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September 29, 2022, 05:47:56 PM
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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

Below is a list of Casino's to consider buying their stock, it is not a broad list, but just names some, please feel free to extend the list.
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COMPANY (TICKER SYMBOL)   MARKET CAP   DESCRIPTION
Las Vegas Sands (LVS)   $29.2 billion   Operates a range of casino-hotels in Asia, including Singapore and Macau.
Caesars Entertainment (CZR)   $9.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S. as well as a digital sports betting platform.
MGM Resorts International (MGM)   $13.4 billion   Operates major Las Vegas and regional casinos as well as sports and online betting sites.
Wynn Resorts (WYNN)   $6.9 billion   Operates a handful of high-end properties in Macau and Las Vegas as well as digital sports betting and online gaming.
PENN Entertainment (PENN)   $4.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S., including casinos, online games and sports betting.
DraftKings (DKNG)   $8.3 billion   A digital gaming company enabling fantasy sports, sports betting and online gaming.
Melco Resorts and Entertainment (MLCO)   $2.5 billion   A Macau-based casino company, operates in the Philippines and Cyprus.

You can read more about the casino's here: https://southfloridareporter.com/investing-in-casinos-and-online-gambling-key-things-to-know/

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September 29, 2022, 06:14:33 PM
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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.

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September 29, 2022, 06:26:10 PM
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Owning stocks of profitable sector or profitable business is always a good way to make money. It is not just limited to gambling and related activities but this can be attributed to any other profitable sector as well. If you see a housing boom in your country, you can always buy stocks of cement companies and steel companies because they are the raw material suppliers of this sector. If you see a motor vehicle boom in your country, it is always good to buys stocks of Motor companies, tyre companies or car accessories manufacturer companies.

But I don't think we do have any opportunities to buy stocks of the crypto related casinos here or to profit from it. 

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September 29, 2022, 06:32:43 PM
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Thanks for sharing this is an interesting argument... but generally speaking investing in stock market is always something risky and any performance accrued in the past is not a guarantee for any further profit... Moreover even if they have bigger revenue, this not means they will share with shareholders ...

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September 29, 2022, 06:50:36 PM
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Investments in casinos that are sure to be profitable apply only to land-based casino. If investing in online casinos as far as I can know is small possibility to be profitable, your funds usually continue to rotate sometimes profit and sometimes loss, also for those who have small funds it is better to invest in crypto assets. Even also someone which have a big of funds only play at casino, many of the whale rarely invest in casino, because they are not looking for money only but they also want to feel the sensation.

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September 29, 2022, 08:14:29 PM
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Investments in casinos that are sure to be profitable apply only to land-based casino. If investing in online casinos as far as I can know is small possibility to be profitable, your funds usually continue to rotate sometimes profit and sometimes loss, also for those who have small funds it is better to invest in crypto assets. Even also someone which have a big of funds only play at casino, many of the whale rarely invest in casino, because they are not looking for money only but they also want to feel the sensation.

By investing in an online casino, you most likely meant investing in a casino bankroll, which was very popular for a while. But that has nothing to do with the investment the OP was talking about. With such an investment, you do not acquire any rights (unlike buying shares of real casinos) but only get a promise to share future profits in accordance with your contribution.
I have doubts about real investing (buying shares) in a casino: when I look at the market, I see that when it falls, all shares fall at about the same rate, and when it grows, innovative companies show the greatest growth. The casino does not belong to the "new" type of business and in fact does not have any innovations - in fact, it is a conservative business and it cannot generate income above the market. In addition, this business is always criticized by a large part of society and always carries the risks of tightening regulation.
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September 29, 2022, 08:17:18 PM
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Who wouldn't want to buy stocks not just from casino's that are very successful, but blue chips companies as well. But there are crypto enthusiasts here not keen about stocks and would rather stay with crypto. And if I'm not mistaken, some casinos that we know allowed investors, but I'm not sure how profitable it is in the long run. If I'm not mistaken, there is someone who try to experiment on investing on crypto based casino and post his monthly or yearly returns here. I'm also not aware that you need millions to invest on casinos, I thought that even average joe can buy stocks from them.
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True, it's not that thru gambling that we can make money out of casinos, we could also invest on them. And perhaps this is the best time to buy stocks of casinos as majority of them are stumbling down, just like in crypto market, we are in a bear market.

And just like regular stock investing, the OP put up the name of some of the best casino's that we can invest right now. You just have to pick the right one.

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September 29, 2022, 09:34:50 PM
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Below is a list of Casino's to consider buying their stock, it is not a broad list, but just names some, please feel free to extend the list.
There is nothing bad to invest on gambling sites too. This is not new, all businesses today have one way or the other they want investors to invest on their sites, gambling sites are one of them.

Two questions to ask:
Are the listed gambling sites paying in crypto to investors? I noticed I have not even heard about the gambling sites before
How much is the smallest amount of money investors can start with?

I will first prefer to gamble than to invest unless I huge amount of money to start with. Gambling is just fun and entertaining, the reason I am doing it and nothing more. If I do not have time for it, I do not do it. People have different preferences. Investment in gambling sites would require investors to invest huge amount of money before they can earn good income from it. That is investment generally though.

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September 29, 2022, 09:42:12 PM
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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.
While it is true that if you want to buy stocks on your own then you will need some substantial capital, you could try to look for indexes which track the gambling industry and invest there, while I have not heard of such a thing I believe it should exist, so for anyone interested in investing in those companies this can be done that way and obtain some nice profits along the way, after all we know that since the pandemic started gambling has gotten more popular than ever so it could be a good moment to invest in the industry.

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I think this was moderate kind of thing to do rather than playing in a casino though it will take more time to be profitable. The thing with here is that users will prefer crypto over traditional assets but we never know if there are people still out here that invests on kind of stocks especially if it's regarding gambling.

Since the pandemic started I think most of these casinos in the list have been down considering lot of people won't visit an offline casino. This have take a toll on them but likely will bounce back now that restrictions on public places are lifting up. Not financial advice but it's likely the case here, tourism industry and gambling will likely boom next year.
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There's a huge risk investing in the casino also
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So perhaps the best lesson for investing in casino stocks is to pick your spots because the market can wipe away years of profit very quickly.
this is a quote from the article you've mentioned, you can make a lot of money and at the same time wipe out all your investment because there will always be times when circumstances and conditions where the gambling stocks could drop if you're a big risk taker investing in casinos is a good choice high profit but so is the risk, I prefer investing stocks on a popular brand where the risk is lower and can easily regain their losses, stocks like oil, are a safe investment.

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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.


Those glowing statistics are misleading to a degree. Many gambling institutions suffered declines in revenue 2020/2021 due to travel restrictions and lockdowns. At least some of that positive growth might be considered the industry bouncing back from the pandemic, rather than linear growth.


