GREENPEACE INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM'S MERGE

[franky1]

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

idiot thinks bitcoin causes rolling blackouts..
i think that Leg-endK things that all bitcoin miners of a pool are housed in one building like an amazon AWS server farm

sorry Leg-end. but a pool is just a data manager single server, that receives data from miners all across the world.. its a little thing called decentralisation

there are not 3-10 locations of mining. there are tens of thousands of locations

the ~1.5m-2m asics are not located in just a half dozen locations putting high pressure on a single power plant that circuit breaks every day..

get real learn something
rolling blackouts are the failure of government and power stations.. not the people that use electric and pay their bills

here's the reasons
imagine a region has a 240GW capacity and a 150 average demand

1. when they insert solar and show that they can achieve a yearly 240GW capacity
politicians say "turn off the 240GW fossil, we are good to go green"
but this 240GW capacity is not evenly spread as 10gw per hour(same hour of each day totalled for year)
its actually 30GW an hour for the 8 hours of sunlight
meaning they have problems when its not daytime as they no longer have support from fossil at the end of the day

2. with hydro (lets use same numbers)
that too is not evenly spaced out as 60GW per season..
its actually more like 120 for winter 100 for autumn and 10 each for spring and summer

3. lets take california and the colorado river.. the silly people in the energy/water market have a "magic number2 of water capacity and then allot quota's of water to go to certain counties..
the thing is the magic number is higher than the actual amount of water available. and also those at the top of the river ensure they get their quota because if they dont use it they lose it.
meaning those at the bottom dont get any. meaning the dam reservoirs do not fill thus energy production doesnt meet capacity. and in summer where there is not much rain and alot of evaporation. energy generations really slows down

this is not about blame the energy user. its about knowing the facts that for decades the utility companies have been over exaggerating their numbers to get money but not investing in expanding and staying within their capacity..

dont blame energy users.. its not their fault they pay for a service they cannot get.. blame the energy provisors who have for decades been on a mis-spending spree of their profits and not investing into meeting demand. and now the politicians want to turn off fossil fuel plants.. that mis-spending and exaggerations of capacity are beginning to show

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[LegendaryK]

Do you realize that Bitcoin's energy impact is miniscule compared to global energy footprint?

Geez, you are another slow one.
The world power grids are not , I repeat not interconnected , no grid has access to the entire world's total energy output,
Currently your btc PoW mining parasites are trying to suck an additional amount out of Texas grid that is equal to New York State energy use.
Texas grid produces less than 1% of the World Total energy.
PoW will be banned or the Texas grid will collapse by 2024 and kill millions of people in the 2-5 years it takes to repair.

Did you run out of crayons, their was no meme in your post, just like their is never any logic in your posts.  

On the other hand, you present arguments riddled of logic fallacies and failed to provide a single one that held water.

Dude,
they don't hold water for you , because you are stupid.  
Don't worry , after the PoW Permaban, you can just play with your crayons all day.

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

get real learn something

1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized
3.  Proof of Waste will be banned.

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  
Sad day for you.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/texas-crypto-rush-may-need-as-much-power-as-entire-state-of-n-y?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Crypto currency miners are accelerating their push to expand in Texas far beyond what authorities had initially expected, threatening to send the state’s electricity use skyrocketing.
Enough miners have applied to connect to Texas’s power grid to use up to 33 gigawatts of electricity, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which runs the system, said in an email Friday. That’s a third more than what the grid operator’s chief executive officer said in April that officials were preparing to handle over the next decade.

https://www.change.org/p/no-to-riot-bitcoin-mine-in-navarro-county

Navarro County/ Corsicana TX is looking to allow an industrial Bitcoin Mining operation to move here & use our resources.

We do NOT want this enormous burden on our already fragile infrastructure.

We do not want the increase in water and electricity bills.

We do not want the increase in environmental temperature in the immediate vicinity of the factory-that-produces-nothing.

We do not want the noise pollution that 500,000 computers running 24-7 will produce.

We do not want our county to facilitate in the illegal activity Bitcoin is used for, such as money laundering, child, human and sex trafficking, tax evasion and drug trafficking.

WE. DO. NOT. WANT. THIS. FACILITY. IN. NAVARRO. COUNTY.

