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September 26, 2022, 04:06:57 PM
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LONDON, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Global government bond losses are on course for the worst year since 1949 and investor sentiment has plummeted to its lowest since the financial crisis, BofA Global Research said in a note on Friday.

This year’s dramatic bond tumble threatens credit events and a potential liquidation of the world’s most crowded trades, including bets on the dollar that have taken the greenback to multi-year highs against other currencies and bets on U.S. technology stocks, the bank said.

Bond funds recorded outflows of $6.9 billion during the week to Wednesday, while $7.8 billion was removed from equity funds and investors plowed $30.3 billion into cash, BofA said in a research note citing EPFR data.

Investor sentiment is the worst it has been since the 2008 global financial crash, the note said.

U.S. markets appear set for another volatile day. Wall Street futures fell on Friday as investors fretted over the prospect of an economic downturn and a hit to corporate earnings from the U.S. Federal Reserve's aggressive policy tightening moves to quell inflation. The S&P 500 is down nearly 5% this month and approaching its mid-June bear market lows.

Treasury yields, which move inversely to bond prices, were again rising after hitting their highest level since 2011 on Thursday, with the U.S. benchmark 10-year yield recently around 3.76%.

The bond crash “threatens liquidation of (the) world's most crowded trades” including long dollar and long U.S. tech, BofA wrote.

BofA said investors faced more inflation, interest rates and recession shocks, adding a bond crash meant that a high in credit spreads and low in stocks had not yet been reached.

Aggressive rate hikes from major central banks to contain inflation, even as growth slows, has unnerved world markets and sparked a fresh surge in bond yields this week.



https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/global-markets-flows-urgent-2022-09-23/


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For many years we've seen the biggest holders of US treasury bonds slowly but surely dump their holdings in anticipation of the current market.

Asian nations like china and japan used to be some of the largest holders of US bonds. The decline of the US bond market would appear to mirror the decline of the US dollar as international reserve.

These negative trends could require restructuring of the US economy. Being that it is structured around growth rather than contraction. Growth based economies could require consistent growth to be sustainable. Eras of contraction can hit hard in ways that could persist over the long term.

These shifts could require a transition in our thinking and how we view the world. Some of our past financial and economic ideology that were successful in the past, may no longer be viable under new circumstances. In some cases, we may be forced to find new ways to do things. I hope people resort to greater discussion on these topics. As it seems there is a real need for it.

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September 26, 2022, 04:29:32 PM
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I don't think it's completely clear where people are investing this money though too once they take it out of bonds.

There has been some warning for a while that bonds were going to drop and be less saught after but I don't think it's been so much of a warning that people would have taken their funds elsewhere (corporations might have though).

If all of these funds have been moved to commodities, stocks or real estate, I think we'll end up seeing a crash in those too. If people are just holding cash, we'll probably see a lot more inflation - bank accounts offering rates of 3% in the UK seem to have become more common again, then there's investment banks offering fixed 4-5% yields too - perhaps this is a market going back to normal where bonds are the boring investment you can't get a good return on because bigger caps are eating up all the high returns.
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September 26, 2022, 11:51:57 PM
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This year’s dramatic bond tumble threatens credit events and a potential liquidation of the world’s most crowded trades, including bets on the dollar that have taken the greenback to multi-year highs against other currencies and bets on U.S. technology stocks, the bank said.

Another disaster is brewing.

It looks like the bond market is finally crashing after years of warning signs. Investors are finally starting to pull their money out of bonds and into cash. This is going to eff the world economy.

The bond market has been blowing the whistles for years that this was going to happen. Now, it looks like the bond market was right all along. The Fed is raising rates to try to contain inflation, but this is only going to make the problem worse.

The boat is sinking guys and we can't patch this big hole in time lol

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