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October 11, 2022, 04:24:14 PM
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a bad fellow would have used the opportunity to execute illicit operation on bitcoin and extorting funds from those that sent him mails.
A bad person that many people believe to be the bitcoin creator can probably deceive people and extort money from them, heck people send funds to dummy/scam celebrity accounts to double their bitcoin for them, not to talk of an account or a person they think is Satoshi, you are correct on this that he may extort funds from people.

But what the person cannot do is perform any illicit operation on the bitcoin protocol, even satoshi himself cannot successfully do that because bitcoin is not under his control, any illicit operation will be rejected by miners/nodes, that is why decentralization makes bitcoin very unique and safe.

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October 11, 2022, 06:04:29 PM
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Ever since I found out about bitcoin, this is honestly the first time I've heard of Michael Clear being accused of being a satoshi and I've only just seen his image. There are many names I've heard that might also be referred to as satoshi, such as; Hal Finney, Dorian Nakamoto, Craig Wright, but everyone can't prove it.

However, what Michael Clear does must of course get a good response from the community so he doesn't have to prove anything to the community. A person who claims to be a satoshi is much more likely not to be a satoshi, but otherwise a satoshi would not claim to be a satoshi so easily.
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October 11, 2022, 09:46:06 PM
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Ever since I found out about bitcoin, this is honestly the first time I've heard of Michael Clear being accused of being a satoshi and I've only just seen his image. There are many names I've heard that might also be referred to as satoshi, such as; Hal Finney, Dorian Nakamoto, Craig Wright, but everyone can't prove it.

However, what Michael Clear does must of course get a good response from the community so he doesn't have to prove anything to the community. A person who claims to be a satoshi is much more likely not to be a satoshi, but otherwise a satoshi would not claim to be a satoshi so easily.

For the three names of the people you mentioned I have seen them in various news articles, but all of them are just for entertainment. Michael Clear may be the best here, but I'm still inclined to be unsure if he's really Satoshi. Apart from that, I don't really care who Satoshi Nakamoto is, I'd rather not know his real face. Most importantly he has helped us to make it easy and safe to transact quickly using bitcoin.

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October 11, 2022, 10:21:23 PM
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Never really saw a thread about him being Satoshi despite me being in crypto for more than 5 years.

He doesn't look like a tech guy who can code but a member of a rock band. But he advocates privacy of course he will decline just as the real Satoshi would. There is nothing worth keeping for someone who has everything but privacy. You wouldn't want to live like the actors and actresses who keep hiding from the public and can't even go to a park to walk their dogs.




Even myself, this is my first time on knowing for a certain guy accused to be Satoshi but totally had been denied.Its totally opposite on what we are seeing on newer years that lots had been fighting on getting that

Satoshi Nakamoto spot or title.People are different when it comes to fame which either there are ones who do really loves to be famous and there are ones who do love to be alone.Considering the general essence of

Bitcoin then we could really tell that Satoshi itself wont really be tending to expose himself into the public.If he had the intentions on the first place then he had already done that
earlier.

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October 11, 2022, 10:34:42 PM
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He is wise and honest enough by denying that he is not Satoshi. He should have his own reasons why he denied it because he is not Satoshi is the truth. By denying it, he may be calmer in life. We know that Satoshi is one of the most hunted people in the world, the person who has always been searched for. the man that invented Bitcoin. With the name, the person may hold very big pressure, and accusations, and also probably many parties will accuse, give probelms, and also probably be jail. That is why denying is a good decision.

He doesn't look like a tech guy who can code but a member of a rock band.
Quite true, but in fact, he is a cryptographer  Grin
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October 11, 2022, 10:48:39 PM
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I never heard of this guy, it might be suspected because of his work as a cryptographer.
If there's deserving to be called Satoshi, I rather called Hal Finney a Satoshi because in the first place they had an interaction before and I doubt that's one of the members who created Bitcoin (because I doubt Satoshi is not one person).

He doesn't look like a tech guy who can code but a member of a rock band.
Quite true, but in fact, he is a cryptographer  Grin
At the first glance, he is really a coder.
Long hair and wears eyeglasses that look very busy his entire life being a coder.

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October 11, 2022, 11:13:12 PM
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He have did the rightful and now if he looks back he once again feels happy on his decision. If he have accepted himself to be Satoshi, now more and more questions could've arisen towards him. Moreover governments would've started to watch him. A freaky cryptographer, and identity of Satoshi won't gets revealed forever. Quite often we can see some people claiming themselves as Satoshi, among few good ones like Micheal who denies they aren't real Satoshi.

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October 12, 2022, 01:51:39 AM
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Michael Clear just clearly demolished Craig Wright who is fighting everyone and using his wealth just for the world to accept that he is the guy we are looking for. Michael Clear is very "clear" on this aspect: he is not Satoshi Nakamoto and he is not planning to use this opportunity to be known anywhere and give up his privacy which am sure he is valuing a lot. Maybe Craig should be taking the cue from Michael...because while Craig is very "Wrong" here we can see another man is very "Clear"...and that is amazing.

