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September 18, 2022, 10:37:42 PM
Last edit: September 18, 2022, 11:12:33 PM by DooMAD
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*rewriting history yet again*

The whole idea of the NYA was to push for a 2mb base blocksize after SegWit activated, you total fucking cretin.  Just because you still conflate the thing that actually activated SegWit with the NYA (despite the fact they were two very different things), doesn't make it true.  The NYA supporters never got their 2mb base blocksize.  The true majority resisted it.  Now stop derailing the thread with your manipulative horseshit.  Absolute fucking basketcase.


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Since franky1 is clearly insane and doesn't have the slightest grip on reality, here's a reminder of the actual NYA for all the sane people out there:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/New_York_Agreement
https://fullycrypto.com/what-was-the-bitcoin-new-york-agreement
https://www.mycryptopedia.com/scaling-bitcoin-the-new-york-agreement-explained/

SegWit2x/SegWit2mb demonstrably never went ahead.  Regular SegWit was activated via BIP91.  The NYA was deemed a failure by everyone (except franky1, who somehow thinks it succeeded).

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September 18, 2022, 10:52:45 PM
Last edit: September 19, 2022, 07:18:09 AM by franky1
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no doomad. only a couple of your pals beleive your version of events.. even the core devs admit the real version of events that counter your narrative(get the hint you are not showing loyalism by pushing the 5yo fake story first presented by some devs)

the FLAG of NYA was to get segwit activated .. the actual code level and block data level of changes requested by NYA
(via the mandated crap of rejecting the opposition... data code, and flag statistics show the truth)
the second part.. which was not code. but just social "promise"/"compromise" was a later 2mb block...
the 2mb later promise (no date specified) never flourished

but we all know using common sense and logic that the 2mb part was not the real agenda.. as it was just the ploy/bait to get segwit flagged in via the NYA tactic
 you know it. and though you want to play social drama 3 card shuffle to confuse the matter.. there was a hard fork. so dont go playing it was a softfork (even that image in chart shows the SOFT didnt happen. because the blue-red shows a HARK happened.

anywy

just put your stupid social games aside

point is..
devs acknowledge the tactics of the mandate code and the flag events to break off the opposition to get a (unnatural) 100% which is what data also shows

and the emphasise is people need to know a mandated activation HAS occured. without true unbroken majority pre activation. (because they broke consensus pre activation to fake the 100%..)
and it can happen again. !

no matter how forgetful you are. block data is immutable and its data does not lie nor does other peoples memory. so just accept it.

the data overrules your silly games. so give up your charade

and people need to be aware that it can happen again so that we can watch for tactics of certain dev groups and economic nodes pushing for PoS

instead of being lulled into social drama games of fake promise and  finger pointing of blame other people EG current game to make people look at greenpeace, when the real things we should look at is this months push to change regulations from SEC to CFTC which come with actual ramifications

yes changing to CFTC regulators will change things and affect things
dont play your ignorant games for once

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September 18, 2022, 11:55:43 PM
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you can even make the argument that Bitcoin mining is a positive for the environment.
Like I said, an echo chamber.
How's that? He just told you how he himself mines with renewable energy. How can this be bad for the environment?
It actually appears that the 'echo chamber gang' are the mainstream media and whoever is behind them, trying to push this narrative.

The ultimate goal is not helping the environment, but replacing PoW with PoS which is just fiat in sheep's clothing. It gives the people who are in control in the fiat system, the same amount of control, while PoW doesn't.

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September 19, 2022, 02:01:59 AM
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We know Greenpeace was taking money from Ripple for their anti-Bitcoin propaganda campaign. They are not arguing in good faith and are undermining what they're about when they take bribes from those looking to promote their altcoins. Greenpeace used to accept Bitcoin so they are fully aware of it's benefits. They only decided to start caring about the environmental impact when they started receiving millions of dollars to promote proof-of-stake.

