[Playbetr] Scammed me about 500$

[paxaman]

What happened::
Found that site after researching this forum and for the good references seen.
In the begining all seems to be ok. I was able to deposit, place some bets and all without problem. They warn me that first withdrawal can take up to 48h and next ones within 15 min, it takes more than that, I had to ask for my first withdrawal several times but finally arrived. Later I've made more withdrawals and arrived in less than an hour. Ok, fine for now.
After a month, suddenly I cannot login to my page. Chat supports said to contact support by mail, and after doing the KYC they said that "Hello, your account is permanently closed, based on our terms of service with regard to arbitrage betting" and "As you have already received considerably more than your deposit in withdrawals, this matter is considered closed." On time on closure I've about 0.04 BTC

Their accusation is completely false, I never made arbitrage

Here is my track of the bets made, last week bets are missing because closure
https://imgur.com/xkEePAE
https://imgur.com/prsdWYb

Anyone can see that there didn't look arbitrage bets at all

• All bets are low stake, about 0.001 to 0.006 btc
• There are a lot of combo bets
• I's easy to find the odds of my bets and see that there was no opposite bet to reach global winnings

I've posted on their thread and the reply was the tipical of a spamer, user was violated the terms bla bla bla. The justification was so ridiculous that they deleted my next reply

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=562960

Amount Scammed: About 0.04 BTC
Payment Method: BTC deposit
Proof of Payment: b7272dfe65aae0602d27d3ee53fc3be2783cbad07945883863a507667c862252
PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/hV6hpZv
https://imgur.com/sMKie1v

[PlayBetr]

We replied once on our thread, once on the sportsbook ratings thread and we will reply once here. We have already spent more time and money dealing with this matter than the very small amount in his account (0.0159 BTC).

The account was closed at the time the sports provider independently confirmed and advised us that he was using banned technology to achieve his wins. He made 1 deposit of 0.005 BTC and had successful withdrawals of 0.005 BTC, 0.005 BTC, 0.00147567 BTC and 0.03 BTC prior to the notification.  In this case, the deposit does not need to be returned, as the player has already received 8x that amount in withdrawals.

This shouldn't even be in scam accusations. The amount we have paid him is far more than what was in his account when it was closed. If this was a scam, we would not have paid him anything to begin with. Why would we possibly scam $300 from someone when we have paid tens of thousands in promos this year? The reputational damage alone is worth more than that, but we need to stand tall against abusive players so they get the message.

This is not a scam accusation, this is a dispute, and our sports provider has evidence that he has violated our terms of service. We have informed the player that we will submit evidence to a 3rd party mediator of his choice and abide by their decision. He has not done that. Instead he has been ranting on forums for a week. The last guy who did an accusation submitted and lost. We are confident that will be the case here, as well, if he decides to go forward.

[LEVSKI7]

these are directly for the prison   
France's gambling regulator L'autorité nationale des jeux (ANJ) has warned operators against limiting players' stakes or refusing their bets entirely. ;)ANJ concluded that operators cannot refuse bets from a player, unless the operator has a legitimate reason as designated under article L. 121-11 of the French Code of Consumption. This means that an operator could argue that it has a legitimate reason not to accept a sports bet from a patron.Legally defined legitimate reasons include refusing to allow a minor, someone who has self-excluded or an excessive bettor to gamble.In addition, offenders could receive two years in prison and a fine of €300,000.

[paxaman]

He made 1 deposit of 0.005 BTC and had successful withdrawals of 0.005 BTC, 0.005 BTC, 0.00147567 BTC and 0.03 BTC prior to the notification.  In this case, the deposit does not need to be returned, as the player has already received 8x that amount in withdrawals.

Great!! At least since last reply you have learned to make a basic sum

This shouldn't even be in scam accusations. The amount we have paid him is far more than what was in his account when it was closed. If this was a scam, we would not have paid him anything to begin with

Of course it must be considered scam as you didn't allow me to withdraw money that I won honestly.

We have informed the player that we will submit evidence to a 3rd party mediator of his choice and abide by their decision. He has not done that.

That's not true, see the post you deleted. I replied accepting the offer t submit to a 3rd party. Instead of your collaboration, you deleted the post

I will be more than happy to submit the info needed to an impartial 3rd party, If they consider that I was against any rule I will delete all my posts. But in case I was legal, will you reopen my account without applying any penalization?