This is NOT a done deal.

We have the power & authority to deny access to our municipal water supply.  We're in a drought and already experience brown-outs during the summer months.

This factory-that-produces-nothing will affect every single citizen of Navarro County and MUST BE STOPPED!

EMAIL CITY COUNCIL

JOIN The Concerned Citizens of Navarro County Facebook Group

Sign This Petition

THANK YOU!

[coolcoinz]

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

idiot thinks bitcoin causes rolling blackouts..
i think that Leg-endK things that all bitcoin miners of a pool are housed in one building like an amazon AWS server farm

sorry Leg-end. but a pool is just a data manager single server, that receives data from miners all across the world.. its a little thing called decentralisation

there are not 3-10 locations of mining. there are tens of thousands of locations

the ~1.5m-2m asics are not located in just a half dozen locations putting high pressure on a single power plant that circuit breaks every day..

get real learn something

The way I see it, this "legEND" is never getting a legendary rank in here.

I always find it amazing how some people develop this socialist mentality that makes them think they can limit people's access to some goods and services "for the good of others". He uses words like leeches and parasites, because in his mind it's one apple for each person. You can't go to the market and buy out all apples, if you do it means the system is broken to allow that and you're a parasite.

It's the same with power grid, he lacks the basic understanding of how electricity works. Each power company calculates the amount they can sell. If I decide to set up a mininng operation, I have to write to them and ask if it's possible that I get a certain amount like 100kW for that. If they can spare it, they'll set me up with everything needed to support such draw.
You cannot steal 100kW just like that. You can't put miners anywhere you like. If you do it without thinking you'll trip your breakers first and if you decide to put in bigger ones you'll fru the connection between your house and the nearest HV transformer.

A mining operation cannot cause blackouts. It's up to the power company to limit power to certain businesses if they are unable to provide a constant and stable supply. They will rather stop supplying miners than hospitals if it comes to that and no mining ban is needed for that to happen. The market will always regulate itself and power companies are free to choose how much power they can send to a location.

LegendaryK, you should stop trying to put yourself between the seller and the buyer. You social justice warriors always try to interfere in the market and put your hands in other people's pockets in the name of equality and ecology.

[franky1]

1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  
Sad day for you.

4 pools does not mean 4 warehouses


oh and the "unknown" slice of the pie chart..
https://www.blockchain.com/charts/pools
is not a single pool called "unknown"
its many pools which blockchain.info cannot identify so just clumps the numbers together into one slice

and if you delve into the depths of data/statistics of each pool you would learn that the pool services thousands of users around the world. not one location

[LegendaryK]

LegendaryK, you should stop trying to put yourself between the seller and the buyer. You social justice warriors always try to interfere in the market and put your hands in other people's pockets in the name of equality and ecology.

So when those ~7 million people die from the 2024 Texas grid collapse,
You want to be the one to tell them, your greed and cult faith in PoW is why their loved ones had to die.

1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  
Sad day for you.

Gone off the Deep end

Dude,
just go outside, you have become too stupid to talk too.

So sad.





https://decrypt.co/109283/white-house-bitcoin-mining-greener-ban

White House: Bitcoin Mining Must Be Greener—Or US Should Ban It
The White House has said it wants federal agencies and states to make mining cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin more climate-friendly—or else.

Time is short.

[n0nce]

Dude,
they don't hold water for you , because you are stupid. 
Don't worry , after the PoW Permaban, you can just play with your crayons all day.
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What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad. 

Last I checked, insults are a pretty weak argument - yet again, nothing of substance.
That's why they say more about whoever uses them instead of whoever was targeted.

LegendaryK, you should stop trying to put yourself between the seller and the buyer. You social justice warriors always try to interfere in the market and put your hands in other people's pockets in the name of equality and ecology.

So when those ~7 million people die from the 2024 Texas grid collapse,
You want to be the one to tell them, your greed and cult faith in PoW is why their loved ones had to die.

If Texas were to actually sell all their electricity to Bitcoin miners and to take it away from people even if that means they die - are you honestly blaming the miners instead of the state?
Now, I don't know whether Texas is willing to do that, I can't judge how likely that is.

