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[FatFork]

Welsh, thank you for your input. So in your opinion, a neutral tag with a short explanation and a reference to this thread would be appropriate in situations like this?

[Welsh]

Welsh, thank you for your input. So in your opinion, a neutral tag with a short explanation and a reference to this thread would be appropriate in situations like this?

Neutral tag, with a neutral tone being clear that it's not exactly set in stone, and instead highlighting suspicions, sure. I personally won't be leaving a feedback score, and would just keep this in mind in the future.

The thing with neutral tags is a lot of the times the actual content within that neutral tag (i.e the text) is rather negative, and potentially could sway the user one way another without actually investigating themselves. So, neutral tags should probably stay as neutral as possible in tone when it comes to explaining why you've left it.

I'm certainly not the standard setter when it comes to feedback though. I relatively inactive in that scene.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Welsh, thank you for your input. So in your opinion, a neutral tag with a short explanation and a reference to this thread would be appropriate in situations like this?

Don't take it negatively.




Do you see how desperate you are to write on other peoples trust page?
That's where the practice is wrong. I am not saying the feedback you left for HunnyFinance is wrong but the urge you feel inside to leave feedback is totally wrong in my view.

I am going to distrust you exactly for the reason of your strong urge of leaving feedback. There are no other reason. You are possibly a good fella in the community.

[FatFork]

I am going to distrust you exactly for the reason of your strong urge of leaving feedback. There are no other reason. You are possibly a good fella in the community.

I don't think this is the best way to use your custom Trust list. "You should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback." ^[reference] , but I guess that's your prerogative and you can do whatever you want with your trust list as far as I'm concerned. Although I'm not entirely sure what I did to step on your toes, I don't really care.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Although I'm not entirely sure what I did to step on your toes, I don't really care.

I assure you, you did not step on my toes. Don't get bad feeling from it. I made it clear that when you have urge to leave feedback then it's not good.

I don't think this is the best way to use your custom Trust list. "You should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback." ^[reference]

It's a great topic to read. While I agree with many, I also don't agree with some. It's a topic to give a general idea, not a granted guide.

[Igebotz]

Welsh, thank you for your input. So in your opinion, a neutral tag with a short explanation and a reference to this thread would be appropriate in situations like this?

Don't take it negatively.




Do you see how desperate you are to write on other peoples trust page?
That's where the practice is wrong. I am not saying the feedback you left for HunnyFinance is wrong but the urge you feel inside to leave feedback is totally wrong in my view.

I am going to distrust you exactly for the reason of your strong urge of leaving feedback. There are no other reason. You are possibly a good fella in the community.

On my FatFork! You did that?

Man did nothing wrong; he was simply recycling his unused merits to help the merits system function properly. It appears to me that a friend decided to assist a friend because his account has already been ruined, and that is not abuse. The neutral tag has no effect on one's account, but it becomes an issue when the text behind it is negative. (Your text)

Nobody questions it when DT members drop 50 max merits on two liner posts every day, but when a natural member does the same thing, everyone looks up..

[FatFork]

On my FatFork! You did that?

Yes, I'm afraid I did. I hope it won't break the forum somehow.  

Man did nothing wrong; he was simply recycling his unused merits to help the merits system function properly. It appears to me that a friend decided to assist a friend because his account has already been ruined, and that is not abuse. The neutral tag has no effect on one's account, but it becomes an issue when the text behind it is negative. (Your text)

Nobody questions it when DT members drop 50 max merits on two liner posts every day, but when a natural member does the same thing, everyone looks up..

Why does everyone get their panties in a twist about a simple neutral tag on a newbie account? I can change the wording if you have a better suggestion, but I don't think the text is negative. Simply stating the facts.
Besides, I didn't leave the tag just because of the merit drop, but mostly because of this:

The fact that coldice wakes up, Hunnyfinance then suddenly makes 2 posts after almost a year of silence and immediately receives 34 merits in one of the posts in a short time span means both accounts are under one person's control.

Coldice has negative rep involving at least 3 scams and I think they are trying to farm another account

EDIT: I forgot to mention, when I was doing my research, I also came across this:


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All these topics were started by coldice, but later deleted. That was additional proof that he is connected to Hunnyfinance and that it is possible that this is another of his scams. Most likely a slow rug pull.
So, you can see that I do my research even when it comes to the neutral tags.  

[Igebotz]

On my FatFork! You did that?

Yes, I'm afraid I did. I hope it won't break the forum somehow.  

I hope thyemos don't see it. Bro  

Man did nothing wrong; he was simply recycling his unused merits to help the merits system function properly. It appears to me that a friend decided to assist a friend because his account has already been ruined, and that is not abuse. The neutral tag has no effect on one's account, but it becomes an issue when the text behind it is negative. (Your text)

Nobody questions it when DT members drop 50 max merits on two liner posts every day, but when a natural member does the same thing, everyone looks up..

