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October 17, 2022, 10:54:40 AM
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To put things into perspective: ‘You look great!’ Average person tells 4 lies per day, survey shows. The number of lies varies largely per study: Average person lies 200 times per day.

Since some participants may have also lied in the survey, the question arises as to whether or not such surveys are actually useful. Wink
Liar's paradox

According to a 2002 study conducted by American psychologist Robert S. Feldman, people lie on average two to three times for every 10 minutes of conversation time. Far more frequently than they are prepared to admit, even to themselves.
https://connectingpoint.nepm.org/the-psychology-of-lying-with-robert-feldman/

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October 17, 2022, 04:30:30 PM
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But for some other more innocent lies to protect oneself or their privacy, it might not be that big of an issue. For example, I could ask you if you visited Austria this year. You say no. But 3 months ago you posted a few photos of some shops (not photos of yourself) where you used Bitcoin to pay for stuff and I happen to recognize those shops, the street where they are located, and know they are in Linz, Austria. You just lied to me when you didn't have to, but the reason you did it is because you maybe don't want people to know you live in Linz, and not because you are a scammer.
I like this example, it shows how interpretations can vary: if you live in Austria, I'd say you're not visiting Austria. So it wasn't a lie.
Some reasons why I appreciate this forum, such insights to a single case and most times all are true. Speaking of privacy ad lies in contest to the forum as stated in OP on various possible scenarios where one might tell a lie, it could all be laid on privacy reasons and comes with some backings don't you think.

I like this part:
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The difference between the average Joe Blow citizen and a person who has slightly corrupt morals, researchers argue, is the intent.
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He says we lie “to promote ourselves, protect ourselves and to hurt or avoid hurting others”.
In all, the truth they say is never left covered for ever and would surely surface some day then, it becomes a lot to take in and settle on when all could have been suckd up a long time ago. When we lie every now and then, what becomes of our words. Unfortunately, it's a part of human nature and one might feel the need not to be open to everyone.

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October 17, 2022, 05:36:10 PM
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Even a signed message won't help here (just ask Craig S. Wright how that's going for him).
Haha. I don't think he ever signed anything though, did he? He always wanted to do things on his own computers and never sent the "signed" message to another party for verification. He insisted that everything be done on his own machines. Roll Eyes

He just reuses Satoshi Nakamoto signatures, insists on secret verification by a group of people, etc...

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October 17, 2022, 05:58:35 PM
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I think it would be cool if the community had some kind of tool (however blunt) to help smoke out liars.
This would be almost impossible to prove, and I don't see how anything  can be improved with this.
You are always going t have liars everywhere, and I think most of the people here told some lies for various reasons, most obvious is privacy.
Some could say that Satoshi was the first liar, when he said that he is a man from Japan in one of his profiles Smiley

I had a very specific thing in mind when I thought of this (the recent naim027 drama, which is what got me thinking about honesty).
Naim027 is an asshole and abuser, but that is why we have trust system and it works good with cases like this.
When I suspect someone doing stuff like him I could add in my personal Bitcointalk UserNotes script, or write in in public on his profile.

I'm against reckless tagging and don't want to encourage misuse of the trust system.
Any tool you would use instead of Trust system would be public, so I don't see any difference here.
You can use Bitcointalk UserNotes script if you don't want to make your notes public.

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October 18, 2022, 10:21:09 PM
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@Sandra: Like TP, I enjoy the weird way you write posts, it's quite endearing. "Gloves" as a nickname made me smile.

Anyway, I ran this proposal by my honeybun (Mrs. Gloves) and she looked at me sympathetically, and sweetly explained that I don't understand humans very well, and that I should prepare for more pushback. So, between my compulsive need to "defend" this idea and what will probably be a stream of neigh-sayers (get it? because of the horse thing?) I'll take a step back from this topic and only poke my head in once in a while. Wink

P.S. I added a few points to the initial post.

Hahaha......it's a usual thing that I have heard over the times I've been here ....and that has -- infact -- made me confident on myself, the development process and ....uhhhh, gurus like you as well... Thanks for the acknowledgement ☺️

Did you just address us as neigh-sayers?? Is that supposed to be figurative or --say, ironical? Yeah?  Smiley
I know why you're so firmly rooted on your said points; trying to make us believe a proceed that's almost impossible... hehe..
Your honnie- bunnie kept it real with you but, I know Peeps like you in real life; you'll always wanna give a try ... who knows?? ....but that's prolly an appropriate engagement anyways.

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I agree with your points about Naim's case; the trust system could fasten the loosed, crappy brain-bolts.

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October 21, 2022, 10:52:32 PM
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Just make a thread to shame and compile archives of lies: why make it localized? You can screen users for the possible threads of hypocrisy.

Better yet, if only there was a way to permanently put a reference to the post with comments of your own, perhaps even with an indicator that follows the user around the forum. Wink

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