Controversies surrounding account connection

[Abbati]

After going through several posts and rules that guides this forum, I found out that most people found to be creating their own rules at the detriment of others. A clear example of such can be seen in here. There are more related of this kind here that accuse users of doing one of these:

- You will be suspected to be using or controlling more than one account when you receive or send some payment or merit to a particular account often.

- You will be suspected of using multiple account if in anyway your writing style is the same with another user.

There is no place among the rules that guides this forum, that is stated that someone who is found of doing this, is going against the rules. It is clearly stated that having multiple accounts is allowed.

My question now is, is it a violation of law for hunters to send token to one another? Even if the linking address has nothing to do with the forum like in their POA? Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?
It's like a depriving of freedom preventing users from sending and receiving token outside the forum.

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[Charles-Tim]

We have a moderator with alt on this forum and he joined two different campaigns, but keep the rules and also doing away with what could make other people to tag him. Another is LoyceV that a campaign manager (Icopress) invited him to join Cloudbet campaign with his alt. In fact there are some other alts. But keeping to the rules and staying away from what other forum users can  frown to.

You can have alt and still be a reputed member on this forum as long as you keep to the forum rules. But not only that, to what also you know people would not take politely. Example, as it is stated on each campaign to never join with alt. Joining same campaign with alt, and later known could get your account tagged with neutral or negative trust.

If you have alt and you did not act like two different people in cases like voting, competition, joining campaign and the likes, then you are good. About merit, why meriting your alt, that is uncalled for. Just continue to post good and let both rank up.  (not you this is about, but people that are involved)

Before people can conclude that someone is an alt, there would have been concrete evidences. That is why some people are alleged of having alt, but no evidence, or enough evidence to prove it.

[Solosanz]

There is no place among the rules that guides this forum, that is stated that someone who is found of doing this, is going against the rules. It is clearly stated that having multiple accounts is allowed.

Who said those suspect are included on forum rules? it's handled case by case, similar like how reported post will be market either good, bad or soft-bad since it depends on the moderator decision.

The forum rules doesn't include if two user using same Bitcoin address are indeed controlled by one person, but anyone who understand Bitcoin will know if it's definitely controlled by one person. Can you imagine if forum rules will state how to catch multiple accounts? of course everyone will learn to find another way in order to evade from that's rules, not all rules should be written!

@OP seems have many accounts in this forum that the sole purpose is to milking this forum Low quality posts or abuse of trust?

[rozak]

- You will be suspected to be using or controlling more than one account when you receive or send some payment or merit to a particular account often.

- You will be suspected of using multiple account if in anyway your writing style is the same with another user.

yes, it will only be suspected if all of them can carry out actions that harm others or misuse alt to join the same campaign.
but it will not proceed to the act of negative tagging if no other supporting evidence is found.

It is clearly stated that having multiple accounts is allowed.

That's true, but you shouldn't swallow the statement without digesting it. lots of mistakes made with their alt because of. they didn't reveal from the start that the accounts were his alt. then deliberately joined the same campaign, which had ruled against it all.
So now you know the truth and the wrong?

It's like a depriving of freedom preventing users from sending and receiving token outside the forum.

as I said above, all done because of supporting evidence.
if anyone feels his rights have been taken away because the investigator's accusation is wrong. Of course, there will always be room for defense.

most of those who were tagged left no comments and chose to go and create a new account because they knew what they were doing was wrong.
if anyone comes, they just ask questions without providing any proof of defense. That's what happened today.

[Awaklara]

My question now is, is it a violation of law for hunters to send token to one another? Even if the linking address has nothing to do with the forum like in their POA? Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?
It's like a depriving of freedom preventing users from sending and receiving token outside the forum.

there is nothing wrong with trading tokens from the bounty campaign. it's legit.
but if there is any indication of cheating in the bounty campaign, of course, it becomes not allowed.
as @rozak said, it will need supporting evidence.

Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?

neutral marking for alt accounts would be appropriate. the evidence provided will still be valid even if not following the same campaign. but if the alt account has joined the same campaign. negative tag to be given.
some investigators also understand this. even if there is a tagging error, of course, the tagger must be willing to replace or delete the given tag.

However, we cannot use rules to conduct such investigations in one way. it is handled case by case. there is no depriving of freedom of members who transact in the forum or outside the forum.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Your illustrative example clearly shows that these accounts violate the rules of certain companies, namely, all of them, join the bounty, in which there is a ban on the participation of alternative accounts. Where do you see here transactions in one wallet or exchange between them?
A blind person will also notice that all these accounts operate strictly according to the set parameters, these are not just a few people, these are the most common bots.
And yes, the forum allows you to have multiple alternative accounts, but not everyone who wants to milk the forum has a sense of proportion, and this is what causes concern.

