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[HunnyFinance]

Having to read all these comments make me felt upset about this indirect linkage for being accused a scam (or possible scam). But I do understand how everyone in this forum wants to make this forum as safe as possible.

Thank you for deciding to explain your version, and without insults and counter attacks.

My account is not credible and strong enough to start post with images and do campaigns.

This problem is easily solved by purchasing a special copper member rank, where you have additional opportunities and some restrictions are removed. Many people buy this rank to run a business and do not need to call on some friends for help.

It was a really a turn off for me as it potentially tarnished my branding and I felt very disappointed in him as I trusted him so much...

That story did not teach you anything, since you again wished to contact coldice, and thereby cast a shadow of doubt on your account and your business to boot.

The forum does not like it when Merit is used in such strange schemes (to create an impression, to help, to promote a business). Merit is not a system for boosting a business, it is an assessment of quality posts. Objectively, you don't deserve these 34 merits, and stories about friends and acquaintances have already been heard here thousands of times (but I don't want to say that they are all false). If you want to somehow declare yourself on the forum, then it's better to start contacting the community right away, without hidden schemes between friends and acquaintances. I am more than sure that if you, as a beginner, created a topic on the forum that you want to create your own casino theme and asked for advice, then generous users would give you merit even without the help of coldice and at the same time your reputation would be crystal clear clean.

Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images. I did what everyone did by being active and posting useful comments on other people's thread. All you mentioned are good ideas and I am learning new things everyday. Soon I hope I will know a lot more on how to function normally on bitcointalk forum.

I knew coldice for a long time since way back. Coldice was one of my first few "friends" on bitcointalk and has been good help in advising me on how to do things with crypto. I know that he has been helping people to post threads and doing some other trading businesses in crypto.  

Personally I don't care with your stories since anyone can create a wonderful story and denying the truth, also I don't believe with your shitcoin project. But a weird merit overflow can't be considered as shady or scam, I don't think he can't pay copper membership fee since right now it's cheap. As long as there's no accusations about your casino, I will say your casino currently still doesn't have any bad reputation. It's up to anyone decision if they want to try new casino or not, since brand new casino has higher risk than the old casino.

Thank you for your fair reply. HunnyPlay has been around for more than 1 year and I hope we will be around much longer. Currently we are healthy in cashflow and is able to give out megawins from slots without any problems.
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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

Question is how many newbie accounts or even accounts in altcoin sections know how merit and rank works. His story seems to be a natural story. I still do not understand how 4chan or even Reddit works. If I do anything which is not a good practice in their community but someone or bunch of users start calling me abuser, scammer, shady; do you think I will not lose my mind and even eventually I will tell them fuck off MFs; I am not going to spend a single time with you at all.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This is one of the reason I do not like those so called scam busters who are always looking for others mistakes and accusing account left and right. They are doing no favour for the community but building their own accounts to earn from the signature campaigns and may be when they get a good opportunity to scam a lender or anyone else, they will just do it before abandoned the account.

[HunnyFinance]

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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

Now I understand its not easy for newbie to get 1 merit without help. And I definitely wont be getting any without knowing and giving good advices, or randomly talking on threads without value. Should I get copper rank to push Hunnyplay casino now since I could post images?

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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

Question is how many newbie accounts or even accounts in altcoin sections know how merit and rank works. His story seems to be a natural story. I still do not understand how 4chan or even Reddit works. If I do anything which is not a good practice in their community but someone or bunch of users start calling me abuser, scammer, shady; do you think I will not lose my mind and even eventually I will tell them fuck off MFs; I am not going to spend a single time with you at all.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This is one of the reason I do not like those so called scam busters who are always looking for others mistakes and accusing account left and right. They are doing no favour for the community but building their own accounts to earn from the signature campaigns and may be when they get a good opportunity to scam a lender or anyone else, they will just do it before abandoned the account.

Thank you for being understanding towards my end of the story. I really do find it hard to introduce Hunny in this negative atmosphere. But I do get some good positive users from this thread and my HunnyPlay official ANN thread. All I want is to represent HunnyPlay and let the community know that this project is a great platform with a solid team behind it. Now that we have a ANN, we are listening to promoters and seeing what campaigns can be done to make us visible in bitcointalk. The team and I have been working hard to make it happen, that is why my username has been HunnyFinance since the way from the start when I joined bitcointalk.