Here's a point with thesis and argumentation, maybe you can learn something from this methodology.
Proposition: There is economic reason why starvation in Texas will never happen.
Argumentation: Do keep in mind miners need the cheapest energy they can get. If people are in dire need of electricity, they will pay prices that miners can't afford to pay.
Proof: You can easily compare it to Europe, where miners are basically 'forced out' of the market by consumers, who pay upwards of $0.30 per kWh -- a price that no mining operation can work with. At such prices, they shut down their gear temporarily until prices drop again, or relocate to a cheaper location.

https://decrypt.co/109283/white-house-bitcoin-mining-greener-ban

White House: Bitcoin Mining Must Be Greener—Or US Should Ban It
The White House has said it wants federal agencies and states to make mining cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin more climate-friendly—or else.[/size]

Time is short.

You're again appealing to authority; if instead you meant to propose their argument as a good one, it's really not. Bitcoin mining is already much greener than the industry average and highly incentivized (financially) to continue in that direction, since mining profits are directly correlated with energy costs and renewables are so cheap.

[LegendaryK]

You're again appealing to authority; if instead you meant to propose their argument as a good one, it's really not. Bitcoin mining is already much greener than the industry average and highly incentivized (financially) to continue in that direction, since mining profits are directly correlated with energy costs and renewables are so cheap.

No , I am linking to what the Authorities are saying they are going to do,
which is ban PoW, because the btc cultist are too stupid to fix the energy waste.

PoW supporters continued stupidly on the mater is what I find insulting.

What is really amazing is how all PoW supporters are just utter morons.

Oh well , your PoW coin waste energy , and you PoW morons waste everyone else time with your stupidity.

You have wasted enough of my time.

Enjoy the 2024 permaban on PoW.  

[franky1]

https://www.change.org/p/no-to-riot-bitcoin-mine-in-navarro-county

Navarro County/ Corsicana TX is looking to allow an industrial Bitcoin Mining operation to move here & use our resources.

We do NOT want this enormous burden on our already fragile infrastructure.

We do not want the noise pollution that 500,000 computers running 24-7 will produce.

atleast they admit that the problem is their "fragile infrastructure.." but Leg-endK needs to realise what that actually means..
yep power companies took peoples money for decades but didnt use that received money to strengthen the infrastructure

they should actually be campaigning to stop power companies from profiteering and actually invest the money in upgrades

rather then tell neighbours to turn off the lights because they dont like the neighbours using power a selfish person wants.

silly thing is
when one neighbours cries about how much another neighbour makes noise and uses electric and wants to tell the neighbour to turn off the lights and sit in silence... that neighbour restricted neighbour then cries about the first one who is now using electric and making more noise..  
social drama echoechamber of fighting in the suburb between neighbours rather than actually getting power companies to stop profiting off of people while not investing in supplying the services all people want

power companies want power uses to blame each other..
yep look at the fossil debate..
blame power users not the power company burning the fossil fuel

power companies knew over 50 years ago they only had 80 years of fossil reserves left in the ground.. the 2050 date of climate change is significant. because it just so happens to be when fossil fuels run out anyway..
but instead of investing in renewables in the 1980;s they instead funded the US DoD to go to war in the middle east to get at their fossil reserves. to keep fossil industry running.
instead of transitioning and upgrading to renewables. they instead started to blame citizens and people for using plastics and pumping out exhaust fumes out of their cars..
it is all finger pointing by energy produces to shift the blame to people who should fight amungst themselves for using so much and having lame excuses to then charge those users more higher prices.. while still those companies didnt invest in renewables..

normal people do not buiild power plants they pay power companies to cover costs to build power plants.. the problem .. the power companies didnt build power plants.. .. and now they want to blame people for using energy so that it becomes the tax payers burden to give government grants to power companies to be pushed into upgrading.. pfft..

leg-end is pointing his fingers at the wrong people


oh and here is the climax..

asic farms produce no greenhouse gas.. they have no chimney. they have no coal or oil on the facility. no furnace

.. now look were the greenhouse gas actually comes from when energy is produced..
yep..
power plants create greenhouse gas.. not asic farms

i can guarantee you this Leg-end
stand anywhere near a asic mining farm. your lungs will not inhale plumes of carbon
you will not be coughing due to co2 . you wont have that smell in the air of soot


your summer time barbecue of just your one household, emits more smoke than an asic farm does

so point your cries at the actual emitters.. the power stations.
you know the people you pay your bills to with the hope and dream that your electric bill is suppose to pay for your electric by that money being supposedly used to pay for costs of maintenance and upgrades of their power generation facilities. which for as long as you have lived has not been used to make your power utility source go greener.

