Censorship resistance is underrated, move to bitcoin and #DeletePaypal

[BlackHatCoiner]

Hmmm..  Tank the stock out, buy in and when the sheep in mass forget and use PP because of limited options the stock goes up...

Lol. PayPal is a shitcoin.

Well, that is something I don't understand. Why do people continue using Paypal services paying absurd fees and being bullied while they could simply adopt crypto which is decentralized and let us have total control over our money and transactions?

Bad habit, I want to believe. Cryptocurrencies are newborn money in comparison with the traditional monetary system, that is alive for over a century. Plus, most cryptocurrencies are scams, and might disincentivize vendors from adoption of bitcoin (as it's seen as a "common crypto"). Journalists do some work here.

And even if customers justify they want to avoid the volatility of crypto market's currencies, they could use stablecoins in this case.

How's TerraUSD doing? 

Transaction costs might be near zero with "stablecoins", but there are other, inherited risks. But, to return on-topic: censorship resistance is not an inherited benefit. There's no doubt that the single entity that controls the currency (e.g., Tether) won't start blacklisting certain addresses at some point. In fact, it has happened in the past: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tether-blacklisted-39-ethereum-addresses-144546028.html

[Coyster]

Well, that is something I don't understand. Why do people continue using Paypal services paying absurd fees and being bullied while they could simply adopt crypto which is decentralized and let us have total control over our money and transactions?

Crypto is not decentralized, that is a misconception, there are quite a lot of centralized cryptocurrencies that are just like the traditional system, with a central body controlling the affairs of the coin, and you know what happens when a user of that coin does something that they do not like: censorship, confiscation, blacklisting, coin freeze, and so many more; it is Bitcoin that is decentralized and allows you complete control and freedom of your money.

And even if customers justify they want to avoid the volatility of crypto market's currencies, they could use stablecoins in this case.

If they want to avoid volatility for inflation, then maybe they should prolly stick with traditional fiat system rather than stablecoins, both are centralized and do not give you control of your funds. There is no difference between hodling your money in your bank account or in stablecoins.

[BlackHatCoiner]

There is no difference between hodling your money in your bank account or in stablecoins.

Yes, there is. Well, first of all, besides this meager interest rate the banks nowadays offer, Tether doesn't have a banking license, because it isn't a bank (or it isn't run as a bank, anyway). That being said, holding your money in Tether means you trust some unlicensed company to handle the credit of billions of dollars, without bankruptcy and liquidity problems. On the other hand of course, you can transfer USDT theoretically anonymously, in comparison with the bank, wherein every transaction is identified.

[justdimin]

Paypal was going down the shithole years ago. Even the fact that they "kinda" adopted Bitcoin won't change their true nature.
Unfortunately most of the Paypal customers don't care about there Terms of Service, because:
1.Paypal is simply too user-friendly and convenient, if you are a buyer.
2.The online sellers use Paypal only because millions of buyers use it as well.
This company is in the "too big to fail" category despite their transaction fees going up and their service getting worse every year.
The Paypal alternatives like Skrill, Zelle, Cashapp and the rest of the payment apps will turn into Paypal clones sooner or later.
When you use such payment service and you fund your account, your money becomes their money and you have to abide by the their rules.
Otherwise they will simply take away the money that you gave them.

Paypal with the free will chargeback was the reason they ended up getting worse and worse. I understand that it was there to prevent scam, and it makes sense if there is a proof as well. But with the current way it is, there was a good possibility that people would use it for scam instead, they would be able to buy something and then we would be seeing them do a chargeback, and that would result with a horrible loss for the seller.

Before chargeback it was scammers posing as sellers, after chargeback it was scammers posing as buyers but it’s still bad. I had so many friends who sold stuff, and got chargeback, and it was harder to recover from there and even caused the bankruptcy of some startups.

[franky1]

I'm not arguing that what they are proposing is illegal, just that it's complete horseshit. If their terms say they can put you in debt if you say something they don't like, and you continue to use their service, then sure, you can't act surprised when that's what happens. Doesn't mean it is any less horseshit that a private company are now policing what you say based on their own arbitrary decisions with zero oversight and will take your money away if you step out of line.