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[Fivestar4everMVP]

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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This line hit me really hard, and this carries a well deeper meaning than the words used, any user who really cares about the growth of this forum will definitely take this very serious.
I understand the need to have a scam free community, and I really commend the entire community for all the effort put into seeing that this is a reality, from my own personal assessments, I can say that the scam rate in this forum is less than 1 percent, which is a great score.
But then, like they say, too much of every thing is bad, no doubt in the process of trying to keep the community clean, we have lost alot of great and potential members of this forum, and one thing we must understand is that one member lost can equal to five hundred members or more lost, this is because members bring their businesses to this forum, and every business announcement on this forum is an avenue through which more members would join, and more members mean more traffic, and the forum needs traffic to continue to stay relevant in this space, the businesses on this forum need the traffic on this forum to keep paying those wearing their signature ads..
Indeed I support what BitcoinGirl.Club said, we must begin to apply caution to our fight against scam here, we must find a way to do it effectively without hurting the legitimate users who are just joining the forum.

[HunnyFinance]

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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This line hit me really hard, and this carries a well deeper meaning than the words used, any user who really cares about the growth of this forum will definitely take this very serious.
I understand the need to have a scam free community, and I really commend the entire community for all the effort put into seeing that this is a reality, from my own personal assessments, I can say that the scam rate in this forum is less than 1 percent, which is a great score.
But then, like they say, too much of every thing is bad, no doubt in the process of trying to keep the community clean, we have lost alot of great and potential members of this forum, and one thing we must understand is that one member lost can equal to five hundred members or more lost, this is because members bring their businesses to this forum, and every business announcement on this forum is an avenue through which more members would join, and more members mean more traffic, and the forum needs traffic to continue to stay relevant in this space, the businesses on this forum need the traffic on this forum to keep paying those wearing their signature ads..
Indeed I support what BitcoinGirl.Club said, we must begin to apply caution to our fight against scam here, we must find a way to do it effectively without hurting the legitimate users who are just joining the forum.

You are right @Fivestar4everMVP and @BitcoinGirl.Club. I do feel a bit disappointed and upset about the way my new HunnyPlay thread is being welcomed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422950.0;all. I would say 80% of the posts I get there is negative and in the name of "fighting scam" and proving they are right by discrediting me. No one is asking the right questions about casino, promotions or events, a lot of questions are based on repeats and re-repeats of negative comments.

Just 1 weekend without reply and it made my thread moved away from gambling section, and a lot of haters building up.

Maybe its hard to fit into this forum culture. It's either I am having major self doubt on my account credentials, or many people here are just damn mean and cynical. I do want to advertise signature and other marketing n signature campaigns like every other casinos here, but if I will be getting this vibe in the long run, I really need to have extremely strong writing skill and stronger heart.

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Thank you for your advise on purchasing copper member rank. In the end I also did not use the merit as I got promoted to be jr member, I could post thread and able to post images.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

I just got my copper ranking. Hope it helps

[FatFork]

Just 1 weekend without reply and it made my thread moved away from gambling section, and a lot of haters building up.

Your thread was moved from the Gambling section because it didn't belong there in the first place. Please stop playing the role of someone who doesn't know what's going on and start following the rules.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Just 1 weekend without reply and it made my thread moved away from gambling section, and a lot of haters building up.

Your thread was moved from the Gambling section because it didn't belong there in the first place. Please stop playing the role of someone who doesn't know what's going on and start following the rules.

I don't think we blame a newbie for it. Perhaps we do not have enough information at one place for them to understand. We can not expect someone to come and know everything. It takes time and they make mistakes, we all did. I was once banned even knowing the rules it was just not clear to me. Instead of being rude we can just tell them that it was moved by the forum moderator because gambling section is only for bitcoin gambling sites.

[Doan9269]

For the fact that everyone has control over his earned Merits and whom to send the smerit doesn't mean that giving an abuse of it is allowed here, without the mention of the rule that forbids such one should also know that it's isn't appropriate to do for nasty and shady stuffs with merit which could lead to the abuse of the system, i credit the introduction of the merit system because that's the best way to deal with abusers, trollers, spammers and their likes from the forum ranking up, merit also is a display to how far you have gone contributing meaningfully.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I just made my findings and came up with the conclusion that, for the fact that "Hunnyfinance" was inactive for 11 months, Just woke up, dropped his/her first post not up to 150 words, and got 34 merits in less than a minute, while the sender going dormant 3 minutes after till this very moment, is enough reason for suspicion and a clear indication that both accounts belong to one individual.

