino without a competitor that offers same product.

[goldkingcoiner]

TL;DR - if you want to go up against the king, you should probably be better than them in some way.

I completely agree that copycat online gambling casinos are lazy and they do not spark the confidence of the person who wishes to deposit their funds on such a unprofessional website. But as far as Stake.com goes, it does have the exact opposite effect. Everyone copying them means they have built quite the decent website.

Many of the new copycats are understandable. They are new businesses with low capital so they cannot afford anything fancy, just yet.

It would be bad for them if they were victim to an exploit. Using a stable build might be better until they learn more about how to run a casino.

[ralle14]

I agree with the OP, it's always great to see new casinos thrive, I remember the time when nitrogensports was the only big sportsbook back then and only a few gambling sites could keep up with the quality of their sportsbook, unlike today where we have so many good sportsbooks.

I also like what UserU mentioned about casinos having their own specific strength like promotions or rewards since the same thing goes for sportsbooks as you'll sometimes see other sportsbooks focus on providing the best odds instead of the promotions.

[dothebeats]

If something is proven working, why try to deviate from it anyway? I guess that's what new casino owners are trying to do when they are copying other casino's template and just changing some design elements to make it look like they are their own brand. Little do they know that they'll just constantly live behind the shadow of the platform that they took their design from, and may even be a reason why people will leave them in the end. It's about who set the standard first and who established what in this space. Maybe that's why Stake.com isn't really bothering about a lot of platforms copying them; it's because they know that people know the difference and at the end of the day, people will still choose them over any other copy cats in the space.

[Mahdirakib]

There is a open secret behind the success of Stake in crypto gambling industry, you haven't mentioned it in your post. And the open secret is "Primedice"
Gamblers had trust on Stake from the start as they have arrived with the touch of an established and reputable dice gambling site. The team had enough funds to start their business. They proceed big withdrawals quickly since the beginning. They are aslo giving huge bonuses to their users. If we see the collection of games, then Stake has everything you need. I'm a regular player of Stake since the start of 2018. So, I know that how Stake.com has come to this position gradually.

Some other casino has gained the success within last two years by brining something unique features. You have mentioned about Rollbit features in your post. In the same way, some casinos offering staking feature which helped them to attract many gamblers.
@ndumm, if you want to bring a casino to compete with the popular & established casinos, then you have to provide all best services. If you want to be the best one, then forget about it

[noormcs5]

Some other casino has gained the success within last two years by brining something unique features. You have mentioned about Rollbit features in your post. In the same way, some casinos offering staking feature which helped them to attract many gamblers.
@ndumm, if you want to bring a casino to compete with the popular & established casinos, then you have to provide all best services. If you want to be the best one, then forget about it

A casino can copy the design and looks but it cannot copy the high standards provided by one casino. If the copycat casino needs to survive, they have to produce the same quality otherwise they will just fade away and no one will play at the casino. Yes, if the casino copies everything which trusted casino has, then of course it good for gamblers as more the competition between the casinos, the better it is for the gamblers themselves.

[TimeTeller]

Some other casino has gained the success within last two years by brining something unique features. You have mentioned about Rollbit features in your post. In the same way, some casinos offering staking feature which helped them to attract many gamblers.
@ndumm, if you want to bring a casino to compete with the popular & established casinos, then you have to provide all best services. If you want to be the best one, then forget about it

A casino can copy the design and looks but it cannot copy the high standards provided by one casino. If the copycat casino needs to survive, they have to produce the same quality otherwise they will just fade away and no one will play at the casino. Yes, if the casino copies everything which trusted casino has, then of course it good for gamblers as more the competition between the casinos, the better it is for the gamblers themselves.

Competition is always welcome in any industry. So this is a good one also among gambling sites.
People may take a look at the new casino, but they will test it how trustworthy it is at all aspects.
Can they provide a reliable customer support who can satisfactorily address each player's issues?
Or will there be no withdrawal issues, when it comes to big winnings? So just few things we need to look at.
Credibility is built thru time, so we can't judge them early. Let us welcome them and see where they will be headed at.

[Daltonik]

It is not necessary to copy using a recognizable design from a trustworthy casino, unless you are going to engage in deception, it is enough to take a working concept and add your own unique features that will be appreciated by users, which will ultimately help to compete in the gambling market.

[dothebeats]

There is a open secret behind the success of Stake in crypto gambling industry, you haven't mentioned it in your post. And the open secret is "Primedice"
Gamblers had trust on Stake from the start as they have arrived with the touch of an established and reputable dice gambling site. The team had enough funds to start their business. They proceed big withdrawals quickly since the beginning. They are aslo giving huge bonuses to their users. If we see the collection of games, then Stake has everything you need. I'm a regular player of Stake since the start of 2018. So, I know that how Stake.com has come to this position gradually.

