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August 30, 2022, 02:30:52 AM Last edit: August 30, 2022, 04:03:06 AM by Sarah Azhari |
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This is tutorial for anyone who doesn't have money to pay a fee, or has broken because of inflation, war, and covid-19. i know only 1 mixer here where enough credible and trust, chipmixer. Due to recent events, I used TOR atm, http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion/Step 1, clicking star mixer and solving the captcha, don't forget to save the session on a notepad or bookmark it on the browser. Step 2 is click deposit, this time I tried to deposit 0.002 BTC, but for sure to read all noted below if you want not lose the units: Minimum amount is 0.001 BTC with 0.001 BTC increments. Depositing 1.2345 BTC will result with 1.234 BTC funds. Depositing 0.1249 BTC will result with 0.124 BTC funds. Depositing 0.1240 BTC will result with 0.124 BTC funds. For transactions under 20 BTC we require 1 confirmation. For higher amounts we require 6 confirmations.
Step 3 After deposit and got confirmed, you will be able to step 2, in this moment because have a small deposit, 0.002, I am able to withdraw all chip with free Step 4 on the step 3 page I got a private key which I can import to electrum wallet. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.im.ge%2F2022%2F08%2F30%2FOyCEtr.mix3.png&t=665&c=caFs4lQfIxCXKw) after importing, my electrum wallet showed full 0.002 BTC in new address. this means my BTC is mixed and free. Step 5 on next step, I have to destroy the session. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.im.ge%2F2022%2F08%2F30%2FOyCCqm.mix4.png&t=665&c=_9uVrbCfd2nTSA) everything is done in only 15 minutes. if anyone is still confused about how to mix with free, don't be shy to write in comment
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August 30, 2022, 02:36:39 AM |
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PSA: Do not randomly click an onion link online. It's very hard to memorize it, so checking for its legitimacy is hard. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Instead, go to ChipMixer's official website and grab the link from there. Then bookmark it on your browser. chipmixer.com < if it's not .com, then it's a scam!
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FjWPPPLH%2Fyuyuyu.png&t=665&c=XUxLSkgSIXnsEg) interesting tutorial . but when i access the link you provided, i get a warning like that. i already use DNS 1.1.1.1 for the private connection that the website asks for. so i don't continue.
underline the nominal you mention in the code maybe it's Apy? I will also look for official info as Try Ninja said, I think what he said, I think is more secure and very reasonable. you can add in your thread.
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Sarah Azhari (OP)
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August 30, 2022, 03:57:26 AM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FjWPPPLH%2Fyuyuyu.png&t=665&c=XUxLSkgSIXnsEg) interesting tutorial . but when i access the link you provided, i get a warning like that. i already use DNS 1.1.1.1 for the private connection that the website asks for. so i don't continue. this link for TOR browser I think what he said, I think is more secure and very reasonable. you can add in your thread.
I was add on thread : http://chipmixorflykuxu56uxy7gf5o6ggig7xru7dnihc4fm4cxqsc63e6id.onion/what other link should i add?, I have mentioned all threads, Due to recent events chipmixer.com is unavailable to access.
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August 30, 2022, 05:51:53 AM |
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Your tutorial could have been expressed in one sentence: in order to save on mixing fees, you need to make a deposit proportional to a minimum chip size, which is 0.001 BTC. Something like that is already written in plain English in their FAQ: Minimum deposit is 0.001 BTC - lowest chip size. If you deposit less then you have to deposit missing amount to receive a chip. Second minimum deposit is 0.002 BTC. If you deposit between 0.001 and 0.002 BTC you will receive only 1 mBTC chip and rest will be autodonated.
So, to avoid part of your funds getting "autodonated" to Chipmixer, you will want to send exact amounts, nothing more, nothing less. However, the problem with this reasoning is that for this saving strategy to work, you need to have prepared UTXOs which will be slightly bigger than the size of a typical chip. Upon preparing these specific UTXOs, you inevitably create "toxic" change, which, if combined with your mixed funds, may destroy your privacy. The goal of a mixing process is to enhance privacy by getting rid of these toxic leftovers, but when you try not to pay additional fees to Chipmixer, you only make things worse by creating dozens of undesirable outputs. Don't do that on purpose unless you fully understand the possible implications.
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I heard that Chip Mixer doesn't charge you a fee, just whatever you want to donate. I would recommend everyone not to donate anything only if they are really broke. Firstly out of honesty, and secondly because otherwise, if everyone did the same, the business would eventually have to close down.
But looking at the years the mixer has been running well and advertising on the forum, I think there are enough generous people to keep the business going and make a profit.
