See this burst poster here.

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Not all managers have the same criteria for checking posts, so if you have been warned, you need to change your posting habit even though consider it a quality post.

I'd say if there's a user who can their posting habit because of the campaign they joined, actually the campaign isn't for them since they're honestly not meet the whole criteria.

or leave the spot that you have and find another manager.

This is what the solution is or just simply not try to join the campaign, but as we know there's many users are really want to get money even though they need to become a completely different person e.g. the one who regularly post on local language and not a gambler, but the campaign doesn't count any post on local language board and need to post in gambling section.

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[LoyceV]

Irony, double meaning and sarcasm doesn't seem to be your things,  as far as I can see. But partly that helps me to confirm the idea I had: that you don't consider the last 5 posts I wrote before this one, the 5 written yesterday as burst posting, probably because you don't consider them of low quality.

My assumption is indeed that the classification as "burst posting" should be related to low quality posts. It doesn't make sense to complain when someone makes many good posts in a row. Once in a while I forget to post a post, and find that tab back right after posting another post. That means I have posts just seconds apart, and there's nothing wrong with that.
However, from a campaign manager's (advertising) perspective, I get that they want their exposure to be spread evenly throughout the week. That's fine too, if they make a rule that posts have to be at least 30 minutes apart, they're free not to count/pay for those posts. But they shouldn't expect me to change what I'm doing.

It's simply that I recently had a disagreement with someone I respect about what is burst posting and that person considers that I sometimes border on what would be burst posting because I write at wider intervals than that.

Would your post be any better if you keep the tabs open, set a timer, and post the same posts 30 minutes apart?

If the community does not consider my yesterday's posts as burst posting, it helps me to reaffirm myself in my idea.

Why does it matter what the community thinks in this case? If it's not spam, it's okay for the forum. If a campaign manager disagrees, that's fine too. No amount of community pressure is going to change the ROI of an advertising campaign.

TL;DR Burst posting is fine, shitposting is not.

Irony, double meaning and sarcasm doesn't seem to be your things

So you're saying my sarcastic reply wasn't sarcastic enough?
I mean, look at this guy, burst posting 3 posts in just 13 minutes! Obviously, he's just shilling for the coin he made up

Hey, burstposting is not allowed in the campaign but your quality is decent so i'll not make a big deal of it. Please be a little more cognizant of the timing of your posts in the future.

As you can see, I appreciate his quality and was not rude with the user. I also am trying out a couple new rules in the campaign and I think it's only fair to treat everyone the same unless we have spoken and come to a mutual agreement.

That seems fair enough

Burstposting will not be tolerated

May I suggest a slight change? If you make it "Burstposting will not be paid", the campaign gets what it wants, and the user can post as it's convenient for him. It doesn't seem right to set a timer between posts, before making the exact same post as you would have made 10 minutes earlier.

I was not expecting the pm I got next. Basically he said he would continue as is and if it's an issue I'll just have to kick him.

In my opinion, that makes perfect sense. I would probably have told you the same

I don't feel like he was trying to be a dick

For the record, I wasn't trying to be a dick either It just doesn't feel right to adjust your posting for a signature campaign.

Now let's talk about why burstposting is a big deal.  Let's say I open a sig campaign with 1 member in it. A burstposter is whom I selected and they make all their posts in 1 day. What happens to that users posts? Basically, after about 2 hours their 20-25 posts they made for the campaign will be buried on page 2,3,4 or whatever page. The advertisement in their signature space will be non existent and the company that paid me to hire that user will have wasted their money.

Shouldn't this be something you check before accepting a participant? Ideally, the user would be able to keep doing what they were doing already, and that gives the right exposure.

[tranthidung]

My assumption is indeed that the classification as "burst posting" should be related to low quality posts. It doesn't make sense to complain when someone makes many good posts in a row. Once in a while I forget to post a post, and find that tab back right after posting another post. That means I have posts just seconds apart, and there's nothing wrong with that.

My stance is the same too. Quality of post is more important but yahoo wrote about it already. He accepted those posts because of decent quality but he also emphasized that he need a longer interval between posts.

If a poster does not have a style like:
- Find topics to join discussions, then start to reply on those topics, time interval between posts should be 5 to 10 minutes. I believe it should be like this. Because it is not easy to find relevant topics to comment.

However, from a campaign manager's (advertising) perspective, I get that they want their exposure to be spread evenly throughout the week.

Spreading throughout a week is a fine and reasonable requirement.

Spreading throughout a day is not a solid requirement because one campaign has so many participants who are from different time zones. I believe this requirement if exists, is more related to post quality.

[suchmoon]

It just doesn't feel right to adjust your posting for a signature campaign.

This.