I see no reason why such a post should be given 34 merits, if not alt nor traded because it's not worth

[HunnyFinance]

For the fact that everyone has control over his earned Merits and whom to send the smerit doesn't mean that giving an abuse of it is allowed here, without the mention of the rule that forbids such one should also know that it's isn't appropriate to do for nasty and shady stuffs with merit which could lead to the abuse of the system, i credit the introduction of the merit system because that's the best way to deal with abusers, trollers, spammers and their likes from the forum ranking up, merit also is a display to how far you have gone contributing meaningfully.

I just made my findings and came up with the conclusion that, for the fact that "Hunnyfinance" was inactive for 11 months, Just woke up, dropped his/her first post not up to 150 words, and got 34 merits in less than a minute, while the sender going dormant 3 minutes after till this very moment, is enough reason for suspicion and a clear indication that both accounts belong to one individual.

I see no reason why such a post should be given 34 merits, if not alt nor traded because it's not worth

I have explained my side of the story here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416930.msg61344886#msg61344886

I do understand this merit system is looked upon seriously in bitcointalk forum, and followed strictly by everyone, as I do now. Because of these merits, I have already been heavily reprimanded. These incidents are cast in stone and @HunnyFinance gotten lots of penalty for this.

That doesn't meant I am a scammer or I am running a shady project.

To me its about constant learning and progression. Having to face so much adversity on this issue in this thread again yet again, I am slowly learning the ropes of doing things right. Whatever has been done can't be changed, but I am doing what I can trying to fit in. Many have given advice and I am very grateful for it. Here's what we heeded and done from some advices given by the community:

1) We got a copper ranking nevertheless.

2) We are paying above market rate for signature campaigns, which I believe not only benefit my business, but also boost the economy of the community in bitcointalk. More will come. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5424288

3) Through my hunnyplay thread, I seeked advice on how to run a casino properly in bitcointalk. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422950.0

4) I have also started a thread to try find people in the community to be ambassadors and affiliate in their countries.

If possible, instead of having to drill down on this issue again and again with the same pointers, let me know what other constructive advise can be done to explain myself better, to improve my account, to improve our casino business, or even benefit the community of bitcointalk.

[JollyGood]

Well, at least he bothers to come out to explain his side of the story, As everyone is entitled to their opinions. so I guess its about whether you trust and experienced the project to determine if its legit.  Personally I have been using HunnyPlay.com for the last few months and have been satisfied with the experience thus far. Again this is my personal experience/ opinion. Best is to give it a try to for yourself.

 

The newbie account, which registered at 05:02:33 AM and after 6 minutes immediately found the right topic and, by an INCREDIBLE coincidence, turned out to be a happy client of the HunnyPlay.com service. OMG, it's such a cheap shilling, why even do that? Obviously this is a "paid" comment in support of HunnyFinance, and I would not be surprised that he (HunnyFinance) wrote it himself, creating an alt account to create fake support.

Surely this is much more than coincidence right?  

I just made my findings and came up with the conclusion that, for the fact that "Hunnyfinance" was inactive for 11 months, Just woke up, dropped his/her first post not up to 150 words, and got 34 merits in less than a minute, while the sender going dormant 3 minutes after till this very moment, is enough reason for suspicion and a clear indication that both accounts belong to one individual.

I see no reason why such a post should be given 34 merits, if not alt nor traded because it's not worth

Well there is a visual staring right at the screen showing possibilities of an alt-account but it is not conclusive but yes you are right about the merits and we have read what HunnyFinance has had to say about it too.

I have explained my side of the story here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416930.msg61344886#msg61344886

I do understand this merit system is looked upon seriously in bitcointalk forum, and followed strictly by everyone, as I do now. Because of these merits, I have already been heavily reprimanded. These incidents are cast in stone and @HunnyFinance gotten lots of penalty for this.

That doesn't meant I am a scammer or I am running a shady project.

To me its about constant learning and progression. Having to face so much adversity on this issue in this thread again yet again, I am slowly learning the ropes of doing things right. Whatever has been done can't be changed, but I am doing what I can trying to fit in. Many have given advice and I am very grateful for it. Here's what we heeded and done from some advices given by the community:

1) We got a copper ranking nevertheless.

2) We are paying above market rate for signature campaigns, which I believe not only benefit my business, but also boost the economy of the community in bitcointalk. More will come. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5424288

3) Through my hunnyplay thread, I seeked advice on how to run a casino properly in bitcointalk. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422950.0

4) I have also started a thread to try find people in the community to be ambassadors and affiliate in their countries.

