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October 12, 2022, 03:13:17 PM
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This would be dependent on the campaign manager if he would accept it. Maybe he is catching up with post count?
Maybe, usually depends on the manager and also on the quality post they write. But if it refers to the rules, then I think it's okay.

We have a post time limit per rank level, here's the formula based on what theymos say:

Code:
waittime = 360;
if(activity >= 15)
        waittime = (int)(90 - activity);
if(activity >= 60)
        waittime=(int)(34.7586 - (0.0793103 * activity));
if(activity >= 100)
        waittime = max((int)(14-(activity/50)), 4);

Outside the context of a signature campaign, I think that burst posts can be determined by their quality, not how long the time interval is for each post. Any user who has activity points above 100 will be able to post between 4 second intervals, so of course if they post at 5 minute intervals or less than 10 minutes per post it's not against the rules and is allowed in my opinion. But if they are in the campaign then I think the manager will be stricter about the intervals.

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October 12, 2022, 03:19:56 PM
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Profile.

I have found this guy who has written the last 4 or 5 posts in about a 5 minute interval.

What should I do? Should I report him? Should I tell his campaign manager?

Do you think this way of posting is acceptable?

If it doesn't violates the forum rules then there is nothing wrong with that.

If you feel its bursting post with low quality content then don't forget to use the report to moderator button.

Apart from this if the person is in campaign and the manager may have their own terms and conditions which is normally noticed by the manager if there is any violation and still getting paid, if it doesn't get noticed bt manager then you can use PM.



But the person you mentioned is actually w(y)ou? Huh

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October 12, 2022, 03:28:30 PM
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Only one solution:
Thermos should definitely bun him!

That aside, you should get a misleading tag also, the spammer was doing posts in 5 minutes intervals, not "last 4 or 5 posts in about a 5 minute interval"
Also, if you have a beef with the account in question you should post from your main account, not hide behind an alt!  Cheesy

Don't drink and post, it's dangerous.

Yeah right, sometimes when I read the new topics some people make and the initial replies I feel like the whole forum is sponsored by Heineken!


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October 12, 2022, 05:28:41 PM
 #24

What should I do?
I think you need to get some sleep Wink

+1
For some time I was just a listener of the Meta section. Only admits unqualified capacity on a thread full of drama. However, at this point, I am moved to comment on the sidelines of my serious reading. Why didn't the OP think about sleeping? Lol  Grin

After he wakes up, he'll probably be frowning a little bit about the link actually referring to his own post.  Roll Eyes

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October 12, 2022, 05:32:09 PM
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This would be dependent on the campaign manager if he would accept it. Maybe he is catching up with post count?
Maybe, usually depends on the manager and also on the quality post they write. But if it refers to the rules, then I think it's okay.

We have a post time limit per rank level, here's the formula based on what theymos say:

Code:
waittime = 360;
if(activity >= 15)
        waittime = (int)(90 - activity);
if(activity >= 60)
        waittime=(int)(34.7586 - (0.0793103 * activity));
if(activity >= 100)
        waittime = max((int)(14-(activity/50)), 4);

Outside the context of a signature campaign, I think that burst posts can be determined by their quality, not how long the time interval is for each post. Any user who has activity points above 100 will be able to post between 4 second intervals, so of course if they post at 5 minute intervals or less than 10 minutes per post it's not against the rules and is allowed in my opinion. But if they are in the campaign then I think the manager will be stricter about the intervals.
I was going to mention this quote by theymos also, to my understanding the 360 seconds wait time only applies to newbie accounts. I remember being confused when I first joined the forum and tried posting simultaneously, I was warned I couldn’t make another post for a time, all this ended when I reached member rank. As for whether campaign managers should add this technicality that seems to be exploited according to OP to their campaign rules, I don’t know. I think campaign managers should have the independence to manage their campaign and participants as they deem fit.

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October 12, 2022, 05:38:16 PM
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What should I do?
I think you need to get some sleep Wink

And get a dark mode userscript before you go.

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October 12, 2022, 05:42:48 PM
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I'm not really sure whether it was an experiment or you mistakenly had your profile linked.