Below is a list of Casino's to consider buying their stock, it is not a broad list, but just names some, please feel free to extend the list.
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Las Vegas Sands (LVS)   $29.2 billion   Operates a range of casino-hotels in Asia, including Singapore and Macau.
Caesars Entertainment (CZR)   $9.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S. as well as a digital sports betting platform.
MGM Resorts International (MGM)   $13.4 billion   Operates major Las Vegas and regional casinos as well as sports and online betting sites.
Wynn Resorts (WYNN)   $6.9 billion   Operates a handful of high-end properties in Macau and Las Vegas as well as digital sports betting and online gaming.
PENN Entertainment (PENN)   $4.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S., including casinos, online games and sports betting.
DraftKings (DKNG)   $8.3 billion   A digital gaming company enabling fantasy sports, sports betting and online gaming.
Melco Resorts and Entertainment (MLCO)   $2.5 billion   A Macau-based casino company, operates in the Philippines and Cyprus.

You can read more about the casino's here-https://southfloridareporter.com/investing-in-casinos-and-online-gambling-key-things-to-know/


There is one key aspect to consider with a US gambling industry investment plan. Lake Mead -- the main source of water in Las Vegas is drying up at an astonishing rate. Water levels in the lake are declining by a factor of around 5 feet every 2 weeks or so. This has been documented by many boaters in the area who published video clips on youtube to draw attention to the crisis.

The long term viability of las vegas casinos could be in doubt with their supply of water on a steep decline. Whether they can find alternative sources remains to be seen. Suffice it to say that the explosion of the human population in the area is far too massive to be supported by normal desert rainfall. There have not been any real steps taken to address the issue.

It is possible that the entirety of las vegas could end up a ghost town in the years to come. Which could make investment in casinos and gambling establishments with a presence outside of las vegas the better option.
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September 29, 2022, 10:26:04 PM
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...But I don't think we do have any opportunities to buy stocks of the crypto related casinos here or to profit from it. 
I haven't heard of a publicly listed crypto casino so no. Maybe the counterpart is having to invest in their native tokens or be part of start-up casino's seeding round.

Investments in casinos that are sure to be profitable apply only to land-based casino. If investing in online casinos as far as I can know is small possibility to be profitable,
"sure to be profitable" seriously? Can you check land-based casino's numbers during the height of the pandemic and show us how many of them have been profitable? It's the online gambling that soared in the last three years as far as I know.

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September 29, 2022, 10:35:18 PM
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...But I don't think we do have any opportunities to buy stocks of the crypto related casinos here or to profit from it.  
I haven't heard of a publicly listed crypto casino so no. Maybe the counterpart is having to invest in their native tokens or be part of start-up casino's seeding round.

Investments in casinos that are sure to be profitable apply only to land-based casino. If investing in online casinos as far as I can know is small possibility to be profitable,
"sure to be profitable" seriously? Can you check land-based casino's numbers during the height of the pandemic and show us how many of them have been profitable? It's the online gambling that soared in the last three years as far as I know.

or maybe, you can invest in crypto casinos by contributing to their bankroll. there are some casinos which offered certain interest from their profits depending on your share with their bankroll. however, you need to keep up yourself with the performance of the casino. because you need to get out of your funds if you feel the casino is slowly dying down.
 the pandemic period, was for me, an exception when it comes to land-based casinos. this was also true for other businesses as the world locked down owed to this virus. we can't expect to generate profits during this period. but as we head to recovery, we may see these physical casinos earn again.

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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

Below is a list of Casino's to consider buying their stock, it is not a broad list, but just names some, please feel free to extend the list.
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COMPANY (TICKER SYMBOL)   MARKET CAP   DESCRIPTION
Las Vegas Sands (LVS)   $29.2 billion   Operates a range of casino-hotels in Asia, including Singapore and Macau.
Caesars Entertainment (CZR)   $9.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S. as well as a digital sports betting platform.
MGM Resorts International (MGM)   $13.4 billion   Operates major Las Vegas and regional casinos as well as sports and online betting sites.
Wynn Resorts (WYNN)   $6.9 billion   Operates a handful of high-end properties in Macau and Las Vegas as well as digital sports betting and online gaming.
PENN Entertainment (PENN)   $4.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S., including casinos, online games and sports betting.
DraftKings (DKNG)   $8.3 billion   A digital gaming company enabling fantasy sports, sports betting and online gaming.
Melco Resorts and Entertainment (MLCO)   $2.5 billion   A Macau-based casino company, operates in the Philippines and Cyprus.

You can read more about the casino's here-https://southfloridareporter.com/investing-in-casinos-and-online-gambling-key-things-to-know/

Yeah ypu can definitely bet on the casinos buy buying in stock effectively becoming the house.  It's such a volatile business though so unless it's a well established casino with year over year returns you could likely be sinking you money in something as volatile as just betting the money away. 

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That's a big list. This confirms that gambling investment is profitable than gambling. As in one of the quote, the revenue on gambling houses were in the decline. Some went on the negative part, which is completely out of travel restrictions. Most of the stocks looked like heard names, maybe MGM and Wynn resorts are much popularly known. With our cryptocurrency accepted gambling platforms too it seems to be profitable and very few platforms support investment access.

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Nice and useful piece of information there @OP, but I want to believe that all this casinos mentioned are all land based casinos, I've heard some of those names before, but the truth remains that I don't know very much about land based casinos, would have been more interesting if they were online based and also ones listed on this forum.
Investing in stocks is good, but I prefer buying stocks of online casinos, since to me, I am of the belief that land based casinos will in time fade out, might not happen now, but sooner or later, it will happen.

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Aside buying stocks of those casinos, you can also invest into casino bankrolls and that is the likeness of buying casino stocks.

There is also the dividends type through buying their tokens and it is known lately but very volatile as they are in the form of tokens.


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...But I don't think we do have any opportunities to buy stocks of the crypto related casinos here or to profit from it.  
I haven't heard of a publicly listed crypto casino so no. Maybe the counterpart is having to invest in their native tokens or be part of start-up casino's seeding round.
or maybe, you can invest in crypto casinos by contributing to their bankroll. there are some casinos which offered certain interest from their profits depending on your share with their bankroll.
Oh yes I forgot about that one. That's definitely a good option for existing online casinos with decent reputation but you have to check why they still needed some more funding after years of operation. It's good if the reason is for business expansion. It's bad if they have an issue with their liquidity.

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September 29, 2022, 11:14:28 PM
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...But I don't think we do have any opportunities to buy stocks of the crypto related casinos here or to profit from it.  
I haven't heard of a publicly listed crypto casino so no. Maybe the counterpart is having to invest in their native tokens or be part of start-up casino's seeding round.
or maybe, you can invest in crypto casinos by contributing to their bankroll. there are some casinos which offered certain interest from their profits depending on your share with their bankroll.
Oh yes I forgot about that one. That's definitely a good option for existing online casinos with decent reputation but you have to check why they still needed some more funding after years of operation. It's good if the reason is for business expansion. It's bad if they have an issue with their liquidity.

Maybe this is good but somehow it can create a conflict towards people expect to much on thedl dividends given and might some other people call it scam because they didn't meet their expectation upon their investment. And the same what other casino exist here much better if they avoid this since this might create problem to them and just maximize the resources what they have and invest on marketing since for this it could increase their traffic which is more useful to them.

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It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

The way you construct your statement, do you really think investing in those are simple as buying candy?

Why not give your own long opinion about that and not just to say invest on those.