If possible, instead of having to drill down on this issue again and again with the same pointers, let me know what other constructive advise can be done to explain myself better, to improve my account, to improve our casino business, or even benefit the community of bitcointalk.

Right now the only thing I can conclude is that you genuinely probably did not understand how the merit system worked in that you wanted merits to rank up and to provide a sense security for those associating your account with the website business you operate but you probably were unaware of this being looked upon in a negative way within the forum.

You gave your side of the story, whether it is 100% factual or not I see no reason why it should be held against you by members as long as they see nothing to be alarmed at (even if it is highly suspicious that coldice is an alt-account) as long as there is no more merit being given between the two accounts.

Having said that, I hope over time you manage to move away from the alt-account and merit issue and have your own stand alone position within the community. I wish you success in your business and hope you contribute to the forum with constructive posts as and when you are able to.

[shasan]

There is nothing wrong with sending these merits. Actually, coldice trying to find out the best quality/helpful post on the forum. And s/he tried to see that from the beginning of the merit system. But before creating the post by HunnyFinance, coldice could not find out any post where coldice can send the merit. But when coldice saw the post of HunnyFinance become too much surprised and awarded the merits.

[reagansimms]

Just for a post like the one in the picture is rewarded 34 Merit.! It's really unbelievable.

Based on the scheme that the OP has detailed at the beginning of the topic, I assume accounts coldice has changed hands to the person who manages HunnyFinance.

coldice suddenly woke up from a long sleep after last posting on September 27, 2021, then he went back to sleep after sending merit to HunnyFinance.
The above evidence is strong enough to feedback HunnyFinance for misusing Merit. After seeing this topic, HunnyFinance has been added to my ignore list.

[FatFork]

There is nothing wrong with sending these merits. Actually, coldice trying to find out the best quality/helpful post on the forum. And s/he tried to see that from the beginning of the merit system.

Seriously? You might have confused coldice with some other member.

Based on his account history, these are the only posts he has awarded merits to (apart from HunnyFinance's):

• 10 merits to:
  

  Yes, you can take a look at our whitepaper for more details. Do let us know your email address in the website to keep updated of our token sale progress.
  

• 10 merits to:
  

  Great I am from Malaysia, how do I start?
  

• 1 merit to:
  

  Go to website www.4kingclub.com to register first. Add me on telegram: ag4king
  

Which of these posts do you consider to be particularly high-quality or helpful for the community?

But before creating the post by HunnyFinance, coldice could not find out any post where coldice can send the merit. But when coldice saw the post of HunnyFinance become too much surprised and awarded the merits.

I don't quite understand your point here; do you mind explaining?

[dbc23]

Question is how many newbie accounts or even accounts in altcoin sections know how merit and rank works. His story seems to be a natural story. I still do not understand how 4chan or even Reddit works. If I do anything which is not a good practice in their community but someone or bunch of users start calling me abuser, scammer, shady; do you think I will not lose my mind and even eventually I will tell them fuck off MFs; I am not going to spend a single time with you at all.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This is one of the reason I do not like those so called scam busters who are always looking for others mistakes and accusing account left and right. They are doing no favour for the community but building their own accounts to earn from the signature campaigns and may be when they get a good opportunity to scam a lender or anyone else, they will just do it before abandoned the account.

The best reply I have read lately. Scam busters are so negligent about helping newbies grow all the think about is how the can farm their accounts through busting up accounts. No one learnt about the forum in one day. Some were lucky to have friends who stood as guidance till they found their feet, so many are solo learners. The pass through the stress of reading and understanding all the jargons on the forum all by theirselves. The reason some newbies switch to scam when the heat and frustrations starts knocking and sometimes the target accounts with high profiles.

If coldice had lavished 34 merits on HunnyFinance and there is no evidence to link the two accounts together then HunnyFinance should be judged based on his story. Some times its not good to jump into tagging users scam even when they haven't done anything in that regards. Everyone deserves a head start.

[shasan]

I can even do an experiment. I will create an alt account at 12:00 AM, at 12:30 AM I will create a post, and at 12:31 AM I will transfer 50 merits from my main account to this post. Likewise, I am sure that you will come and say that these 2 accounts are not connected, although experienced users will already understand without further ado that I sent the measurements to myself, no matter how I justify myself.