Some other casino has gained the success within last two years by brining something unique features. You have mentioned about Rollbit features in your post. In the same way, some casinos offering staking feature which helped them to attract many gamblers.
@ndumm, if you want to bring a casino to compete with the popular & established casinos, then you have to provide all best services. If you want to be the best one, then forget about it

New gamblers may not even know the reputation of Primedice when Stake was dropped. I guess you can also say that the marketing team of Stake is clever enough to bring in a lot of elements on their announcement here in bitcointalk to make the ANN thread lively. Of course the old heads and the reputable community members helped Stake gain traction on its initial days, but onboarding new players over the years is a genius of the marketing team that we fail to recognize. If we only have the old players playing at Stake for so long, it will not be as successful as it is today.

[Docnaster]

There will be similarities since most crypto casinos offer almost the same games. There is almost the same feature as well so the competition is too high. Copycats would be everywhere since their main focus is to attract and gain more players and we can't get rid of that. I think the main thing that would differ is their reputation and services rhat could provide to their customers and players. Those things couldn't be copied easily because it needs to be put and built up in time. Games and features will be nothing despite their qualities if a casino site can't offer a promising service.

There is similarities everywhere,  and there is hardly any new idea, one originates from another. But any good casino must find a way to difer from others and not to copy everything. Then it doesn't matter how large any casino copies the other but we know the reputable ones and funny enough reputations can't be copied.

[Fortify]

This is one of potentially a series of posts I'll be making for Bitcointalk on the crypto casino industry, how I see things playing out, and where we go from here.

TL;DR - if you want to go up against the king, you should probably be better than them in some way.

Full disclaimer ahead of time: my team and I are in the process of building a crypto casino. Most of us are relatively new entrants to this particular space; our expertise lies in crypto, influencers and sportsbooks which all have aspects of similarity but I fully acknowledge there are some industry specific details that I may be overlooking.


For the past few months, I’ve been keeping a very close eye on crypto casinos. Very rarely will a new platform or feature come out that we didn’t have some idea of ahead of time, and I could probably name every single platform worth knowing and their full feature set with my eyes closed. Through this obsession, it’s become extremely apparent that differentiation is a massive missing piece in the crypto casino puzzle.

To give context as to why this is occurring, this is an industry where taking risks can be difficult. A lot of people will comment on regulation within the space, but there are still frameworks that need to be abided by - these frameworks affect what products you can offer, who you can offer to, and various details around accepting funds. As well as that, a lot of the times you really don’t need to differentiate to produce decent revenue. Gamdom and Duelbits are good examples of this. It’s hard to point to any degree of actual differentiation, yet they’re still making a considerable amount of money (from what we’ve observed).

To some degree, benefit of the doubt can be awarded to a few competitors who are trying various things but retain similarity to Stake. Rollbit seem like they’re trying to pivot more to short-dated, highly leveraged crypto derivatives, and their NFT jackpot and Rollbot schemes are interesting at the very least. BC.Game do a lot, they’re targeting a very specific audience and seem to be doing very well at that.

In saying that, some things cannot be excused. An easy example is Punt.com - I’m not going to rip into them too hard, but calling that anything other than a carbon copy of Stake is insane. Punt has claimed to have guidance from their ‘close friend’ Eddie at Stake, but to some extent I doubt the validity of that. Another example is Slotella; all you need to do is look at their logo.

Stake does a lot of things well, and they’re not the biggest in the market for no reason. Making ‘provably fair’ the standard for house games, the design of their gamecards (props to whoever came up with that Stunna), a simple but thoughtful interface. Stake have built a very good basis for inspiration that I can’t fault people for modelling their own sites off - however if it’s anything but inspiration, there’s really not a tonne of respect you can give.

At the end of the day, real competition is good for the space. Whilst it might be hard to imagine for those of you who have been gambling and posting here since 2016 or earlier, we are still extremely early in terms of the evolution of this industry. Exciting things are happening within tech, crypto and the internet as a whole, and it seems like that hasn't fully converted to gambling just yet - a big reason is due to the lack of actual competition. Competition forces companies to either change or risk being left behind. Those that build, keep up and grow; those that copy slowly die out. We'll soon see which is which.

2023 is the year of S______.com.

They do say that imitation is the best form of flattery, but in reality casinos are a financial business and where there is a lot of money at stake then a working business model will get copied because it will be profitable. Relatively few people have the monetary resources and connections required to launch a casino, it is fraught with all sorts of hidden risks as well - so it's understandable that few new ones last the long term. You need deep pockets to make it through the setup stage and then hope to continuously grow with different forms of advertising. Security is also going to be a huge cost, both maintaining the integrity of your scripts and also keeping attackers at bay who will happily DDOS you all day to seek a ransom.

[STT]

I like the casino where you can change the background colour to anything you like, I forgot which one that is but it was highly customizable.  There is some argument for saying clones with slight variations could be reasonable in not wanting to break what isnt broken and some little change like colour, shading or picture could be all it takes to spark interest from people over another similar casino.   Sometimes people like the feel even if the structure or engine underneath is the same and I think thats part of the industry that at some things are modular and purposely reused.