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August 30, 2022, 07:44:27 AM |
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Chipmixer is the best Bitcoin mixer but is not the only mixer on Earth. 2022 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers WebsitesMoreover, you can read the guide from theymos, [Guide] Decent mixing methods. Honestly if you use a non custodial wallets and don't have Bitcoin from illegal sources or you don't want to avoid tax ie., you don't have to seriously use mixer service.
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Chipmixer is the best Bitcoin mixer but is not the only mixer on Earth.
It depends on what is called best, anything centralized to some people are not seen as the best, Chipmixer is centralized. You are not wrong, Chipmixer is not the only mixer on earth, it is even not only the centralized mixers on earth. But among the centralized mixer, Chipmixer is the best, you are right. This has been the best guide on this forum about bitcoin mixers, if I should have to go for the best option, I would prefer to go for converting bitcoin to monero, then converting the monero back to bitcoin on a decentralized exchange like bisq. Honestly if you use a non custodial wallets and don't have Bitcoin from illegal sources or you don't want to avoid tax ie., you don't have to seriously use mixer service.
Some people are making use of exchanges, they may also due to some privacy reasons prefer to use a mixer before finally moving the bitcoin to a noncustodial wallet addresses. Also it can be used because of some other privacy reasons like after consolidating many inputs.
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August 30, 2022, 09:53:27 AM |
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I would put the ANN from bitcointalk: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinventedand tell people also look for link and news in there. The ANN is updated and always has the correct link(s). Also it's more credible to see the link posted by an user called ChipMixer, than Sarah Azhari (no offense, just think from a complete newcomer's point of view).
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I heard that Chip Mixer doesn't charge you a fee, just whatever you want to donate. I would recommend everyone not to donate anything only if they are really broke. Firstly out of honesty, and secondly because otherwise, if everyone did the same, the business would eventually have to close down. It's also worth pointing out that donating increases your privacy. If you deposit an exact amount and then withdraw the same exact amount, then you have lowered your anonymity set. If you deposit an amount, donate some of it, and then withdraw a different amount, you have a much larger anonymity set. Honestly if you use a non custodial wallets and don't have Bitcoin from illegal sources or you don't want to avoid tax ie., you don't have to seriously use mixer service. Implying that the only people who use mixers are doing something illegal, which isn't true. We've know for years that a very small minority of coins which are mixed are linked to illegal activity, and by far the largest source of coins entering mixers are directly from centralized exchanges - i.e. people simply looking to regain some privacy from the ever increasing surveillance conducting by centralized exchanges and their blockchain analysis partners.
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The ANN is updated and always has the correct link(s). Also it's more credible to see the link posted by an user called ChipMixer, than Sarah Azhari (no offense, just think from a complete newcomer's point of view).
I've never come to see these threads too. where did I get that link? from chipmixer participants (on specific letter - PRIVACY # ChipMixer )...
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The ANN is updated and always has the correct link(s). Also it's more credible to see the link posted by an user called ChipMixer, than Sarah Azhari (no offense, just think from a complete newcomer's point of view).
I've never come to see these threads too. where did I get that link? from chipmixer participants (on specific letter - PRIVACY # ChipMixer )... Too bad. An user may want to help you or may have other ideas, even advertising malicious links. While in many cases such posts do get removed, I would not take chances. I recommend searching for topics with +ANN +ChipMixer (eg: https://ninjastic.space/search?title=%2BANN+%2BChipMixer ) or look into Service Announcements board. Of course, after finding the right topic, especially if you use a search engine, you'll have to go to the first post of the topic for the links and possibly to the end for news/happenings.
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August 30, 2022, 01:28:33 PM |
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Implying that the only people who use mixers are doing something illegal, which isn't true.
I did not imply only. I wrote ie. but your point is true. Mixers are available for everyone to use just like Bitcoin is for the 100% to use it in the way and with the method they want. Before making a deposit from mixed coins, people must do research about rules about mixer, AML, etc. in ToS of that service. If they have rules against coin mixing, don't make deposit with mixed coins, you will take more risk by doing it.
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I did not imply only. I wrote ie.
i.e. comes from the Latin id est, which means that is, or meaning, or in other words ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) So maybe you want to change from ie to eg (which means for example)
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Before making a deposit from mixed coins, people must do research about rules about mixer, AML, etc. in ToS of that service. If they have rules against coin mixing, don't make deposit with mixed coins, you will take more risk by doing it.
Even without stating the rules in ToS, it is what regulators wants, they will surely support the exchange from seizing a mixed coin, the exchange will ask for KYC which is mandatory, or the exchange will permanently freeze the account. It is better to just be careful, this is what I can not read about exchanges, they freeze coin while regulators supports that, be it in ToS or not, but I expect it to be included in ToS. I have noticed that coins from decentralized mixers are the ones that are often seized.
