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September 17, 2022, 04:26:25 PM
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Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?
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September 17, 2022, 04:52:03 PM
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There are approximately two things that can stop the Russia-Ukraine thing:
1. Let the US/Nato get out of Russia's back yard... think about how the US would feel if Russia and Canada, or Russia and Mexico, made a deal, and Russia brought Russian troops into Canada or Mexico;
2. Start WW#whateve it might be.

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September 17, 2022, 05:11:46 PM
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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

The trouble is, if NATO left today, the war wouldn't stop today. It would take a little while for Russian police action to make sure of Russia's safety, and Ukraine's safety from the Nazi militants.

And there would still be the question of equitable dealings regarding the land that the 3 big American companies bought from Ukraine, and some of the 46 American backed, Wuhan-style labs that Ukraine has. Some of might have been legal, and still might be legal and right, even in the eyes of Russia.

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September 17, 2022, 09:57:21 PM
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The war is not between Russia and Ukraine, but between NATO and the Russian alliance, and it is taking place on several fronts, including Ukraine and Taiwan, and there is a new front in the Arctic to exert influence over the resources there.

At the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, Russia said it was a special operation that would end when all of its goals were achieved.

More than six months after its launch, it seems that the Russian goals are not the occupation of Ukraine and its annexation to the Russian Federation, as some have imagined. Russia aims to pressure the global economy through the policy of sanctions in exchange for gaining more allies who will enjoy privileges from the Russian economy, including major countries such as India, China and many countries in Africa.

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September 18, 2022, 03:08:21 PM
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Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

The death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will stop this war.

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September 18, 2022, 04:10:38 PM
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The death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will stop this war.
Of all the responses that I have read, I don't think the death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will end the crisis. The soldier is a "tail" operating on orders from the "head", and to cut the tail will only mean that it will grow back, that is Russia can simply send in more troops. But cutting the head will have a better effect, that is if you had said the death of the person who is giving orders to the Russians which is Putin will bring an end to the crisis, I will not dispute.
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September 18, 2022, 04:19:30 PM
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The death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will stop this war.
Of all the responses that I have read, I don't think the death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will end the crisis. The soldier is a "tail" operating on orders from the "head", and to cut the tail will only mean that it will grow back, that is Russia can simply send in more troops. But cutting the head will have a better effect, that is if you had said the death of the person who is giving orders to the Russians which is Putin will bring an end to the crisis, I will not dispute.

I said the last. If you send more, the war will continue until the last one is killed, surrenders, or runs away back to Russia.

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September 18, 2022, 05:34:24 PM
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Definitely only some kind of a miracle Huh
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September 24, 2022, 09:22:51 AM
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Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

This war has caused colossal loss of lives and properties and it is affecting the entire world negatively. I am sure both Ukraine and Russia want peace. Even Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan confirmed that Vladimir Putin wants this war to end. The only thing that can end this war is diplomacy and compromise. But the peace terms would be the main impediment. Russia might want to hold some of the territories it has captured and Ukraine is seeking the total withdrawal of Russian troops from its soil before any peace deal can be discussed. But for peace to reign, each party must ensure that they make sacrifices. Ukraine should pledge not to join NATO and Russia should also agree never to invade Ukraine and take its territories. 

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September 24, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
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Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

This war has caused colossal loss of lives and properties and it is affecting the entire world negatively. I am sure both Ukraine and Russia want peace. Even Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan confirmed that Vladimir Putin wants this war to end. The only thing that can end this war is diplomacy and compromise. But the peace terms would be the main impediment. Russia might want to hold some of the territories it has captured and Ukraine is seeking the total withdrawal of Russian troops from its soil before any peace deal can be discussed. But for peace to reign, each party must ensure that they make sacrifices. Ukraine should pledge not to join NATO and Russia should also agree never to invade Ukraine and take its territories.  

Has the Ukraine joined NATO as of this writing? No! But that doesn't stop NATO soldiers from European NATO countries from fighting there for Ukraine ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413806.msg60949633#msg60949633 ). And it doesn't stop the US from supporting Ukraine with money and armaments.

This means that if Russia agrees to not invade Ukraine, that it is a one-sided deal against Russia. Besides, Russia is only protecting Russians in Ukraine, who have been allowed to live there for ages in the past... because the countries are full of people and children who are mixed Russian and Ukrainian.

The thing that would stop the war is honesty between the countries. Move the US and NATO out. Let Russia trade freely. After all, the US is about freedom, isn't it? So why are they not giving Russia her freedom? Why have they been supporting Ukraine against its own people (Russian Ukrainians) since 2014... and really before this?

The US and the big banking system don't want peace in Ukraine. They want war, and they are proving it.

The good point is, this is the last chance the Big Bankers who control the US and the Ukraine war machine, have. Russia was becoming too strong for them, and that is why they want the war. Who will win? Personally, I am for free, honest trade... both inside nations, and between nations.

