NVIDIA has reportedly removed LHR from its newest drivers

[JayDDee]

Is this true that Nvidia slowed down their older graphics card performance by giving driver update?

If true it would have been a guaranteed legal case as they were sold with full hash rate.

[sp_]

If true it would have been a guaranteed legal case as they were sold with full hash rate.

No. Still full hashrate with the old drivers. Iphone and Android phones has a similar behavior. Reduced performance on old devices. If you upgrade to the latest, you get the security patches and lower speed. Basically Forcing you to upgrade.

[JayDDee]

If true it would have been a guaranteed legal case as they were sold with full hash rate.

No. Still full hashrate with the old drivers. Iphone and Android phones has a similar behavior. Reduced performance on old devices. If you upgrade to the latest, you get the security patches and lower speed. Basically Forcing you to upgrade.

Apple fined for slowing down old iPhones
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724

[bythesea]

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner 

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

[FP91G]

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner  

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

If 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, then there would be no such price reduction in the market. The demand for video cards grows only when the payback of a video card in mining is 6-12 months.
I have a lot of GTX 1060,1070,1080 and RX 470-480 video cards that have been mining for more than 5 years. The fans are broken. Chinese fans from aliexpress are of very poor quality and work for 3-4 months, so I use standard 80x80.

[swogerino]

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner  

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

If 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, then there would be no such price reduction in the market. The demand for video cards grows only when the payback of a video card in mining is 6-12 months.
I have a lot of GTX 1060,1070,1080 and RX 470-480 video cards that have been mining for more than 5 years. The fans are broken. Chinese fans from aliexpress are of very poor quality and work for 3-4 months, so I use standard 80x80.

The Gtx 10 series are one of the strongest regarding quality from what I have seen in these years that I had them from 2016 and up,I am talking about the Gigabyte and Palit brands that I had.

The Rtx 3060 ti in Ali express brand new from Gigabyte at less than 200 dollars I think it is a good price and many other cards have come down a lot.It is a good time to buy such cards for people who are willing to mine at a loss and stock up the coins for the future,and no I am not pro buying the coins as it is much harder to hold on to those coins rather than mining them little by little which is much easier to hold on.

Right now it is not a good time for mining but I have strong belief that after a couple of years we will rise again,mining is a multi million dollar industry and I think Nvidia and AMD will not lose easily such opportunity.

[OgNasty]

Is this confirmed now? I haven’t downloaded the latest drivers to try but I would if this is true. Granted I’m not mining now anyway, but I’m still curious. I wonder if there have been any lawsuits filed against Nvidia for this limiting of their hardware. It seems like some legal guru out there could probably put together a decent class action lawsuit if they were bored enough. Especially now that it’s been (allegedly) unlocked since ETH mining is no longer a thing.

If you bought an LHR video card, then what claims can you have against the video card manufacturer?
The LHR limitation did not affect gaming performance, and the claims do not apply to commercial activities on video cards for home use.

I’m not an attorney, but I imagine there is some sort of claim against a manufacturer that artificially limits their hardware and actively takes steps to keep people from unlocking that additional power. Think about Apple getting sued for slowing down older phones in order to help maintain battery life. This situation doesn’t seem all that far from Apple’s decision. I’ll admit I’m not sure what happened to Apple in that case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia didn’t have some legal liability surrounding this issue.

[JayDDee]

Is this confirmed now? I haven’t downloaded the latest drivers to try but I would if this is true. Granted I’m not mining now anyway, but I’m still curious. I wonder if there have been any lawsuits filed against Nvidia for this limiting of their hardware. It seems like some legal guru out there could probably put together a decent class action lawsuit if they were bored enough. Especially now that it’s been (allegedly) unlocked since ETH mining is no longer a thing.

If you bought an LHR video card, then what claims can you have against the video card manufacturer?
The LHR limitation did not affect gaming performance, and the claims do not apply to commercial activities on video cards for home use.

I’m not an attorney, but I imagine there is some sort of claim against a manufacturer that artificially limits their hardware and actively takes steps to keep people from unlocking that additional power. Think about Apple getting sued for slowing down older phones in order to help maintain battery life. This situation doesn’t seem all that far from Apple’s decision. I’ll admit I’m not sure what happened to Apple in that case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia didn’t have some legal liability surrounding this issue.

IANAL

My take is there is no case for LHR cards because LHR was disclosed at purchase time, either implicitly or explicitly.
If the non-LHR cards are affected it's a different matter.

It would like to think there would be a case for unfair business practices for deliberately slowing a specific application without good reason
(whining gamers is not a good reason) but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

Edit: another point is whether the AIB partners would have a case if they were forced to enable LHR while Nvidia sold FE models without it.