In general, I don't think it should be categorized as spam or you should be worried here unless they are spam though the chance is higher. However, posting time interval alone can never be a criteria to judge a post quality in my opinion.
Anyway, this is common here. You can see a lot of people are doing this. Posting 4/5 in less than 30 minutes because they have to cover a few more maybe  Cheesy

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October 12, 2022, 05:51:47 PM
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I was going to mention this quote by theymos also, to my understanding the 360 seconds wait time only applies to newbie accounts.
Beginner rankings will be subject to some restrictions, including time interval:
  • Time interval between posts
  • The number of PMs you can send in a day
  • Time interval between reports to the moderator.
  • Etc

Sometimes I have to ignore my notification bot to fast responding to posts of other users mentioning me or quoting my posts for reasons of burst post. Although I can still respond to each of those responses at the speed possible for a few minutes from the mention, but I end up not doing it very often. The problem isn't with the forum rules, but maybe the campaign manager doesn't want to see the burst post. I know, when the post quality is well maintained then the time interval between posts is not a big problem for the manager.

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October 12, 2022, 06:25:26 PM
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Link you shared lead to your post history @pokerplayer, many other users have pointed this out, so maybe you were referring to yourself.. Which ever or whatever you mean or meant is up to you, but what I do think about posting bursting is that it is actually post bursting if the posts are spammy and carries no semantic weight, that is meaningless.

There are people who can be gifted to type really fast, and if in 5 minutes, such a person creates 2 posts or 3, that actually has good quality and passes a good message, should we still consider such as post bursting?, I don't think so.

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I was going to mention this quote by theymos also, to my understanding the 360 seconds wait time only applies to newbie accounts.
Beginner rankings will be subject to some restrictions, including time interval:
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Sometimes I have to ignore my notification bot to fast responding to posts of other users mentioning me or quoting my posts for reasons of burst post. Although I can still respond to each of those responses at the speed possible for a few minutes from the mention, but I end up not doing it very often. The problem isn't with the forum rules, but maybe the campaign manager doesn't want to see the burst post. I know, when the post quality is well maintained then the time interval between posts is not a big problem for the manager.
Hmmm I have worked in many campaigns and used to believe burst posting meant making 25 posts in two days just to meet post quota. Campaign managers, at least the ones I have had the privilege to work with, do not condone such actions and may at times remove the user from the campaign. This other form of “post bursting” as I now know it to be is a new rule to me perhaps I have been ignorant of the rules. I will have to read the forum rules again for better understanding.

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There are people who can be gifted to type really fast, and if in 5 minutes, such a person creates 2 posts or 3, that actually has good quality and passes a good message, should we still consider such as post bursting?, I don't think so.

According to OP it was 4 or 5 posts with 5 min intervals, so the way I see it it was: post (5min pause) post. If that's the case this is completely normal.
If the guy is in a campaign the manager might not like it and give him a warning, but as far as forum rules go it's OK.

Hmmm I have worked in many campaigns and used to believe burst posting meant making 25 posts in two days just to meet post quota.

People understand it in many different ways. Some will tell you that burst posting is x posts in a day, but some will pay attention to the exact time too.
The general rule is: don't go crazy and I'll leave you to interpret what crazy is.

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@Poker Player
Don't drink and post, it's dangerous. Grin

I have never given much thought to post bursting. But if the content of the posts are OK and it isn't spam except the posts coming in quick succession one after the other, I personally wouldn't mind it.

I am aware that forum frowns at post bursting,  I don't think I have a problem with how fast someone was able to produce a post. If the posts  are quality and upto 3 to 4 lines and then related to what is being discussed, I'll rather applaud the person for being a fast typist and a fast reasoner. My problem will be if what is produced is shit.
I also know that there is forum wait time which SatoPrincess quoted above. Will it be right to say that anyone who was not caught by the forum wait time did not post burst?

Poker player is yet to fix the link in OP, I guess he can't find the post burster anymore  Grin

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You got me quite confused here at first.  Wink
Ill assume this is a social experiment by Poker Player to see the reaction of all of us to his thread until further explanation is provided.

I personally doubt this is the result of drinking while posting, tbh.

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October 13, 2022, 02:43:59 AM
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Poker Player mistakenly linked to their own profile and not that of the user in question.