Burst posting is not against the forum rules. PP's posts (regardless of timing) are not shitposts and in general are positive contributions (IMO) to the forum.

Asking someone to adjust the timing to fit the advertising needs may work for shitposters - they can easily smear their shit around in thin layers with no impact to the already abysmal quality. Asking a non-shitposter to do that is counter-productive, because they're usually replying when and where a reply is appropriate, whereas replying one hour later may no longer be relevant, result in repetitive posts, etc. I can't imagine that being any better for advertising but what do I know, maybe shitposting is good for advertising.

Yes, I'm aware that ChipMixer has the same rule and I think if I'm asked to adjust the timing of my posts then my response would be similar to PP's. However I always thought that burstposting rule was there to discourage users from trying to max out their quotas by making 50 posts late Friday, not to police their otherwise healthy posting habits for better ad exposure.

[UserU]

It just doesn't feel right to adjust your posting for a signature campaign.

This.

Burst posting is not against the forum rules. PP's posts (regardless of timing) are not shitposts and in general are positive contributions (IMO) to the forum.

Asking someone to adjust the timing to fit the advertising needs may work for shitposters - they can easily smear their shit around in thin layers with no impact to the already abysmal quality. Asking a non-shitposter to do that is counter-productive, because they're usually replying when and where a reply is appropriate, whereas replying one hour later may no longer be relevant, result in repetitive posts, etc. I can't imagine that being any better for advertising but what do I know, maybe shitposting is good for advertising.

Yes, I'm aware that ChipMixer has the same rule and I think if I'm asked to adjust the timing of my posts then my response would be similar to PP's. However I always thought that burstposting rule was there to discourage users from trying to max out their quotas by making 50 posts late Friday, not to police their otherwise healthy posting habits for better ad exposure.

Well, I feel that the anti-BP should not apply provided the user continues to post on any other day of the week.

Perhaps set the cap to 5 daily? Anything more won't count for the day. Of course there will be those that try to max out on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th but it's up to the CMs to tally to what they feel suits them.

After all, shitposting or burstposting is still exposure so assuming I'm an advertiser, I'd love to retain my campaign on this forum as long as the ROI is good. Campaign manager gets paid, more brands are interested to advertise and they get the customers they want. Win-win.

[Maestro75]

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Burstposting will not be tolerated

The different arguments and points raised on this issue here is a bit confusing as it makes burstposting seem like shitposting in a way as quality and timing are discussed. Quality saves burst posting from shit posting and if the burst posts have quality they are not judged to be shit posts anymore? That is part of what I gathered. But it will be fine for the Yahoo62278 the manager to put a time gap between posts. That will make those who post in the campaign adjust their posting habit. Some managers in the past used to put timer like 30mins gap and I like that.

[Poker Player]

Well, first of all I have been hesitating whether to move this thread to the reputation section, but recently I put it on ignore and I guess it's better here, because when I opened the thread I didn't intend to focus so much on my specific situation but that this situation would serve to discuss what is an acceptable burst posting or not.

Well if I were one of the participants in your campaign that manage by you and received a message like this, I will consider this as a warning and will never do it again.

Probably earning $70 a week from signature campaigns is way more important for you than it is for me.

As a result of this, I have proposed to yahoo62278 to finish this week in the campaign and leave my place for someone else. It has been via PM but it is no secret. I think that the difference in vision was going to end with me leaving the campaign anyway, either me leaving or him kicking me out.

I was not expecting the pm I got next. Basically he said he would continue as is and if it's an issue I'll just have to kick him.

I have to say that I wasn't feeling very well yesterday, and the response was probably a bit more rude than it would have been if I had been fine. But yes, basically I have that way of writing, if you consider that it is negative for the campaign, the best thing is that we part ways.

I noticed that Poker Player had alot of posts in a short window of time(1-15 minutes. He sent me a pm where I had quoted 5 mins or less, but in reality 1-15 mins is a decent window).

This is not accurate. I do not have posting intervals of less than 5 minutes. And even less posting intervals of 1 minute between posts, except in very exceptional cases. 8-10 minutes when I'm active and I've just had a coffee are more normal.

Now let's talk about why burstposting is a big deal.  Let's say I open a sig campaign with 1 member in it. A burstposter is whom I selected and they make all their posts in 1 day. What happens to that users posts? Basically, after about 2 hours their 20-25 posts they made for the campaign will be buried on page 2,3,4 or whatever page. The advertisement in their signature space will be non existent and the company that paid me to hire that user will have wasted their money. In a perfect campaign I would love to see 3-5 posts per day spread out throughout the day. Maximum exposure. Everyone is in different timezones and this would have you seeing a company ad at all times throughout the week, but most people try to make their quota in 1-3 days for various reasons which I'm not here to discuss currently.

