War in Ukraine - between NATO and Russia

[BADecker]

Starting to come out into the open how this war is a war between Russia and the US. There are several points in the article that should make it a good article to read.


Every 3rd soldier in the Kharkiv offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a citizen of a NATO country

The offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (and NATO) in the Kharkiv region was planned by the US military command. About 200 units of heavy military equipment and up to 9,000 soldiers were involved in last week's offensive.

Reportedly, forensic examination of the dead bodies from the Offensive reveal that one in three soldiers operating under the Ukrainian chevron was a citizen of a NATO member state.

These forces were 4-5 times superior to the units of the DPR, LPR and Russia that were defending their positions in the region.

The main goal of the Ukrainian offensive was a flank attack, encirclement and subsequent destruction of the Russian grouping in the area of ??Balakleya, Kupyansk and Izyum.

The Russian command predicted the offensive of large forces of Ukraine and NATO in this direction. It was aware that it would be extremely difficult to contain Ukraine's offensive with the forces that Russia had there. It was also virtually impossible to move sufficient reinforcements in time without weakening other areas on other front lines. Having assessed the risks, the Russian military decided to leave the weakly fortified positions and withdraw troops to new lines and straighten the lines of communication.

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From September 6 to September 11, Russian units retreated in an organized manner under the cover of specially organized units. Using mobile defense tactics, the Russian military destroyed the plan of Kyiv and NATO to encircle the Russian group.

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It is expected that, within days, the official assessment of the Russian Ministry of Defense will be publicly acknowledged that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine has definitively escalated into a state of war between Russia and NATO, with unpredictable results for all parties to the conflict.

This assessment is important because the Ukrainian/NATO side is the first, so far at an unofficial level, to engage in NATO's direct war against Russia, while Russia  continues to operate with the term "special military operation", continuing to use limited forces and means.

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[Moneyprism]

It is expected that, within days, the official assessment of the Russian Ministry of Defense will be publicly acknowledged that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine has definitively escalated into a state of war between Russia and NATO, with unpredictable results for all parties to the conflict.

Something very bad might happen..prepare yourself for a dark year..because maybe in the coming year this world will split into several factions like last cold war and maybe famine will occur and inflation in many countries will cause chaos and many countries will collapse

https://en.tempo.co/read/1619531/jokowi-warns-2023-to-be-darkest-economic-year-for-everyone

[BADecker]

I might be just as dumb as Europe. Why? I had thought better of United States honor. But everyone can see that US honor isn't as good as everyone thought.

The US incites a war between Russia and Ukraine.
Then they talk Europe into believing the Russians are the bad guys.
Then when Russia shuts off the gas, they talk Europe into sending NATO to fight.
But they don't tell anyone what they are doing, and...
Most Europeans simply think it was all Russia's fault.

As much as I hate it, I guess the US is going down. The European people are waking up. They are starting to realize how the US is dumping on them. The British have realized it for some time. The US is going to lose her friends in Europe.

[af_newbie]

I might be just as dumb as Europe. Why? I had thought better of United States honor. But everyone can see that US honor isn't as good as everyone thought.

The US incites a war between Russia and Ukraine.
Then they talk Europe into believing the Russians are the bad guys.
Then when Russia shuts off the gas, they talk Europe into sending NATO to fight.
But they don't tell anyone what they are doing, and...
Most Europeans simply think it was all Russia's fault.

As much as I hate it, I guess the US is going down. The European people are waking up. They are starting to realize how the US is dumping on them. The British have realized it for some time. The US is going to lose her friends in Europe.

LOL. And why would the US waste resources and care to "incite" Russia?

You got the chronology wrong. 2014 Crimea->2014 Donbas->2022 invasion. The US was not involved in the invasion of Crimea or Donbas.

Russians are genocidal maniacs. Look at the atrocities they have committed in the occupied territories. Truly sick people.

Never mind the deliberate destruction of the civilian infrastructure. They level cities, towns, and villages as they go.

Nobody really cares about Russia, today, even India told Putin to end his 'war adventures' asap.

He will become irrelevant as time goes on, even in Russia.