I'm pretty sure Poker Player just screwed up and linked to his own profile instead of the burst poster, despite what seems like a long shot explanation:

I think you need to get some sleep Wink

Seeing this is the most recent post from OP today, I believe he will correct the error when he comes online.

@Poker Player
Don't drink and post, it's dangerous. Grin

After he wakes up, he'll probably be frowning a little bit about the link actually referring to his own post.  Roll Eyes

Irony, double meaning and sarcasm doesn't seem to be your things,  as far as I can see. But partly that helps me to confirm the idea I had: that you don't consider the last 5 posts I wrote before this one, the 5 written yesterday as burst posting, probably because you don't consider them of low quality.

It's simply that I recently had a disagreement with someone I respect about what is burst posting and that person considers that I sometimes border on what would be burst posting because I write at wider intervals than that.

Normally, when I'm fresh and rested, and I've just had a coffee, I usually write 3 or 4 posts in an average interval of 10 minutes, rather than 5 like I did yesterday. If the community does not consider my yesterday's posts as burst posting, it helps me to reaffirm myself in my idea.

Edit: I see that one of yesterday's posts was deleted, the one responding to who has frozen funds on stake.com and is asked for proof of income, probably because the OP had made duplicate threads.

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It's simply that I recently had a disagreement with someone I respect about what is burst posting and that person considers that I sometimes border on what would be burst posting because I write at wider intervals than that.

Well, now you have to tell us who that person is so that we can properly administer ridicule.
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It's simply that I recently had a disagreement with someone I respect about what is burst posting and that person considers that I sometimes border on what would be burst posting because I write at wider intervals than that.

Well, now you have to tell us who that person is so that we can properly administer ridicule.


I have sent a PM to him, and I assume he will come by to comment. I think it's the right thing to do, and I don't think he's made a fool of himself for his opinion on the matter. On the contrary, I believe that the divergence of opinion and this thread have led to a healthy discussion on the matter.

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It's simply that I recently had a disagreement with someone I respect about what is burst posting and that person considers that I sometimes border on what would be burst posting because I write at wider intervals than that.

Well, now you have to tell us who that person is so that we can properly administer ridicule.


I have sent a PM to him, and I assume he will come by to comment. I think it's the right thing to do, and I don't think he's made a fool of himself for his opinion on the matter. On the contrary, I believe that the divergence of opinion and this thread have led to a healthy discussion on the matter.
I was in the middle of a television program when you pmed and wanted to finish before reading this thread.

Ok so let's start from the beginning. A few days back I was grading the winz.io campaign of which Poker Player is a participant. I noticed that Poker Player had alot of posts in a short window of time(1-15 minutes. He sent me a pm where I had quoted 5 mins or less, but in reality 1-15 mins is a decent window). I decided to send him a pm

Hey, burstposting is not allowed in the campaign but your quality is decent so i'll not make a big deal of it. Please be a little more cognizant of the timing of your posts in the future.

As you can see, I appreciate his quality and was not rude with the user. I also am trying out a couple new rules in the campaign and I think it's only fair to treat everyone the same unless we have spoken and come to a mutual agreement. In this case, no such agreement has been talked about. New rules below



Users must earn 1 merit per week to stay in the campaign.
Burstposting will not be tolerated



Now, alot of you are probably thinking it's not a big deal his quality is decent. I agree which is why I sent a pm and was nice about it and asked him to be more aware. Should have been the end of it IMO. I was not expecting the pm I got next. Basically he said he would continue as is and if it's an issue I'll just have to kick him.

I've been going back n forth on whether to kick him or keep him in. I didn't really care for the reply or at least the way it was sent, but I don't feel like he was trying to be a dick, that's just how he is. So for now I have let him stay. I sent a warning and if he continues I have to enforce the rules I set for every user.

Now let's talk about why burstposting is a big deal.  Let's say I open a sig campaign with 1 member in it. A burstposter is whom I selected and they make all their posts in 1 day. What happens to that users posts? Basically, after about 2 hours their 20-25 posts they made for the campaign will be buried on page 2,3,4 or whatever page. The advertisement in their signature space will be non existent and the company that paid me to hire that user will have wasted their money. In a perfect campaign I would love to see 3-5 posts per day spread out throughout the day. Maximum exposure. Everyone is in different timezones and this would have you seeing a company ad at all times throughout the week, but most people try to make their quota in 1-3 days for various reasons which I'm not here to discuss currently.