[PlayBetr]

That's not true, see the post you deleted. I replied accepting the offer t submit to a 3rd party. Instead of your collaboration, you deleted the post

I will be more than happy to submit the info needed to an impartial 3rd party, If they consider that I was against any rule I will delete all my posts. But in case I was legal, will you reopen my account without applying any penalization?

Your additional post was deleted because you were spamming our thread, after we had already responded and closed the matter. Feel free to rant on this thread as much as you want. Us deleting your comment does not take away from our offer to provide the evidence to a 3rd party mediator, and we have also offered this since your comment was deleted, prior to you making this post. Maybe you should stop wasting your time posting and go ahead and make the claim already.

We are glad to hear that you love Playbetr so much that you want your account reopened, but we have already confirmed that you violated our TOS, and therefore, your account will remain permanently closed. If the mediator says to return your balance, then your balance will be returned.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

We are glad to hear that you love Playbetr so much that you want your account reopened, but we have already confirmed that you violated our TOS, and therefore, your account will remain permanently closed. If the mediator says to return your balance, then your balance will be returned.

That's a good decision. OP chose a 3rd party mediator where both of you will agree with their decision and let the case to close.

PlayBetr, why do you think making the fonts bold and coloring it blue will get you more attention?
It hurts the eyes 😂

[LEVSKI7]

That is the job of the regulator or court in the country and they would have ordered them to pay a fine for fraudulent rules.From a legal point of view, these crooks have no chance.i don't know what kind of arbitrator he will look for .actually this is a game on an illegal site

[logfiles]

This is not a scam accusation, this is a dispute, and our sports provider has evidence that he has violated our terms of service. We have informed the player that we will submit evidence to a 3rd party mediator of his choice and abide by their decision.

This is what we would love to see here if possible. It could help debunk if OP's allegations are true or false. OP, the ball is now in your hands to choose a mediator.

I noticed he has a similar problem with Betcoin.ag and the reasons for account closure are also similar. Maybe there's something more going on here.

Finally this is just another SCAM crypto Sportsbook
Stay away from that bookie and her brother playbetr.
Closed the account without any real reason. Asking to support said that I was making arbitrage bets. I can be easily demostrate that this is false. All bets was quoted from 1,6 to 2,1. The amount of the bets was not very high, from 10$ to 50$, and more than 50% of my bets was multiple
The amount stolen was insignificant, about 200$, they are just poor scammers.
(Lets see if they also deletes that post)

We always respond to any accusation. In this case, we will let the community know the same thing we told you. Your account was suspended after our odds provider confirmed that you were using banned technology to guarantee yourself wins. This is a violation of our terms. Your deposit was refunded. This matter is closed. If you continue posting on our thread, yes we will delete them, as they are considered spam.

[Igebotz]

Their accusation is completely false, I never made arbitrage

Here is my track of the bets made, last week bets are missing because closure
https://imgur.com/xkEePAE
https://imgur.com/prsdWYb

lol. I must confess that no bookmaker would take you on for a while after seeing your winnings ratio; you were clearly going to bankrupt the business. I couldn't read Playber's response because of the colored letters, and I didn't see any evidence of arbitrage in those bet slips. Perhaps someone could clarify to me what Playber claims your crime is.

We are glad to hear that you love Playbetr so much that you want your account reopened, but we have already confirmed that you violated our TOS, and therefore, your account will remain permanently closed. If the mediator says to return your balance, then your balance will be returned.

That's a good decision. OP chose a 3rd party mediator where both of you will agree with their decision and let the case to close.

PlayBetr, why do you think making the fonts bold and coloring it blue will get you more attention?
It hurts the eyes 😂

I'm already blind, and I couldn't read anything from his response because it hurts my eyes so much.

[LEVSKI7]

The legal arbitrator is the ombudsman

[paxaman]

This is what we would love to see here if possible. It could help debunk if OP's allegations are true or false. OP, the ball is now in your hands to choose a mediator.

Yes that's what I'm looking for since the beggining. Now.....how o where can I find a mediator??