[DooMAD]

1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized
3.  Proof of Waste will be banned.

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  

Speaking of bans, aren't you evading yours? 

[BlackHatCoiner]

they don't hold water for you , because you are stupid.

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.

just go outside, you have become too stupid to talk too.

which is ban PoW, because the btc cultist are too stupid to fix the energy waste.

What is really amazing is how all PoW supporters are just utter morons.

You're utterly incompetent for dialogue, and that's seriously unfavorable for you. There's no damn way you'll ever move on with life if you keep offending your interlocutors in this manner. Despite being explained to you numerous times that Proof-of-Work comes with benefits that are otherwise impossible to gain, I've concluded that you don't even care about that energy you're constantly whining about, at all.

It's just that decentralized, self-authenticating, unstoppable form of money doesn't meet your ideals. Your perpetual appealing to authority proves it. You don't like us, nor do you accept our arguments as valid, because authorities are number #1 priority for you. Evidence's secondary. You're attacking, because we're justifiably an enemy for you.

You're a psychologically concerning, weak person.

[n0nce]

You're again appealing to authority; if instead you meant to propose their argument as a good one, it's really not. Bitcoin mining is already much greener than the industry average and highly incentivized (financially) to continue in that direction, since mining profits are directly correlated with energy costs and renewables are so cheap.

No , I am linking to what the Authorities are saying they are going to do,
which is ban PoW, because the btc cultist are too stupid to fix the energy waste.

PoW supporters continued stupidly on the mater is what I find insulting.

What is really amazing is how all PoW supporters are just utter morons.

Oh well , your PoW coin waste energy , and you PoW morons waste everyone else time with your stupidity.

You have wasted enough of my time.

Enjoy the 2024 permaban on PoW. 

Why do you only reply to the little side note I posted in the end and not to the thorough argumentation above it? This selective reading / replying (that is a pattern with you, I noticed) is not very convincing.
And do you have any other arguments than 'They will ban it! Every PoW supporter is an idiot!'?

1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized
3.  Proof of Waste will be banned.

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  

Speaking of bans, aren't you evading yours? 

We're in Bitcoin Discussion!

[NotATether]

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Just press the "Ignore" button, there's a reason why this topic is not called "LegendaryK INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM MERGE".

[spectre71]

Riot explains it well.

https://youtu.be/JM1L3Lobdsk

[jrrsparkles]

Here is the link: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/greenpeace-intensifies-campaign-against-bitcoin-after-ethereum-merge.

They just don’t get it. Of course, it is impossible to understand something when their income depends on not understanding it. Well, this is the difference between honesty (Bitcoin) and total moral corruption (Ethereum and the rest of the fiat world).

I repeat. There is no such an invention in PoS. This is the way fiat currencies and even the gold standard worked since the origins of monetary history. All modern nationalized fiat currencies (the USD, the EUR, the GBP, etc.) are already digital and working under the PoS model.  Where is the innovation? Nowhere.

This is the computer versus the typing machine, and old fogeys proposing going back to the typing machine because computers spend energy. Well, you type… I’ll use a computer. Let’s see who wins.

You forgot the blockchain technology of these cryptocurrencies and comparing with existing fiat monetary system which is completely under control of single authority called Central banks.

PoS is not really that bad but ethereum is not actually competing with bitcoin in my opinion, it is trying to up the transaction processing speed since the rivals of ETH like BSC, Tron and others are way ahead and lot cheaper than ethereum for long time.

[cryptosize]

LegendaryKnob would be permabanned in another forum...

[pooya87]

Just press the "Ignore" button, there's a reason why this topic is not called "LegendaryK INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM MERGE".

