JollyGood and his devaluing attitude

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff.

Jesus, you're still here.  I'd hoped those mods you're talking about would change their minds about the mercy they showed you, but apparently not.  And how in the hell would you know what being a DT member is like compared to a mod?  You're wrong about it, too.  Mods have a job to do; DT members don't have to do anything at all.

Well said. I've discussed his sent feedback a few times, but the result was he stopped trusting my judgement. So it seems like a waste of time now.

Yeah, I'm currently having a PM chat with him about some stuff.  The truth is that I haven't looked at his sent feedback in quite a while, and I said I would do so.  And honestly, I'm going to have to re-read this entire thread to refresh my memory about what all the complaints against JG are.  

[Stalker22]

The joke's on the users who included him:
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I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately. Am I wrong?

[yahoo62278]

The joke's on the users who included him:
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I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately. Am I wrong?

I think they might be referring to those who have Jollygood in their list. Igehhh is just being talked about due to whom is in their list, but they can include whomever they want like anyone else.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The joke's on the users who included him:
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I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately. Am I wrong?

I think it's difficult to know what criteria members who are in your trust list consider to add or remove someone in their trust list. Discussions like these are helpful. When we are adding or removing anyone in our trust list we should consider who they have in their list too. Ultimately it's a chain.

To clearly understand please read response from me and LoyceV. Adding someone (which igehhh said he added) in the trust list because they are not trade risk is a wrong use of DefautTrust system. Trade risk reflects on feedback page.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Being on a DT Network is more demanding than becoming a Moderator/staff.

No, it's not if you are doing the right things, conforming to the community standards.

But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.

People come from different walks of life, some are rude, others are humble, some are rigid, others are flexible. There's nothing much you can do to change one's character, especially on the internet.

Lauda was one member who couldn't be advised when it came to matters of the red trust. Fun fact; I got know about Lauda and red trust even before I joined the forum. He was so popular that some people discussed him in a certain crypto telegram groups. I even thought he was an admin of bitcointalk 
He softened towards his exit, especially when some member uncovered some plagiarized posts and tried to get him banned.

No DT is a ruler or god here, well except maybe the admin, since he can do anything he likes with the forum.

[KingsDen]

But, When it comes to a DT member who is mentally sick, It's like a nuclear bomb. These DT members rule the forum.

People come from different walks of life, some are rude, others are humble, some are rigid, others are flexible. There's nothing much you can do to change one's character, especially on the internet.

This is a fact most of us have refused to acknowledge. We came from different walks of life. Personally, I came from a background where elders are always right, you dare not argue with an elder. I came from a background where you don't abuse anyone for any reason. Possibly I haven't involved in fights or quarell since I was born, that's if my memory didn't fail me.

In the other hand, there are warriors, killers, abusers and hardened criminals who are here. Expecting to receive kind treatment from everyone is a total delusion.

No DT is a ruler or god here, well except maybe the admin, since he can do anything he likes with the forum.

Some DT members are gods because the system made it so. Assuming there is a system that measures your judgement, such that if you leave 10 wrong neg tags you will be excluded from DT as long as this forum lasts. Maybe someone whose DT life is remaining 3 will be more careful to leave feedbacks.

[1miau]

This proves DT system is a joke.

The joke's on the users who included him:

Trust list for: igehhh (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1048 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h)

igehhh's judgement is Trusted by:
1. wwzsocki (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1316 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. kro55 (Trust: neutral) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 6348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Adbitco (Trust: neutral) (288 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. 1miau (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. YOSHIE (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1568 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Smartvirus (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1008 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (911 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW decodx (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (532 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Apocollapse (Trust: neutral) (399 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Rruchi man (Trust: neutral) (840 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. KingsDen (Trust: neutral) (812 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I can't see any misjudgement here because igehhh's left feedbacks are generally of high quality and very beneficial to the community. In addition, igehhh has dedicated some time to compile a valuable list of abusers in the gambling section. Yes, it's not related to trust but it's related to what's beneficial to the forum.
Considering his accurate feedbacks and his overall dedication to improve the forum, I trust igehhh's judgement and I don't see any valid arguments which prove otherwise.

