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October 04, 2022, 12:47:08 PM
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I am not find any connection with Spot, Margin or Derivatives for long term investment. Spot, Margin or Derivatives just a different trading system. if you want to keep holding your investment coins then you must keep your coins on your personal wallet or any exchange long time as much as you want. here spot can help you if you want to hold your coins in any exchange account

Tbh, I was confused and was like have I been doing the wrong thing this while? I know the future and margin options are for day traders and not for longterm investors. I am investing on a long term and I do that not on an exchange but in a personal wallet that I don't access often.
Even a friend of mine went to cold storage, I was just reasoning how he will begin to apply future trading in his cold storage.
The options Op listed above are for trading and not for long investing, unless he keeps his coins in an exchange for long investment, which is not ideal.

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October 07, 2022, 05:44:52 PM
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I feel like the question could be would you prefer long term? derivatives? spot? margin trading? Like not which of these three for long term, but more like which of these four would you prefer? That is why I was thinking about long term would be better for me, but that's a personal thing and I prefer it that way, maybe I am wrong, maybe you would be better with margin trading, maybe the other person would be better at spot, it all depends on what you are accustomed to do.

Simply, doing DCA with bitcoin for years to decade would be the better option for all of us who believe into the future of bitcoins. Buy bitcoins regularly and send it to your cold wallet and track your progress in bitcoin explorer and that's all; finally you will find yourself a millionaire without risking in any type of trading.

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October 07, 2022, 11:45:47 PM
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Spot is the most productive side for the long long term investment as Low risk and also highly recommend for maximum profits. I know that Future trade is more attractive in term of the profits but as there is high risk for the investment according to the market sentiments in long term there is no place for the Future trade. Spot is a best option where surety of profits can be managed.

I highly agree I have lost a lot of money on future trading, and I would say that spot trading is recommended since you can only get an impermanent loss while you can gain profit over time if the market goes up again.

And spot trading can only be the same as futures trading if you trade with bigger funds or volume.
Futures and spot could really be never the same.You are simply contradicting on what you are saying.Speaking about impermanent loss then thats the beauty when you do spot.
When you are just still a noob then it would be that sensible and understandable that you shouldnt really touch up things which does require sufficient skills and experience
in the market.Dont make yourself in a hurry so that you wouldnt be ending up lots of mistakes.

You'll find out soon whenever you do able to experience futures/leverage or derivatives.
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October 08, 2022, 04:10:40 AM
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Spot is the most productive side for the long long term investment as Low risk and also highly recommend for maximum profits. I know that Future trade is more attractive in term of the profits but as there is high risk for the investment according to the market sentiments in long term there is no place for the Future trade. Spot is a best option where surety of profits can be managed.

I highly agree I have lost a lot of money on future trading, and I would say that spot trading is recommended since you can only get an impermanent loss while you can gain profit over time if the market goes up again.

And spot trading can only be the same as futures trading if you trade with bigger funds or volume.
Futures and spot could really be never the same.You are simply contradicting on what you are saying.Speaking about impermanent loss then thats the beauty when you do spot.
When you are just still a noob then it would be that sensible and understandable that you shouldnt really touch up things which does require sufficient skills and experience
in the market.Dont make yourself in a hurry so that you wouldnt be ending up lots of mistakes.

You'll find out soon whenever you do able to experience futures/leverage or derivatives.
today many novice traders even directly trade futures. no matter where they learn from, but without enough experience, futures trading will only lose their money.
if they profit from trading futures, I guess it's just a coincidence of their guesswork.
spot trading I think will be more friendly, for beginners or even those who are already pros. because some traders do like the spot and don't like other trades.

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October 08, 2022, 04:42:20 AM
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Spot is the most productive side for the long long term investment as Low risk and also highly recommend for maximum profits. I know that Future trade is more attractive in term of the profits but as there is high risk for the investment according to the market sentiments in long term there is no place for the Future trade. Spot is a best option where surety of profits can be managed.

I highly agree I have lost a lot of money on future trading, and I would say that spot trading is recommended since you can only get an impermanent loss while you can gain profit over time if the market goes up again.

And spot trading can only be the same as futures trading if you trade with bigger funds or volume.
Futures and spot could really be never the same.You are simply contradicting on what you are saying.Speaking about impermanent loss then thats the beauty when you do spot.
When you are just still a noob then it would be that sensible and understandable that you shouldnt really touch up things which does require sufficient skills and experience
in the market.Dont make yourself in a hurry so that you wouldnt be ending up lots of mistakes.