Why does everyone get their panties in a twist about a simple neutral tag on a newbie account? I can change the wording if you have a better suggestion, but I don't think the text is negative. Simply stating the facts.
Besides, I didn't leave the tag just because of the merit drop, but mostly because of this:

Because we don't want all the newbies to become depressed and leave the forum, we were once newbies and made mistakes that many old DT overlook. I remember a case with _Blackstar when he was a newbie, he got a neutral for having a username similar to Darkstar, he got bullied, and I was one of those DT who stood by him and motivated him not to give up because of the neutral tag, it may seem insignificant to us but to the newbies
 
I'm not comfortable with the wordings but I don't care.

I stopped messing around in other DT's accusations threads since I became DT1. If the OP who is a DT doesn't have the balls to tag, I don't give a fck. Nowadays, I only tag what I discover on my own.

So, you can see that I do my research even when it comes to neutral tags.  

You let the cat out of the bag so late, I've already shot you in the head.

[saxydev]

I still don't see the case.

I posted something similar here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034141.msg61106493#msg61106493


Giving 5 merits to someone, instantly someone opens a topic, look alt. And if it's an alt how it disturbes you? It has nothing to do with feedbacks or vouches ratings ...It takes your place in a signature campaign? Does it cheat a campaign? The campaign wants visibility, why would it matter if it is same user?

A new user in order to increase his rank here, he needs to either follow same shilling as old members, such as finding bounty scammers etc, or shill the same way they do in the threads of trust.

Look at the bitcoin discussion thread, how many posts in a topic made by new members are merited. It's a disgrace. Now some users won't merit just because they are afraid to ruin their accounts, someone will just show up and blame he is his alt. There are no new members in the last years because of this, look at the statistics and the activity on the forum.

It is the 1milionth topic on the merit issue and you are still debating it as it is a new system....that's spam.

edit: in the thread i posted the link above my post got 0 merit and the post of etfbitcoin with 2 links in it and 40 letters got 1 merit. I find he's reply on topic and super chill, but why mine wasn't? what's the point of the system if the merit is not sent at all?

[KingsDen]

I don't think this is the best way to use your custom Trust list. "You should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback." ^[reference] , but I guess that's your prerogative and you can do whatever you want with your trust list as far as I'm concerned. Although I'm not entirely sure what I did to step on your toes, I don't really care.

FatFork, I support your neutral tag, thanks for bringing this to your attention.  In this case, this is a clear abuse of the merit system, and in 2018, red tags were left for such cases immediately, so the neutral tag, written without any insults, it really is the place to be. But arguing with those who have double standards in the use of trust system, in my opinion, is pointless.

I am surprised how this issue lingered. Though the issue is somewhat controversial and any decision taken by anyone here would be considered as fair if it does not leave a neg tag.
The above case has some signs of;
1. Merit abuse
2. Alt connection
3. And a poorly scripted drama by dumb actors.

If the victim was to help a friend, would it not be better not to send the merits at once considering the quality of the post upon which the merits were bestowed.

If someone could leave a neutral tag to a user which he suspects and eventually changed email. What's the big deal leaving a neutral tag on a suspected merit abuse post.

[Smartvirus]

The take to merits and undefined nature of what a quality post looks like (which in fact is a double edge sword; as it makes some behaviours to meriting unquestionable) are some of the reasons that promotes merit abuses as I don't see how a not properly composed text could come by such merit in a matter of  wake ups and minutes.

Of course it does raise an eye brow and having a few users question as to why isn't exactly a bad idea! Though, it's not evident enough to prove anything nor should I say could warrant a tag but, a thread already serves some use to the case and course. For the few who would be looking, this thread is some good enough reference.

[yahoo62278]

Noone agrees 100% about anything on this forum I don't think. You're always going to have those whom agree with a decision made, Those who disagree, and those who don't care or stay neutral in a situation. You'll never make anyone happy.

In this case I would stay neutral unless it is proven the 2 accounts involved are alts( it looks obvious but not 100%). Without absolute proof I wouldn't want to take the chance on damaging someones reputation forever as we all know it's hard to get back to positive once accused. I do find it odd that neither account involved have made a post here, so the 1st place I would start would be by sending them both a pm to this thread and getting their response. Then go from there.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

EDIT: I forgot to mention, when I was doing my research, I also came across this:

Since you got this and it looks there could be a connection like friend sent to friend or service sent to employee or merit were bought or sending them to alts. Anything is possible. Whatever it is, since it's just merit, I will not take it seriously. It used to be a serious case long ago.