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It is also important to note that Ethereum's switch to PoS is in its experimental stage. In a few months, the challenges and disadvantages of this switch would become evident to all.
The uselessness and flaws of PoS and how they can be easily overcome by centralization have been evident to all for about a decade. You shouldn't forget that we already have old centralized PoS shitcoins and now we have one more. The fact that ETH is bigger than other shitcoins doesn't mean the algorithm or their centralization is any different.

The only thing that may become evident is very specific bugs related to the mess known as the ethereum protocol that may start showing themselves in the future.

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It is also important to note that Ethereum's switch to PoS is in its experimental stage. In a few months, the challenges and disadvantages of this switch would become evident to all.
The only thing that may become evident is very specific bugs related to the mess known as the ethereum protocol that may start showing themselves in the future.

biggest flaw of eth PoS is yes the centralisation.. the custodianisation of the stake

this makes eth PoS now even easier for regulators to get exchanges to pull off more mandated upgrades to ease regulators minds. because its not just the utility of transaction recognition with exchanges.. but also those exchanges are the miners now. so they dont have to threaten miners to flag agreement with economic nodes.. because the economic nodes are the miners

so if they want to only follow a particular fork. USERS with full nodes would even more easily follow exchanges because not only are they the recognised services to spend coins with. but those exchanges now own those users stake and opposing the exchanges means users lose their stake.. thus now for eth a double hit for users that dont want to follow a exchange thats pushed to follow a particular fork


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It is also important to note that Ethereum's switch to PoS is in its experimental stage. In a few months, the challenges and disadvantages of this switch would become evident to all.
The uselessness and flaws of PoS and how they can be easily overcome by centralization have been evident to all for about a decade. You shouldn't forget that we already have old centralized PoS shitcoins and now we have one more. The fact that ETH is bigger than other shitcoins doesn't mean the algorithm or their centralization is any different.

The only thing that may become evident is very specific bugs related to the mess known as the ethereum protocol that may start showing themselves in the future.
What's funny is that ETH fans celebrate the switch to PoS and use this event to demand Bitcoin to do it as well (for various reasons).
Meanwhile we can also interpret it as surrender. They basically surrendered in the fight against Bitcoin; remember 'flippening' and such words thrown around?

They relinquished completely and stepped down to attempt at least becoming the #1 in the children's sandpit of PoS.
Basically, they took the blue pill.

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They were accepting donations in Bitcoin for years.

No way back from there Smiley

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They were accepting donations in Bitcoin for years.

No way back from there Smiley


Looks like they are trying anyway.  Smiley

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/05/21/greenpeace-stops-accepting-bitcoin-donations-cites-high-energy-use/
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Environmental campaign group Greenpeace USA has stopped accepting bitcoin donations over the carbon footprint of the cryptocurrency.

According to a report from the Financial Times on Thursday, the organization said:
"As the amount of energy needed to run bitcoin became clearer, this policy became no longer tenable."

At some point everyone realized that it is PoW or them, and then they refuse to use it.
Everyone except bitcoin cultist that are utterly delusional about Proof of Waste.

Many Crypto Users realized that PoW was a dead end starting in 2013 until now.
Greenpeace realize that PoW was a danger in May of 2021,
Texas will realize the PoW danger, when their power grid collapse in 2024.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/change-the-code-not-the-climate-greenpeace-usa-ewg-others-launch-campaign-to-push-bitcoin-to-reduce-climate-pollution/

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Change The Code: Not The Climate – Greenpeace USA, EWG, Others Launch Campaign to Push Bitcoin to Reduce Climate Pollution

https://cleanupbitcoin.com/

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~Delusional gibberish cut out~
https://cleanupbitcoin.com/

Thanks for the idea (or rather no thanks because this idea will melt their brain cells). Now I'm going to register an opposite domain and make it point to all the resources that thoroughly debunk that "bitcoin is bad for the environment" argument.

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~Delusional gibberish cut out~
https://cleanupbitcoin.com/
Thanks for the idea (or rather no thanks because this idea will melt their brain cells). Now I'm going to register an opposite domain and make it point to all the resources that thoroughly debunk that "bitcoin is bad for the environment" argument.
https://bitcoincleanup.com/ would be cool! Cheesy

By the way, if memory serves me correct, this is the person who I made this meme for. They're very worried about the grid.


