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September 14, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
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Everyone's strategy is going to be different because of many many reasons.

But how does it fit into your portfolio? Are you taking profits and moving it to other sectors? Are you shaving some profits into metals? Bonds / TIPS?  Real estate?

IMHO BTC tracks stocks to close to call it diversified in my minds eye but do you have stocks? Maybe into a ROTH IRA or traditional (tax deduction).

How does BTC play into your balance or diversification?

What does your pie chart look like?
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IMHO BTC tracks stocks to close to call it diversified in my minds eye but do you have stocks? Maybe into a ROTH IRA or traditional (tax deduction).

It sometimes does follow the US stock market's movement — but if you zoom out, not that much.

Personally though: 70% crypto(like 60%+ BTC depending on the circumstances), 30% stocks. (not including cash). I'm able to take these risks simply because I don't have children(nor a wife) yet. But, I slowly but surely move out of crypto down to probably 30% at some time as I grow older.

Also, I have small businesses that earn me money semi-passively, so there's that.

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I used to have one, and I tried that thing about not putting all eggs into one basket because it sounded like it made sense. After a few not-that-great altcoin investments, I decided it's not for me. As for markets beyond cryptos, they were never of interest to me, so it would take a lot of time and effort to even explore them and how the work before choosing what to invest in. I am fine with Bitcoin. Yes, it goes down often, sometimes even by quite a lot. But I have enough confidence that it will rise again and that it will recover no matter what, so I can just wait it out. I don't think I'd be as confident in metals or something else. So my pie chart would have one colour because it's all Bitcoin (aside from some fiat savings I sometimes have, but this isn't an investment, so I don't count it).

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September 14, 2022, 04:27:01 PM
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I don't have any carved in stone investment diversification strategy, though like most people that are passionate about bitcoin, it holds the largest percentage of my investment, one thing i don't do is diversify in crypto, anybody doing that should understand they are not diversifying, so personally what i do is just buy bitcoin and then i try to find something outside of cryptocurrency to put my money into, it could be something traditional, or it could be new, i do not limit myself with that.

I do have physical investments or you could call it businesses which i think is like a must for anybody that has the capital and time to run it. I feel the best way to go about it is to have multiple sources of income, without investing more than you can afford to lose in most of them, so should there be a mishap somewhere, you'd have a plan B.

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September 14, 2022, 04:44:31 PM
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id suggest do not invest in PoS coins. they have no backed underlying cost in their production. their market price is propped up purely by speculation of human decision on what people think they could/should pay/sell for
(trade (in-out quit deals.. but dont invest(hoard/hold))

asset with a underlying cost of production has a world wide base "bottom" no one is stupid to sell below. the price speculation above that is then the variable of different peoples costs or motivations.

only buy assets on their LOW

work out the most efficient cost on the planet to acquire that asset by any means available

EG if its gold. imagine the costs of mining it and working out the land lease costs of the plausible cheapest leasing costs, lowest labour, efficient sluice machines and diesel and how much a season cost is.. and the average gold yield mining produces. and calculate that bottom rate.

then look at the market and see if the market price is high at a premium far from that base. or if its at a low close to that bottom value

EG if the gold current "bottom" is $900
if historic market top is $2000.. and the current price is $1700
then put it into a visual form
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you soon see its probably time to sell some gold and buy some bitcoin
where you start to see how much gold to have vs how much bitcoin to have. which on those 2 gauges show to be very very much in on bitcoin right now.
if there were multiple good assets with all being in the good green zone then you would split your wealth over more of those good guages

in short.. work out the markets underlying costs and the market window of speculation and where he price sits in that window.
and if your current portfolio shows you are holding during a high. take a bit out of that and put into something on a low

emphasis buy the lows, sell at a profit.
dont buy into things with no underlying costs that are pure speculative. and unsupported. especially dont buy into projects that have no real utility in the real world

I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.
Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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September 14, 2022, 06:31:58 PM
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But how does it fit into your portfolio? Are you taking profits and moving it to other sectors? Are you shaving some profits into metals? Bonds / TIPS?  Real estate?

IMHO BTC tracks stocks to close to call it diversified in my minds eye but do you have stocks? Maybe into a ROTH IRA or traditional (tax deduction).

How does BTC play into your balance or diversification?

What does your pie chart look like?