What are your pointers? What is your advice? How are the steps? I will wait for your response and let's start a discussion.
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It can be worth it if you can make a steady income out of these investments, if not then it's just another loss. People in crypto are for crypto stocks. Several blockchain casinos over time also become unprofitable but it has something to do with the bear market.

And with the bear market, the odds are not on the casino's side unless it's the most famous online and has stocks. If Stake.com only has it, many of us may have already accumulated.


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There is one key aspect to consider with a US gambling industry investment plan. Lake Mead -- the main source of water in Las Vegas is drying up at an astonishing rate. Water levels in the lake are declining by a factor of around 5 feet every 2 weeks or so. This has been documented by many boaters in the area who published video clips on youtube to draw attention to the crisis.

The long term viability of las vegas casinos could be in doubt with their supply of water on a steep decline. Whether they can find alternative sources remains to be seen. Suffice it to say that the explosion of the human population in the area is far too massive to be supported by normal desert rainfall. There have not been any real steps taken to address the issue.

It is possible that the entirety of las vegas could end up a ghost town in the years to come. Which could make investment in casinos and gambling establishments with a presence outside of las vegas the better option.

This is quite interesting and something I didn't know. It's something that goes beyond the typical things that I would have looked at to see if I was investing in casino stocks, like the P/E ratio, the debt and how it's evolved over the last few years, the net income and how it's evolved, and so on.

The fact that it could all go to shit because the area runs out of water is something very important to take into account and adds a very important risk to the possible investment.


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It's not as easy as it sounds though,  gambling and investing on them is very different.  And as per this article:

https://www.investopedia.com/top-casino-stocks-5078278

Majority of them are under performing, with Las Vegas Sands Corp returning just 3 on a 12-Month Trailing Total Return (%).

While the rest are all negatives.

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The gambling business usually does pretty badly in times of recession. I’m not sure this is a great bet at this time in history. That’s why you see a lot of these large casino companies diversifying into real estate. In time, I think these companies will basically be real estate companies that earn additional income to expand from gambling operations. It’s better to invest after a recession than before though. 

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The casino get profit not only from the casino but also other services such as hotels and so on, but if can invest by owning stocks, why not even though investing in other companies is more prioritized for me.
I think only whales and gambling lovers are more likely to invest here, retail will prefer stocks of conventional companies.

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I don't think businesses in casino are the best form of investment you'd want in times like this. It might even be better to invest in online casinos instead of land-based casinos since online casinos have better opportunities imo for expansion and imo has better chances of lasting longer. And on another note, there'd probably be better businesses to invest in that provide better returns than casinos themselves, not to mention that due to the recent pandemic, casinos have been in overall at the negative.

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September 30, 2022, 06:01:06 AM
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The gambling industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, if you are an active gambler and a stocks investors you can hit two birds with one stone here, those who are active in gambling are likely to invest in gambling companies they know the in and out of the business, the one that is likely to invest in these casinos are whales, they have the money and the knowledge on what casinos to invest, only the pandemic can stop physical casinos from making a profit, and on online its the competition and government restrictions from players, these are two things that will hinder online and offline casinos to make a profit.

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If the stock price is not expensive, I think many people will try to invest in a well-known and trusted casino because it means they can get passive income from casino income. They can play gambling from the income from that investment so they don't need to use their money. But during the current situation, people need to learn more about how much they will get if they buy their shares because all businesses are still trying to bounce back. But it can be tried, but be careful if you want to try it.

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It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there.

You don't benefit from gambling. You just have some fun and waste some money that you can afford to lose. Grin
Investing in casinos has nothing to do with gambling. I don't think that the gambling companies in your list are paying high dividends for their stocks. The gambling industry is extremely competitive, so the profit margins of the various gambling operators aren't that high.
The fantasy sports betting industry is a little bit different than the online/offline casino gambling industry.
Companies like Draft Kings and Fan Duel are dominating the US market and there aren't any big competitors challenging their dominance.
Maybe the fantasy sports betting market will become more competitive in the future and those two companies will lose a big portion of their market share. I wouldn't buy their stocks.

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If the stock price is not expensive, I think many people will try to invest in a well-known and trusted casino because it means they can get passive income from casino income. They can play gambling from the income from that investment so they don't need to use their money. But during the current situation, people need to learn more about how much they will get if they buy their shares because all businesses are still trying to bounce back. But it can be tried, but be careful if you want to try it.

If the company opens a public offer, it might not be a bad investment to put a little cash into such shares if the casino firm is reputable. Just like you gamble with your extra income, I would only invest what I can comfortably lose without developing health problems because of worries and frustration. This is because the casino business is very risky especially if they are the crypto types. I might never invest heavily in a casino company except if I am part of the management team or if I have total confidence in the team.

Also, I might also consider investing in casino companies that are registered in my location. It might be more safer and convenient to invest in casino firms that are within your jurisdiction because making inputs in the decision-making process and claiming damages due to mismanagement would be easier. I might be wrong but I don't think any crypto casino firm has listed its shares in my country's stock exchange.  

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September 30, 2022, 07:16:52 AM
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The gambling business usually does pretty badly in times of recession. I’m not sure this is a great bet at this time in history. That’s why you see a lot of these large casino companies diversifying into real estate. In time, I think these companies will basically be real estate companies that earn additional income to expand from gambling operations. It’s better to invest after a recession than before though. 

Even in good times investing in casinos is a risky business.You may start out well and the casino may be doing extremely well and your invested money grows exponentially but remember that it takes just a single whale to win that huge jackpot and boom you are in red,in minus.That is why I never recommend anyone to invest in a casino but in the event they are firmly convinced to invest at least do so in some casino that let's you withdraw your earned interest at any given time,this way you can keep withdrawing some money while the casino is in a good shape.

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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.



It may be profitable but it's not a guarantee investing in casinos may look appealing but you need to do diligent research, checking the information on the internet and on how these casinos perform in the market just saw this now, investing in casinos is like gambling you need to invest what you can afford to lose, you need financial advice from a stockbroker and financial advisor although investing in the Cryptocurrency market is more volatile than casino investing





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^^ And so, even those casino stocks are not immune to what is happening in the world right now, it's recession. So the price is down just like the rest of the traditional stocks. And again, we might have to look long term with this casinos if we want to invest and also the risk factor involved. Perhaps the best thing to do is to just look for options stocks options, maybe blue chips is good as well instead of those casino business that are taking a hit because of the covid-19 as they are close to like 2 years so it's hard to come back from that and recover as the world is on a worst recession.

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Investing in the stocks if casino can be little tricky because the returns will be s lot less in the reality while comparing the rewards of gambling so as a gambler they will always prefer the gambling. But as an investor the casino industry is very good and post covid the online casino and gambling companies are making more profits than before.

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September 30, 2022, 10:31:57 AM
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The questions like "how?" will come out.
It's not easy to find them or find a broker that will help you invest in the names stated.
Another question is how much is the minimum for you to get in?
I doubt they are inviting retail investors, it must be hundreds of thousands of dollars before they can accept you as an investor.
Finally, the question of how long will it take before you can get out?
Most probably it will be a long term investment and you won't even feel the profits if you are aiming short term only.