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By the way, if memory serves me correct, this is the person who I made this meme for. They're very worried about the grid.

Be sure and start on your meme for when the executive order from the white house bans PoW.

That should be the funniest one of all.  Cheesy

Guess you better do a meme for the Office of Science and Technology too.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/white-house-condemns-energy-use-of-mining-bitcoin
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The report also claims that bitcoin miners will raise the average electricity cost for local consumers

Bitcoin cultist are so clueless about what is happening, it is like they can't read, maybe that is why they play with pictures so much.  Cheesy
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Trader University make a video about the subject. Reasonable opinion. It is one of the beautiful things about open source software and consensus. You don't need to ask anyone.

https://odysee.com/@TraderUniversity:a/bitcoin-tells-greenpeace-to-go-fork:3




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Here is the link: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/greenpeace-intensifies-campaign-against-bitcoin-after-ethereum-merge.

They just don’t get it. Of course, it is impossible to understand something when their income depends on not understanding it. Well, this is the difference between honesty (Bitcoin) and total moral corruption (Ethereum and the rest of the fiat world).

I repeat. There is no such an invention in PoS. This is the way fiat currencies and even the gold standard worked since the origins of monetary history. All modern nationalized fiat currencies (the USD, the EUR, the GBP, etc.) are already digital and working under the PoS model.  Where is the innovation? Nowhere.

This is the computer versus the typing machine, and old fogeys proposing going back to the typing machine because computers spend energy. Well, you type… I’ll use a computer. Let’s see who wins.


It is important that people realize that a great deal of what they read on the mainstream media has been manipulated in order to create a reaction on them, in this case governments are trying to cloud their judgment and manipulate them into believing that somehow the system implemented by bitcoin is both inefficient and a threat to the environment.

As we know this is not true, but the average person doesn't really have the time or even the interest to try to look for the truth so they are going to believe whatever they are told especially if it comes from an organization like Greenpeace.

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They are unnecessarily attacking the POW because they are using energy to mine something useful and which can be used as payment mode so what's the problem in that? The Air conditioning from the other financial sector also disturb the environment as they also emit carbon to the nature but they have never raise a voice against them why? Because it's for government and they know they can't go against them.Miners are also using energy efficient ways or say green resources to mine btc but we always see this drama but it's totally waste and miners will continue the same way moving to more renewable sources and the people will realise what a waste they were part of.

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Greenpeace? Aren't they the idiots who were protesting against oil drilling platforms by sailing around one of such platforms in a boat powered by a diesel engine? Cheesy

you mean the same people that wanted to take photos of clmate change of how icebergs are being broken.. by sailing in a icebreaker ship.

oh the guys that printed a billion paper leaflets to campaign about deforrestation

Yes, they are the guys who are sailing a gazillion miles in a couple of icebreaker ships to protect the whales... but that is not the real issue. The real issue is this.... The Fiat Banking system are using a lot more energy and polluting the earth more, but they focus on Bitcoin.  Roll Eyes

Do you see them standing in front of the 1000s of armored cars that are being powered by large Diesel engines on a daily basis? Do you see them picketing in front of the 1000s of Bank branches, where air-conditioning are running 24/7 ....and also electronic machines like computers / CCTV / Networking equipment / ATMs / Card readers... etc...etc?

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You continue argumenting purely based on (perceived) authorities on various subjects.

The 'argumentum ab auctoritate' is one of the weakest arguments in existence, in my opinion. You consistently fail to provide verifiable arguments based on logic and numbers. Nobody will take you seriously here, that way.

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Greenpeace is known to be overreacting to things a bit, and they defend behind a good logic to do that. What do they say they want? A better earth that's not killing us, which is amazing right? I mean think about it this way, would you want a world where it is doing a lot better? Everywhere green, the whole world filled with oxygen that you breath to feel better, beaches and forests all amazing? It would all happen and that would be amazing.