You'll find out soon whenever you do able to experience futures/leverage or derivatives.
today many novice traders even directly trade futures. no matter where they learn from, but without enough experience, futures trading will only lose their money.
if they profit from trading futures, I guess it's just a coincidence of their guesswork.
spot trading I think will be more friendly, for beginners or even those who are already pros. because some traders do like the spot and don't like other trades.

It's sad that so many newbies try futures trading without learning it first. The newbie wasted his money in vain, and the annoying thing is that
there are some newbies who have lost their money due to losing in futures trading, so blaming crypto as a whole, just because they don't accept
the losses they've suffered. That's because too many influencers who show off their success make huge profits from futures trading. So many
newbies are influenced by these influencers, which is why newbies should be willing to check every information they get.  So don't just believe
what other people say.

In fact, futures trading is not for everyone, because the risk is very high. Only people who have good trading skills and are also experienced in
the crypto world, can generate satisfactory profits from futures trading. Because for me futures trading is the highest level in the crypto world.
Therefore, if we want to succeed in futures trading, we must start mastering spot trading first. So there must be stages that must be passed first
before we finally try futures trading.

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October 08, 2022, 01:13:27 PM
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That's what makes Margin or Derivatives risk bigger than spot trading. only in spot trading, of course, have to choose the right asset. if the wrong choice of assets, of course, the long term or short term will be useless.
Margin and derivatives trading are for risk takers. It has more risk than Spot trading. If a trader can not succeed in Spot trading, it is impossible to succeed in Margin and Derivatives tradings.

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people with simple market analysis skills, of course, prefer spot trading. this will make the trader less risky, not without risk. because all trades I think have their level of risk.
You are right that Spot trading is easier to handle and if you fail with your analysis or projection but you pick a good asset like Bitcoin, you can turn from trading to long term holding. It is still good enough.

Back to topic title and discussion, personally it is incorrect to include Spot, Margin and Derivatives into Long term investment. These ones are trading, not investment. Investment means buying something, Bitcoin ie. and store it in your non custodial wallet a long time.

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October 10, 2022, 09:02:01 AM
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3 - If I've understood both the above scenarios correctly, what is the benefit in using Spot or Margin? It seems to me that Derivatives does exactly the same as Spot and Margin with the added benefit of additional leverage if required! Is that not right?

I'm wondering why not just buy on spot so it would be also stress free for you? I haven't seen anyone that invested in derivatives for their long term investment in crypto. There is also funding fee on derivatives which increases your liquidation price as long as the trade is open. You'll just lose money again if you're really planning to open a position at $14k and leave it for a long time. No one knows if your target price of $56k will certainly happen next. What if bitcoin's price will just consolidate between  $15k-20k for some years then your suppossed to be profit just went to funding fee.
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October 10, 2022, 02:18:22 PM
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Spot is the most productive side for the long long term investment as Low risk and also highly recommend for maximum profits. I know that Future trade is more attractive in term of the profits but as there is high risk for the investment according to the market sentiments in long term there is no place for the Future trade. Spot is a best option where surety of profits can be managed.

I highly agree I have lost a lot of money on future trading, and I would say that spot trading is recommended since you can only get an impermanent loss while you can gain profit over time if the market goes up again.

And spot trading can only be the same as futures trading if you trade with bigger funds or volume.
Futures and spot could really be never the same.You are simply contradicting on what you are saying.Speaking about impermanent loss then thats the beauty when you do spot.
When you are just still a noob then it would be that sensible and understandable that you shouldnt really touch up things which does require sufficient skills and experience
in the market.Dont make yourself in a hurry so that you wouldnt be ending up lots of mistakes.

You'll find out soon whenever you do able to experience futures/leverage or derivatives.
today many novice traders even directly trade futures. no matter where they learn from, but without enough experience, futures trading will only lose their money.
if they profit from trading futures, I guess it's just a coincidence of their guesswork.
spot trading I think will be more friendly, for beginners or even those who are already pros. because some traders do like the spot and don't like other trades.
I think that by jumping right in and trying future trading without maximum preparation, of course it's just a waste of time and in the end we lose money easily,
think well before doing something and make sure we have the knowledge and skills,
obviously don't try to play in crypto because the risk is losing money

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