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If it was that easy to invest on a casino then everyone should've already done it since we know that gambling businesses are always a thriving industry. Just like some other huge business establishment like hospital, hotel, or mall, casinos are funded by a group of business tycoons who are already popular in other field of entrepreneurship. A regular citizen can't just invest their money to it even if they have the financial capability.
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What happens when this casinos go bankrupt and what happens when the run out of money? Investing in casino stocks has the highest risk even though it can as well be profitable. Although most of their stocks are moderate and seem affordable, starting out with cheap stocks like EIHDF which is about $1.22 will not stir up so much emotion in case things turns out sore. i thing casino stocks should be treated just the way crypto investment is treated in terms of risk management
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What happens when this casinos go bankrupt and what happens when the run out of money? Investing in casino stocks has the highest risk even though it can as well be profitable. Although most of their stocks are moderate and seem affordable, starting out with cheap stocks like EIHDF which is about $1.22 will not stir up so much emotion in case things turns out sore. i thing casino stocks should be treated just the way crypto investment is treated in terms of risk management

Depends on what bankruptcy they filed, Chapter 7 or 11. But yeah, common stocks are going to be worthless, so there is a risk as well (and not like any other investment instrument for that matter).

And with that , it's not a sure thing even if the casino is raking billions because you really don't know. Maybe one day there will be some whales that is going to pull out their investments going their stocks to go down hard. Or the returns is not that good as compare to crypto market. And just because they are "casino" doesn't mean that their stocks are doing good.
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Investing in a casino is profitable as you tried to explain but there are also the risky part to the sweet story behind it. Nothing is actually, very free on the internet.
These looks like buying merchant shares from a big company or bank. It is always profitable but, this happens only when the company is making profit. If they have an electrocution problem , fire outbreak, run bankrupt IMO -- except those companies kept a bill with the government for such exigencies -- your investment capital is lost for life.

If that's a case in banks which, sometimes collaborate with the government as well, how much more a gambling site on the web that might decide to fold up anytime, based on its predicaments? So I'll say it's very risky.

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September 30, 2022, 12:32:11 PM
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Don't put another problem in your head as there are a lot of good opportunities there aside from this.

If we are gamblers, then just enjoy being a gambler. Buying stocks is not as simple as we think especially if what we are talking about is investing in gambling site shares. This is not a simple investment and it will take several years before we can see a profit here - and that's even a question.

Remember what the pandemic brought to us? That's enough to know what business can survive in the worst situation.
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Individuals collective summed up investment on casinos could have been more acceptable and reliable to them but the offer may be too small to their expectations, that's why they'd prefer reputable organizations and individuals that are financially bouyant enough to strick a business deal with them, bith the investment and casino business are good initiatives they could stream a good benefit of income flow but the capital intensive makes it more inaccessible for an average individual gamblers.

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September 30, 2022, 03:45:50 PM
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It's definitely a smart idea to invest on casinos' stocks, but I don't even know from where to start or if it's possible for me living outside the countries where those casinos are based and living in a country where gambling is forbidden.

That is why crypto casinos bankroll investments were so good for common investors like us. You could benefit from the profit made by casinos, while investing any amounts of money without any difficult or bureaucracy. Just by signing up on crypto casinos you had access to this feature already.

However, now casinos are self-sustainable and don't want borrowed funds from investors anymore.

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September 30, 2022, 03:55:39 PM
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That is why crypto casinos bankroll investments were so good for common investors like us. You could benefit from the profit made by casinos, while investing any amounts of money without any difficult or bureaucracy. Just by signing up on crypto casinos you had access to this feature already.

However, now casinos are self-sustainable and don't want borrowed funds from investors anymore.
AFAIK Bustadice and Bitvest are two reputable casinos in this forum that still offer bankroll investment, so if you really want to invest you can choose those casinos. Although it sound investing in casinos are very profitable since the house always win, but they have a rules about withdraw fees where you want to withdraw your money from the bankroll investment. It depends on each casinos, just like Bustadice who ask 2% of the total investment.

If you didn't hold for long and withdraw your investment before it reach at least 2% profit, you'll loss.

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This is quite interesting. I have never thought about investing in casinos or online bookies. Well, now that the OP has brought it up, it is worth considering and looking into. However, I think not all gamblers would want to invest because the dynamics are different. Gambling brings quick/fast money and there is a thrill to it because it is short-termed unlike investing which is not quick money and it is long term so there is no pleasure. Also, gambling doesn't require a lot of money unlike investing.

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Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.
That is true you can earn profit from buying casino stocks but it still has its own risks though and even though it sounds simple I wouldn't easily recommend it to others.

That is why crypto casinos bankroll investments were so good for common investors like us. You could benefit from the profit made by casinos, while investing any amounts of money without any difficult or bureaucracy. Just by signing up on crypto casinos you had access to this feature already.
I agree, back then bankroll investments were so common in crypto casinos and it's one of the better alternatives but now only a few casinos accept bankroll investments, and other casinos distribute a portion of their casino profits through their own tokens that can only be earned by playing in their site.

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To be honest, I also didn't know that we can invest in casino businesses. This sounds interesting, especially to those who want to maximize their earnings and profit. I think this is possible for those who have huge capital so it's a big challenge for small-time investors. We only have to choose highly reputable casinos.
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It's the reason why casino business is a booming industry. Physical casinos took heavy hits during COVID-19. But online casinos took much of the market share and continued to flourish even up to now that physical casinos are back into business.

It's rare to find physical casinos filing for bankruptcy and closing its operations. There are more casino openings than casino closings. And the birth of the internet also gave birth to online casinos that are until now growing fast.

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It may be profitable but it's not a guarantee investing in casinos may look appealing but you need to do diligent research, checking the information on the internet and on how these casinos perform in the market just saw this now, investing in casinos is like gambling you need to invest what you can afford to lose, you need financial advice from a stockbroker and financial advisor although investing in the Cryptocurrency market is more volatile than casino investing



Great chart, thanks! I wrote about this right on the first page without even checking the charts of stock quotes - casinos have long become a traditional business and if the entire market falls, then their shares also fall. Now the whole market is in recession and it is more profitable to hold cash than stocks (or even short, but this is very dangerous since on average the market is always going up and you have to guess a good short point). Maybe after the end of the crisis it will be profitable to buy shares that are at the bottom.
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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

Below is a list of Casino's to consider buying their stock, it is not a broad list, but just names some, please feel free to extend the list.
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COMPANY (TICKER SYMBOL)   MARKET CAP   DESCRIPTION
Las Vegas Sands (LVS)   $29.2 billion   Operates a range of casino-hotels in Asia, including Singapore and Macau.
Caesars Entertainment (CZR)   $9.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S. as well as a digital sports betting platform.
MGM Resorts International (MGM)   $13.4 billion   Operates major Las Vegas and regional casinos as well as sports and online betting sites.
Wynn Resorts (WYNN)   $6.9 billion   Operates a handful of high-end properties in Macau and Las Vegas as well as digital sports betting and online gaming.
PENN Entertainment (PENN)   $4.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S., including casinos, online games and sports betting.
DraftKings (DKNG)   $8.3 billion   A digital gaming company enabling fantasy sports, sports betting and online gaming.
Melco Resorts and Entertainment (MLCO)   $2.5 billion   A Macau-based casino company, operates in the Philippines and Cyprus.