[yahoo62278]

Bounty hunters honestly are held to a different set of rules I think. There are so many cheaters that participate in bounties and some users have found that they can build a reputation here by calling out and exposing those cheaters. The forum has also heard every story when it comes to account connections. My uncle, my brother, sister, aunt, wifes aunts sisters cousin, and so on that we just don't buy it anymore.

Yes alts are allowed, but enrolling in the same campaign is not. That's what might lead to your account being tagged.

[Stalker22]

There is no place among the rules that guides this forum, that is stated that someone who is found of doing this, is going against the rules. It is clearly stated that having multiple accounts is allowed.

This is only partly true. It is true that having alternate accounts is not explicitly prohibited by the forum rules, but it may constitute a violation of established community norms as well as local campaign rules set by campaign managers. Of course, there are legitimate reasons for having an alternate account, but there are numerous situations in which using an alternate account is immoral, to say the least. For example, you are not allowed to use an alternate account for: evading a ban, bumping your own thread excessively, creating fake conversations between multiple accounts, participating in contests or bounty campaigns if prohibited by campaign rules, etc.

My question now is, is it a violation of law for hunters to send token to one another? Even if the linking address has nothing to do with the forum like in their POA? Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?

It depends on a case-by-case basis. Token transactions can be used to strengthen suspicion, but they are not necessarily evidence in themselves. Besides, the accusation itself carries no particular consequences other than inviting discussion.

It's like a depriving of freedom preventing users from sending and receiving token outside the forum.

I do not see how that would be possible.

[The Cryptovator]

Long ago connected address was a matter of detecting alt accounts. But nowadays I don't see many allegations based on connected addresses unless there are some other solid proofs. No one making their own rules here, just follow-up forum rules. Alt accounts aren't against forum rules, but abusing with is crime here. So other forum users will up this kind of abuse. We need a clean forum, not abuse or crime.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?
It's like a depriving of freedom preventing users from sending and receiving token outside the forum.

Where's that picture of the account farm from a few years ago?  I thought I had it downloaded, but I can't find it.

OP, you've gotten good answers to your question but I'll just add this: if coins/tokens are found to be sent back and forth between bounty hunters and those accounts in turn get accused of being alts, it's because there's been so much documented abuse in bounties that it's safer (and probably more accurate) to assume it's a case of someone abusing a bounty by using multiple accounts than it is to think tokens--usually worthless--are being sent to friends, family members, or whoever.

TL;DR: History has shown that those suspicions and accusations have usually been proven correct.

[_BlackStar]

- You will be suspected of using multiple account if in anyway your writing style is the same with another user.

One may suspect that other people are alt especially when the two accounts are connected to each other, but alt is allowed. It's just that you shouldn't use your alt to cheat a campaign that could get both of your accounts tagged.

You can even have more than one account as long as you can comply with the rules and norms of the forum that apply in the community, you will be safe because of it. But alas, many of them abuse their alt to greedily cheat campaigns so that they actually violate which will then only damage the reputation of the account.

[Rikafip]

Where's that picture of the account farm from a few years ago?  I thought I had it downloaded, but I can't find it.

I guess that's the one you are referring to. Make sure to save it this time.

My question now is, is it a violation of law for hunters to send token to one another? Even if the linking address has nothing to do with the forum like in their POA? Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?

There is nothing wrong with sending tokens to each other, but problem start once it showed that accounts involved joined the same campaign. While it may very well be the case of a completely different people sending tokens to each and noit one person, that excuse has been so many times before by bounty abusers that no one will buy it anymore.

[Solosanz]

creating fake conversations between multiple accounts

I'll add this doesn't include on the Unofficial forum rules but it's somewhat like an unwritten rule.

There's many unwritten rules to prove an account connection in this forum, but if we're keep discuss and reveal it to everyone, those fraudsters will be smart to hide their connection lol.

I'd say bounty hunter accounts are mostly useless since it's either newbie or high rank account with negative tagged, they have nothing to lose here.

[_BlackStar]

There is nothing wrong with sending tokens to each other, but problem start once it showed that accounts involved joined the same campaign.

True, problems will arise when they are proven to abuse their account to join the same campaign. The explanation here is pretty self-explanatory because I've never come across a campaign or bounty that allows multiple accounts. So when they are found guilty then the tag is the consequence they will accept.

