What can stop the Russia-Ukraine crisis.

[ThemePen]

The damage has already been made - and the world has already been bleeding
The wars and chaos which Russia has created has shown the side effects and there is economic crisis in the whole world already

Many countries are in grip of economic crisis. We have an example of Sri Lanka.
Don't know when the world will be in peace environment, but now, Russia Ukraine, China Korea, India Pakistan and USA China conflicts are destroying the peace of world.
They should settle down and should solve the situation with peace talk.

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[Tiktok15]

The money crisis did not give, it gave the demand of the people, it is now failing in all the countries due to the new needs. So there seems to be a shortage of money.

[electronicash]

Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago.. or had NATO not offered promise to Ukraine for membership. Had zelensky and Putin talked just before invasion. Things could have been different for all....There were times when war could have been stalled, but no one did.now here we are..

that was about to happen to resolve issues through diplomacy but PM Boris Johnson stopped the peacetalk.
its almost uncontrolled now because they are now threatening nuclear war. its not good for all of us. the recent update is that China is willing to facilitate peaceful negotiation. this must be something to consider with cooler heads. this has to stop because winter is coming.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pressing-priority-ukraine-is-facilitate-peace-talks-china-says-2022-09-24/

[af_newbie]

Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago.. or had NATO not offered promise to Ukraine for membership. Had zelensky and Putin talked just before invasion. Things could have been different for all....There were times when war could have been stalled, but no one did.now here we are..

that was about to happen to resolve issues through diplomacy but PM Boris Johnson stopped the peacetalk.
its almost uncontrolled now because they are now threatening nuclear war. its not good for all of us. the recent update is that China is willing to facilitate peaceful negotiation. this must be something to consider with cooler heads. this has to stop because winter is coming.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pressing-priority-ukraine-is-facilitate-peace-talks-china-says-2022-09-24/

The negotiations will only be possible when the Russian army leaves Ukraine, one way or another.

There will be no negotiations with Ukraine unless the Russians go home or are eliminated.

[suchmoon]

Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

[bitgov]

Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

[BADecker]

Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

Big Money is behind the US push in Ukraine. And Big Money doesn't care about people... only more money.

A sudden reduction to $0.00 in the value of the US dollar would stop the war over night

[af_newbie]

Think of it.. had zelensky gave up the donbask region. (Crimea was a gift to them afterall) had Putin and zelensky sat for a solution some 4years ago..

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

Big Money is behind the US push in Ukraine. And Big Money doesn't care about people... only more money.

A sudden reduction to $0.00 in the value of the US dollar would stop the war over night

The price of oil below $60 for six months would collapse the Russian Federation. 

Contractors will not fight for free. Factory workers will not work for free.

This war will be won on the economic front.

[BADecker]

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

The price of oil below $60 for six months would collapse the Russian Federation.  

Contractors will not fight for free. Factory workers will not work for free.

This war will be won on the economic front.

If the value of the USD was $0.00 at the same time, $60 a barrel for Russian oil wouldn't be significant in the world. Nations would be buying oil from Russia in gold and silver... and whatever else Russia demanded of them.

[ThemePen]

The main issue is NATO. If Nato leave the Ukraine and doesn't make any deal with Ukraine so the Russia will skip the War. And if it continues so the crisis will never end.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.

So the NATO indirectly attached with the Ukraine and Russia doesn't want that.

The Russian leader's initial aim was to overrun Ukraine and depose its government, ending for good its desire to join the Western defensive alliance Nato.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

So here you can see that the Russia doesn't want that the Ukraine join the NATO.

Of course the main point is that, Russia wants back the Ukraine but the NATO is helping the Ukraine so the Russia against it and Russia thinks that if the Nato will do its activities in Ukraine so Nato can attack on Russia any time.

this war is against Russia and Nato, Ukraine is just playing the script of Nato. It's quite unfortunate that war that would have been avoided escalating daily, because of selfish interest of Nato. Nato should withdraw their support to ukrian and you will see the war end naturally.all blame are on Nato.