[suchmoon]

Nothing's changed since then... except Russian loses increased 3-4-fold. NATO is still nowhere to be seen except in conspiratard delusions. "2nd army in the world Ukraine" is getting spanked and is running out of excuses.

[BADecker]

I might be just as dumb as Europe. Why? I had thought better of United States honor. But everyone can see that US honor isn't as good as everyone thought.

The US incites a war between Russia and Ukraine.
Then they talk Europe into believing the Russians are the bad guys.
Then when Russia shuts off the gas, they talk Europe into sending NATO to fight.
But they don't tell anyone what they are doing, and...
Most Europeans simply think it was all Russia's fault.

As much as I hate it, I guess the US is going down. The European people are waking up. They are starting to realize how the US is dumping on them. The British have realized it for some time. The US is going to lose her friends in Europe.

LOL. And why would the US waste resources and care to "incite" Russia?

You got the chronology wrong. 2014 Crimea->2014 Donbas->2022 invasion. The US was not involved in the invasion of Crimea or Donbas.

Russians are genocidal maniacs. Look at the atrocities they have committed in the occupied territories. Truly sick people.

Never mind the deliberate destruction of the civilian infrastructure. They level cities, towns, and villages as they go.

Nobody really cares about Russia, today, even India told Putin to end his 'war adventures' asap.

He will become irrelevant as time goes on, even in Russia.

Stand your simple self up next to a simple Russian man... say, a Russian farmer who works his land. The only differences lie in what he does for a living, and in his mindset regarding politics.

He has friends he loves, just like you. He gets hurt at times, just like you. He doesn't like pain, just like you don't. He has justified his life in his own mind just like you have justified yours in your mind.

Guess what? You are just like he is. Tweak your mind direction a tiny bit, and you would make a gooood Russian.

[yhiaali3]

Although many will not like it, but I am sure from the beginning that this is an American-Russian war, even NATO is in fact only a front for American intervention, the real conflict is American-Russian, America does not leave a region in the world in which conflicts are burning without extending its hand to intervene and increase The burning fire, the main problem from a philosophical point of view is that the United States wants to be the only leader in the world, Europe has succumbed to reality, but Russia refuses to submit and wants to restore its previous position in leading the world on an equal footing with the United States. From here arise all the conflicts in Syria, Libya, Ukraine and even in Venezuela and other countries too.

[BADecker]

^^^ It's kinda different than that. It's all about world trade. A bunch of countries submitted to US-style world trade... and the wars around the world that the US does in the name of peace-keeping. But why should Russia?, and BRICS?, and a bunch of other countries?

We personally are not in the trade deals the US has made with other countries, so it is difficult to tell who is right or wrong... who broke the deals first... and whose name is on the line in the deal paperwork, and whose isn't. It's like government usurpation of people's rights all around the world, by sticking us, the people, into the trade deals by assumed agreements, when we didn't agree, personally.

However, it looks like many times the US broke the deal, or made a deal in the first place that was ambiguous enough that nobody knew for sure what it could mean.

So, as much as it is Russia not backing down, so it's the US not backing down. Why not let bygones be bygones, and get the US out of other countries' business deals?

[Kavelj22]

Nothing's changed since then... except Russian loses increased 3-4-fold. NATO is still nowhere to be seen except in conspiratard delusions. "2nd army in the world Ukraine" is getting spanked and is running out of excuses.

The war is not between NATO and Russia. The war between NATO and the countries of the eastern alliance Russia, China and several other countries.
NATO cannot get involved in a military confrontation with these countries because of its vital function in ensuring the safety of their economies. He is fighting proxy wars during which he sacrifices his allies in an attempt to weaken the opposing party.

Ukraine and Taiwan pay high taxes and it would be safe for them not to get involved in this war, but it seems that it is too late.

As a reminder, Iran and Algeria also belong to the eastern alliance against NATO.

[BADecker]

^^^ But NATO IS involved in Ukraine. Check my posts for the one that shows the count... that 1 out of 3 Ukrainian dead soldiers are really from European NATO countries.

