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September 18, 2022, 07:19:04 PM
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Meanwhile, in our country, when the government talks about giving you a project-based commissions related to visual arts(e.g., mural painting, storybooks designing) they either release your payment months after the job is finished or they underpay you so much that even two months' worth of rent can't cover.

If only most countries were like this, I doubt there would still be artists who suffered from inequity  Cry
That su*ks man. Not only that the payment is late but it was also an underpay while for some, they already being paid even the job isn't started yet. It's sad but that's how things work. Every country has its own kind of government. There are some who are corrupt and there are some who aren't and knows how to value their people.

These are only a program and they aren't guaranteed that all are going to be given like what happened in the Irish government. So many people have applied and yet, only a few are selected and worst is that it's being done randomly. I think it would be better if they select the artist who performs better because they deserve it the most.

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September 19, 2022, 05:31:15 AM
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Meanwhile, in our country, when the government talks about giving you a project-based commissions related to visual arts(e.g., mural painting, storybooks designing) they either release your payment months after the job is finished or they underpay you so much that even two months' worth of rent can't cover.

If only most countries were like this, I doubt there would still be artists who suffered from inequity  Cry
That su*ks man. Not only that the payment is late but it was also an underpay while for some, they already being paid even the job isn't started yet. It's sad but that's how things work. Every country has its own kind of government. There are some who are corrupt and there are some who aren't and knows how to value their people.

These are only a program and they aren't guaranteed that all are going to be given like what happened in the Irish government. So many people have applied and yet, only a few are selected and worst is that it's being done randomly. I think it would be better if they select the artist who performs better because they deserve it the most.
I wish to be an Irish too - the point you have mentioned about the government paying low on the project.
I believe artists are always underpaid. Only a few are fortunate to be successful otherwise many end up showing their work to the people in search of appreciation

In our country, many good artists are unappreciated and underrated. They don't pay them enough as if the projects that they're doing are just easy. If more countries would pay accordingly, the arts industry will grow and foster. If they only have to choose among their artist, I hope that they will pick the best and most deserving but also appreciate those small-time artists who only want to be noticed and feel valued.
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September 19, 2022, 09:05:00 AM
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It helps in circulation of money as well as increases the purchasing power of the people. In turn, it increases demand and money flows into the economy.
Increased purchasing power? You do realize that in order to get the money, government has to take the money from other people via taxes?


But in bigger countries and especially where the corruption rate is high, this is not a feasible solution. Like in India, if the government tries to start similar basic income schemes, most of the money will flow into the hands of corrupt politicians and their close aids. A very minor percentage of population will actually get the benefit. It is practically impossible for India to maintain sanity of such initiatives.
Its not a feasible solution anywhere, even in the most developed countries in the world. For example, take a look at Finland which is at the top of every possible list when it comes to quality of life. They ran UBI experiment for 2 years, and the final conclusion is that it was a failure that didn't help to boost the employment and the only ones who benefited were those that were paid to do nothing (who would have guessed that Cheesy).



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September 20, 2022, 02:07:16 AM
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What I know is that more and more Irish people are leaving the country, and that Irish employment agencies are going all over the EU in search of workers and offering them more than good conditions if they want to work in Ireland.

Hmm, and where did you get that data from?
Census 2022: Ireland's population hits record levels

Maybe they are searching for more workers because they don't have any more resources to fuel growth in the country as it has also hit record employment levels?
Employment Rate in Ireland increased to 73.50 percent in the second quarter of 2022 from 72.80 percent in the first quarter of 2022
https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/employment-rate

Anyhow, I'm starting to understand why some many cheers on this Utopia UBI, most of them are the ones that have stored a few satoshis in a wallet and think in 10 years will be richer than everyone by doing nothing, no wonder this topic has attracted so many cheers from them.

It helps in circulation of money as well as increases the purchasing power of the people. In turn, it increases demand and money flows into the economy.
Increased purchasing power? You do realize that in order to get the money, government has to take the money from other people via taxes?

No way, it;'s far easier than that, you just have to print money and give it away.
Problem .... solved... Cheesy


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September 20, 2022, 03:00:23 AM
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I have to add in ... it's rich that "artists" are starting to get UBI right as AI development in this area is going absolutely ballistic the past couple of months with DALLE-2 and more notably through Stable Diffusion (the more based and fully open source public version).

These apps for pennies will out perform these people not even able to produce their own income by orders of magnitude and further more, this is just the beginning.

https://odysee.com/@yannickilcher:3/ml-news-stable-diffusion-takes-over!:6

That video was just released and the scope of the problem is beyond insanity for those interested in understanding how big this is.




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September 20, 2022, 10:24:02 AM
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Hmm, and where did you get that data from?

From a not very relevant source, local media and the experiences of some people from my country who work there. They are of course quite satisfied with the conditions they find there, because they can earn more than twice as much as here and still save every month. Of course, there is also the attitude towards the worker, which is hard to imagine here.

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There is really work here and you can make a lot of progress, mostly because their working class is leaving the country. They target countries such as England, the USA and New Zealand, although I don't understand why, because Ireland is still the country with the fastest growing economy in Europe...

As soon as we landed in Ireland, people from xxx welcomed us. They organized our trip to the accommodation, which they also paid for for the first six weeks. As an employee, they refunded the price of the ticket, and they even found Irena a job in one of the partner stores...



Honestly, I am not surprised that so many Irish people are leaving the country. I have a few close relatives there so I visited them a couple of times and I didn't like what I see and could never live there. Its a weird combination of 3rd world country infrastructure and 1st world salaries, where bunch of people are getting loads of money for doing nothing/very little. It might be an interesting place to live if you are 20yo and all you want is to party and have a good time, but raising kids there? No thnx.

I did not know that there is such a view of Ireland, and that someone thinks that our country is better for raising children than Ireland - and I am honestly surprised that they have such a bad infrastructure, considering that they are not some kind of poor third world country.

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I did not know that there is such a view of Ireland, and that someone thinks that our country is better for raising children than Ireland - and I am honestly surprised that they have such a bad infrastructure, considering that they are not some kind of poor third world country.
Well, that "3rd world country infrastructure" might have been an exaggeration, but it is miles away from how it should be, considering the average salary there and life standard in general. I expected sort of Germany type of country, hearing how easy is to find a well paid job and it was a huge disappointment to see all that chaos. And its not just, but all the people I know (including those with kids) that haven't left already are planning to stay for 10 years max in order to qualify for pension, and then return.  


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