The joke's on the users who included him:
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I do not understand. Why is it bad to include igehhh in my trust list? I did not pay attention to his trust list, but I only looked at his trust feedback that he left for others. I haven't noticed any "inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions" from him lately.

+1
I don't see anything provably bad in having igehhh on our trust lists.
Quite the opposite: his accurate left feedbacks are good reasons to add him on our trust list.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

This proves DT system is a joke.

The joke's on the users who included him:

Trust list for: igehhh (Trust: +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 1048 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2022-10-29_Sat_05.05h)

igehhh's judgement is Trusted by:
1. wwzsocki (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 1316 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. kro55 (Trust: neutral) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (13) 6348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Adbitco (Trust: neutral) (288 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (3102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 3171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. 1miau (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (26) 4672 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. YOSHIE (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1568 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Smartvirus (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1008 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (911 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. NEW decodx (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (532 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Apocollapse (Trust: neutral) (399 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Rruchi man (Trust: neutral) (840 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. KingsDen (Trust: neutral) (812 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I can't see any misjudgement here because igehhh's left feedbacks are generally of high quality and very beneficial to the community. In addition, igehhh has dedicated some time to compile a valuable list of abusers in the gambling section. Yes, it's not related to trust but it's related to what's beneficial to the forum.
Considering his accurate feedbacks and his overall dedication to improve the forum, I trust igehhh's judgement and I don't see any valid arguments which prove otherwise.

Being in the dt needs a good understanding of how the network works. Anyone can leave accurate feedback but they should not be in dt unless they understand the system correctly. Anyone have a place in DT should needs to understand who they should vote and shouldn't. Or for their wrong votes, abusers will take place in the system and will make the system unworthy.

I like what igehhh said in the post. He is doing a great job for cleaning up the gambling section and not trying to get noticed at all. That's how it should be and igehhh should be a good asset for the forum; he is, there are no doubt. But JollyGood, giving self notes on others feedback page which seems like he wants others to see the negative judgment and take a bad take from it, looks bad. He his judging users who are here years before even he started to wear diapers. Constantly devaluing them with his abusive behaviors, acting like a prosecutor in everything, spreading false sense of fear; all looks like he wants all attention of whatever he is doing. No doubt the abuse he is doing all the time with his negative feedback and complains coming up against him all the time, all are not good at all.

[decodx]

I can't see any misjudgement here because igehhh's left feedbacks are generally of high quality and very beneficial to the community. In addition, igehhh has dedicated some time to compile a valuable list of abusers in the gambling section. Yes, it's not related to trust but it's related to what's beneficial to the forum.
Considering his accurate feedbacks and his overall dedication to improve the forum, I trust igehhh's judgement and I don't see any valid arguments which prove otherwise.

That's exactly why I added igehhh to my trust list recently.

I have been spending some time reading his feedbacks and if I approve of igehhh's judgement than I think it's the right way of using the trust system to add him to my trust list. I'm not saying that everyone should do the same. I think personal trust lists are a very subjective thing and should be an expression of your own judgement and not a copy of other people's. I'm just saying that igehhh is someone who's feedbacks I trust, and if you want to know why then you should read his feedbacks.

Being in the dt needs a good understanding of how the network works. Anyone can leave accurate feedback but they should not be in dt unless they understand the system correctly. Anyone have a place in DT should needs to understand who they should vote and shouldn't. Or for their wrong votes, abusers will take place in the system and will make the system unworthy.

If that's the case, then the whole DT voting system is flawed. Why should I care about someone else's trust lists? Why should anyone? It's their personal opinion, and everyone is entitled to it.