[bythesea]

Hehe it is so funny like nvidia is kinder garden. If i could talk to nvidias people to face ehhh ehh. What happened? Where is gamers that wanted cards? These gpu manufaturerers will never find good customer like a miner  

To be honest I think 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, also there is much bigger chance that miner will burn gpu than gamer.
My kid is playing on 1080ti ( I have no intention of getting him better until he gets better in school) for 5+ years, card was cleaned few times in that time, thermal paste never changed... No issues with the card, I think chances for the same card to survive 5+ years of 24/7 mining, barely any cleaning... are slim

If 80% of the cards are bought by gamers/designers, then there would be no such price reduction in the market. The demand for video cards grows only when the payback of a video card in mining is 6-12 months.
I have a lot of GTX 1060,1070,1080 and RX 470-480 video cards that have been mining for more than 5 years. The fans are broken. Chinese fans from aliexpress are of very poor quality and work for 3-4 months, so I use standard 80x80.

Very small amount of population actually mines, granted a single miner can have 1000s of cards but there are 100s of millions of games/designers around the world world. That ROI wasn't possible in quite a long time, especially 6 months.
Two? years ago I was able to sell 1080ti for more money that I bought it for and it was 3 years old, out of warranty and so on.
Yeah but you probably take care of the cards, they are not in closed in case, you clean then,l and so on, I know "gamers" that have never cleaned a card, they have a carpet of dust and other shit but the card still works because they don't "abuse" it that much. Also many gpus are flashed to use less power and give more mhs while many gamers overclock their cards.
Also cards you mentioned are beasts, I had more 2xxx died in a year that 1xxx in 4-5

[UserU]

I’m not an attorney, but I imagine there is some sort of claim against a manufacturer that artificially limits their hardware and actively takes steps to keep people from unlocking that additional power. Think about Apple getting sued for slowing down older phones in order to help maintain battery life. This situation doesn’t seem all that far from Apple’s decision. I’ll admit I’m not sure what happened to Apple in that case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Nvidia didn’t have some legal liability surrounding this issue.

Most of us, myself included actually couldn't purchase any GPU back then. The LHR was actually a good plan, but just like most anti-tampering measure, people would eventually find a way around it. Just like NiceHash.

After all, NVIDIA had no way to check which buyer is a miner or not.

[devil2man]

It's good news even if it comes a bit late the lhr had been removed some time ago by hack / mining programs is it true that the new drivers decrease the hash rate of the old cards?

[JayDDee]

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

[JayDDee]

I had an opportunity to test LHR vs anti-LHR vs no-LHR using verthash miner which does not have any anti-LHR.
I ran a seperate miner as the decoy anti-LHR process.

3070ti & 3080ti running Linux, old LHR driver unknown, new driver 520.
Decoy process ccminer allium intensity 11 for 3070ti, 12 for 3080ti.

               LHR            LHR+decoy      520        520+decoy
3070ti      560kH/s      807               1115        825  
3080ti      842           1275               1629       1255
Total       1402           2082               2744       2080

[FP91G]

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

LHR died when ethereum mining ended. It is not profitable to mine Ethereum forks on the 3000 series of Geforce video maps.
We sometimes discuss old video cards, because for 70-80 dollars you can get 30 megahash on the Ethash algorithm.

[OgNasty]

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

LHR died when ethereum mining ended. It is not profitable to mine Ethereum forks on the 3000 series of Geforce video maps.
We sometimes discuss old video cards, because for 70-80 dollars you can get 30 megahash on the Ethash algorithm.

It is profitable for me to mine ETC with my 3060ti with the new non-LHR drivers.  I can't be alone.  I'm sure many others who have made cheap electricity a point in their lives are also able to turn a profit with 3xxx series GPUs.  This is probably when they are still not as cheap as one would think given the supply hanging over the GPU market at the moment.  As far as this thread is concerned, I have also confirmed that the latest Nvidia drivers do not include the LHR that has plagued so many of us the last couple of years.

[FP91G]

Any question that starts with "is it true" is just trying to stir up shit.

No anti-LHR was 100% because there was no reference to compare against until now.

LHR is dead. Update your drivers, stop using anti-LHR and move on.

LHR died when ethereum mining ended. It is not profitable to mine Ethereum forks on the 3000 series of Geforce video maps.
We sometimes discuss old video cards, because for 70-80 dollars you can get 30 megahash on the Ethash algorithm.

It is profitable for me to mine ETC with my 3060ti with the new non-LHR drivers.  I can't be alone.  I'm sure many others who have made cheap electricity a point in their lives are also able to turn a profit with 3xxx series GPUs.  This is probably when they are still not as cheap as one would think given the supply hanging over the GPU market at the moment.  As far as this thread is concerned, I have also confirmed that the latest Nvidia drivers do not include the LHR that has plagued so many of us the last couple of years.

How much profit do you get? 15-20 cents from a 3060ti video card per day.
Even if I had 10 such video cards and free electricity, then I pay $10 for the Internet. The profit is very doubtful, and the breakdown of video cards is real.