[rdluffy]

@ndumm, with this commentary now I'm very curious about your work on next casino website

It's not only casinos, but all over the internet you can find lots of similar patterns, design, colors, styles...
Years before, we had to make all from scratch, like HTML, CSS, pure javascript, PHP, etc, but now everything is working together with framework and tools to facilitate.
You can say there's a lot of copycats, or you can say people with less knowledge can create a service and focus on content instead of being stuck.

I'm posting here not to just comment something, but a few years ago I remember posting here about my idea and this idea was a casino website.
It was different, nobody did the same as my idea, I have here with me documented, but I remember I gave up due to two mais reasons:
1 - lack of regulation in my country
2 - lack of my knowledge in programming

Today I see a lot of services / tools that facilitate the work of people, but the ideal is to get something working, well stabilzed to start and you can slowly focus on content and put your style.
I tried several online casinos and I know it's hard to make something original, casinos are dealing with money and the math / programming / fairness / security need to be almost perfect, so I don't see as a bad thing the fact that people is using the same patterns.
At the end, users will dictate the trends, a good service will probably thrive even being a copycat if this service is good, honest, with marketing and good games.

Keep us updated, just be careful to do a lot of hype because it's hard to achieve in the end.

[Yogee]

...Some do try to reinvent the wheel but without sustainable income, they ultimately collapse. If players are ripping the site from left to right, it's all useless.

"Do not fix what's not broken" as the saying goes.

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Innovation is good but be careful not to tweak built systems that's been proven to be effective in an attempt to standout from the rest of the competition.

This innovation thing to be relevant is present in every industry. You can see them in brick and mortar businesses and in the crypto industry as well.

[Slow death]

the truth is that in recent years many new casinos have been appearing but almost all of them are the same, they just change the design and do not innovate and do not offer more things that the competition does not offer, that is, people (customers in this case) are just choosing casinos based on trust (of course that should be the main requirement for choosing a casino) but they don't choose the casino because they saw some function better than other casinos. maybe it's because the market is saturated that new casinos can't afford to innovate a lot, otherwise they'll have to spend more money and have no return, or because they don't have anything to innovate, it may also be possible. with this KYC issue then everything got worse, most new casinos are simply copy/paste of everything that they cannot even innovate in this KYC issue, just go to the TOS and the person soon realizes that it is the same TOS of many casinos

[PX-Z]

If you're the king everything will look upon you, make you as their inspiration, reference, and etc. That's how the world works in any industry, cars, motorcycles, smartphones, TV's, websites almost any industry where technology can be applied. That's why you can see those tech have almost the same look may only vary their colors, sizes, etc.

There will be some filling of cases in the court due to plagiarism/copycats in the early stage when small companies try to level up and end up copying the king.

As long as the king have their unique feature or their flagship he will not be threatened and will welcome any kind of competitors.

In gambling or say casino, have almost the same kind of features and look. The king will only be threatened if some of its pawns gather and influence the people working on the king and make their own empire.
But how? Of course some gimmick and promises. This when marketing, customer service, prices, games, etc. comes to compete the reign and may take times to take over what the king has.

[Lanatsa]

the truth is that in recent years many new casinos have been appearing but almost all of them are the same, they just change the design and do not innovate and do not offer more things that the competition does not offer, that is, people (customers in this case) are just choosing casinos based on trust (of course that should be the main requirement for choosing a casino) but they don't choose the casino because they saw some function better than other casinos. maybe it's because the market is saturated that new casinos can't afford to innovate a lot, otherwise they'll have to spend more money and have no return, or because they don't have anything to innovate, it may also be possible. with this KYC issue then everything got worse, most new casinos are simply copy/paste of everything that they cannot even innovate in this KYC issue, just go to the TOS and the person soon realizes that it is the same TOS of many casinos

I could say that it is indeed already that saturated and we dont really love to have lots even though the more the better option we do have but seeing offering on the same things all over again and again then this

is we could really say that having lots wont really be necessary.We would really be needing to see something new into this market which hadnt been offered before and thats what make things interesting

but currently we are seeing the same offering all over again and just said that there are changes on design but when it comes to games then it is indeed just the same.

[AmoreJaz]

...Some do try to reinvent the wheel but without sustainable income, they ultimately collapse. If players are ripping the site from left to right, it's all useless.

"Do not fix what's not broken" as the saying goes.

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Innovation is good but be careful not to tweak built systems that's been proven to be effective in an attempt to standout from the rest of the competition.

This innovation thing to be relevant is present in every industry. You can see them in brick and mortar businesses and in the crypto industry as well.

anyone can set-up their own site, however, not many can sustain and maintain their presence in the market. this is an open industry where everyone is free to do their own business. but the question is, can they survive in this competitive market? starting in any business is a very challenging period. it will give you an idea if they can make it or not. no need to reinvent the wheel, but how can you catch the interest of your potential players?