[btcbeograd]

I feel sorry that Ukraine suffers because of the war that does not really belong to her

[BADecker]

Wars between Russia and Ukraine have been going on for who knows how many hundreds of years. It's kinda like the Republicans and the Democrats in the US.

Most of the smart people moved out of Ukraine and Russia long ago.

[darkangel11]

Then they talk Europe into believing the Russians are the bad guys.

We can all see who the bad guys are and it's not the people who defend their country. It's the people who drive unarmed citizens from their homes, steal their cars and home appliances, rape women, murder people who try to get away in their cars.

Russians showed themselves from the worst possible side here as invaders, murderers, thieves and rapists. They're mentally back in 1945 when they were raping and stealing on their way towards Berlin.

[BADecker]

Then they talk Europe into believing the Russians are the bad guys.

We can all see who the bad guys are and it's not the people who defend their country. It's the people who drive unarmed citizens from their homes, steal their cars and home appliances, rape women, murder people who try to get away in their cars.

Russians showed themselves from the worst possible side here as invaders, murderers, thieves and rapists. They're mentally back in 1945 when they were raping and stealing on their way towards Berlin.

All you are doing is talking things any and every large country does... like the US, for example.

In WW2, the Germans were bad. The individual soldiers were bad for following such a crazy leader. But they still were to be accorded rights as soldiers captured in war, according to international war conventions of that time.

So, do a search on the 5 million+ German soldiers that our beloved US General - later President - Dwight Eisenhower did, against those same international war conventions, to the 5million+ captured German soldiers.

It happens all over the place, even in the US, where there are some of the most basic, strongest, human-rights laws of any country.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Then they talk Europe into believing the Russians are the bad guys.

We can all see who the bad guys are and it's not the people who defend their country. It's the people who drive unarmed citizens from their homes, steal their cars and home appliances, rape women, murder people who try to get away in their cars.

Russians showed themselves from the worst possible side here as invaders, murderers, thieves and rapists. They're mentally back in 1945 when they were raping and stealing on their way towards Berlin.

Its a lesson for countries that never mess with big guns. I see Taiwan doing same mistake as they are provoking China on wish of USA. Taiwan must foresee that China will teach them more horrible lesson then what Russia taught to Ukraine. This is lesson all countries should learn. 

[BADecker]

^^^ And it is all because of the US crooked money system that is like an octopus surrounding the globe... with many more tentacles than an octopus has.

How do they do it? Through not revealing everything that goes on in the trade agreements.

What I mean is, the trade agreement involve loans from banks to countries. When the country leaders sign a promise-to-pay note to the banks, they don't realize that the note becomes money, and that this money-note is used to prepay the loan. There is no need to make loan payments that enrich the banks for nothing in return.

According to the law of contracts, there is no full disclosure about this by the banks. This nullifies the contract. That is why Russia, when they figured this out decades ago, stopped following the terms of their agreements with the US. The US broke the agreements ahead of time by not making a full disclosure to Russia. The contracts were essential null and void from the start.

Same with almost all the countries that borrow from the banks.

However, if the country leaders know what's going on with bank loans, they haven't informed the people. They are guilty of treason against their own people.

[Naficopa]

^^^ And it is all because of the US crooked money system that is like an octopus surrounding the globe... with many more tentacles than an octopus has.

How do they do it? Through not revealing everything that goes on in the trade agreements.

What I mean is, the trade agreement involve loans from banks to countries. When the country leaders sign a promise-to-pay note to the banks, they don't realize that the note becomes money, and that this money-note is used to prepay the loan. There is no need to make loan payments that enrich the banks for nothing in return.

According to the law of contracts, there is no full disclosure about this by the banks. This nullifies the contract. That is why Russia, when they figured this out decades ago, stopped following the terms of their agreements with the US. The US broke the agreements ahead of time by not making a full disclosure to Russia. The contracts were essential null and void from the start.

Same with almost all the countries that borrow from the banks.

However, if the country leaders know what's going on with bank loans, they haven't informed the people. They are guilty of treason against their own people.

the damage these so called organizations have made to the world is irreparable.
There is no question that our  life is now in the hands of warlords who are distributing deaths everywhere.