The problem with ignoring those spreading misinformation is that you won't see it anymore to correct it for everyone else who is also reading this forum. If we don't do that, we suddenly see after years that people still believe in the FUD like those who still think SegWit removes signatures from transactions!

What you shouldn't do is prolong the conversation with users like LegendaryK since at this point I'm convinced he is either trolling or getting paid to spread FUD. In which case I'm wondering how much they're paying him, hopefully he is doing it for $20 since the rate is $5 million these days

[NotATether]

What you shouldn't do is prolong the conversation with users like LegendaryK since at this point I'm convinced he is either trolling or getting paid to spread FUD. In which case I'm wondering how much they're paying him, hopefully he is doing it for $20 since the rate is $5 million these days

Oh don't worry about that, I'm being paid exactly $0 to deploy an anti-FUD gun.  

[franky1]

at minimum wage of $10 an hour for 40 hours a week = $5k a person for 3month usual campaign length

its only 1000 trolls for 3 months

i guess ripple couldnt find its own 1000 idiot army of altcoin supporters

as for what greenpeace is saying. that part is social drama.. its the petition part to government that has more implications

especially if you read the exaggerations of the report that us governments own "experts" have pushed to the decisions makers
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5414147.msg60985112#msg60985112

in short bitcoin uses only 36-57TWH/year using fair efficient asics of the last few years at the years actual hashrate calculation of the network of 192exa average.

 instead of the exaggerated BS numbers oin the report based on older outdated asics of 4-5 years ago and pretending the hashrate was at a constant state of its ATH 230exa constantlt all year long(facepalm)

[pooya87]

at minimum wage of $10 an hour for 40 hours a week = $5k a person for 3month usual campaign length
its only 1000 trolls for 3 months

Jokes aside the effects of a lie told by a "legitimate" face is a lot more effective than the same lie told a thousand times by a thousand trolls. This is why the bullshit Elon Musk spreads against bitcoin spreads more than the same bullshit idiots on bitcointalk, reddit or elsewhere spread.

Not to mention their wider audience. You may suddenly see an idiot in the parliament somewhere referring to such reports as their source of "reliable" information and make decisions that way. Nobody is going to take a trolls post on a forum seriously though.

[JaimeAlejandro]

The bad thing about this is that with the climate sensitivity around the world, the message that Bitcoin is a threat to the environment is getting through.

I’m not so sure this message is getting through. We’re debunking all this lies about BTC and the “climate change” religion. Mass media, governments and their footmen corporations are losing this match. They just are a one-way loudspeaker. You cannot hear what the listeners are saying on the other side of their screens. But we, the common people do. And what are they saying? This is BS.

Just yesterday I was surprised at lunch time at work, when a guy that I would have never thought he was holding such opinion said that... this is all BS. Some guys were talking about news that this autumn is expected to be really hot and dry, and he just said, “how would they know if they cannot even forecast the weather tomorrow? We know. Everybody knows they cannot forecast accurately the weather one day in advance, and they are pretending to know what is going to happen next three months? Give me a break!

So no, the message is not getting through. We’re many, and we’re doing quite a good job when it comes to debunking all these interested liars.

Sure and it can be used as a weapon (it's already been), but that doesn't mean there's no climate change.

No, the fact that governments can weaponize people based on the climate change religion does not prove there's no climate change. That's why I have never said that. What demonstrates it is not real is the rest of my comment that you, obviously, did not read. There is not data to prove climate change. Having you playing stunts with my arguments does not prove yours is right.  

One person, you, or many people saying there is such a “climate change” does not prove there is such change as having everybody saying the Earth is flat, as it already happened along history. A fact does not depend on how many people believes it to be true or false. I do not need to prove it to be false. You, whoever is saying it is true, need to demonstrate it is. Saying, “look, the other day I saw images of a draught, or a flood" does not prove it. Or "oh, look, there’s hurricanes!” And there are a lot more than ever!” Says who? Where is the data to prove your statement? You need to come along with data that demonstrates there is a real change respecting the millions of years the Earth has been turning on. You have no data. No data? No proof. No proof? Climate change does not exist. This is call scientific method. You lack it.
 
Do you believe it does? Some people believe in God. I do not discuss people’s beliefs. Everyone has the right to his own religion. Climate change is a religion. Take it for what it is.