You can read more about the casino's here: https://southfloridareporter.com/investing-in-casinos-and-online-gambling-key-things-to-know/

Unlike gambling you can find stocks much more reliable sources of income - provided you do a lot of research and gain a good understanding of how the underlying company really works. You definitely want to stick with casino or gambling companies based in places like the US or Europe, because anything connected with China will likely leave you penniless, as they are very lawless in many respects. There are quite a few worldwide gambling companies that are based in the UK which are surprisingly absent from your list. It definitely takes a degree of patience and timing, they skyrocketed during Covid lockdowns for example but since then have slumped.

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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.
Investing in casinos is not the same investing in crypto as you can always invest on the amount you can afford to lose. However, when it comes to casinos, I think that there is a desired initial amount to invest, and it’s a bigger amount of capital that any regular gambler will find it hard to earn. This is the reason why most of the casino investors are those high rollers and those who are big time businesses owners. Of course, since the capital requires huge amount, then expect that they will get huge returns too in the future.

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I've heard it as well from the financial advisors that I've seen. They say that instead of being only a consumer and buyer of the goods, be their stock investor too. Nothing wrong with that and I find it wise and brilliant to have that eye opener for those that don't know that they can do better.
The same goes for gamblers, aside from being a gambler, if you think that the market for these casinos is high and they're going nowhere but only to the top then it's one of the best stocks to have it as part of your port.

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I think it's really difficult to invest in a casino like some friends have said here because maybe we can get profits considering the casino income is also very large and has the potential to be a money machine, I haven't found a good site to invest in casino stocks, but this is a very good thread. interesting

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It may be profitable but it's not a guarantee investing in casinos may look appealing but you need to do diligent research, checking the information on the internet and on how these casinos perform in the market just saw this now, investing in casinos is like gambling you need to invest what you can afford to lose, you need financial advice from a stockbroker and financial advisor although investing in the Cryptocurrency market is more volatile than casino investing



Great chart, thanks! I wrote about this right on the first page without even checking the charts of stock quotes - casinos have long become a traditional business and if the entire market falls, then their shares also fall. Now the whole market is in recession and it is more profitable to hold cash than stocks (or even short, but this is very dangerous since on average the market is always going up and you have to guess a good short point). Maybe after the end of the crisis it will be profitable to buy shares that are at the bottom.

It will take long before the crisis will end, however. and by the time it's almost over that we can see improvements, the stocks may probably be bought and accumulated by the wealthy investors wanting to dominate the industry.

Even when the stocks are crashing, the price still is very unaffordable for small investors. More people will prefer to store food in times of crisis than spend to get 100 MGM or WYNN stocks.


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If the stock price is not expensive, I think many people will try to invest in a well-known and trusted casino because it means they can get passive income from casino income. They can play gambling from the income from that investment so they don't need to use their money. But during the current situation, people need to learn more about how much they will get if they buy their shares because all businesses are still trying to bounce back. But it can be tried, but be careful if you want to try it.

If the company opens a public offer, it might not be a bad investment to put a little cash into such shares if the casino firm is reputable. Just like you gamble with your extra income, I would only invest what I can comfortably lose without developing health problems because of worries and frustration. This is because the casino business is very risky especially if they are the crypto types. I might never invest heavily in a casino company except if I am part of the management team or if I have total confidence in the team.

Also, I might also consider investing in casino companies that are registered in my location. It might be more safer and convenient to invest in casino firms that are within your jurisdiction because making inputs in the decision-making process and claiming damages due to mismanagement would be easier. I might be wrong but I don't think any crypto casino firm has listed its shares in my country's stock exchange.  
As long as we try to invest money in a reputable casino company, I think we can hope to profit from that investment. However, it will not be a guarantee that the casino company will survive in the long term. But before you decide to invest anywhere, you should study it until you really understand how it works to make a profit.

It would be better if we invest in our location or country so that if something bad happens, we can get protection from the government. In addition, casino or investment companies already registered with the government will not try to do anything against the law.

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If the stock price is not expensive, I think many people will try to invest in a well-known and trusted casino because it means they can get passive income from casino income. They can play gambling from the income from that investment so they don't need to use their money. But during the current situation, people need to learn more about how much they will get if they buy their shares because all businesses are still trying to bounce back. But it can be tried, but be careful if you want to try it.

If the company opens a public offer, it might not be a bad investment to put a little cash into such shares if the casino firm is reputable. Just like you gamble with your extra income, I would only invest what I can comfortably lose without developing health problems because of worries and frustration. This is because the casino business is very risky especially if they are the crypto types. I might never invest heavily in a casino company except if I am part of the management team or if I have total confidence in the team.

Also, I might also consider investing in casino companies that are registered in my location. It might be more safer and convenient to invest in casino firms that are within your jurisdiction because making inputs in the decision-making process and claiming damages due to mismanagement would be easier. I might be wrong but I don't think any crypto casino firm has listed its shares in my country's stock exchange.   
As long as we try to invest money in a reputable casino company, I think we can hope to profit from that investment. However, it will not be a guarantee that the casino company will survive in the long term. But before you decide to invest anywhere, you should study it until you really understand how it works to make a profit.

It would be better if we invest in our location or country so that if something bad happens, we can get protection from the government. In addition, casino or investment companies already registered with the government will not try to do anything against the law.

its a stock market, it open for anyone to invest and regulated too. stock market however crashed deeper since yesterday.
but crypto market didn't. all the more reason to go for blockchain casinos. passive income from casino business is good as long as you have already gained back your capital particularly in crypto casino tokens.









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It's  not a bad idea to invest in stocks of gambling companies. In my opinion anybody who is looking to invest money should atleast put some of his funds into stocks. Historically stocks have outperformed most of the other asset classes. A well diversified portfolio should contain stocks, crypto currencies, commodities, real estate and bonds. Especially now with 2 digit inflation rates it becomes more important to look for high return investments. The problem with the list of companies you propose is that many of them operate physical casinos, which have a lot of areas that are part of their business model. All of the big casinos also operate hotels that have a lot of costs and could be affected harshly again by another covid wave. That's why I would prefer to invest only in online casinos without all the side business. Also gambling returns are very different from investing. With gambling we can get our winnings immediately, as for stocks it can take years for the stock price to rise.
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Great chart, thanks! I wrote about this right on the first page without even checking the charts of stock quotes - casinos have long become a traditional business and if the entire market falls, then their shares also fall. Now the whole market is in recession and it is more profitable to hold cash than stocks (or even short, but this is very dangerous since on average the market is always going up and you have to guess a good short point). Maybe after the end of the crisis it will be profitable to buy shares that are at the bottom.

It will take long before the crisis will end, however. and by the time it's almost over that we can see improvements, the stocks may probably be bought and accumulated by the wealthy investors wanting to dominate the industry.

Even when the stocks are crashing, the price still is very unaffordable for small investors. More people will prefer to store food in times of crisis than spend to get 100 MGM or WYNN stocks.

