The curious case of the Brand New user with posts

[GazetaBitcoin]

I just found, by pure chance, this user: AIbotBTC. I don't even know what I was looking for when I found it. But I remember that I noticed that our Supreme Leader (Foxpup ) distrusted him.

However, I observed something curious: while user's rank is Brand new, you can see that the user made 17 posts. As far as I know, a Brand new user turns instantly into Newbie after his first post, but this one has 17 posts yet, rank did not change.

Another curious thing is that I can not see any of those 17 posts. At least, here on the forum. And this is not because the post are made in boards which I ignored. All his posts were made in Development & Technical Discussion and Meta boards. I could see that by using ninjastic.space. However, on the forum, these posts can not be seen.

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

[AB de Royse777]

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

These are my bold guesses LOL
Looking at the trust feedback it's obvious who the account holder is, especially when the feedback were coming from NotATether, Foxpup, and dkbit98

[BITCOIN4X]

This user is autoban or maybe nuked, so I think all the posts he made have been deleted or moved. It's just that the post number on his profile didn't disappear, it appeared until now.

It could be that the post wasn't deleted, but it was moved to a board that's off-limits to newbies so no activity counts. Sorry, this is just my guess too.

https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3332102

[Charles-Tim]

It could be that the post wasn't deleted, but it was moved to a board that's off-limits to newbies so no activity counts. Sorry, this is just my guess too.

Exactly, the account has been banned. But if you also check his post history, all the posts are all deleted. Activity is used in ranking, but not even one of his posts is available, just showing he has 12 posts, but if you check his post history, all deleted.

[yahoo62278]

you can check bpip.org and see the user is banned https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3332102. It says user has 0 posts deleted, so I would have to agree that his posts were moved to the trashcan. I try not to pay attention to too many newbie accounts since technically they haven't proven themselves to the forum yet, but you never know when a newbie could turn out to be the next satoshi.

[Xal0lex]

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

[DdmrDdmr]

It seems like there are a bunch of similar cases. Going over my DB of merited profiles, there are 8 different cases, all with posts values on the post counter, all with 0 Activity and being Brand New in terms of rank:

COINSBIT.IO
BitcoinBlink
Quantumgeneration
Jaelizza
00xkramo
KawPowBoo
PhoNam
Naraju

The above is relative to profiles that have been merited, so the real number forum wide will likely be substantially greater.

[OgNasty]

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

These are my bold guesses LOL
Looking at the trust feedback it's obvious who the account holder is, especially when the feedback were coming from NotATether, Foxpup, and dkbit98

Not bad guesses. Personally, I’d guess something a little more exciting. Maybe it’s satoshi coming back and he wanted to start not just from the bottom, but below the bottom. I fully expect to see this account sign with satoshi’s keys in the near future just to give away a million BTC to users of this forum, then make back all million BTC publicly just to disappear again.

[PX-Z]

Any idea why this user did not rank up to Newbie or why his posts can not be seen on the forum?

Maybe all of the posts were moved to trashcan. This means technically the posts are not deleted but as regular users we can not see them. Since they are in trashcan, perhaps that's the reason the activity did not count to.

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

This make sense, but if posts were moved to trashcan this means, no ordinary members can see it so it should be count as zero, zero post history and zero post count.
Well,  i see theymos wont update that feature or  i should say this kinda bug.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you for your inputs so far!

I see that several of you mentioned that the user is banned... but I don't understand something: is there any connection between being banned and having those posts hidden...? I don't think there is any relevance of the user being banned / autobanned or even if he was not banned at all... Am I missing something here?

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

It seems like there are a bunch of similar cases. Going over my DB of merited profiles, there are 8 different cases, all with posts values on the post counter, all with 0 Activity and being Brand New in terms of rank

Thanks you for investigating this, Ddmr! So it seems the issue occurs on more cases... Perhaps there was a glitch at some point, due to which these users were not ranked up...?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You are correct. All of AIbotBTC user's posts were in one single topic, the topic was moved to Trashcan. And since Trashcan is not available to ordinary users, then, accordingly, all his posts are not visible to the ordinary user, but they are displayed in the user's profile, as they have not been completely removed from the forum.

Ah ha!  If I had any sMerits, I'd give you a few for teaching me a little bitcointalk minutiae that I wasn't aware of (pssst...tell the boss to up my sMerit allocation, tx)

That's a weird find, OP, but I'm much more interested in what those deleted posts were all about, and what the deal was with humanrightsfoundation.  I remember that username, but for the life of me I can't remember what kind of drama he was involved with, or when.  I guess that would be an off-topic discussion, but I'm still curious and I'll have to take a look at their profile.