I believe that only through diversity can a community remain fresh and vibrant. If everyone were the same, how boring would that be? I like diversity because it helps me to see things from different perspectives. That's why I don't mind you doing whatever you want with your trust lists, even if it seems strange to me. I don't mind that you have a different opinion than mine. I know we're all unique individuals with our own experiences and thoughts, and it's okay if we disagree about things.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I would call this topic a clarification of the personal claims of one person to another. If one says that the other person is doing something wrong, one can go further and see what many people in DT are doing, which is the same thing they think is "wrong." It's just that no one pitted these people against each other, and therefore there are no new dramas. (not yet)
But if the system needs to be radically changed, let's tell everyone when and what they are doing wrong.
All adults are here, and it is challenging to judge who and when wore diapers. I think you will hear a lot of feedback about whom these teachers are and why they began to use the word "should." Why do they allow themselves to communicate in a not-quite-decent tone? And also appoint a new position as a lawyer.
The best thing that has been invented is the tilde sign. Does everyone know how to use it?

[PaperWallet]

His mental illness is, he always wants to devalue others

You can't base psychological diagnostics on forum posts. And by calling it "mental illness", you're doing exactly what you accuse him of: devaluing him.

It has nothing to do with psychiatric diagnosis, but it is rather ignorance, because "wanting to devalue others" is not a psychiatric diagnosis.

It is no wonder though since most of the "Lengendary" and "Hero" members here have very low value, both moral and monetary, and it would be justified for one of the few good members here like JollyGood to point it out. Unless the OP wants to believe that being of "low value" does not exist and thus no one should be "devalued".

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

It is no wonder though since most of the "Lengendary" and "Hero" members here have very low value, both moral and monetary, and it would be justified for one of the few good members here like JollyGood to point it out. Unless the OP wants to believe that being of "low value" does not exist and thus no one should be "devalued".

Do you really think you are in a position to lecture value and devalue? In all your forum life you are spreading rumors and supporting rumors that makes you happy to underestimate reputable forum members. JollyGood is just a wanna be reputable forum member who in my opinion is a sadist. He feels good when he insults others. He takes it a pleasure in seeing others are suffering.

[Oluwa-btc]

In as much as I hate to admit, I dread the Profile Username JollyGood but honestly speaking, if you watch and analyse the effort he has shown and done towards combating and tackling low quality post in the gambling section you'll give him the regards and applause for his tirelessness. The Red trust given to some user's from JollyGood to some user's over months are wrong reading from replies have seen innit this thread, but if that would help reduce the shvt posting and spammers down that end then so be it.

I personally don't have issues with him, but if I should me genuine suggestions on thr gambling section and board, since users who starts thread are just too lazed to follow up those threads and help curb those shvt posting, then I'll go by saying, those football threads should be self moderated by JollyGood alone. This is just my opinion, a lot might not dance to it though.

The only thing I find faulty with him is that, he was a bit biased when I wrote innit his self- moderated thread deleting a post I bashed Chelsea for a game they lost. ( Knowing very well that JollyGood is a Chelsea football fan ). Maybe he will be neutral if Theymos eventually makes him a moderator in that gambling section. ( That's for Biq T Theymos to decide though )

I'm certain he is fit for that, this are no flattering, I'm no friends with JG. I just hope to see changes drastically. Peace ✌️

[The Sceptical Chymist]

He softened towards his exit, especially when some member uncovered some plagiarized posts and tried to get him banned.

Really?  I certainly don't remember it that way at all, though I admit my memory is faulty more often than I'd like it to be.  Lauda didn't exactly rage quit the forum, but I could have sworn that, like Vod, Lauda started leaving some very questionable feedback and I began to lose trust in him somewhat.  I'm just too tired and/or lazy to go back and look at Lauda's trust page to verify that.  Perhaps I will later.

I also knew of Lauda and some others before I became a member, as I was a lurker for months before joining and found the drama here to be more than a little bit interesting.  It's been dull as of late, but man....when something pops off, bitcointalk can be the most entertaining site on the net.