The duration of the crisis will depend on the measures taken - maybe the governments will finally decide to "even out" everything with the help of inflation. And then, as a result of money printing, in a couple of years, all markets will formally come out of the crisis. And just in this scenario, it will be very unprofitable to keep the cash, and the worst stock will show growth.
But as you rightly noted, if we are talking about money "for food", then there is no difference where to invest it and how to store it - this is too little capital to feel the profit from investing it.
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When we say benefit I think it won't only mean money but we can also say that we benefit in the casino because we enjoy it or we are having fun out of it. For those types of people, the only way for them to benefit in a casino is to play there but if you are a money/business minded person then you can think of many ways and one of it is investing in casino's stocks.

In some casinos, we can also invest on their bankroll but I think this one is less profitable. I've read negative feedbacks from users who did this and then most of the casinos who offer bankroll investing are shutting down. Thanks for the list anyway @OP but I think all of them are non crypto based. I think crypto casinos has more potential as it is still a new thing compared to fiat based casinos.

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October 02, 2022, 05:04:30 PM
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That is why crypto casinos bankroll investments were so good for common investors like us. You could benefit from the profit made by casinos, while investing any amounts of money without any difficult or bureaucracy. Just by signing up on crypto casinos you had access to this feature already.

However, now casinos are self-sustainable and don't want borrowed funds from investors anymore.
AFAIK Bustadice and Bitvest are two reputable casinos in this forum that still offer bankroll investment, so if you really want to invest you can choose those casinos. Although it sound investing in casinos are very profitable since the house always win, but they have a rules about withdraw fees where you want to withdraw your money from the bankroll investment. It depends on each casinos, just like Bustadice who ask 2% of the total investment.

If you didn't hold for long and withdraw your investment before it reach at least 2% profit, you'll loss.
Oh, yes, thanks for mentioning these ones, although I haven't heard positive feedbacks from the profitability point of view about these casinos. If I remember correctly someone who invested in Bitvest had his investment pretty negative (in LTC currency I think), while Bustadice didn't show expressive results too. To make this kind of investment worth I believe the casino has to be very active and popular, otherwise it will be a risky deal, since few gamblers can come in, win a big prize, go away and there won't be many customers/gamblers to cover the loss the casino and investors had. Then you might have your money stuck there for a long time just to recover the same amount your deposited initially.

And as you said, there is also this cashout fee rule which discourages the investment a little more...

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Oh, yes, thanks for mentioning these ones, although I haven't heard positive feedbacks from the profitability point of view about these casinos. If I remember correctly someone who invested in Bitvest had his investment pretty negative (in LTC currency I think), while Bustadice didn't show expressive results too. To make this kind of investment worth I believe the casino has to be very active and popular, otherwise it will be a risky deal, since few gamblers can come in, win a big prize, go away and there won't be many customers/gamblers to cover the loss the casino and investors had. Then you might have your money stuck there for a long time just to recover the same amount your deposited initially.

And as you said, there is also this cashout fee rule which discourages the investment a little more...
I see, I understand your point, it is not so good to invest in casino right? maybe I will be just a player not an investor, I realize that you are right, what if the casino can no longer sustain the big amount of money to winners? not all casinos get huge number of players consistently everyday. To be a player is risky enough for me, I will just stay as a player so that I can go to another casinos if you want.
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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

Below is a list of Casino's to consider buying their stock, it is not a broad list, but just names some, please feel free to extend the list.
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COMPANY (TICKER SYMBOL)   MARKET CAP   DESCRIPTION
Las Vegas Sands (LVS)   $29.2 billion   Operates a range of casino-hotels in Asia, including Singapore and Macau.
Caesars Entertainment (CZR)   $9.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S. as well as a digital sports betting platform.
MGM Resorts International (MGM)   $13.4 billion   Operates major Las Vegas and regional casinos as well as sports and online betting sites.
Wynn Resorts (WYNN)   $6.9 billion   Operates a handful of high-end properties in Macau and Las Vegas as well as digital sports betting and online gaming.
PENN Entertainment (PENN)   $4.9 billion   Operates dozens of properties across the U.S., including casinos, online games and sports betting.
DraftKings (DKNG)   $8.3 billion   A digital gaming company enabling fantasy sports, sports betting and online gaming.
Melco Resorts and Entertainment (MLCO)   $2.5 billion   A Macau-based casino company, operates in the Philippines and Cyprus.

You can read more about the casino's here: https://southfloridareporter.com/investing-in-casinos-and-online-gambling-key-things-to-know/

I checked these casinos out and they all look like shit. There is something shady going on with these casinos probably. I mean if the house always wins, how the fuck these companies are valued so low? Most of them haven't moved an inch in 10 years. Most of them don't pay any considerable dividends neither.

They are probably stealing from their investors by cooking their books. Either way I wouldn't touch any of these.

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Your table appears disorganized and unattractive; you can use the forum table BBCode to arrange the table's rows and columns so that the company name, market capitalization, and description are simpler to read.

These companies are big indeed, having those markets caps are actually mind blowing but instead of making hypes on their stocks, why don't we do something like them, we have some casino that has their own tokens, Like owl for example is another type of casino with its own token. It is better to invest in small startups than go after these big guys that dominate all of the shares to them selfs, you will only be getting a penny as dividends by end of the year.

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Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.
yes definitely choosing and assessing an online casino before doing an investment business is the main thing and a good consideration, it's very important and don't forget to consider the risks.

Many investors think that online gambling investment is a business that is always growing, although many people say that the global economy is experiencing a downturn, it is not a real threat to the online gambling business.

I remember when the pandemic hit the world at that time, gambling investment which was in the spotlight of the world was one form of positive ROI business, although the online gambling investment business is a promising business, but in thinking about online casinos in terms of income and considerations are also needed before starting to invest, so that you don't experience disappointment in wanting to invest in an online casino to get a good profit.

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October 02, 2022, 06:42:11 PM
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I think it's really difficult to invest in a casino like some friends have said here because maybe we can get profits considering the casino income is also very large and has the potential to be a money machine, I haven't found a good site to invest in casino stocks, but this is a very good thread. interesting
The difficulty of investing in a casino can depend on the website because some of them are not that user-friendly. Even if we want to try investing on them, we can easily get discouraged due to that fact but it can also depend on the person. If they can understand a more complicated thing then they can always navigate their way through the investment page and successfully acquire a share/stock by there.

I don't know if some gambling company intend to complicate things for some the investors. It's like they don't want the investors to enjoy the benefits of investing on them but if it's true then they better not offer their company in the public.

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October 02, 2022, 06:53:18 PM
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Oh, yes, thanks for mentioning these ones, although I haven't heard positive feedbacks from the profitability point of view about these casinos. If I remember correctly someone who invested in Bitvest had his investment pretty negative (in LTC currency I think), while Bustadice didn't show expressive results too. To make this kind of investment worth I believe the casino has to be very active and popular, otherwise it will be a risky deal, since few gamblers can come in, win a big prize, go away and there won't be many customers/gamblers to cover the loss the casino and investors had. Then you might have your money stuck there for a long time just to recover the same amount your deposited initially.