In the mean time I think it's okay to remove you from the distrust. So I did.

You let the cat out of the bag so late, I've already shot you in the head.

FatFork, have you done the research before I distrusted your or after? It's a few days ago's incident and I can not remember it correctly.

[KingsDen]

Noone agrees 100% about anything on this forum I don't think. You're always going to have those whom agree with a decision made, Those who disagree, and those who don't care or stay neutral in a situation. You'll never make anyone happy.

In this case I would stay neutral unless it is proven the 2 accounts involved are alts( it looks obvious but not 100%). .

Very apt. I often fall in the category of those who doesn't care when the case doesn't affect the community in anyway. Why I became interested in the case is because the merit sender already has negative tags and a flag raised on the profile by lovesmayfamilis and supported by other reputable members of the forum. It therefore means that if the newbie account happens to be his alt, there is likelihood that he'll keep scamming with the new account.
Assuming both accounts have no red tag, I would have scroll passed with the speed of light.
For the fact that one of the people involved here is a scammer, I don't think that FatFork is wrong by leaving a neural tag.
The neural tag may also drag the attention of more people to this topic to give their judgement. If proven that they aren't connected, he can as well remove the tag.
No hard feelings here.

[shasan]

Why does it matter? How merit helps him to scam? There are no vouches on his profile.

There is no scam right now and now it may not help to scam. But the sender of the merit is a scammer and also sent tremendous merit (34) to a newbie account. It may rank up and use to scam again. For a newbie account, with vouch cant help with scamming without a good rank.

[JollyGood]

What a wonderful merit overflow I have just observed.

~snip~

Just a wonderful merit overflow, most likely, to his alt.

This user's password was reset recently.
This user recently woke up from a long period of inactivity.

That was an excellent observation. Most probably an account has never had a password reset and woken up after a long period and also sent 34 merit to another user within the space of 1 minute 

In any case, this was not done by chance. We will soon be convinced of this and understand what purpose was pursued. Earlier, he also sent out 10 merits to new accounts for completely trifling posts. But all his accounts are now asleep. I think that the new idea will also fall asleep soon.

I agree, this was not dome either by chance or in error.

Sooner or later any connected accounts will unravel, in the end they always do. By sending merits from one alt-account to another, they hope to build rank but the haste of those behind the sock-puppets is usually a major factor in their downfall.

I am going to distrust you exactly for the reason of your strong urge of leaving feedback. There are no other reason. You are possibly a good fella in the community.

I don't think this is the best way to use your custom Trust list. "You should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback." ^[reference] , but I guess that's your prerogative and you can do whatever you want with your trust list as far as I'm concerned. Although I'm not entirely sure what I did to step on your toes, I don't really care.

You did nothing and you did not step on his toes. He is an attention-seeking troll as you probably know from other threads where he and his buddies were defending the indefensible while spouting nonsense about me and other members that challenged them. For what it is worth, him distrusting you is meaningless because the troll himself is untrustworthy.

FatFork, I support your neutral tag, thanks for bringing this to your attention.  In this case, this is a clear abuse of the merit system, and in 2018, red tags were left for such cases immediately, so the neutral tag, written without any insults, it really is the place to be. But arguing with those who have double standards in the use of trust system, in my opinion, is pointless.

You are right, it is a clear abuse of the merit system and it most probably should be addressed and noted.

As for those that have double standards in the trust system (such as the troll following FatFork around), you are absolutely correct, it is pointless to either debate, engage with or argue because they are not worth giving any attention to. Speaking of which, I found this feedback that was left for you somewhat laughable because it is ridiculous and should never have been left but when they are driven by revenge the trolls and attention-seekers do weird things:

Noone agrees 100% about anything on this forum I don't think. You're always going to have those whom agree with a decision made, Those who disagree, and those who don't care or stay neutral in a situation. You'll never make anyone happy.

There is no doubt about it, getting 100% consensus on any or most subjects or issue in the forum is probably impossible.

In this case I would stay neutral unless it is proven the 2 accounts involved are alts( it looks obvious but not 100%). Without absolute proof I wouldn't want to take the chance on damaging someones reputation forever as we all know it's hard to get back to positive once accused. I do find it odd that neither account involved have made a post here, so the 1st place I would start would be by sending them both a pm to this thread and getting their response. Then go from there.

That sounds like a reasonable take on the situation and I respect that view.

I would go a little further, after he has been alerted via PM I would be expecting the puppeteer to post in this thread using both accounts justifying the situation using an explanation worthy of me eating popcorn and enjoying the scene akin to watching a movie on the cinema. I could possibly even nominate him for a best actor award as his drama unfolds but that all depends on the quality of post he makes trying convince us beyond reasonable doubt the accounts are not connected 

Why does it matter? How merit helps him to scam? There are no vouches on his profile.