But that doesn't mean that you should be overreacting to every little thing and think that you are doing the right thing. I should save money and be rich too, but spending a dollar won't get me there, saving 50% of my salary would. Focus on the top 100 companies that ruin the world, they are the cause of 70% of the pollution, that would be a great start.

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Proof of Waste being Eliminated , Soon.
According to Government Sources.
You continue argumenting purely based on (perceived) authorities on various subjects.

The 'argumentum ab auctoritate' is one of the weakest arguments in existence, in my opinion. You consistently fail to provide verifiable arguments based on logic and numbers. Nobody will take you seriously here, that way.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Those perceived authorities can permaban Proof of Waste Mining.
Those perceived authorities can make it illegal to trade in PoW coins in the US.
Those perceived authorities can have you arrested if you transact in a PoW coin.

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,
well you make yourself too stupid to recognize the reality you live in, that is on you and has nothing to do with me.

Anyone here with the ability to use logic knows Proof of waste is a dying tech.

None of the BTC cultists have to believe a word I say, none of that will stop PoW from being banned.  Cool

FYI:
Did you run out of crayons, their was no meme in your post, just like their is never any logic in your posts.  Wink

 
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Greenpeace is known to be overreacting to things a bit, and they defend behind a good logic to do that. What do they say they want? A better earth that's not killing us, which is amazing right? I mean think about it this way, would you want a world where it is doing a lot better? Everywhere green, the whole world filled with oxygen that you breath to feel better, beaches and forests all amazing? It would all happen and that would be amazing.

But that doesn't mean that you should be overreacting to every little thing and think that you are doing the right thing. I should save money and be rich too, but spending a dollar won't get me there, saving 50% of my salary would. Focus on the top 100 companies that ruin the world, they are the cause of 70% of the pollution, that would be a great start.
The reason we're 'overreacting' is that they are being deceitful.
Spending this kind of money on anti-Bitcoin campaigns is one of the worst ways I can think of to use cash for saving the planet.

I think it's easy to understand that we're not going to be silent if someone is trying to bullshit us into this 'Bitcoin causes global warming' narrative that is a requirement for arguing against PoW.
Since we know better, it is our duty to counter the loud voices that are prevalent in the misinformation-camp of deliberate fraudsters and deceived newbies.

I'm all for fighting global warming, but focusing on Bitcoin is a waste of time and money. It pollutes way too little for any change to its protocols to have an impact and it's moving to renewables due to economics, on its own - faster than almost any other industry.
Anyone claiming otherwise is either unknowingly wasting their time or knowingly deceiving people for whatever motive they're following.



Those perceived authorities can permaban Proof of Waste Mining.
Those perceived authorities can make it illegal to trade in PoW coins in the US.
Those perceived authorities can have you arrested if you transact in a PoW coin.
'Banning' is relative. Nobody can prevent me mining ETC on a GPU at home or Bitcoin on a stick miner; and it will be barely possible to track. Mining will continue in one way or another.
Making it illegal to use a coin works with any cryptocurrency; it has nothing to do with PoW or not. In fact, coins tend to be banned / restricted by authorities mostly by degree of privacy. This should tell you enough about the real reasons behind attempted BTC / crypto bans.

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,
well you make yourself too stupid to recognize the reality you live in, that is on you and has nothing to do with me.
Do you realize that Bitcoin's energy impact is miniscule compared to global energy footprint?
Just because blackouts happen and Bitcoin mining also happens, doesn't mean causation. Classic fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Anyone here with the ability to use logic knows Proof of waste is a dying tech.
Or we could say Bitcoin is the only PoW coin that prevailed. Since PoW is competitive by design, it pushes out weaker competitors. ETH was one of the strongest contenders until recently.

Did you run out of crayons, their was no meme in your post, just like their is never any logic in your posts.  Wink
That's interesting! So far, a lot of members in this community, but also people in my real-life ventures, valued my logic abilities. On the other hand, you present arguments riddled of logic fallacies and failed to provide a single one that held water.

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