Users in campaigns have been banned for this in the past. Posting simply for monetary gain and spamming the forum. He doesn't exactly fit in the spamming category but 100% in the burstposting category.

I think the following reply sums it up the best

In general forum rules, the content of the post should be prioritized over the time interval of each post. But since you are enrolled on the signature campaign which you agree to follow when you submit your application. The rules of your campaign will govern and this way of posting is not acceptable for them.



Regardless of how anyone feels, you do submit to follow the rules once you apply to a campaign and are accepted. He knows this and agrees, so this isn't an issue with Poker Player, just something I agree with in general.



 I believe that the divergence of opinion and this thread have led to a healthy discussion on the matter.
Healthy discussion is never a bad thing. Never know how a person's view might change if you never start the conversation.



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Now let's talk about why burstposting is a big deal.  Let's say I open a sig campaign with 1 member in it. A burstposter is whom I selected and they make all their posts in 1 day. What happens to that users posts? Basically, after about 2 hours their 20-25 posts they made for the campaign will be buried on page 2,3,4 or whatever page. The advertisement in their signature space will be non existent and the company that paid me to hire that user will have wasted their money. In a perfect campaign I would love to see 3-5 posts per day spread out throughout the day. Maximum exposure. Everyone is in different timezones and this would have you seeing a company ad at all times throughout the week, but most people try to make their quota in 1-3 days for various reasons which I'm not here to discuss currently.

Let me share some words and a solution from my perspective. I respect and value your and other campaign managers perspective too.

If someone is burstposting and making 100 posts during a week or at least +5/10 posts a week, I wouldn't consider them exclude from the campaign. Of course, quality is the first priority. I don't want to name the user here who made 2x of required posts in a week, they do almost the same when they are not in a paid signature campaign. They are genuine users and I would be more than happy to get them into a campaign.

But the users who made exactly the same amount of posts required by the manager and burstpost + complete within a few days must be treated as you said.

And I'm out of smerit, I wanted to put a few on your post. You deserve them.


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Irony, double meaning and sarcasm doesn't seem to be your things,  as far as I can see. But partly that helps me to confirm the idea I had: that you don't consider the last 5 posts I wrote before this one, the 5 written yesterday as burst posting, probably because you don't consider them of low quality.

It's simply that I recently had a disagreement with someone I respect about what is burst posting and that person considers that I sometimes border on what would be burst posting because I write at wider intervals than that.

Normally, when I'm fresh and rested, and I've just had a coffee, I usually write 3 or 4 posts in an average interval of 10 minutes, rather than 5 like I did yesterday. If the community does not consider my yesterday's posts as burst posting, it helps me to reaffirm myself in my idea.
There are many factors to consider burst posting

  • Quality is main factor. If your posts are short and very low quality but they are written in short period. Only these are enough to judge as burst posting
  • Quality is good. Assume so, there are other things behind it. Because posters have many ways to post. You can scan forum topics, and pick ones that you are interested in, want to join discussion. Next, two options to make your posts
    • Compose each post and publish it instanly. Most of us posting in this way with which time interval between posts should be long enough. Especially if you find topics, make one post, then find other topics and make other posts.
    • Compose each post, reserve it in draft and publish all posts in a batch. That would case a more likely burst posting.

Years ago, actmyname tested how many posts he can make in 60 minutes.

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October 13, 2022, 08:28:13 AM
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Hey, burstposting is not allowed in the campaign but your quality is decent so i'll not make a big deal of it. Please be a little more cognizant of the timing of your posts in the future.
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Well if I were one of the participants in your campaign that manage by you and received a message like this, I will consider this as a warning and will never do it again. This means --I joined the signature campaign that is managed by you so it means your rule will follow. Your campaign, your rule. Not all managers have the same criteria for checking posts, so if you have been warned, you need to change your posting habit even though consider it a quality post.
However, this is not a big deal if you will follow the rules even if that is a burst post or not [at least you have been warned] --or leave the spot that you have and find another manager.









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