[hosseinimr93]

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

I am not sure, but their post count may be corrected once theymos does a recount.
See the post I quoted below.

I did a recount of post counts earlier today. There are several bugs which cause the post count to drift from its real value over time. The current count is the accurate one.

I do recounts from time to time.

Perhaps there was a glitch at some point, due to which these users were not ranked up...?

Although those posts have been counted, their activity is zero and that's why they haven't ranked up.

[NeuroticFish]

I see that several of you mentioned that the user is banned... but I don't understand something: is there any connection between being banned and having those posts hidden...?

I think that I've seen before at least one user being banned and all their posts being obliterated. But I don't remember details.
So I would say that yes, there must be a coneection.

And from what I see in the trust feedback, the mentioned user was evading a ban, so probably it's part of some automatic "punishment" that didn't manage to "reset" everything.

Maybe a mod knows more...

[Shamm]

Wait there's more about his/her activities, why is this happening even though he/she made 12 post counted but why is that his/her activity still Zero? Is there anything wrong about this account?
Because as What I know correct me if I am wrong that the activity calculated after an hour by our post which means if we made post and after a few minutes or an hour activity will increase. But in his/her situation as we can saw in this profile it has Zero activity.

[hosseinimr93]

I think that I've seen before at least one user being banned and all their posts being obliterated. But I don't remember details.

Moderators use the "nuke" feature if they want all the posts to be deleted and the user banned, but I don't think this is what caused the wrong post count.
According to modlog, this user is the last user who has been nuked. As you see in his/her profile, the post count is correct.

[AB de Royse777]

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

Technically no, the number will show exactly the number of posts they made.
Compare it with Investigation board, Serious discussion, Ivory Tower. If you make a post in Investigation board then below members can not see it but they see the post and activity count. On Serious discussion and Ivory Tower it's the same logic but that's for below Full member rank. So everyone can see the post and activity count but they can not see the posts that they are not allowed to access.

Edit:
I am a bit in doubt about activity now after looking at the AIbotBTC activity has not been updated yet. Mod can answer on this but my guess will be when theymos scripted the activity feature then he excluded trashcan from counting it. Have in mind the SMF default feature does not have an activity module, theymos himself designed the module.

[hosseinimr93]

On Serious discussion and Ivory Tower it's the same logic but that's for below Full member rank. So everyone can see the post and activity count but they can not see the posts that they are not allowed to access.

You are wrong here.
Posts made in "Serious Discussion" and "Ivory Tower" boards don't increase your post count at all.
For more information, see the post made by theymos.

- Posts in Serious Discussion only activate a potential-activity period. They do not increase your post count.
 - Posts in Ivory Tower neither activate a potential-activity period nor increase your post count.

[AB de Royse777]

You are wrong here.
Posts made in "Serious Discussion" and "Ivory Tower" boards don't increase your post count at all.
For more information, see the post made by below.

- Posts in Serious Discussion only activate a potential-activity period. They do not increase your post count.
 - Posts in Ivory Tower neither activate a potential-activity period nor increase your post count.

Dammit! It all were in the mind and I did not crosscheck before making the post. Was I right about Investigation board?

[hosseinimr93]

Dammit! It all were in the mind and I did not crosscheck before making the post. Was I right about Investigation board?

I just made a search to find the answer and couldn't find anything. But it seems that posts made in "Investigations" board are counted and you were right about that.
For instance, notblox1 has made this post in "Investigations" board. If you check his post count, you will see that his post count is equal to number of posts displayed in his post history. If posts made in "Investigations" board weren't counted, his post post count would be lower.

[FatFork]

Thank you for your inputs so far!

I see that several of you mentioned that the user is banned... but I don't understand something: is there any connection between being banned and having those posts hidden...? I don't think there is any relevance of the user being banned / autobanned or even if he was not banned at all... Am I missing something here?

Besides, if his posts are in trashcan... shouldn't their number be shown as 0? Perhaps a mod can bring more light here...?

According to Ninjastic.space, the user has made a total of 17 posts. 13 of those posts were made in one topic (topic=5339925 ^[archive]), while the other 4 posts were made in other topics. According to this, I assume that the user's post count changes only if individual posts are deleted, but not if the entire topic is moved to a recycle board, because, technically, those posts are not deleted, but only hidden from the public. Also, hosseinimr93 mentioned that theymos periodically performs post count maintenance, because "there are several bugs which cause the post count to drift from its real value over time." ^[reference] It is possible that this is one of those bugs.

The fact that the user is banned, I think, has nothing to do with his post count (except in the case when the user is nuked).