If that's the case, then the whole DT voting system is flawed. Why should I care about someone else's trust lists? Why should anyone? It's their personal opinion, and everyone is entitled to it.

To be fair, people have been calling the DT list flawed for a very long time, especially when it came from the top down, i.e., before Theymos changed it to the rotating system we have now.  I think it's worse now, and it's gotten to the point where being on DT is practically meaningless (which isn't how it used to be).

I believe that only through diversity can a community remain fresh and vibrant. If everyone were the same, how boring would that be? I like diversity because it helps me to see things from different perspectives. That's why I don't mind you doing whatever you want with your trust lists, even if it seems strange to me.

I agree with that.  At the same time, there's always been a need to define a set of members who've demonstrated their trustworthiness, especially since this forum has always scammers stacked up from the floor to the ceiling, coming out of the cracks in the woodwork, and jumping out of the cereal box when you open it.  I couldn't say if it's gotten better over the years, but the DT system always did have a purpose, even if its setup was highly flawed.

Anyway as I've said before, my trust list now consists of exactly this: ~DefaultTrust.  I've opted out of the game I no longer care to play.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

JollyGood, you do realize, you don't even have balls to response me directly. Who did you even addressed when you quoted me on that thread?

Sending PMs to nearly all members that trust me

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5428335.msg61444043#msg61444043



Sadist liar JollyGood, I dare you. Prove it.

Really, I need mental stability? Or you do. Aren't you such a bully who do things behind the closed doors to seek PM-help from oldies to get favour (at least you reached to The Skeptical Chymist)? It's okay, when children are in diaper, they need help from parents and grand parents. But when you keep looking for opportunity to leave negative feedback (red or plain), misuse DT power to harass forum users, eventually create unnecessary controversy but then runaway to response the victims without giving a justification; you will find users like me stood up and standing by the victims. It does not matter if the bully is a diaper baby like you or an OG of the community.

We built the community with our blood and sweat for the development of Bitcoin. It's not built for power seeker sadist like you who spend all their time to harass forum members. Sadly since the merit system placed in action, people like you are spreading fear on the web all the time. You are cashing out from the false sense of scam busting. It's not scam busting but an very proven easy way to benefit for your own interest. You are using it to earn merit, take a place in DT then eventually earn from signature campaign. But sadly all your activities are resulting a huge denial from new crypto startup to newly interested people who wants to register with us. The forum is a scary place for low rank members and new crypto business. You are not useful for bitcoin development.

P.S: To prove my point can someone bring a topic where JollyGood had a knowledgeable conversation about bitcoin and its development? I don't find any after looking at his post history. All his posts were made at announcements (sltcoins), gambling discussion, scam accusations, gambling, tokens (sltcoins), reputation, sltcoin discussion, speculation (sltcoins), politics & Society and Meta.

It's interesting, 33% of your post are in shitcoin spammer heaven boards and you are leaving personal notes to others, justifying it's fine because it's a neutral feedback. Ironic 🤣

[yahoo62278]

 Aren't you such a bully who do things behind the closed doors to seek PM-help from oldies to get favour (at least you reached to The Skeptical Chymist)? It's okay, when children are in diaper, they need help from parents and grand parents. But when you keep looking for opportunity to leave negative feedback (red or plain), misuse DT power to harass forum users, eventually create unnecessary controversy but then runaway to response the victims without giving a justification; you will find users like me stood up and standing by the victims. It does not matter if the bully is a diaper baby like you or an OG of the community.

You appear to be the 1 trying to keep the drama going IMO. You take every opportunity to call out JG that you can. The reality is you come off as a bully who is also trying to harass a user instead of just moving on and ~JG. If all the DT wanted him off then they would have removed him by now. You're closer to being ~ than he is IMO at this point.

I don't care if you like each other or not. Can't get along, then don't reply in topics about the other. Hit ignore and grow the fuck up. You made your point and stood up to him, so isn't it time to stop being 12? So tired of forum drama queens.