I noticed he has a similar problem with Betcoin.ag and the reasons for account closure are also similar. Maybe there's something more going on here.

Yes, same reason for closure, also fake. Hope I can prove with the mediator that de accusation also has no sense. Have to say that after posting on the thread they withdraw my last deposit, just won a battle, we will continue fighting for the rest of the balance

Your additional post was deleted because you were spamming our thread

Spamming your thread??? second post on your thread...and you considere this is spam OMG! I will give my hotmail account and you will see what spam is!

We are glad to hear that you love Playbetr so much that you want your account reopened, but we have already confirmed that you violated our TOS, and therefore, your account will remain permanently closed. If the mediator says to return your balance, then your balance will be returned.[/b][/color]

Looks like someone didn't trust himself. The return of my balance is important, but secondary, my primary objective is demostrate that I didn't violated any TOS. You have milions of ways to "legaly" stop a winner user, to lie is not the best one.

[Betcoin.AG]

Have to say that after posting on the thread they withdraw my last deposit, just won a battle, we will continue fighting for the rest of the balance

This is a lie. We do not ever base our resolutions on players threatening to go to forums. The player was told his Betcoin deposit would be returned 4 days prior to him posting on the thread. As the player had not received a withdrawal yet, despite being in violation of terms, procedure is to return the deposit, as long as there are no multiple accounts involved.

Here is my track of the bets made, last week bets are missing because closure

How is it that he is able to post all his bets except the last week of play? He says because his account was closed. If his account was closed, how did he record the first sets of bets? Clearly this player takes diligent notes on his bets. Why did he suddenly stop? Why is it that he was being paid, without issue, up until the last week, where he curiously no longer has a record of the bets?

As usual, the accuser is saying half-truths to try and gain sympathy, when a simple solution would be to contact a mediator. This is a professional sports bettor (cannot call him a gambler, because with the tools he uses, he cannot lose). He is well aware of who can mediate disputes, but knows he cannot win. Don't let his talking in circles distract you from the fact that he knows exactly what he was doing, as he was doing it and is simply using this forum as a way to extort money.

[paxaman]

This is a lie. We do not ever base our resolutions on players threatening to go to forums. The player was told his Betcoin deposit would be returned 4 days prior to him posting on the thread. As the player had not received a withdrawal yet, despite being in violation of terms, procedure is to return the deposit, as long as there are no multiple accounts involved.

Hey! Wellcome to the party!
No, It was not a lie. I didn't know you criteria on resolutions. All I've said is that you make the withdrawall after I post my case to this forum.

I don't want to enter in deep with the Betcoin's scam, I will open a new threat with all the info detailed, but just as an advance: (All those conversation was from/to Betcoin support , not related with the objective of the threat)

• 18-10-22 11:23: [me]First chat requesting info about the closure of my account. Remited to support email
• 18-10-22 23:29: [me]First email from me to support
• 19-10-22 10:49: [me]Second email from me to support as there was still no reply
• 19-10-22 15:28: [betcoin]Reply from support. My account is permanently closed. Request my BTC address to withdrawn my last deposit (not my full balance)
• 20-10-22 11:22: [me]My reply with my BTC address requesting full withdrawl
• 20-10-22 16:39: [betcoin]Reply from support. Deposit will be returned within 48 hours
• 24-10-22 17:35: [me]My reply asking for the deposit. The time of 48h business days was reached, 96h if talking natural days
• 25-10-22 18:56: [me]Here comes the funnny think. My first post to Betcoin threat on bitcointalk explaining my case, still no reply from support email
• 25-10-22 19:00: [betcoin]Email reply from support explaining they talked in bussines days[/u]
• 25-10-22 19:01: [betcoin]Reply from betcoin on their threat[/u]
• 25-10-22 22:14: Withdrawal received (Still pending the rest of the balance)

How is it that he is able to post all his bets except the last week of play? He says because his account was closed. If his account was closed, how did he record the first sets of bets? Clearly this player takes diligent notes on his bets. Why did he suddenly stop? Why is it that he was being paid, without issue, up until the last week, where he curiously no longer has a record of the bets?