Exactly that was the point. Which I was pointing out. Russia is against Ukraine just due to Nato. And now the war is in between Russia and Nato and the Ukraine is only on the screen to display the role, and world is thinking that the war is in between Russia and Ukraine but that's wrong.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. And if Russia nuked the US, or if the US nuked Russia, then China would take over, followed by India or Pakistan. And neither Russia nor the US is in bed well enough with China to know that China would be on their side when the nuke mushrooms died down. Probably China would simply take over.

The US is pretty popular, but it is on the decline, mostly because of its fake money. The world is starting to see that US money really isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

And Russia, while having a government similar to China's in some ways, just isn't big enough to win big enough against the US... big enough to keep themselves from being destroyed in the process.

The larger nations kinda like the success that US money has brought them, even if US forces around the world have more or less manipulated and conquered them in some ways. Nobody wants the success to die.

A nuke war would wipe out most of the relative success and relative peace in the world. It would wipe out Internet communications, at least in the free-ish way that many people have been using the Internet internationally nowadays.

The start for stopping the Ukraine war is for people to recognize that it is the US that is pushing the war... very sneakily, and very illegally, even against US laws and principles. But people should, also, recognize that nobody knows if Russia would truly stop its aggression if the US stopped theirs.

What fun! Maybe it's a good thing that we only live just these few short decades. After all, do we really want to see continual wars that we can't do anything about?

[LTU_btc]

this war is against Russia and Nato, Ukraine is just playing the script of Nato. It's quite unfortunate that war that would have been avoided escalating daily, because of selfish interest of Nato. Nato should withdraw their support to ukrian and you will see the war end naturally.all blame are on Nato.

Ukraine should stop playing the script of Nato, this war is against Russia and nato. It's quite unfortunate. That war that would've ended since is still escalating till date.
Secondly, Ukraine should go and  apologize to their senior brother Russia. Because Nato can't love them than Russia

president zelensky is a comedian, he thinks he's shooting a skit.  He knows he does not have the power to fight Russia, but he still went ahead to try his lucky Through the invisible hands of Nato. I'll advise him to drop weapons to save his country from more destruction. It's obvious Nato is playing on his intelligence

LOL, from your post it looks that Ukraine attacked Russia. How they're escalating war if Ukraine is just defending their own land. You're trying to make image that they attack Russia. You're probably right that without NATO support this war would had ended already. But outcome of it probably would be occupation of huge part of Ukraine or maybe end of story of Ukraine as independent state.
Apologize Russia? Lol, for waht? You must be living in alternative reality if you're seriously posting such stuff.

[suchmoon]

LOL, from your post it looks that Ukraine attacked Russia. How they're escalating war if Ukraine is just defending their own land. You're trying to make image that they attack Russia. You're probably right that without NATO support this war would had ended already. But outcome of it probably would be occupation of huge part of Ukraine or maybe end of story of Ukraine as independent state.
Apologize Russia? Lol, for waht? You must be living in alternative reality if you're seriously posting such stuff.

I'd give that one the benefit of the doubt and assume that's just a shitposter trying to meet their quota.

But otherwise I'm amazed at the number of lemmings chanting Putin's propaganda here. War with NATO LOL... why doesn't he try invading NATO countries to teach them a lesson. Impotent gnome.

[BADecker]

LOL, from your post it looks that Ukraine attacked Russia. How they're escalating war if Ukraine is just defending their own land. You're trying to make image that they attack Russia. You're probably right that without NATO support this war would had ended already. But outcome of it probably would be occupation of huge part of Ukraine or maybe end of story of Ukraine as independent state.
Apologize Russia? Lol, for waht? You must be living in alternative reality if you're seriously posting such stuff.

I'd give that one the benefit of the doubt and assume that's just a shitposter trying to meet their quota.