Bitcoin is a large part of my investment portfolio, but mostly because of it's extreme performance.  I have taken profits over the years and purchased debt free real estate as well as stocks.  While I have most of my stocks in a typical brokerage account, I do try to max out my Roth IRA annually as well.  I don't hold any bonds because inflation would leave them with negative real returns, but I do own a lot of VTI (total market fund) and some other great individual stocks like O, JNJ, etc... 

I think a good goal would be to have your funds diversified, but I tend to think that the ultimate goal would be to hold enough stock to enable you to live well on the funds while still being able to accumulate more assets.

Most importantly though, I hold assets I believe in that do good for the world and will stick around a long time.

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OP, first, I think this thread should be in the trading discussion board and not here in bitcoin discussion, this is because diversification has more to do with trading than it has to do with bitcoin, even though bitcoin can be diversified.

Secondly, to contribute to the discussion, while i can honestly say that I have most of my investments in crypto(bitcoin included), I have part of my investment portfolio in real estate, I also have a small supermarket business which I invest money in.

This are the three sectors I (for now) can boldly say that I have diversified with.

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As a financial advisor this is something that I discuss on a daily basis.  Diversification is extremely important, and I see far too many people not being so.  Bitcoin does unfortunately move too much with the stock market right now, but that doesn't mean either one is a replacement for the other.  Having both still offers a level of diversification. 

A proper portfolio diversification set up all depends on ones situation, net worth etc.  Stocks, precious metals, mutual funds/ETFs, alternative investments like equity linked notes, real estate, cryptocurrency etc are all things to choose from, and how much of each all depends on a number of factors.

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September 14, 2022, 06:50:46 PM
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How does BTC play into your balance or diversification?

What does your pie chart look like?
My portfolio is composed of btc, a few alts and real world assets like real estate. BTC and real estate share almost the same amount in my pie chart.
But, btc is more having in terms of value because it's just down these days because of the market situation but during the bull run, it's like 4x-5x more than the real estate that I've got.

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September 14, 2022, 08:48:35 PM
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For me my total investment is bitcoin, I don't have any other liquid asset at the moment, but for a very small amount of ETH.
I'd say I have close to 94% in BTC, 1% in ETH, 1% in physical gold and 4% fiat money. I don't own any stocks, don't have time to play with those. I rather buy real estate and improve the ones that I have to make them more valuable.

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I used to have one, and I tried that thing about not putting all eggs into one basket because it sounded like it made sense. After a few not-that-great altcoin investments, I decided it's not for me. As for markets beyond cryptos, they were never of interest to me, so it would take a lot of time and effort to even explore them and how the work before choosing what to invest in. I am fine with Bitcoin. Yes, it goes down often, sometimes even by quite a lot. But I have enough confidence that it will rise again and that it will recover no matter what, so I can just wait it out. I don't think I'd be as confident in metals or something else. So my pie chart would have one colour because it's all Bitcoin (aside from some fiat savings I sometimes have, but this isn't an investment, so I don't count it).
Diversification is good but somehow you should also make sure that you are investing in the right coins, otherwise all your investments will never give you profits because you end up in wrong coins to invest. The reason why people still only focus on the most promising and reputable coin in the market which is bitcoin. Atleast you know that no matter how low its price falls, it won’t settle on any low value but always manage to recover and surge again until it reaches a new all time high.

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September 14, 2022, 09:37:25 PM
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OP, first, I think this thread should be in the trading discussion board and not here in bitcoin discussion, this is because diversification has more to do with trading than it has to do with bitcoin, even though bitcoin can be diversified.

Secondly, to contribute to the discussion, while i can honestly say that I have most of my investments in crypto(bitcoin included), I have part of my investment portfolio in real estate, I also have a small supermarket business which I invest money in.

This are the three sectors I (for now) can boldly say that I have diversified with.
I guess diversifying your investments will always be profitable as long as your investments or businesses meet the demands of the clients or customers. That way, you won’t have to worry for their future. For me, while I’m into crypto investments which is more focused on bitcoin, I also invest in a small business near our place which   is also giving me additional income right now. But I know for some, diversification not work so they end up investing in bitcoin alone which I think is also a smart and wise idea.

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I don't have any carved in stone investment diversification strategy, though like most people that are passionate about bitcoin, it holds the largest percentage of my investment, one thing i don't do is diversify in crypto, anybody doing that should understand they are not diversifying, so personally what i do is just buy bitcoin and then i try to find something outside of cryptocurrency to put my money into, it could be something traditional, or it could be new, i do not limit myself with that.