Well, is easy to understand. Betting is just one of my hobbies, trust me ...I have other things to do in my life. I update my excel on my free time, and that's not daily

[LEVSKI7]

https://ecogra.org/products-services/alternative-dispute-resolution
here you are a mediator. they have a license to carry out such activity


https://www.selachii.com/gambling-disputes.html

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

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Are you and PlayBetr same business? I am totally confused to see the response 😂
In any case, it's obvious that you are following by trolls or I do not understand the catch for member LEVSKI7 LOL

[...]Betting is just one of my hobbies, trust me [...]

It's hard to understand who is right but betting is not hobby for you. If it was then you would never bother to find this place and create an account to complain against any sportsbook.

[Betcoin.AG]

Are you and PlayBetr same business? I am totally confused to see the response 😂

We are run by a separate team from Playbetr. The player brought us up to imply that he was able to manipulate us into returning his deposit, even though by his own timeline, we had agreed to do so 5 days earlier.

• 25-10-22 18:56: [me]Here comes the funnny think. My first post to Betcoin threat on bitcointalk explaining my case, still no reply from support email
• 25-10-22 19:00: [betcoin]Email reply from support explaining they talked in bussines days[/u]

That timeline is simply not accurate.
We replied to his email on Tuesday 1700 UTC stating:
"The timeline was based on business days. Please let us know if you do not have this within 24 hours."
His post on our thread was at 1856 UTC and his post on the sportsbook ratings thread was at 1825 UTC.

I actually don't think he is lying here. What has likely happened here is that his time zone is 2 hours ahead of UTC, and he doesn't realize that his email updates to his time zone and BitcoinTalk does not.

Regardless, we followed the recommendation of sports industry mediation professionals, which is to return the deposit of an abusive player (as long as it is their first account), unless their withdrawals exceed the deposit value. It had nothing to do with his threats and we will never be the victim of extortion from abusive players.

Betting is just one of my hobbies

According to the numbers provided by the Playbetr rep, you earned 1000% ROI from your first deposit, betting what what you admitted were small stakes. You are primarily betting on 3rd and 4th tier leagues. Anyone who knows anything about sports betting can see that betting is not just one of your hobbies.

[paxaman]

I asked the moderator where to find a 3rd party mediator...

It's hard to understand who is right but betting is not hobby for you. If it was then you would never bother to find this place and create an account to complain against any sportsbook.

I don't understand your logic. 500$ is a considerable amount of money for me. I don't understand why I didn't try to get that money back if I think it was honestly earned even if it was a hobby.

That timeline is simply not accurate.
We replied to his email on Tuesday 1700 UTC stating:
"The timeline was based on business days. Please let us know if you do not have this within 24 hours."
His post on our thread was at 1856 UTC and his post on the sportsbook ratings thread was at 1825 UTC.

You are right, my apologies in this. I din't realise the diference time zone.
Even that If you deposit had been done within 48h (laboral or natural) this misunderstanding would not have existed


About the fact of if is or not my hobby is not the reason of the threat, stop misleading with that.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I asked the moderator where to find a 3rd party mediator...

Did you ask it to the forum moderator? They will never involve in such kind of activities. The forum does not moderate any scam.

It's hard to understand who is right but betting is not hobby for you. If it was then you would never bother to find this place and create an account to complain against any sportsbook.

I don't understand your logic. 500$ is a considerable amount of money for me. I don't understand why I didn't try to get that money back if I think it was honestly earned even if it was a hobby.

There are no problem to get back honestly earned money but its wrong to say betting is a hobby when it's clearly does not look it's a hobby for you.

[b0r0]

When I wrote about Playbetr being scam before 1 month nobody cared, I informed moderators here to put this bookmaker on black list and not allow them to promote because they will just start stealing more and more money because their site is decreasing, only thing that can stop them probably is collective push against them on court so that they can go bankrupt and not be able to pay their own lawyers

[paxaman]

Finally, thanks to https://thepogg.com/ as an intependent mediator, I get my money back.

This demostrates that the accusation of playBetr has no sense.

Now, spoiler, they will say, "Yes, you are a demon, cheater you does arbitrage, uses bots. But we are so honest that anyway we give your money, bla, bla, bla"

No sirs....you are scammers, you are stealing money from honest users and just a few decide to figth.

There are a lot of honest online casinos, no need to take the risk to play on yours

Hasta la vista baby