This is the future of fiat and CBDCs. It is terrifying. The American Social Credit System is in the works. Mass surveillance becomes a whole lot more problematic when private companies or governments can just take away your money if you commit thoughtcrime. There will never be a greater need for bitcoin.

but thats the point though
its what you got to learn

its their property..

instead of crying that if you done something in your neighbours property which they decided was bad, where they decide a baseball bat is the solution to defend themselves.. dont cry about it.

yes you may think having your skull crushed is a bit harsh for just telling the property owner that ihis wife is a fat slut.. but his house rules are his right

realise and learn and research property rights. and then build your own house with your own rules(or lack of) where you can freely invite people into your property without fear of punishment
...
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welcome to the invention called bitcoin.. people realised fiat services were bad because fiat businesses had their rules. its friggen wrote in the genesis block, one of the reasons bitcoin was invented for to offer a services that is different to the normal banking business rules..

bitcoin was invented to be a new system without a property owner of the network(until core turned up mandating changes) where the rules were simple and not requiring ID/location data. whereby people could transact between each other without worries.

yes businesses started to join at the edges of the network. including withing the developer community.. but you are not forced to use those businesses. (which is why altcoins/subnets started popping up)
but speaking just about the financial businesses, if you dont like those businesses rules for their property. dont use them. instead learn about property rights and create your own services that offer something different

this community doesnt need to have idiot crybabies crying about the businesses around bitcoin that have their own rules which is their right. instead the community needs creative people to create completely new services that dont have those rules

so instead of crying about how businesses property rights might harm your use of their business.. think about setting up your own services that do not harm you or your users

you can learn alot if you do research
EG do you know why scammers ask victims to buy giftcards like itunes vouchers and facebook credits.. its because those credits are not "currency" (something bitcoin lost when it became a currency in ~2014

so make a service that accepts 'tokens'/credits where you refuse to consider them as currency and instead define/describe them as asset property or credits that are not deemed as currency. and then use that to convert over. and you can skip the certain regulations
also things like currency swap services that are described as privacy enhancing... learn to create not currency services. but property services. where its not advertised as privacy enhancing. but instead by default just doesnt log personal details

do research and learn stuff
eg how do you think uber got around the taxicab licencing regulations
be creative and research stuff

oh and as for your favoured alt network.. yes it has flaws and bugs, but its already fallen into the currency regulations due to lack of many things.. so just call it a failed experiment.
start afresh with a new network hybrid with a new mechanism and without all the bugs and flaws. define it differently.. then with certain research you might finally have the niche service network that could actually have utility for your wishes

go discuss it with your chums, and think about solutions not just keep playing the same victim card while trying to promote something thats broke before it even got popular or cry about popular things that are limiting your use of due to rules imposed on it

[NotATether]

Why does everyone in Commiefornia catch the woke virus?

And there's no "vaccine" apparently...

Not entirely true. The vaccine is manufactured exclusively in Texas. 

What do you mean?

I'm getting a little off-topic, but my point was that people don't get woke in red (Republican) states.

[o_e_l_e_o]

There is no difference between hodling your money in your bank account or in stablecoins.

As much as I would prefer to only use bitcoin, I use a bank account and keep fiat in it. However, I have never and will never own a single dollar worth of a stablecoin. By holding a stablecoin, you are accepting all the risks of the underlying fiat (inflation, seizure, censorship, etc.), while also accepting all the additional risks of the stablecoin on top (hacks, scams, seizure, censorship, bankruptcy, etc.) You are trusting twice as many third parties for essentially no benefit.

yes you may think having your skull crushed is a bit harsh for just telling the property owner that ihis wife is a fat slut.. but his house rules are his right

Most countries don't allow you to murder someone for calling your wife a bad name, and if you think this is acceptable behavior, I don't really know what to say.

so instead of crying about how businesses property rights might harm your use of their business.. think about setting up your own services that do not harm you or your users

I have no need to set up a competitor to PayPal which is trustless and censorship resistant - we already have bitcoin. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop pointing out how terrible PayPal are.