I don't even know why you explain this because it doesn't apply to me. I am going to analyze the first week I was in the campaign.

I wrote the 7 days of the week, in those 7 days I wrote 29 posts. In some of them the time interval between posts was 5-10 minutes, like 7 or 8 posts. In the rest there were time intervals of 15, 20 minutes or hours. Not only in that week, but on a regular basis, I rarely write beyond page 5. The vast majority of my posts are written on the first or second page of threads, among other things because I think I know how advertising works.

   
Maybe someone could show me a statistical analysis to the contrary, but if I were an entrepreneur putting advertising on the forum, what I would be looking for above all is people who create threads and publish posts on the first pages. That's where the advertising is going to have the most impact on my potential customers.

I also don't want to make it too long or focus on a personal discussion. I think yahoo62278 is a great asset to the forum, and that if we simply can't come to an agreement, the best thing to do is to stop working together.

My assumption is indeed that the classification as "burst posting" should be related to low quality posts.

That's exactly what I think and why I created this thread.

Why does it matter what the community thinks in this case? If it's not spam, it's okay for the forum. If a campaign manager disagrees, that's fine too. No amount of community pressure is going to change the ROI of an advertising campaign.

Because I don't want to focus the discussion on my particular case, but in general on burstposting and how tolerable it is or not in the forum in general. My case ends with me leaving the campaing in one way or another.

So you're saying my sarcastic reply wasn't sarcastic enough?
I mean, look at this guy, burst posting 3 posts in just 13 minutes! Obviously, he's just shilling for the coin he made up

That's a ****ing shitposter, I've just put him on ignore.

Shouldn't this be something you check before accepting a participant? Ideally, the user would be able to keep doing what they were doing already, and that gives the right exposure.

That's exactly what I think. Sorry that I am out of merits, otherwise I would have given you a bunch.

However I always thought that burstposting rule was there to discourage users from trying to max out their quotas by making 50 posts late Friday...

I had the same idea.

[DooMAD]

Well, first of all I have been hesitating whether to move this thread to the reputation section, but recently I put it on ignore and I guess it's better here

With my backseat-mod-hat on, strictly speaking, I would have had the discussion within the topic for the campaign itself.  Although, granted, it would likely not have received the same level of attention as it's had here.  But as you're leaving the campaign anyway, it's likely a moot point now.

I can see both sides of the argument, but ultimately it boils down to a difference of opinion.  It's not something I'd expect the forum or staff to intervene on.  Not a Meta-matter, IMHO.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I read everything posted in the topic. In fact I read it from the start to finish just half an hour ago on my phone. Now logged in just to make a response. May be after this post I will make few more posts before going back to my usual routine.

PP eventually you fooled a lot of users LOL. It was a smart move to test many more things than just to find the burst posting. But let's leave everything else behind. Let's talk about burst posting.

I was actually looking at your post intervals yesterday before making my first comment but it did not seem to me burst posting even though I saw somewhere like 8 to 10 or 15 minutes (I fucking don't have time to check again LOL) interval between some posts. Since my understanding of burst posting is shit-post one after another in different threads in x amount of time to fulfill signature quota but I did not see the shit-post in your posts so, I really was not sure if you were trying to show your post history.

Honestly speaking I have the same posting habit like you. Just few weeks ago I left one campaign because I was not able to fulfill their weekly quota to post in gambling section. I volunteered to leave the campaign. Both manager and I are happy. Manager expects me to join some other campaign where he will be able to give me more flexibility once it will be available for him. And the few weeks ago one was not the only one that happened with me. I left many campaign where at some point I found it's not going in my way. I even have several long gaps in activity, sometimes it's several months long several times. I take leave from the place when I feel not right.

There are a lot of us who do the same. They do not care about when and what they are posting. They care to post when they feel there are something for them to talk. The earning from signature for them are a bonus just as a side product.

As a result of this, I have proposed to yahoo62278 to finish this week in the campaign and leave my place for someone else. It has been via PM but it is no secret. I think that the difference in vision was going to end with me leaving the campaign anyway, either me leaving or him kicking me out.

Both you and yahoo62278 are seeing this from two different perspective. As a manager yahoo62278's main concern is to get maximum ROI of the campaigns he is managing. I don't think you both should have hurt feeling towards each others. I can imagine that the PM he left was without having much thought in it.

But it would be nice if yahoo62278 reconsider his view in burst posting. One user above (I am too lazy to find the post and name to bring exact words) said something like:
Don't count the post that you think is burst posting in your terms but again don't consider all posts those have small interval of time even less than five minutes as long as it's on topic and have quality contribution.

