DAO & Electricity

[tavintavan]

A decentralized autonomous organization is not possible when depending on a centralized energy system.
The dependence of cryptomining on an energy company makes the DAO meaningless.
If the DAO creates electricity generation itself and does not buy electricity from an energy company, then we can talk about complete independence from energy companies and decentralization of the organization.
If the DAO depends on the electricity of an energy company, then energy companies influence prices by setting rules.
 1. Increase in the price of electricity.
 2. Electricity consumption quotas for 1 person (house)

This is not the case now. But in conditions when in the USA all power grids and generation are worn out by 80%. Governments will establish new laws to regulate electricity prices and consumption for the reconstruction of power grids and generators

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[jackg]

Internationally, power company cooperation was cut a few months ago (and recently) by Russia's invasion of Ukraine (the UK and Norway withdrew their stakes in oil exploration there). I don't think there was much cohesion in the industry before then but now there'll be even less.

The USA isn't the only country that mines in PoW and I think it'd be easier to compete with from other countries if it was as someone in another country could likely negotiate a better rate. Some PoS implementations suffer from selecting nodes based on proximity which is worse for decentralisation (as in they favour bandwidth and ping speeds, which is essentially the same thing as a bunch of nodes in the same datacentre are going to be preferred over ones scattered about).

[zasad@]

I do not think that home mining is relevant after merge, and large enterprises do not use the country's power grid, but build their own green energy plants or connect directly to large electricity producers.
The price of electricity includes services for the repair and renewal of the power system, if in the USA it is a private business, then they are obliged to comply with the laws, and not bring the situation to accidents.

[tavintavan]

Then why is the US power grid 80 percent worn out?
Under normal economic conditions, wear and tear of equipment should not exceed 50%.
That is, you have 50% of new machines put into operation and 50% of old machines are in operation.
it turns out that US laws do not work and this has led to such wear and tear.
The 2022 Top Gun Maverick movie illustrates that the US does not have 5th generation fighters. But 5th generation fighters are produced by Russia and sold to China.
US food prices rise, political crisis between Biden and Trump
Is everything bad in the USA?

[jackg]

Then why is the US power grid 80 percent worn out?
Under normal economic conditions, wear and tear of equipment should not exceed 50%.
That is, you have 50% of new machines put into operation and 50% of old machines are in operation.
it turns out that US laws do not work and this has led to such wear and tear.

What's "new", what's "old" and is there an imbetween here?

Most equipment shouldn't be replaced unless it's soon to break or doesn't have a redundancy (and then a redundancy should be installed).

I think most old/long developed countries have old power grid that renew parts as and when they're needed but the entire grid is designed to function more like a mesh network where if one substation goes down, another should have sufficient energy to power it?

Also there are probably states in the US that renew their power grid much faster than others too is it a case that poorer states just can't afford to or that some have less population? I'm not in the US so I wouldn't know what the problem actually is (if there is one).

[tavintavan]

Do you not know what depreciation is? Modernization of generation and power grids requires time and money. at least 3 years. On the account of money, a question to the owners. Where did they send the money if the depreciation is 80%? In a normally functioning company, the wear never exceeds 30%

[Hydrogen]

Its impossible to influence energy markets as a middle man or energy reseller.

The true nature of decentralized energy could describe a format where consumers coordinate and organize to generate their own electricity. We already see this occurring to a degree with the trend towards off grid sustainable living. To achieve a true decentralized energy market, the offgrid trend would only need to expand to encompass a wider segment of the population.

Cities are the area where it would be difficult to achieve decentralized energy of any type. Due to space, regulation and constraint limits. City energy generation will always be centralized in nature. The high population density could not accommodate any other format.

It is possible that hydrogen power could decentralize city based energy markets to a degree. This would involve the use of portable hydrogen fuel containers and fuel cells. Which would be plug and play to avoid use of the grid. Similar to existing propane energy markets. Its an old concept that has been around for more than 10 years. The only thing that might make it feasible now is the high cost of fossil fuels.

We never suffer from a shortage of good ideas. At least we have that going for us.

[tavintavan]

It will be necessary to write an article how I see decentralization.

Remark.
Water itself is available. It can be mined out of thin air even in the Mojave Desert.
No major changes to the existing infrastructure are needed.
Water can be split into Hydrogen and Oxygen. Moreover, the Meyer generator allows you to produce electricity along the way from the splitting of water.

https://youtu.be/_-hY09qYfhw?t=141

[odolvlobo]

A decentralized autonomous organization is not possible when depending on a centralized energy system.

True, but does a centralized energy system exist now? No.

Will all the energy in the world ever be controlled by one entity? Probably not.

So, the question is moot.

[tavintavan]

Then answer the question!
Who depends on whom?
Do cryptominers depend on energy companies (on their electricity) or do energy companies depend on cryptominers (their cryptocurrencies)?

[Fara Chan]

Power plants consist of equipment used to generate electricity, power plants work by converting potential energy into mechanical energy, which is then used to produce electrical energy. In the era of increasing technology, electrical energy can be renewed using natural ways such as water and solar power and others.

Large companies do not depend on state electricity, they have built infrastructure in this field more independently, while the increase in electricity prices and quotas for the needs of each house is a government policy in setting the required standards, therefore it is natural to regulate and distribute in accordance with the needs of each household, so that electrical energy can be fully felt by everyone.

[el kaka22]

DAO is not used for what you think at all times, I mean it could be, but the general term DAO is not like that. You could literally be a company and work towards being like a group of developers who build things, like websites and games and what not and then you could have a DAO structure for it so that everyone would get a fair share, just like a company with stocks, and the people who get paid would get paid based on how many they have.

So, electricity doesn't "really" matter in that case, mining is not always regarding DAO, hence it means that we shouldn't really consider them all the same things and people with all the same aims.

[tavintavan]

Decentralized autonomous organizations now have great potential, but it is difficult for them to go beyond the digital space.
Going beyond these limits is a new round of development of the DAO.
Decentralized energy supply of the organization.
Imagine that each participant has their own power generator, and their combined capacity provides electricity for the organization's activities.
At the same time, there is no dependence on energy companies.

[batang_bitcoin]

This is like saying that the bitcoin blockchain is centralized because many miners are relying their electricity from the corporate electricity generating companies which makes it centralized. But as it's divided with also miners that are relying to green and alternative energy, then that makes it both centralized and decentralized then. I got the whole point of what you're trying to make but there are just some things that it's easier to be understood that there's always the supplier and the consumer.

[spectre71]

I do not think that home mining is relevant after merge, and large enterprises do not use the country's power grid, but build their own green energy plants or connect directly to large electricity producers.
The price of electricity includes services for the repair and renewal of the power system, if in the USA it is a private business, then they are obliged to comply with the laws, and not bring the situation to accidents.

Negative, they may own the substation as that's common with large consumers. I haven't seen any private generation of appreciable scale in the crypto arena.

[tavintavan]

Large companies are killing decentralization.
Yes, there are shareholders-owners, they are decentralized, but asset and capital management is always centralized.
The arrival of large companies in the mining industry has destroyed home mining.
In the competition of decentralized and centralized organizations, centralized ones always win.
This is an eternal competitive struggle. You will not be able to resist centralized companies that have come to a decentralized ecosystem if you do not have a "miracle weapon".