[franky1]

@o_e_l_e_o
you are missing the entire point
especially when you ignored the context to only knit pic a analogy about a baseball bat. rather then realise the point is about the property owner having the right to defend his property

the point is learn about things like property rights.
instead of crying about how businesses use their rights to set rules on their property which is their freedom. dont cry about their freedom. instead if you and your crew of idiots are so cry baby about how the fiat system know their rights about property they own.. learn the same rights and rules so that you can offer something that competes.

you and your crew have been for a while now trying to get people to use mixers without realising that mixers will cause more surveillance. you have been crying about how businesses have KYC/AML .. and then you go about and cry that bitcoin is broke to advertise another network that again actually gets people highlighted more..

so instead of saying that businesses and people should not have any property rights to defend their property.. instead wake up and realise that people and businesses should have rights to do as they please and set their own rules.. and then set up services that actually fulfill your wishes

property rights are a stronger defence for your "privacy" than the currency laws of finance. do not expect privacy under items that are deemed as currency. learn the difference between property and currency laws/policy/rights. learn how to defend yourself and learn how to set things up that actually do help people. rather then the games you have been playing

if there is a business that has terms you dont like.. find one that doest. if you cant find one. make one

if you just want to cry that bitcoin should be bastardised more to become more private by destroying its accounting system and provenance of all utxo's back to their mined coinbase. jsut so you can avoid businesses tracking you..  then you are not helping bitcoin have a "good money" system. you are destroying bitcoin whole purpose of good money. and not solving the big picture

if you want to limit bitcoin to not be fit for 1 billion unbaked 3rd world people by your silly "not for coffee" rhetoric you are nto helping bitcoin. your instead trying to limit and set sully political/social rules on bitcoin with your campaigns.
and if you are now crying about how people should not be able to control how their own property is managed. you again are destroying all the freedoms that you have pretended to want

so instead of thinking your crew should go on some silly campaign to get businesses to stop defending their own property
by trying to lobby that businesses and people should not have property rights

instead learn about and use those property rights and be creative to build something better

what you need to realise is a term called capitalism.. where big business know their property rights and common people dont. which then puts big business in more power

if you learn about property rights you can defend yourself better against the big businesses you hate. or create a second option which people can use instead of it

however
as soon as you start campaigning that people and businesses should not have the right to set terms on their own property. you are destroying freedoms

oh and no dont even bother trying to knit pick some snippet of an analogy to avoid the context to avoid understanding the context/point

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here is the funny thing. by saying paypal should not be able to set membership rules of its property your are actually calling for to have regulators and law makers to jump in and prevent/destroy freedoms/property rights
have a long and hard think about that

the simple answer is not to lobby or cry about business terms of their property.. but instead realise they have those rights.. and simple learn to read their terms and if you dont like them. dont use that business

dont hate property rights. dont try crying that property rights are bad. instead learn about property rights and use them for your own benefit

emphasis
learn and use property rights to your own benefit

[o_e_l_e_o]

You are the one introducing analogies which are completely missing the point.

Again, I'm not arguing that a private company cannot make rules about how you interact with that private company. Of course they can. What I'm saying is that PayPal appointing themselves the sole arbiters of truth, and fining users money that has nothing to do with PayPal is horseshit. If you have no problem with some faceless stranger seizing your assets because you said something they don't like, then again I don't really know what to say. I hear North Korea is nice this time of year? You're gonna go wild for CBDCs?

All your usual ranting about Lightning and mixers is entirely irrelevant and entirely off topic, so I will not derail this thread by debunking your nonsense for the n^th +1 time.

[franky1]

but paypal are not fining people for things unrelated to paypal services

paypal are not the arbiters of truth of the world outside of paypal services/related companies

its policy was about if you scam people with horseshit, snake oil, false information.. EG false advertising goods on ebay(a paypal company) or you set up some scam where you ask users to pay you via paypal. then expect to be punished if that policy was in place
..
they are not arbiters of truth of the whole world outside of paypal services. dont be an idiot. you sound like a drugged up paranoid idiot

do your research. learn how the real world works
if you fear being charged a penalty by paypal for being a horseshit salesmen..
a. dont use paypal to sell your horseshit
b. set up your own payment system business that has no horseshit penalty clause
c. stop being a horseshit salesman

take this example.
you say alot of horseshit on this forum. (mostly just echo's of horseshit said by your pals without you even thinking or learning if its correct)
 but you do not sell that horseshit via paypal. but just said horseshit.  they wont penanlise you for saying crap here. because your not using their service to do it

however if you did try selling horseshit on this forum via paypal and their policy was in place. then expect to get penalised
LEARN THE DIFFERENCE!!!

sober up, get therapy for your paranoia, take off that tin foil hat.. and stop echo chamber repeating crap your buddies think.. then decide one day to actually learn how the real world works.

paypal is not censoring the world, its just defending its property from its users ABUSING paypal

lets take an example mentioned in this topic
the freedom convoy.

learn this.. and do your research outside and apart from your buddies opinions
the truckers of the convoy had a reason for their protest.*
however separate from this were a bunch of known scammy anti-gov conspiracy/lying idiots profiting from the event via some misinformation and some other scammy games.