At this point you are right. We obviously tell you about this if anyone does this type of activity. Yet someone may consider especially for you and a few others who are active in the forum and regularly give merit to a good post. But the case mentioned in the op is totally different. The user usually does not give merit to any account and also came back a lot of times later on the forum.

[lovesmayfamilis]

But before creating the post by HunnyFinance, coldice could not find out any post where coldice can send the merit. But when coldice saw the post of HunnyFinance become too much surprised and awarded the merits.

I don't quite understand your point here; do you mind explaining?

I didn't understand his opinion either; it looks like he just posted his post to fulfill his quota by bringing up the topic a week later. It seems that the person did not read all the posts but quickly inserted his opinion. I would advise him to read the topic. So it turns out later that everything has already been discussed and clarified and, in principle, does not require clarification. Looking at the thread that Shasan opened recently, he might be suspicious, but today it didn't seem strange to him to send a lot of merit in one post.
Funny.

[JollyGood]

But the case mentioned in the op is totally different. The user usually does not give merit to any account and also came back a lot of times later on the forum.

User coldice woke up exactly on the day when he needed to transfer 34 merits to his (possibly) alt account. After that, he didn't come back. There would be fewer questions if the coldice account behaved like a normal user, being active before or after the 34 merits spill. Now, his behavior can easily be regarded as a bot account, which was connected precisely in order to transfer 34 merits to another account. His actions are clearly not like he just happened to find HunnyFinance's post and gave it merit because he thought it was a good post. No, he woke up only in order to transfer HunnyFinance measures according to a previously agreed plan, and then again went offline for a long time.

I have to say it does not look good when you put it that way. Waking up to merit is not a good sign.

So here's my side of the story and I sincerely hope that my explanation to end this thread peacefully.

I knew coldice for a long time since way back. Coldice was one of my first few "friends" on bitcointalk and has been good help in advising me on how to do things with crypto. I know that he has been helping people to post threads and doing some other trading businesses in crypto. 
 
Hunny project started as a DeFi project around mid 2021. I needed to venture into this forum so I asked him to help. My account is not credible and strong enough to start post with images and do campaigns.

And he did helped to post a few of our project ANN and Promotions threads. That is why you saw some of the not so popular postings by him as mentioned in the forum

But I was astounded when his account was also promoting scam and got a few RED FLAG ALERTS. So when I read my threads, the red flag suggesting that its a scam on top of his account was so prominent that I told him to remove all my posts he had posted for me.

It was a really a turn off for me as it potentially tarnished my branding and I felt very disappointed in him as I trusted him so much...

A few months ago my team decided to venture into bitcointalk and I started talking to coldice again to ask for advise again. Only this time, I would like to post the threads myself. I was still very upset with him, and he was very guilty with all the projects that he had ruined(and ruined his own account apparently). So he wanted to give me a headstart boost on my bitcointalk account(That's where you saw this +34 merits). I have no idea what merits can help but its seems hard enough to get.

What matters most is HunnyPlay is a legit running business that already been running for more than 1 year, and isn't a shady startup project like how coldice "accidently" helped others to push.

We are here all here to run businesses and not to push scam. I know bitcointalk is an important place for me to meet fellow gamblers and project owners. I hope you guys won't deprive me from having the opportunity to come back to this forum again and meet people and share my projects.

If the accounts are operated by the same person then there is an issue because the merits went from one account to an alt-account. If HunnyFinance paid to be merited then that is a different matter but another serious one. However if there is no connection except coldice simply gave away merits to a post that seemed to not deserve it, there is no blame on part of HunnyFinance.

The part that causes concern is HunnyFinance stating they knew coldice.  Maybe a reply from HunnyFinance with screenshots of their PM conversations with coldice would help clarifying the situation.

[reagansimms]

Based on his account history, these are the only posts he has awarded merits to (apart from HunnyFinance's):

• 10 merits to:
  

  Yes, you can take a look at our whitepaper for more details. Do let us know your email address in the website to keep updated of our token sale progress.
  

• 10 merits to:
  

  Great I am from Malaysia, how do I start?
  

• 1 merit to:
  

  Go to website www.4kingclub.com to register first. Add me on telegram: ag4king
  

Coldice Merit activity is very suspicious. All of the four profiles that Merit has thrown are still newbie, two accounts are sent 10 Merit on PZJ and theGillgold as a limit to reach Member Rank.

Coldice suspicion of selling Merit is very strong. Indeed, there is nothing wrong with anyone sending Merit to anyone. Coldice's method indicates that she has sold Merit, especially in the three posts above which are very undeserving of merit.