But otherwise I'm amazed at the number of lemmings chanting Putin's propaganda here. War with NATO LOL... why doesn't he try invading NATO countries to teach them a lesson. Impotent gnome.

I'm amazed that anybody would think that Russian strength is so weak. If NATO is so strong, why don't they just invade Russia and put an end to all the fighting? They can't. Russia is too strong.

Russia just might become the future for all of us.

[bitgov]

I'm amazed that anybody would think that Russian strength is so weak. If NATO is so strong, why don't they just invade Russia and put an end to all the fighting? They can't. Russia is too strong.

Russia just might become the future for all of us.

We have all the forums - discussing about Ukraine and Russia war.
There are so many other countries - where the atrocities are going on and no one is discussed it - because they believed that they deserve it - but I am glad at least EU stood up for Ukraine - although they all are in trouble too - due to lack of oil and gas.

[BADecker]

I'm amazed that anybody would think that Russian strength is so weak. If NATO is so strong, why don't they just invade Russia and put an end to all the fighting? They can't. Russia is too strong.

Russia just might become the future for all of us.

We have all the forums - discussing about Ukraine and Russia war.
There are so many other countries - where the atrocities are going on and no one is discussed it - because they believed that they deserve it - but I am glad at least EU stood up for Ukraine - although they all are in trouble too - due to lack of oil and gas.

The thing that most people don't understand is what this Ukraine war is all about. Under the whole thing, this war is a fight to the death between two money systems... the debt backed money system of the US and Europe, and the value backed money system of Russia and much of the rest of the world.

The government and banks of the US tricked the people of the US into financing the banks, without even realizing what they (the people) were doing. Most elected US government people don't even recognize it. Even Ron Paul, who for years was on some money committee in the US Federal government, and who speaks out against the Federal Reserve Bank in books that he has written, never speaks out about the real way the US people have financed the banks.

I don't really know if he understands or not, or if he realizes that if people understood how the banks have screwed them over royally, there would be such a big revolt among the people, that it might destroy the US.

Anybody who supports the US, Nato, and the Ukraine, is really supporting a financial system that is screwing the world. The whole US banking system is like a big fat Ponzi scheme.

[bitgov]

I'm amazed that anybody would think that Russian strength is so weak. If NATO is so strong, why don't they just invade Russia and put an end to all the fighting? They can't. Russia is too strong.

Russia just might become the future for all of us.

We have all the forums - discussing about Ukraine and Russia war.
There are so many other countries - where the atrocities are going on and no one is discussed it - because they believed that they deserve it - but I am glad at least EU stood up for Ukraine - although they all are in trouble too - due to lack of oil and gas.

The thing that most people don't understand is what this Ukraine war is all about. Under the whole thing, this war is a fight to the death between two money systems... the debt backed money system of the US and Europe, and the value backed money system of Russia and much of the rest of the world.

The government and banks of the US tricked the people of the US into financing the banks, without even realizing what they (the people) were doing. Most elected US government people don't even recognize it. Even Ron Paul, who for years was on some money committee in the US Federal government, and who speaks out against the Federal Reserve Bank in books that he has written, never speaks out about the real way the US people have financed the banks.

I don't really know if he understands or not, or if he realizes that if people understood how the banks have screwed them over royally, there would be such a big revolt among the people, that it might destroy the US.

Anybody who supports the US, Nato, and the Ukraine, is really supporting a financial system that is screwing the world. The whole US banking system is like a big fat Ponzi scheme.

Still the point made in the earlier comment is different and it is we are only talking about Ukraine war but there are already so many wars going on in the world.
No One took any stand against them - have you seen people falling from USA C-130 when they were making a quick exit from Afghanistan - one of the persons who fell from the aircraft was dentist - that is how people are dying all over the world

[BADecker]

The thing that most people don't understand is what this Ukraine war is all about. Under the whole thing, this war is a fight to the death between two money systems... the debt backed money system of the US and Europe, and the value backed money system of Russia and much of the rest of the world.