*i personally would have loved to directly pay the truckers for their plight, to cover their costs of living expenses losses for doing their protest. but i refused to pay the promoters who had other idea's in mind

if you learn more about the promoters asking for donations. and you learn about their abuse and misinformation. you will learn why the donations were seized and accounts frozen.. big hint.. its not about the same reasons as the truck drivers plight

now here is the big picture
read the topic title
if you dont like paypals policy. dont use paypal

instead be creative and create a service on bitcoin that offers the services paypal does. but without the paypal policies

learn how to get around the "currency" laws which CFTC/SEC and FATF impose.
be creative and set up something new.

remember paypal is a business not a currency
bitcoin is a currency not a business

if you want a paypal-esque service/business but without the paypal policy.. create it

[o_e_l_e_o]

Just some more PayPal censorship: https://hongkongfp.com/2022/10/12/paypal-hk-halts-payments-to-hong-kong-pro-democracy-group-citing-unspecified-excessive-risks/

Censoring any donations to a Hong Kong pro-democracy group due to "excessive risks", but at no point tells anyone, including the group themselves, what those "excessive risks" are. Sounds like China are in charge of PayPal company policy now.

Great to see more and more fiat companies shoot themselves in the foot like this. Can't censor donations with bitcoin!

[Rikafip]

Saw this the other day, had to share it. I sure hope people watched this cult classic and I never thought (at least not back in 1993-1994) that world depicted in Demolition Man will start becoming reality.

[tadamichi]

learn this.. and do your research outside and apart from your buddies opinions
the truckers of the convoy had a reason for their protest.*
however separate from this were a bunch of known scammy anti-gov conspiracy/lying idiots profiting from the event via some misinformation and some other scammy games.

*i personally would have loved to directly pay the truckers for their plight, to cover their costs of living expenses losses for doing their protest. but i refused to pay the promoters who had other idea's in mind

if you learn more about the promoters asking for donations. and you learn about their abuse and misinformation. you will learn why the donations were seized and accounts frozen.. big hint.. its not about the same reasons as the truck drivers plight

Nice theory, but:

Even a $20 donation to the Freedom Convoy after Feb. 15 could result in the donor’s bank accounts being frozen, a Commons committee heard Tuesday.
[...]
Such action, she said, would only be taken on donations made after Feb. 15’s emergency declaration and isn’t retroactive — adding such a case would be “very unlikely,” but definitely possible.
[...]
"The de-banking provisions are so broad, that literally a clerk at a Kwik-E-Mart who sold a propane canister to a protester could have his accounts frozen.”

And there was reports that it even happened to people who donated before the "Emergencies" Act was in place, retroactively. Then its a question of who to trust more, the people/ institutions responsible for repeated tyranny, that have an incentive to lie and are caught lying to the public 24/7 - or people who stood up against years of tyranny that was based on proveable misinformation.

It just has nothing to do with abuse, misinformation or scammy promoters profiting, none of these actions were taken because of this. There are ∞ counterexamples.
 
Any of these institutions and the dumber/ or corrupt part of the population will comply with tyranny no matter what nowadays, that is the real problem. They will break/ abuse all rules and policies the moment it is convenient to them. Idk where you still take your trust from that any of these policies will only be used for legitimate reasons, reality actually proves the opposite. It doesnt make sense to repeatedly refer to rules/ laws/ regulations/ policies when the only thing they do in practice is to protect offenders and are used to attack victims, basically giving anarchy to big property holders(as you like to call them) and everyone else having to live under the strictest most snowflake rules with no possibility to even defend themselves in practice.

[buwaytress]

Great to see more and more fiat companies shoot themselves in the foot like this. Can't censor donations with bitcoin!

Agreed. I shiver with some enjoyment each time I see PayPal or some other guy bending the knee to a cause not even worthy. Not that I'm a fan of anyone called celebrity but also really enjoyed reading JPMorgan cutting off Kanye West for Tweets (but of course still running Epstein's).

I know it ain't fun for people who rely on it, but as a person who relied on PP most of my freelancing life, if they didn't mess with me the way they did, I'd never have looked for an alternative, and wouldn't have found Bitcoin until much later (and may never have been prompted to use).