I very rarely expose newbie who joining the same campaign, meanwhile I have nothing against others wanting to do so. The problem is, this case looks like it will never be resolved so I can honestly think that eventually the thread - Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2022 Q3) [MODERATED] - will archive hundreds of dozen newbie per year. There are very few newbie who will make excuses and try to explain what the problem is, while thousands of others will create new accounts to do the same job.

[noorman0]

It's like a depriving of freedom preventing users from sending and receiving token outside the forum.

That's fine, but the motives of cheat hunters can actually be identified by some research methods (though I rarely get involved in revealing these cheat hunters).
The point is that it is impossible by coincidence that token sending is always only carried out by between 2-3 address even at close times and all of them always join the same bounties.

[Smartvirus]

This is only partly true. It is true that having alternate accounts is not explicitly prohibited by the forum rules, but it may constitute a violation of established community norms as well as local campaign rules set by campaign managers. Of course, there are legitimate reasons for having an alternate account, but there are numerous situations in which using an alternate account is immoral, to say the least. For example, you are not allowed to use an alternate account for: evading a ban, bumping your own thread excessively, creating fake conversations between multiple accounts, participating in contests or bounty campaigns if prohibited by campaign rules, etc.

I'll summarise this to mean, giving others a chance.
Just as a reminder, the forum is a discussion platform and it's outrightly wrong for one to be discussing with one's self as the case might be for alt account farmers, meriting themselves and other shifty behaviours as such. The cryptocurrency atmosphere operates largely on trust and being shifty like the Fox of cause not Foxpop apparently, lol... it give a wrong impression about you. Makes you degenerate, untrustworthy and only insane persons behaves tha way @OP.

My question now is, is it a violation of law for hunters to send token to one another? Even if the linking address has nothing to do with the forum like in their POA? Why are many being accused of alt accounts even without enrolling multiple accounts in one campaign?

What we now refer to as "Accusation of owning an alt" according to OP, especially when linked with a particular account is just a statement of fact. It's left of you to clarify if it's true or not by disproving the evidences against the accounts. Have you eve wondered what the case might be if an alt account owner just accepts the obvious?
If it happens to be true, you didn't deny the obvious and you haven't violated any rule, your surely going to be left alone with your alt. It only becomes an issue when certain forum rules have been violated such as, merit exchange, spamming etc.

In fact, sending tokens between wallet addresses isn't a violation. Your free to do that. I've seen some forum users transact coins between themselves and even get to rate themselves on the trust system. Your not by anyway restricted from transacting on the forum. Just ensure you go by the rules and the rules will keep you safe.

[KingsDen]

Op, as I'll continue to say, there are no hard rules in this forum. Infact all these rules are natural rules of morality and the society. For instance, plagiarism is a punishable offence outside the forum.

Let's assume a campaign is launched to hire  5 participants, you apply with your account and your alt and eventually got accepted in both. You have deprived one person an opportunity to participate and that is cheating.
Keep to the rules, don't share merits with your alt and discuss with your alt as if you are two different persons.

I have seen this image more than once in the forum. I tried zooming the image to read from the laptop but it was blured. What is the post behind this image? A group of account farmers? If yes, how sure are we?
I have seen and being in this kind of formation before, you will know this formation if you visit code camps. Who knows they were misrepresented?

[Stalker22]

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I have seen this image more than once in the forum. I tried zooming the image to read from the laptop but it was blured. What is the post behind this image? A group of account farmers? If yes, how sure are we?
I have seen and being in this kind of formation before, you will know this formation if you visit code camps. Who knows they were misrepresented?

They probably are, but that is not the point.

The point is, every time we hear an account farmer make some pitiful excuse, we can imagine this picture, which is very likely much closer to the reality than what he says.

[_BlackStar]

I have seen this image more than once in the forum. I tried zooming the image to read from the laptop but it was blured. What is the post behind this image? A group of account farmers? If yes, how sure are we?
I have seen and being in this kind of formation before, you will know this formation if you visit code camps. Who knows they were misrepresented?

No need to be too serious with image, at least every time someone posts it should be considered as an illustration of how an account farmer group is abusing its alt account in various campaign. I can only imagine that as an excuse when a cheater hunter manages to uncover cheating, so the image has meaning.

After all, the image could be wrong or it could be right about how account farmers are doing their activities out there. The image may contain incorrect information, but it is worthy as one illustration of the farmer group account.

[Pandu Geddon]

After all, the image could be wrong or it could be right about how account farmers are doing their activities out there. The image may contain incorrect information, but it is worthy as one illustration of the farmer group account.

looks like I have to save the image too. it's not just for illustration, I think the image has become Icon for the account farm caught cheaters.
I don't know how many times I've seen this picture. but I make sure to save it and be able to use it in the future if needed in a situation like a case the OP described.