There is no scam right now and now it may not help to scam. But the sender of the merit is a scammer and also sent tremendous merit (34) to a newbie account. It may rank up and use to scam again. For a newbie account, with vouch cant help with scamming without a good rank.

I completely agree with your statement.

At the moment from what I have read in the thread, I would conclude the purpose of the sending the merits is probably to assist in ranking up the account for farming purposes which would then be used for signature campaigns and bounties or for something else including nefarious purposes.

[Solosanz]

Bump

This user is create their own casino and has create proper announcement with decent graphic design ⭐HunnyPlay.com | Best Crypto Casino 🎲 180% Welcome Bonus 🎁 28% Cashback. Although the casino looks interesting, but this may look shady since he got 34 merits from negative tag user and the post is deserve for 34 merits.

However there's still no sign if he will scam anyone, so the neutral tag he got before is already enough until right now.

[HunnyFinance]

Having to read all these comments make me felt upset about this indirect linkage for being accused a scam (or possible scam). But I do understand how everyone in this forum wants to make this forum as safe as possible.
 
Initially, I didn't find that I have the need to explain my account as I thought its a neutral tag and not really suggesting anything negative. Yes, I would agree that sending merits is werid but doesn't mean that my intention is to scam.

So here's my side of the story and I sincerely hope that my explanation to end this thread peacefully.

I knew coldice for a long time since way back. Coldice was one of my first few "friends" on bitcointalk and has been good help in advising me on how to do things with crypto. I know that he has been helping people to post threads and doing some other trading businesses in crypto. 
 
Hunny project started as a DeFi project around mid 2021. I needed to venture into this forum so I asked him to help. My account is not credible and strong enough to start post with images and do campaigns.

And he did helped to post a few of our project ANN and Promotions threads. That is why you saw some of the not so popular postings by him as mentioned in the forum

But I was astounded when his account was also promoting scam and got a few RED FLAG ALERTS. So when I read my threads, the red flag suggesting that its a scam on top of his account was so prominent that I told him to remove all my posts he had posted for me.

It was a really a turn off for me as it potentially tarnished my branding and I felt very disappointed in him as I trusted him so much...

A few months ago my team decided to venture into bitcointalk and I started talking to coldice again to ask for advise again. Only this time, I would like to post the threads myself. I was still very upset with him, and he was very guilty with all the projects that he had ruined(and ruined his own account apparently). So he wanted to give me a headstart boost on my bitcointalk account(That's where you saw this +34 merits). I have no idea what merits can help but its seems hard enough to get.

What matters most is HunnyPlay is a legit running business that already been running for more than 1 year, and isn't a shady startup project like how coldice "accidently" helped others to push.

We are here all here to run businesses and not to push scam. I know bitcointalk is an important place for me to meet fellow gamblers and project owners. I hope you guys won't deprive me from having the opportunity to come back to this forum again and meet people and share my projects.

[Plaguedeath]

I knew coldice for a long time since way back. Coldice was one of my first few "friends" on bitcointalk and has been good help in advising me on how to do things with crypto. I know that he has been helping people to post threads and doing some other trading businesses in crypto. 

Personally I don't care with your stories since anyone can create a wonderful story and denying the truth, also I don't believe with your shitcoin project. But a weird merit overflow can't be considered as shady or scam, I don't think he can't pay copper membership fee since right now it's cheap. As long as there's no accusations about your casino, I will say your casino currently still doesn't have any bad reputation. It's up to anyone decision if they want to try new casino or not, since brand new casino has higher risk than the old casino.

[JessieGT]

I knew coldice for a long time since way back. Coldice was one of my first few "friends" on bitcointalk and has been good help in advising me on how to do things with crypto. I know that he has been helping people to post threads and doing some other trading businesses in crypto. 

Personally I don't care with your stories since anyone can create a wonderful story and denying the truth, also I don't believe with your shitcoin project. But a weird merit overflow can't be considered as shady or scam, I don't think he can't pay copper membership fee since right now it's cheap. As long as there's no accusations about your casino, I will say your casino currently still doesn't have any bad reputation. It's up to anyone decision if they want to try new casino or not, since brand new casino has higher risk than the old casino.

Well, at least he bothers to come out to explain his side of the story, As everyone is entitled to their opinions. so I guess its about whether you trust and experienced the project to determine if its legit.  Personally I have been using HunnyPlay.com for the last few months and have been satisfied with the experience thus far. Again this is my personal experience/ opinion. Best is to give it a try to for yourself.