[o_e_l_e_o]

Idk where you still take your trust from that any of these policies will only be used for legitimate reasons, reality actually proves the opposite.

I have pointed this out to franky1 multiple times before, as he defends mass surveillance and government intrusion, while saying that nobody should use mixers or other privacy tools.

I'll repeat the quote I shared in that post above:

Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked.

franky1 epitomizes this mindset. "PayPal are free to censor anyone who uses PayPal, they are just protecting their business", he says. Even if you think that is a reasonable position to hold, you really think it will stop there? Given the history of government repression, mass surveillance, censorship through the fiat system, social credit scores, and all manner of controlling measures being forced upon us, you really think this isn't just the next step in ever more censorship and control over your lives? Governments would force fiat institutions to freeze all your accounts if you say something they don't like if they thought they could get away with it, and indeed, have already done exactly that with the Canadian truckers, Russian oligarchs, and others. If PayPal had got away with this (and I am still 100% sure they will re-implement it at some point in the future), then they will soon move on to ever more repressive policies.

[bitgolden]

You guys can continue to argue about what paypal does or doesn't do, you can find them right or wrong, but that doesn't change the main topic. If you use crypto, there is none of this, it’s all on both parties to have an agreement.

If one side scams the other, then the scammer did their job better than the person who got scammed, do not get scammed if you can, but do not put your entire life and economy in the hands of paypal just because you do not want to get scammed, which is also another way of you could get scammed because even with paypal there are scammers. So, I have to say that the best thing is still crypto, gives 100% control, you just need to be careful.

[NeuroticFish]

It just has nothing to do with abuse, misinformation or scammy promoters profiting, none of these actions were taken because of this. There are ∞ counterexamples.

That's correct. Still, their platform, their rules. This is what people seems to fall to understand: the companies are not forced to have nice and correct rules. Of course, the users are not forced to remain there.

I shiver with some enjoyment each time I see PayPal or some other guy bending the knee to a cause not even worthy. Not that I'm a fan of anyone called celebrity but also really enjoyed reading JPMorgan cutting off Kanye West for Tweets (but of course still running Epstein's).

LOL, well said! It's called "shooting themselves in the foot"
I just love Kanye West's newest hat

[BlackHatCoiner]

Of course, the users are not forced to remain there.

That's why we need education. There's a superior alternative now more, there's no need for PayPal. But, if merchants don't recognize the benefits for both themselves and the customers, they're not going to see an alternative. Just like prior 2009, when third parties for electronic transactions were necessary, they still are for some if they don't acknowledge they aren't needed.

I just love Kanye West's newest hat

I do too, but unfortunately it was a photoshop. 

[NeuroticFish]

Of course, the users are not forced to remain there.

That's why we need education. There's a superior alternative now more, there's no need for PayPal. But, if merchants don't recognize the benefits for both themselves and the customers, they're not going to see an alternative. Just like prior 2009, when third parties for electronic transactions were necessary, they still are for some if they don't acknowledge they aren't needed.

This is silly, because PayPal is favoring the customers greatly and is imho unfair against the merchants, so the merchants should be pretty eager for a change; actually should have been long ago already.

but unfortunately it was a photoshop. 

Ow too bad. (I'm now embarrassed I've fallen for this so easy.)

[franky1]

oeleo. blackhat, tademichi.. the usual culprits of censorship
your little club defended cores main dev employers business property rights (blockstreams products) which were pushed into core roadmap plan) to do the mandatory split.  where anyone opposing blockstreams product push into cores roadmap were treated not as just bitcoiners that reject a bip. but instead treated as complete opposition/enemies to all of bitcoin..

your lil gang even made a topic trying to to get me banned because i dont stop trying to remind people of that corporate push

so stop playing censorship victim when you are highly censorship instigators. yep your group are also the main 12 preachers of saying the same echo'd scripts of denying bitcoin access to billions of people with your ignorant and narrow minded  recited speaches of "bitcoin shouldnt be used for coffee purchases" which in your narrow minds dont realise is the spending amount of 1 billion 3rd world countries weekly wage (yep $3 is a weeks wage for billion people who you decided should not be using bitcoin)

so instead o crying/playing victim. and then shouting some unresearched conspiracy theory that lacks basic knowledge of facts, data and how the world actually works, EG that a fiat business is using its legal rights on its guests...
.. realise what those rights are.. realise how its able to have those rights, and then instead of cry about it.. use it

instead of playing victim that it uses its rights.. instead grow a conscience, some morals. and think of (for once) offering a service that competes against the service you hate. that actually morally and ethically offers something better for everyone
its not about me defending "survellaience state" (because i dont))
its about me not being a drugged up paranoid idiot (because i dont do drugs)
its about me being a sober person that has done the research to know what the laws/rights/rules are to understand the rights rules and laws are..