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September 24, 2022, 05:20:49 PM
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 There are some selfish persons benefiting from this war,these persons need to back off first, NATO should leave Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine should have a dialogue to make peace. Russia thought it was some normal they can do to Ukraine not knowing that Ukraine will be supported by the US. This makes the war difficult for Russia.

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September 24, 2022, 05:37:38 PM
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Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?

The death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will stop this war.
one will think this would have stopped the war until you get to know the plan of the Government to mobilize the citizens with no prior military training into the army. He is doing it out of their will and 300k army is meant to mobilized in coming days, another source said 1.2 million. sadly this is not the first time Russia is doing it, the last time also failed. This is not a country that encourage immigrants, so the citizens are the victims. A war the trained soldier could not win, how will the untrained perform better?  A lot of the citizens are looking for avenue to travel out, some looking for scholarship, some through cars, boat, to add salt to their injuries the flight fee has gone up. Everyone is the target even the well educated

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September 24, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
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Besides, Russia is only protecting Russians in Ukraine, who have been allowed to live there for ages in the past... because the countries are full of people and children who are mixed Russian and Ukrainian.

russia does not protect anyone in Ukraine, it kills civilians, destroys civilian infrastructure.
russia is a monster capable only of destruction, but not of creation.

and therefore, Carthage must be destroyed!

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September 24, 2022, 07:59:52 PM
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I was just enjoying the speech of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the United Nations General Assembly, confirming his country's insistence on ending what he calls the military mission in Ukraine, which he claims is aimed at protecting minorities.

At the same time, Putin issued a decree to partially prepare reservists (approximately 300,000 volunteer soldiers), after the Kremlin issued a decision to imprison for up to ten years for those who refuse to enlist or do not perform their duties while serving. Reports mention the arrest of more than 700 people who refused the recruitment process, in addition to many of them fleeing to neighboring countries.

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September 24, 2022, 09:25:53 PM
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Definitely only some kind of a miracle Huh

Like Putin having a heart attack. Death is no joke but this bastard deserves it.

The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

Really? Are you saying that NATO made Russian savages murder people and put them in mass graves?
There are no NATO forces in Ukraine. Did NATO destroy a single house in Russia?




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September 24, 2022, 09:43:38 PM
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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

What happened today proves that the objectives of the military operation against Ukraine were not to protect the Russian borders from NATO's military expansion. Today began the process of local referendum in four Ukrainian regions to vote on joining Russia. Non-governmental organizations assert that the referendum is sham and that these provinces were actually annexed to Russia by its military surrender to Russian forces.

With the increase in the number of Russian soldiers in the war after the call-up of the reserve forces today, other regions will be the target of Russian expansion.

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I was just enjoying the speech of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the United Nations General Assembly, confirming his country's insistence on ending what he calls the military mission in Ukraine, which he claims is aimed at protecting minorities.

At the same time, Putin issued a decree to partially prepare reservists (approximately 300,000 volunteer soldiers), after the Kremlin issued a decision to imprison for up to ten years for those who refuse to enlist or do not perform their duties while serving. Reports mention the arrest of more than 700 people who refused the recruitment process, in addition to many of them fleeing to neighboring countries.
What a speech, they really believe that they're the ones who's in the correct path. I'm seeing that it's unlikely that we'll see the end of this war.

And with that ruling about recruiting and encouraging their citizens to be reservists with that punishment of being put in prison for declining, that's certainly one thing that trying to say that their people have no option to choose.

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September 24, 2022, 11:47:54 PM
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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.


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September 25, 2022, 12:12:12 AM
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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.



So the NATO indirectly attached with the Ukraine and Russia doesn't want that.
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The Russian leader's initial aim was to overrun Ukraine and depose its government, ending for good its desire to join the Western defensive alliance Nato.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

So here you can see that the Russia doesn't want that the Ukraine join the NATO.

Of course the main point is that, Russia wants back the Ukraine but the NATO is helping the Ukraine so the Russia against it and Russia thinks that if the Nato will do its activities in Ukraine so Nato can attack on Russia any time.

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The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.



So the NATO indirectly attached with the Ukraine and Russia doesn't want that.
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The Russian leader's initial aim was to overrun Ukraine and depose its government, ending for good its desire to join the Western defensive alliance Nato.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

So here you can see that the Russia doesn't want that the Ukraine join the NATO.

Of course the main point is that, Russia wants back the Ukraine but the NATO is helping the Ukraine so the Russia against it and Russia thinks that if the Nato will do its activities in Ukraine so Nato can attack on Russia any time.
The damage has already been made - and the world has already been bleeding
The wars and chaos which Russia has created has shown the side effects and there is economic crisis in the whole world already

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