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i know only 1 mixer here where enough credible and trust, chipmixer.
To avoid confusion from some people, you should add in your tutorial that different browser should be downloaded and installed for using onion links. First option is Tor browser and alternative is using Brave browser that can open onion links in separate page. To avoid getting scammed it's best to visit original Chipmixer.com website and bookmark both that and onion link posted on that page.
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i.e. comes from the Latin id est, which means that is, or meaning, or in other words ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) So maybe you want to change from ie to eg (which means for example) I misremembered their meanings. Thank you. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Even without stating the rules in ToS, it is what regulators wants, they will surely support the exchange from seizing a mixed coin, the exchange will ask for KYC which is mandatory, or the exchange will permanently freeze the account.
Regulations on crypto industry are still not strict enough and there are holes for exchanges to pull their shady cards to suspend, freeze user accounts. If you don't want to suddenly have unexpected accidental issues with your account (and money), just don't use mixers if you don't have solid reasons to use them. It is better to just be careful, this is what I can not read about exchanges, they freeze coin while regulators supports that, be it in ToS or not, but I expect it to be included in ToS. I have noticed that coins from decentralized mixers are the ones that are often seized.
Prevention is better than cure. Good platforms will be transparent with their ToS and ToS updates but you won't have it from scam platforms. Before they scam, sometimes you don't have signals of their scam.
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Regulations on crypto industry are still not strict enough and there are holes for exchanges to pull their shady cards to suspend, freeze user accounts. The regulations on the crypto industry are exactly the reason why centralized exchanges pull shady moves and freeze or suspend accounts - because they know the government is breathing down their neck at all times so they have to spy on all their users and freeze anything in the least bit suspicious. If you want even stricter regulations then expect even more accounts being frozen, not fewer. If you don't want to suddenly have unexpected accidental issues with your account (and money), just don't use mixers if you don't have solid reasons to use them. Here's an analogy: I am a merchant. You want to buy some things from me. You try to pay with cash. I say "I cannot see the full history of this cash, so I refuse your money". So instead, you tap your debit card. I say "I cannot accept this money without knowing the full history of it". I demand access to your bank account so I can see where all your money comes from. You leave and come back with your bank statements, but I don't like what I see, so I refuse payment. You then try to pay with PayPal. I demand access to your PayPal account so I can see where all your money comes from. You unlock your PayPal account on your phone and hand it over for me to look at. This PayPal money looks OK to me, so I accept it. You then leave the shop and start telling all your friends "Make sure when you shop there you have all your bank statements with you so the merchant can look at them, and make sure none of your money comes from anywhere except your employer, since they can't trace those funds." Your friends all look at you like you are crazy, and then simply choose to shop with the merchant next door who doesn't do any of this nonsense. Whenever this situation comes up, with the discussion of centralized exchanges and privacy, it always seems that the default position is "Sacrifice all your privacy and let people spy on you so that you can use a centralized exchange". In any other financial situation that would be seen as utterly crazy, as I've just shown above, but for some reason with bitcoin people just accept this nonsense? The problem here is not mixers, or coinjoins, or Monero, or any other privacy technique - the problem here is centralized exchanges. If you don't want a centralized exchange to seize your coins, then don't use a centralized exchange. There are plenty of decentralized exchanges to choose from. The logical position when faced with entities which are stealing coins is not "I should bend over backwards and sacrifice everything to hopefully mean they don't steal my coins!", but rather to simply not use the entity which is stealing coins. Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked.
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The ANN is updated and always has the correct link(s). Also it's more credible to see the link posted by an user called ChipMixer, than Sarah Azhari (no offense, just think from a complete newcomer's point of view).
I've never come to see these threads too. where did I get that link? from chipmixer participants (on specific letter - PRIVACY # ChipMixer )... When you open the CM website, there is listed the .onion address. Currently only uses the Tor network. Apart from bookmarking the link, there are several other suggestions. They refer to their announcement thread link on Bitcointalk ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.0). My advice, include the link as well because they announce updated information and links there too, e.g.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.msg60724300#msg60724300.
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Regulations on crypto industry are still not strict enough and there are holes for exchanges to pull their shady cards to suspend, freeze user accounts. The regulations on the crypto industry are exactly the reason why centralized exchanges pull shady moves and freeze or suspend accounts - because they know the government is breathing down their neck at all times so they have to spy on all their users and freeze anything in the least bit suspicious. If you want even stricter regulations then expect even more accounts being frozen, not fewer. I understood but it seems you misunderstood my point by which I meant because of not too strict regulations in crypto, crypto exchanges feel like they can do shady activities against their users without fear to be fined by governments. There are two sides always, stricter regulations will reduce scam exchanges but it will bring both advantages and disadvantages for cryptocurrency users.
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