put simply.. i have been involved in bitcoin since 2012. i have a larger hoard then your motley crew put together. and while you cry about privacy of your small illicit activities.. guess what. you cannot find my stash of coins, i dont advertise businesses that cause red flags of surveillance(unlike you lot) and i know how to be risk adverse and protect my property

knowledge is power

you dont have to side with something just because you know how it works

its not about me siding with "gov"/"them". because get this.. i do not side with the globalist elite of corporate greed and control

you can play ignorant and the name call and try to pigeon hole me as "enemy" to anything you want to promote all you like.
but just do the research

stop shouting "government surveillance" when the reality is there is no government department watching everything..
realise the REALITY. its BUSINESSES that are delegated to keep records on their customers.

the foolish thing is you want to cry that businesses are using their laws against customers and so want to then lobby governments to then regulate businesses and destroy the fundamental principles of property rights..


when you learn how the real world works. you can learn the real targets to avoid. and then learn the knowledge you need to then defend your property better by using some of the rights that you are crying are being used against you

so please do some research
then you can learn to offer solutions that work around the real threats

while you idiots created paranoid anti-gov conspiracies to then want to brutilise bitcoin as your silly foolish "solution" for your own personal greed without thinking of the ramifications..

learn whats really happening. learn who to actually target/avoid. such as CEX/mixers/buggy flawed subnetworks over promised and over promoted as utopian "top" next gen shit

bitcoin was created to be something different to fiat rules.
yep fiat is a property of central banks and central banks are a business. as are the SEC and the CFTC they are businesses too set up to makage things. LEARN THIS SHIT

stop advertising companies/ broken networks and crying about other companies. stop calling bitcoin broke and censoring bitcoin with your foolish tin foil stories
yes
governments have gained a footing into jurisdictions that then allow businesses to not treat bitcoin as a property of people but as a currency which puts it in the realm of laws that restrict privacy

yep again i need to remind you since the 2014 inception of mainstream definition of bitcoin as a currency. the ramifications of that is that bitcoin is  no longer 100% protected by its own property laws. but instead weakened those rights by now being a currency.. because once you put currency into a businesses hands. its their property, along with you giving them your personal info and bank account numbers allowing them access.. meaning dues to currency laws of bank secrecy act (bank being a business)  privacy has be  redefined.
businesses can monitor things more.
this is not a bitcoin fault/flaw.. its about being defined as a currency instead of a property


so stop trying to brutilise bitcoin to work around the currency laws. by defining bitcoin as useless for accountable property ownership. (you wanting to destroy the provenance/accounting system of bitcoin) and shift people to other networks
stop saying bitcoin is not fit due to your ignorance of whats actually occurring..
stop crying that property rights should not exist

and instead realise we should actually be USING property rights to defend bitcoin against the silly rules of other businesses trying to get their finger into bitcoin

if all you want to do is cry about a business using its property rights. while playing ignorant that you dont know or understand property rights and want to say lets avoid or try to lobby to destroy property rights.. just take a step back. learn something.. and then
USE THE rights. not fight them

oh and if you want to play ignorant and just turn this into a opportunity to respond about your lack of knowledge of property rights to say i must be wrong due to baseball bat analogy (something you are hung up on)

realise this.
2 people can enter a room purely for the sole purpose of punching the heck out of each other until one person is knocked out. where there can be thousands of witnesses. and none of them would call the cops about an assault. and none of them would get arrested even if cops turned up..
yep. property owner sets the terms of use of his property that people can enter his property and fight until knocked out and not be a criminal.... its called.. a boxing arena

also its not allowed to drive a unlicenced go-kart on county/country/main roads.. its not legal to shoot a gun in public

yet there are shooting ranges and go-kart circuits on private land..

uber found ways to set up a business to compete against the taxi regulations..

so think beyond your cries of playing victim that paypal might hurt you. and instead think beyond your tears and find solution
but just be sure your solutions dont have flaws, bugs or ways to rip people off.. in short try something different