The government and banks of the US tricked the people of the US into financing the banks, without even realizing what they (the people) were doing. Most elected US government people don't even recognize it. Even Ron Paul, who for years was on some money committee in the US Federal government, and who speaks out against the Federal Reserve Bank in books that he has written, never speaks out about the real way the US people have financed the banks.

I don't really know if he understands or not, or if he realizes that if people understood how the banks have screwed them over royally, there would be such a big revolt among the people, that it might destroy the US.

Anybody who supports the US, Nato, and the Ukraine, is really supporting a financial system that is screwing the world. The whole US banking system is like a big fat Ponzi scheme.

Still the point made in the earlier comment is different and it is we are only talking about Ukraine war but there are already so many wars going on in the world.
No One took any stand against them - have you seen people falling from USA C-130 when they were making a quick exit from Afghanistan - one of the persons who fell from the aircraft was dentist - that is how people are dying all over the world

People and governments around the world often fight with each other. And often their fighting is because the US (CIA) has infiltrated them for US goals... which involve money and banking with the US Ponzi banking system.

The point is, even though the Russian Bolshevik Revolution was set in place by the US banking system, Russia is one of few countries in the world that is successfully resisting what the US is doing.

Why would anyone want the US that wouldn't even let them get on the plane (Afghanistan) safely. I mean, this part of the US that is involved inn world affairs is screwing people over. Dentists even die over it.

Russia is far from perfect. But at least it has seen through the US banking Ponzi enough that it is resisting the US.

[Cryptock]

The point is, even though the Russian Bolshevik Revolution was set in place by the US banking system, Russia is one of few countries in the world that is successfully resisting what the US is doing.

Why would anyone want the US that wouldn't even let them get on the plane (Afghanistan) safely. I mean, this part of the US that is involved inn world affairs is screwing people over. Dentists even die over it.

Russia is far from perfect. But at least it has seen through the US banking Ponzi enough that it is resisting the US.

There is so much damage the wars and COVID has already done to the world.
The world is bleeding and there is nothing which can help healing the world - the war lord are trading deaths all over the world at the cost of peace.

[BADecker]

The point is, even though the Russian Bolshevik Revolution was set in place by the US banking system, Russia is one of few countries in the world that is successfully resisting what the US is doing.

Why would anyone want the US that wouldn't even let them get on the plane (Afghanistan) safely. I mean, this part of the US that is involved inn world affairs is screwing people over. Dentists even die over it.

Russia is far from perfect. But at least it has seen through the US banking Ponzi enough that it is resisting the US.

There is so much damage the wars and COVID has already done to the world.
The world is bleeding and there is nothing which can help healing the world - the war lord are trading deaths all over the world at the cost of peace.

You have hit the nail on the head. What I mean is, did you ever notice how nature wants to live? People fight to live. Animals and plants fight to live. Even the few trees that are thousands of years old, have only sustained themselves by being renewed with new parts while the old ones die.

People believe and feel that there is benefit to life. Yet, history shows us that we all died. Or, have you found somebody who is, say, 300 years old... or older, and still alive? I'm not saying that there isn't someone like that. But if there is, it isn't common knowledge.

The point is, God made living things to want to live. And because people are important to Him, He gave them a way to live. The way is by believing in Jesus-salvation. God's Son, Jesus, was strong enough to take the death consequences for all of us, and then to arise from the dead 3 days following His own death.

Now, Jesus, Who is alive, offers life to everybody simply by believing in Him that He is offering this life to everybody. Faith in Him now = eternal life at the Resurrection. No faith in Him now = eternal damnation following the Resurrection.

It's a long story. And I don't like the idea of dying any more than most people. So, get a copy of the Bible in your native language, and start reading (or find someone who will read to you) at the beginning of the New Testament, the Book of Matthew. If you find it hard to believe, consult scholars who can show you that the nation of Ancient Israel was faithful in writing Bible history.