This is a clear cut understanding. I have had experience with altcoins and I know how it works. I will not call investment into altcoins a diversification because the altcoins follow the bitcoin movement. When btc is green, other coins will green, when btc is red, other coins will red also.

I personally doesn't like traditional investments and I had a bad experience with stocks. All my investments is in btc and I am comfortable with it.

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September 14, 2022, 09:58:58 PM
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When I saw this thread I thought it would be another one of those "you need to buy altcoins to diversify your bitcoin" threads. This is an improvement OP! Buying stocks is, contrary to buying altcoins, a real diversification.


That said, I don't have a diversification strategy, I'm all in bitcoin.
My chart would look like this:
80% bitcoin
5% money in the bank in various currencies
15% cash.
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My diversification is distributed across a few sectors I think could be important in the future. Somewhat like the following.

Agriculture
The value of plants and trees could rise significantly if food shortages hit in earnest. I've invested a little in plant HODL both as a potential food source and investment for the future. Also I spent time learning about agricultural processes, gaining experience in growing and maintaining things.

Metals
If fuel prices continue to rise and the shipping industry continues to experience issues. The price of commodities like metal should rise locally. I have tried to do very small scale metals and commodities HODL. There are local scrap markets that deal in scrap copper, steel, aluminum, etc. Depending on the area and availability of scrap. It could be a decent future investment.

Manufacturing
If supply chains and related issues persist. A transition towards DIY and local manufacturing could increase due to rising demand. Things like 3d printers could be useful in the future. As well as the knowledge and skillset necessary to use that type of equipment. I have CNC equipment that I use and plan to acquire more in the future. I'm also learning more about concrete and other basic process.

It may not be difficult to see which direction future trends are taking us.

Being an early adopter could still be a thing for those who get in early to leverage shifts in markets.

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When I saw this thread I thought it would be another one of those "you need to buy altcoins to diversify your bitcoin" threads. This is an improvement OP! Buying stocks is, contrary to buying altcoins, a real diversification.


That said, I don't have a diversification strategy, I'm all in bitcoin.
My chart would look like this:
80% bitcoin
5% money in the bank in various currencies
15% cash.
I don't need to buy other things. Change my mind! Tongue

Wow! You are a true believer of bitcoin as the large chunk of your money is in bitcoin. Anyway, everyone is free to do what they want with their funds. In my case, I am slowly accumulating gold in the form of jewelries. At least for me, it is not hard to keep it and the amount is not that much if you buy small items of gold jewelry. I am also observing my spending habits and not buying unnecessary things.
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How does BTC play into your balance or diversification?
Most of my assets are in crypto, stocks, and gold, for cryptocurrency, the majority are Bitcoin next Ethereum, and stablecoins.
For situations like these, very volatile and the market is bleeding, I tend to convert some of my crypto assets to stablecoins and stake them with very low APY.

Next is stocks, I have minimal exposure for stocks and for stocks, mostly I own are indexes. For the gold, it's still in crypto, it is just tokenized gold.

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Are you also figuring out which could be the best investment to have while there is a recession?

I have no diversification but all in crypto from BTC to some altcoins kept. Not Ideal probably. I quit the stock market, it would have been profitable if I have invested in oil and crude companies. Would it be too late to invest in it?

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Diversification is a very important key towards success in investing and since there are many ways or many assets one can get into...this is just a matter of analyzing which one can be serving anyone...especially into the future. As for me, I am also into real-estate though not on a big time basis. One thing for sure, with cryptocurrency there is a high level of excitement but there is also at the same some big risks especially since it is a very volatile kind of thing...we have to be careful all the time.

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Everyone's strategy is going to be different because of many many reasons.

But how does it fit into your portfolio? Are you taking profits and moving it to other sectors? Are you shaving some profits into metals? Bonds / TIPS?  Real estate?

IMHO BTC tracks stocks to close to call it diversified in my minds eye but do you have stocks? Maybe into a ROTH IRA or traditional (tax deduction).

How does BTC play into your balance or diversification?

What does your pie chart look like?

Crypto, then stocks and real state. I have been in stocks prior to me joining crypto and then have some investment as well with real state. But when I started to enter crypto investment, then I would say that majority of my portfolio is in BTC and then just a few altcoins. And it should be for long term though, specially BTC because we all know that it has a bear and bull cycle so profits are going to be made if maybe at least 2 cycles of it thru holding and then evaluate and then diversify again. Getting your profits from crypto and then buying real state, at least keep your investment rolling.

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