[dkbit98]

You appear to be the 1 trying to keep the drama going IMO. You take every opportunity to call out JG that you can. The reality is you come off as a bully who is also trying to harass a user instead of just moving on and ~JG. If all the DT wanted him off then they would have removed him by now. You're closer to being ~ than he is IMO at this point.

Maybe he would stop if we didn't saw other members popping up all the time complaining about JollyBad and his feedback and/or behavior.
Just look at his post history, feedback to other members and than say who is acting like a kid and drama queen.
He is obviously enjoying this and he gave you a merit for your post, so good work in his eyes 

@BitcoinGirl.Club you should really stop feeding the troll, and leave him in his duplicated gambling topics.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

You appear to be the 1 trying to keep the drama going IMO. You take every opportunity to call out JG that you can. The reality is you come off as a bully who is also trying to harass a user instead of just moving on and ~JG. If all the DT wanted him off then they would have removed him by now. You're closer to being ~ than he is IMO at this point.

I don't care if you like each other or not. Can't get along, then don't reply in topics about the other. Hit ignore and grow the fuck up. You made your point and stood up to him, so isn't it time to stop being 12? So tired of forum drama queens.

Yahoo yahoo, come on brother.
Yes, I may look like a bully but against which member? The only way to stop a bully is to bully him back and for the sake of wellbeing of entire forum, a bully is necessary against a sadist.

Theymos specifically suggested if anyone is misusing their DT status and abusing feedback then take a stand against him. Your job is done by just saying ~JollyGood which I understand you don't want to go for any personal conflict with anyone. I also understand many people like you do not want to go against a personal conflict with anyone especially not against JollyGood. You find out why is that, I don't want to write another few paragraphs of why very few people stand against him and why some don't.

I do not care to have a personal conflict with anyone for greater benefit of the forum. I was expecting a better response, as response to the concerns raised against JollyGood from many users. I would appreciate if you would find me how is JollyGood helping the bitcoin ecosystem and bitcoin development? I could not find any. I doubt he even know how to set up a MultiSig bitcoin wallet unless he starts studying it now. How is he helping the forum? All he is doing is spreading fear to members. Why?

If you answer me, he is a good scam buster, that's bullshit. He may used to, started it to gain merit, to build a reputation and to have attention of good vibe but from a year or more, he is not a scam buster anymore, he turned into a bully. He proved himself that he is a sadist. Just look at the topics created against him requesting to remove unwanted feedback left on their walls. It keeps going from last few years. When red feedback became harder for him, he invented an new way of leaving negative feedback. What else you need from him to justify that he is not a sadist?

Unfortunately when it is about JollyGood, there are very few people are talking about it. Some in his favour and some against his works. You are one of them of this small group. If you are so tired of it then just ignore anything related to JollyGood, in fact ignore the entire reputation board.

[saxydev]

I have posted 3 times so far, nobody even quoted or reply to my problem.
Received a feedback of being alt of the Rock trading by JollyJonnyBeGood.
I have talked about it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431185.msg61494792#msg61494792
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg61204690#msg61204690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61204784#msg61204784


Thank you everyone ignoring my posts and thank you JollyJonnyBeGood for being such a BeGood personality.

[examplens]

I have posted 3 times so far, nobody even quoted or reply to my problem.
Received a feedback of being alt of the Rock trading by JollyJonnyBeGood.
I have talked about it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431185.msg61494792#msg61494792
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg61204690#msg61204690
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418565.msg61204784#msg61204784


Thank you everyone ignoring my posts and thank you JollyJonnyBeGood for being such a BeGood personality.

what exactly do you want to say here?
you didn't even try to explain that he was wrong. also as far as I can see, his feedback is based on his assumption, and anyone who wants to do business with you will have a dose of suspicion, and there's still nothing wrong with that.
what is the problem you want to present here?