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I'm not also not familiar with the name, maybe in crypto or any other secure communications protocol or cryptography.

But in any case, yes, this man knows whats coming if he pretend to be Satoshi, just like what infamous CW is trying to portray when everyone around here knows that he is not Satoshi. So kudos to this guy for coming out in public and clearing his name and it is the right decision indeed. And for sure, Satoshi will no longer reappear but his invention will remain with us.

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October 12, 2022, 04:03:33 AM
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A cryptographer named Michael Clear declined the wonderful offer, after he was said to be Satoshi. Accepting the false claim would have made him famous till date but he made the right choice. Hence, someone is in court paying lots of money to lawyers claiming to be Satoshi, what an Irony.
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You said famous till date but for most here including me, this is the first time that I've heard that name.

I guess his surname is already saying that he isn't Satoshi because it's very "clear" that he is not and why somebody would claim them to be Satoshi. Only a crazy man like Craig Wright can do it because he's crazy Cheesy.

Now to answer the question, I will decline it immediately and for sure many others would because of security purposes and I'm thinking even though the real Satoshi will decline the accusation even he/they know inside that they is/are Satoshi.

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October 12, 2022, 11:02:45 PM
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I still have David Kleiman as the #1 Satoshi candidate.

He is the only candidate considered a world class security expert. Which would have been necessary to adopt elliptic curve signatures over other encryption standards which were later found to be compromised.

Kleiman unfortunately passed away in 2013. Which would explain everything about Satoshi's absence. And the inability of other Satoshi candidates to provide private keys for early BTC mined by Satoshi.

Nick Szabo could be the #2 Satoshi candidate. But I think he lacks the technical and programming skills to create something like bitcoin. He lacks the engineering and security credentials.
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I imagine the nature of Satoshi Nakamoto should he or she be an individual to be a very humble person. To have thought and created something so useful in our world today today yet chose to stay anonymous on his invention and have no desire to use it in extorting the public is just something Craig Wright will never be. Same reason why his going to court over any objection to his claims is the same for which someone outrightly rejects. So humble and that's the Satoshi/crypto nature in him. His Satoshi alright, we are all Satoshi for choosing to stay anonymous, take no credit in the aids we render through cryptocurrency, our teachings in the forum and staying true to the pioneers invention.
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October 12, 2022, 11:51:34 PM
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I imagine the nature of Satoshi Nakamoto should he or she be an individual to be a very humble person. To have thought and created something so useful in our world today today yet chose to stay anonymous on his invention and have no desire to use it in extorting the public is just something Craig Wright will never be. Same reason why his going to court over any objection to his claims is the same for which someone outrightly rejects. So humble and that's the Satoshi/crypto nature in him. His Satoshi alright, we are all Satoshi for choosing to stay anonymous, take no credit in the aids we render through cryptocurrency, our teachings in the forum and staying true to the pioneers invention.
Lots had been claiming that they are Satoshi nakamoto but we know that there's only one thing that they could prove it out which is to move those funds into those known satoshi nakamoto wallets.

We could really point out fingers on those presume or assumed Satoshi excluding CSW which is totally a psycho and trying hard to claim to be SN but the community isnt that dumb to believe with those claims.

Just looking on the thing he had invented then it would be safe to say that he isnt someone that would expose himself into the public and boasting on the project/thing that he had created.

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Famous yet we never heard him before. Lol

This is actually the first time I hear or seen that face over the entire years of me staying on this forum and it just popped up out of nowhere. Where is he when Craig Wright trying to own Bitcoin but can't show a proof? I guess he just made the right choice since everyone was asking to open or show a signed message of his first wallet who has tons of BTC.

And if I would have to choose I wouldn't accept it too since first of all it's hard to stay hot in the public eyes plus the authority that might want to push the centralized system for Bitcoin.

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Similar to others also not have heard about this ever brought up in the list of satoshis and don't why people always run behind these things linking up the fake connections to provide new drama in market.He is clearly stating that he has not invented btc so why run behind him like dorian nakamoto? You would never take the open responsibility to claim something that is not yours because government and media will surround you with lot of enquiries and put pressure on you.

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Never really saw a thread about him being Satoshi despite me being in crypto for more than 5 years.

He doesn't look like a tech guy who can code but a member of a rock band. But he advocates privacy of course he will decline just as the real Satoshi would. There is nothing worth keeping for someone who has everything but privacy. You wouldn't want to live like the actors and actresses who keep hiding from the public and can't even go to a park to walk their dogs.

If this story is true the guy did the best to come out open and say he is not the real satoshi. If it were to be one of these scammers it would  have been an opportunity to scam people to make money from this claim. It just good to be real and nobody else, claiming to be Satoshi has a lot of bad effect, if the real satoshi is not the kind of person that is private I think it would have cause something bad to him. Government would have have been is biggest enemy to bring him down.