After making this post, I may find a topic where I feel like five words are enough to response the conversation. If I do that and if the interval between this post and the next post is 3 minutes then would you say I should unnecessarily make the post longer to make it 300 words and wait half an hour to post it? I am positive that you will not demand it. The best you will do it to ignore the next post from the post counting for the week. But you can not accuse me for making shit post just because it was 5 words long and 3 minutes after the last post.

[yahoo62278]

 I don't think you both should have hurt feeling towards each others.

I don't think either of us have any ill feelings towards each other. This thread has been a healthy discussion with quite a few respectable members contributing to the conversation. I wouldn't look for a war to start just because someone had a different opinion then mine. It's called life, we all think differently.

[Poker Player]

I don't think either of us have any ill feelings towards each other. This thread has been a healthy discussion with quite a few respectable members contributing to the conversation. I wouldn't look for a war to start just because someone had a different opinion then mine. It's called life, we all think differently.

No, we don't. From now on we can continue discussions about burstposting as fellow forum members instead of as a kind of employee and employer.

I suppose that my decision to leave the campaign is influenced by my financial situation. If I am going to be participating in the forum, I would rather get paid for doing so than not getting paid, but the income I receive from signature campaings is a small amount compared to my total income, so leaving the campaign is not a big deal.

Although my intention with the thread was to talk about burstposting in general, after the responses and a little healthy debate, I am going to lock it, as the thread is very focused on my case. If anyone wants to, they can open another thread about burstposting and maybe refer to this one. Or if anyone thinks it is necessary, you can PM me so that I unlock it.

[Poker Player]

I have decided to unlock this thread because I happened to find another burstposter here: Profile.

LOL. 

Yesterday he wrote 22 posts.

Between 08:38:08 AM and 12:16:14 PM he wrote 12 of them, so I guess if he worked for yahoo62278, he would have problems. The rest that are from the thread update "Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings" I don't take them into account. But he wrote quite a few with a time separation between posts quite similar to mine.

I am commenting this because I was amused when I realized it. It is not my intention to enter into any angry controversy but to discuss what is considered burstposting in a negative sense in the forum. It is clear that each manager is free to set their rules and users to accept them or not.

[LoyceV]

Yesterday he wrote 22 posts.

25! Or 26?

The rest that are from the thread update "Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings" I don't take them into account.

Lol. I'm pretty sure DS is smart enough not to count those weekly updates.

I am commenting this because I was amused when I realized it.

It took you long enough Saturday is my "update day" because theymos' Trust data dump happens on Saturday morning (and the Merit data dump a day earlier).

It is not my intention to enter into any angry controversy

Who's angry?

I actually thought about "burst posting" after I made this post:

When I closed that tab, I noticed I hadn't posted my other post yet:

So there's 36 seconds in between. I don't type 19 characters per second, but it was enough time to proofread the post again.

[acroman08]

Just report him and he will be dealt with if mods find that necessary.

He does not deserve a thread in meta dedicated for him.

what's he gonna do? report himself? check the link he shared, Poker Player is talking about himself. he even updated by posting another guy's profile who is notorious for burst posting(check the post above to know who he is). anyway, burst posting is not really against forum rules, so even if you saw a user who is burst posting and reported the user, there is no guarantee that the user's posts will be deleted.

[NotATether]

Just report him and he will be dealt with if mods find that necessary.

He does not deserve a thread in meta dedicated for him.

Actually if you just open this particular board you can see that he already has like 5 topics. 

[LoyceV]

I have decided to unlock this thread because I happened to find another burstposter here: Profile.

And the next day, that user made no posts at all. Coincidence? Up to you to decide!

[Poker Player]

Actually if you just open this particular board you can see that he already has like 5 topics.  

I've reported that post you are quoting as 0 value post. Either he has not read anything or he has not understood anything, and it seems to me that it is the former.

And the next day, that user made no posts at all. Coincidence? Up to you to decide!

The point is not so much to decide anything as it confirms my suspicions about him being a burstposter. He writes 25 posts in one day and the next day none. I'm even thinking of putting him on my ignore list.

On a more serious note, I think a few of us in the thread have agreed that burstposting in a negative sense is basically linked to low quality posts.

People who spread their posts over at least 5 or 6 days a week, and whose posts have a certain quality, even if 30% of their posts have an average separation of 10 minutes between them cannot be considered burstposters in a negative sense.

Another thing is the particular rules of each campaign. For example, mine counts a maximum of 5 posts per day. It is a way to make sure that the minimum to get paid is going to be written at least in 4 days. Another thing is that I write more posts in this and other campaigns that I know I will not get paid.

It is not my intention to enter into any angry controversy

Who's angry?

I wasn't thinking of you.