And as you said, there is also this cashout fee rule which discourages the investment a little more...
I see, I understand your point, it is not so good to invest in casino right? maybe I will be just a player not an investor, I realize that you are right, what if the casino can no longer sustain the big amount of money to winners? not all casinos get huge number of players consistently everyday. To be a player is risky enough for me, I will just stay as a player so that I can go to another casinos if you want.
Yes. It's a must to check casino's traffic and how much gamblers are wagering on a daily basis before starting the investment. Some examples of good casinos to invest before, but no longer available were YoloDice and Crypto Games. Those were decently profitable (at least when investing bitcoin, although I'm not so sure about altcoins, because their results used to be much more unstable and inconsistent).

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It's  not a bad idea to invest in stocks of gambling companies. In my opinion anybody who is looking to invest money should atleast put some of his funds into stocks. Historically stocks have outperformed most of the other asset classes. A well diversified portfolio should contain stocks, crypto currencies, commodities, real estate and bonds. Especially now with 2 digit inflation rates it becomes more important to look for high return investments. The problem with the list of companies you propose is that many of them operate physical casinos, which have a lot of areas that are part of their business model. All of the big casinos also operate hotels that have a lot of costs and could be affected harshly again by another covid wave. That's why I would prefer to invest only in online casinos without all the side business. Also gambling returns are very different from investing. With gambling we can get our winnings immediately, as for stocks it can take years for the stock price to rise.

It is must knowledge before diving with this kind of investment, though I go with that sentiment, diverting your investment to every venue that you think it will grow is not a bad idea, and if you have good knowledge about gambling business and you trust the owners, you can place or money or buy stocks from their companies.

But again, you should know how the business works, just like how the management distributes the money that is invested. There are many ways of investment but for passive one it will take time.

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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.
This is probably why investing in casinos is only for rich men in the country because it’s only them that they can fund sufficiently and will become sustainable after a long duration. Of course, big capital, huge returns. The reason why these big fishes continue to become richer and prosper, because there are definitely huge profits waiting for them in casinos investments. The thing which, regular investors won’t be hard to achieve because they don’t have sufficient funds for casinos investments.

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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.



Here in our country, the government is the one running the casinos individuals or groups can run a junket operation and get a percentage of the profit, like all the other stocks there's also risk involved in investing in casinos, casino operations have a low and peak season and we have seen that casinos are not a very stable business as there are conditions that casinos cease operation just like what happened in a pandemic and an earthquake or natural calamities or economic or political situation in a country where they operate, before investing in casinos be sure to know all the risks and get a good broker.

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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.
This is probably why investing in casinos is only for rich men in the country because it’s only them that they can fund sufficiently and will become sustainable after a long duration. Of course, big capital, huge returns. The reason why these big fishes continue to become richer and prosper, because there are definitely huge profits waiting for them in casinos investments. The thing which, regular investors won’t be hard to achieve because they don’t have sufficient funds for casinos investments.
Agreed, casino investment is much for the rich than the common people. There'll be ways, but to explore and making an investment is risky. Investment on Casinos will be always profiting. Maybe there'll be small difference between the monthly gains. Some of our firms too have investment opportunity for everyone, but the profit in terms of interest is very low.
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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.

This last point that the funds may be used by the casino to pay their winners is enough for me, not to invest in the casino's fund. This is too risky deal and i would not invest my hard earned money in that casino.

Also wouldn't it be better if we keep the casino gambling and investing separate as that would make more sense and the risk will be low too?

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October 03, 2022, 04:42:13 AM
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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.

This last point that the funds may be used by the casino to pay their winners is enough for me, not to invest in the casino's fund. This is too risky deal and i would not invest my hard earned money in that casino.

Also wouldn't it be better if we keep the casino gambling and investing separate as that would make more sense and the risk will be low too?

It will definitely be a big risk since we will be needing a huge amount of funds. You have to make sure that you can manage to face the risk of losing your big amount of capital when investing directly in online casinos. I would rather risk m funds on betting where I have my own control over my money and the risk is still manageable. It will only fit those who have huge capital though it's a good business.
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It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

It mightn't just be as juicy as they're making it sound, and won't be profitable to the average Joe that has little money to put into this socks in expectations of huge return unlike when they gamble with those funds. One thing gambling sells that bring about patronage is the idea that you use very little to earn huge.  For your to be very profitable for this investment, you have to have huge capital or have the first mover advantage on your side (that is you been among the early investors as such you can get the stocks at very cheap price).

Another thing you should consider is the ability to spot casino that'll do very well over time and their tokens or stock will become profitable. The popularity of a casino most times doesn't reflect on the price of their stocks and most especially tokens as casinos coins are still struggling in the crypto ecosystem. And that's majorly because casino hardly prioritize the use of their tokens on their platforms (which would have driven up the price of their tokens, if they have done so) instead they leave room for accepting well established coins like BTC as this trends to attract gamblers more.

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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

You just said 15.5% rise in 1yr, when Bitcoin is getting this value in 24hrs, isn't that amazing? Because to me Bitcoin remains the best option for long-term investment. But in as much as you just said that investing in stock from worthy casinos could be another way of generating revenue but I'm sure they can never be as lucrative as gambling whereby with just $100 or below, you can stand the chance of winning over $1million in few hours or lose your entire funds, which has its advantage and disadvantages. Likewise investing in stocks from casinos that can easily be affected faster by market inflation (recession)

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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.
This is probably why investing in casinos is only for rich men in the country because it’s only them that they can fund sufficiently and will become sustainable after a long duration. Of course, big capital, huge returns. The reason why these big fishes continue to become richer and prosper, because there are definitely huge profits waiting for them in casinos investments. The thing which, regular investors won’t be hard to achieve because they don’t have sufficient funds for casinos investments.

it becomes a habit that they can easily invest anywhere, because they have large enough funds so that gambling sites can become the target of rich people to invest in them.  both will be equally profitable, the site owner gets a guarantee from investors to spin his money to enlarge his site.  For big investors Investing in gambling sites is their main target to develop their money, because since the pandemic until now online gambling users have increased and are in great demand by the public.
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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.
This is probably why investing in casinos is only for rich men in the country because it’s only them that they can fund sufficiently and will become sustainable after a long duration. Of course, big capital, huge returns. The reason why these big fishes continue to become richer and prosper, because there are definitely huge profits waiting for them in casinos investments. The thing which, regular investors won’t be hard to achieve because they don’t have sufficient funds for casinos investments.
Agreed, casino investment is much for the rich than the common people. There'll be ways, but to explore and making an investment is risky. Investment on Casinos will be always profiting. Maybe there'll be small difference between the monthly gains. Some of our firms too have investment opportunity for everyone, but the profit in terms of interest is very low.
If I am correct there is a way for a normal person to invest in such a company whether it's for gambling or not that requires a large sum to invest. One possible way to join a small investiture company that allows a person to invest is by creating a group buy which is subjected to be divided on equal to each investor depending on the amount they'll invest on.

Also, Investing in a casino doesn't necessarily mean that someone will profit whether they invest in it in the short or long term. Just as you've said, any type of investment has its own risk and the same goes for gambling investment or casino investment.

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October 04, 2022, 06:37:48 AM
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I think it's really difficult to invest in a casino like some friends have said here because maybe we can get profits considering the casino income is also very large and has the potential to be a money machine, I haven't found a good site to invest in casino stocks, but this is a very good thread. interesting
If you understand how it works then yeah you may be partaking and will profit but if not then best to divert to other forms of investing like In projects or in trading .