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Claiming other people are claiming you are Satoshi is a way that some fakers promote their fakery.  But in this case, I weakly recognized the name and 10 seconds on the forum search confirm that people have indeed claimed as much, so I'm confident that the denial was not just a sideways way of claiming to be Satoshi.

It's really terrible to be falsely accused of being Satoshi when you're not (and when you're not planning on scamming anyone using it):  Satoshi's identity is far far more interesting to mentally ill people than it is to ordinary people, as ordinary people usually only find it a mild curiosity at most-- after all Bitcoin was designed so that the identity of its creator wouldn't matter-- but there are more than a few mentally ill people who are utterly obsessed with it.  Obsessed crazies have been known to murder famous people in order to make themselves memorable to history.

Satoshi's identity is also far more interesting to kidnappers and robbers, for obvious reasons: he's alleged to control a large amount of Bitcoin.   You really don't want a bunch of crazy or criminal people making you a target of their adventures, esp because the cost of security against these sorts of threats is quite substantial, limiting your exposure in public stinks, etc.

Often celebrities have significant incomes that can pay for security costs as a cost of doing business-- that isn't the case for people falsely accused of being Satoshi.

Famous yet we never heard him before. Lol

One thing folks may be missing when they note that they haven't heard of him is that the view from the driver's seat of someone's life is very different from the sidelines.  As someone who has probably received more than a typical amount of harassment and abuse, I've occasional commented to a friend about to hear back "oh, I've seen that but it wasn't really much was it?"   only to have me bring them over to the computer and show them from my perspective -- "holy shit!".

Even if you were following a person, what percentage of the messages and mentions to and of them do you think you see?  1%?   If you're not following them maybe a tiny tiny percentage 0.0001%?   You can't even see meatspace or private interactions at all.  So anything you see you could imagine that being multiplied by 100 or 1000 times.   There seems to be a weird effect where nice comments tend to get made in public while nasty/stalky/invasive comments are made more often in private, further exacerbating the effect.

So to me it's quite credible that someone you've never heard of could still have received a troubling amount of unwelcome or concerning contact.  (Doubly so in that the headline article here was published in 2013... plenty of time for people to forget about him Smiley ).

I still have David Kleiman as the #1 Satoshi candidate.
That just means you've fallen for Wright's story (abstraction v1).  There is nothing to support Kleiman here,  and Bitcoin is a mismatch of his skills: he was an IT admin guy, plugging PC parts and editing the windows registry.  There is no evidence that kleiman had substantive programming expertise (the only 'programming' he has ever been shown to have done is a trivial Visual Basic windows registry checker), nor any particular expertise in cryptography.  If Kleiman had any real experience programming it would have been brought out as evidence in the florida trial.

The only reason kleiman has ever been mentioned here is because Wright knew/feared that many would be able to tell that he obviously didn't create Bitcoin, but it would be fine for Wright's purposes (getting money predicated on access to Satoshi's coins) if people suspected that Wright was lying but still thought he had access to the coins.

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There weren't any viable options (e.g. available in openssl) which were later found to be compromised.
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Gmaxwell, I hope you don't mind being asked this question, but who would he your No.1 candidate to be Satoshi Nakamoto? Would he be someone from within the Cypherpunk mailing list? Or an outsider?

Tin-foil hats on but I believe it was someone who pretended to be an outsider, but was actually a regular. Cool

Who were the first people in that mailing list who became intruiged by the "concept/idea" of Bitcoin? One of those people might be Satoshi.

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WOULD YOU DECLINE SUCH AN ACCUSATION? Grin

Of course, i will decline. I am not qualified to be at that spot to be called Satoshi or a lair to introduce myself as someone i am not. I prefer myself to be an introvert. So my room is my world. I don't want to go out or earn public fame to ruin my world. I am happy as who i am right now.

By the way, Maybe Satoshi himself is reading this. Then here's what i have to say to him - You have paved the path, and we will walk on that to make your dream come true. We support you through every ups and downs.
You are a legend, man.

I will gladly oblige such status, not because I'm introverted or want to become one but because the narrative of bitcoin is going to change from being a decentralised value to a centralized cult and the belief of bitcoin will reduce including the soldiers surrounding and defending it over the years.
Aside from looking at the ways to protect the reputation of bitcoin, I wouldn't want to become the target and prone to the world, the governments will be hunting you, the CIA, the FBI, and the SEC and do you know why? They will all want to probe him for bringing freedom to the people and also want to have a share of that 1 million bitcoin in his custody.

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Gmaxwell, I hope you don't mind being asked this question, but who would he your No.1 candidate to be Satoshi Nakamoto? Would he be someone from within the Cypherpunk mailing list? Or an outsider?
I think it doesn't matter-- the whole innovation in Bitcoin was finding a way to make whomever created it not matter, and so it's disrespectful to both the invention and the creator to speculate.   Also, it's potentially really harmful to the target of speculation and their families.

I don't think it conflicts with the above to point out that the vast majority of the people that people speculate about have zero chance of being Bitcoin's creator based on my expertise and direct experience.
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