We have seen platforms that offers good return but always remember that as long as we have no deeper knowledge then never risk our money on that because we are the one to suffer , specially in gambling in which mostly there are event that the site suffers most issues.

though I have known many that earns in here but I never tried nor consider to be one.

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I think as usual dividend paying gambling companies are more worth to invest in. I think it's definitely good idea to invest into gambling business if you are interested in their operation. I feel like casinos are too much energy consuming (especially incredible electricity consumption) but Las Vegas will always be capital of casinos in the world. Investing is far better than gambling yourself in my opinion. Risks are lower.
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I checked these casinos out and they all look like shit. There is something shady going on with these casinos probably. I mean if the house always wins, how the fuck these companies are valued so low? Most of them haven't moved an inch in 10 years. Most of them don't pay any considerable dividends neither.

They are probably stealing from their investors by cooking their books. Either way I wouldn't touch any of these.

Look like shit in what way? Land-based casinos, with apartments, crazy halls... probably with everything! I guess they don't make a profit only from gambling. I also checked some charts for Las Vegas Sands, 2020 was a bad year and I couldn't find anything about 2021. Anyway, nothing special even in their best years.


Well, after a quick check I still like this crypto way much more, casino tokens can be bought or we can earn them by playing (which is the best part), tokens are easily staked or traded, and we get daily payouts if we decide to stake them.

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AFAIK Bustadice and Bitvest are two reputable casinos in this forum that still offer bankroll investment, so if you really want to invest you can choose those casinos. Although it sound investing in casinos are very profitable since the house always win, but they have a rules about withdraw fees where you want to withdraw your money from the bankroll investment. It depends on each casinos, just like Bustadice who ask 2% of the total investment.

If you didn't hold for long and withdraw your investment before it reach at least 2% profit, you'll loss.
Oh, yes, thanks for mentioning these ones, although I haven't heard positive feedbacks from the profitability point of view about these casinos. If I remember correctly someone who invested in Bitvest had his investment pretty negative (in LTC currency I think), while Bustadice didn't show expressive results too. To make this kind of investment worth I believe the casino has to be very active and popular, otherwise it will be a risky deal, since few gamblers can come in, win a big prize, go away and there won't be many customers/gamblers to cover the loss the casino and investors had. Then you might have your money stuck there for a long time just to recover the same amount your deposited initially.

And as you said, there is also this cashout fee rule which discourages the investment a little more...
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If 100 players won a fair amount in a day, it can greatly affect the bankroll of the casino and even one's bankroll investment. IMO investing in casino bankroll is tricky and more dangerous than investing directly in the platform and helping it develop its infrastructures. The return is lower on the latter but it ensures that you'll have profits over time compared to just investing on a bankroll wherein a good day for someone is a bad day for you.

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Through July 2022, American gaming revenue hit $34.3 billion, a 15.5 percent rise from the same period in 2021, according to the American Gaming Association.
It can be a small minded thing to think that the only way to benefit from casinos and sports betting places is to gamble there. Investing in casinos and sports betting can be a profitable deal for you if you invest and buy good stock from worthy casinos.

You just said 15.5% rise in 1yr, when Bitcoin is getting this value in 24hrs, isn't that amazing? Because to me Bitcoin remains the best option for long-term investment. But in as much as you just said that investing in stock from worthy casinos could be another way of generating revenue but I'm sure they can never be as lucrative as gambling whereby with just $100 or below, you can stand the chance of winning over $1million in few hours or lose your entire funds, which has its advantage and disadvantages. Likewise investing in stocks from casinos that can easily be affected faster by market inflation (recession)

Look again, the 15.5% rise is in billions, I don't think those are small money you will consider not good enough as an investment, bitcoin may be another key investment but both are two different things, if Bitcoin is the only way for you, that's fine but companies now diversify their investment strategically in a way they share them in a ratio which we have seen MicroStrategy have all adopted.
Buying a stock of a casino is different from playing in the casino itself and judging from what OP said above, you get some advantages over other players and perhaps dividends in return for investing in their stocks.  Also, I don't think there is any casino you could just use $100 to win $1 million, this is possible but they are rare my friend.

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The thing is, it's not easy to invest in these entities unless you have millions to use as a capital for investment. They'd probably focus more on the big fishes to keep on funding their platform rather than small timers like us to give them a steady stream of funding. While on paper, with these numbers included, it is a no-brainer to invest on these platforms, in practice (especially crypto gambling platforms) your investment can only last for a few months before it gets used up by the casino as a payout for their winners.

Investments in casinos are only noticeable if your share is a big percentage of the overall. That just means that to attain such felt interest and profit coming, you must also have a big amount at stake on them which may equal to hundreds or even millions especially if we are talking about a big casino which have built their name and reputation for the past years and is still being patronized by many.

It's also risky to invest in just whatever casino you know is operating now because in order to guarantee or at the very least maximize the potential of your money to grow, a casino must be well-known and used. Background checking is a must and hastily deciding shouldn't be an option. It would be a suicide mission if you'll just careless invest in something you don't know about. Their target surely are those who can invest millions, but they also accept those little investments. Just be reminded though that the moment things don't go well, they will prioritize first their biggest investors so still, be cautious in picking and deciding whether where to invest and how much you will risk.
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I think as usual dividend paying gambling companies are more worth to invest in. I think it's definitely good idea to invest into gambling business if you are interested in their operation. I feel like casinos are too much energy consuming (especially incredible electricity consumption) but Las Vegas will always be capital of casinos in the world. Investing is far better than gambling yourself in my opinion. Risks are lower.

It's a good passive investment if the business are continue growing stronger, and with that basis the chance of gaining decent profits is possible, as we know from you mentioned casino business, Las vegas is really on top and if you manage to invest your money on their stocks the chance that you will earn will be there for you, though same with the other stocks if there's some news that will affects the business then expect that you will also see negative from your investment, it needed to have a good preparation before you deal and invest your hard earned money.

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October 04, 2022, 10:58:47 PM
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I think as usual dividend paying gambling companies are more worth to invest in. I think it's definitely good idea to invest into gambling business if you are interested in their operation. I feel like casinos are too much energy consuming (especially incredible electricity consumption) but Las Vegas will always be capital of casinos in the world. Investing is far better than gambling yourself in my opinion. Risks are lower.

It's a good passive investment if the business are continue growing stronger, and with that basis the chance of gaining decent profits is possible, as we know from you mentioned casino business, Las vegas is really on top and if you manage to invest your money on their stocks the chance that you will earn will be there for you, though same with the other stocks if there's some news that will affects the business then expect that you will also see negative from your investment, it needed to have a good preparation before you deal and invest your hard earned money.
There's no such thing about perfect business which ending up on being profitable most of the time.Expect that there are times which we do experience negative and losses but what matter the most is that making the
business sustainable despite of those losses considering that its not permanent.Just make it sure that you investment is really on proper checking and handling.
Always consider and expect about negative and that is why you do really make necessary actions whenever you do see this one.
You wont really earn something if you wont really be putting up some risk or making these type of decisions.

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