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November 01, 2022, 07:24:29 PM
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But then there are many gamblers who are playing from non-allowed regions by using VPN and do not get caught. (Or gambling houses don't care as long as people are depositing and playing).
But that is never a good idea, the person can fall victim of his own mistake if already included in the ToS of the gambling site that no VPN is allowed, or if he part of the people from a country not allowed to make use of the gambling site.

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November 01, 2022, 08:52:49 PM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
I don't think decent online casinos will impose disparities based on your location, that will be detrimental to their business. Only a handful of people, even to this day, will bother installing a VPN to bypass borders and preventing the ones who can't be bothered to install these networks will also hinder you, the casino, from getting more customers. I have been made aware of certain casinos rigging their games, but I don't think that applies to online casinos or at least as I said earlier, the ones that are decent enough.
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November 01, 2022, 09:06:18 PM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

It is possible that casinos can do all sorts of tricky stuff with the algorithms behind the scenes, but the real fact is they do not really need to do such things. Once casinos reach a critical mass of players, they can often sustain themselves in a totally legitimate manner because every single game they offer customers is geared to pay them money over the long term. Even sports betting companies engineer their odds with an extra buffer to guarantee profitability. They are sitting on top of money printing machines and professional operations often have no interest in the type of manipulation you describe, they're better off funneling money towards advertising to draw in new players.

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November 01, 2022, 09:29:21 PM
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That’s slot machine and probably the casinos are using something to limit the number of winners or else, many will make money if they didn’t control it and that mat cause them a bankruptcy. Casinos knows how to win always and that’s the reality even if the authority asked them for this, they can easily defend that because that’s how gambling works and we have to deal with that.
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

It is possible that casinos can do all sorts of tricky stuff with the algorithms behind the scenes, but the real fact is they do not really need to do such things. Once casinos reach a critical mass of players, they can often sustain themselves in a totally legitimate manner because every single game they offer customers is geared to pay them money over the long term. Even sports betting companies engineer their odds with an extra buffer to guarantee profitability. They are sitting on top of money printing machines and professional operations often have no interest in the type of manipulation you describe, they're better off funneling money towards advertising to draw in new players.

I also don't think they will focus on manipulating the algo of their machines.
Because if someone got a hold of it, their reputation may be ruined and so their business.
It is more on how they will attract their patrons and building credibility, where they will generate more income.
Remember, if the casino/bookie owners don't know what they are doing, their business won't stay long.
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November 01, 2022, 10:05:13 PM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

If its an industry practice someone from casinos will tell us or spill it that they are doing it, but so far no one has come out yet, we are just speculating that they are because of the restriction set up, this is unfair for players just because they are on that location and its cheating on the part of the casinos if there are manipulations, if casinos accept players from a specific country to play in their casinos, it should have a fair chance like all the other players.

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November 01, 2022, 10:35:22 PM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

looking at the casinos in the TOS of most of them is clear: It is forbidden to use the casino if the person lives in a restricted country, then the casinos would not be manipulating an algorithm to limit the earnings of people from certain countries, this would be unethical and unfair, as all customers who are in a legal situation have the same rights does not matter the color of the person or country, if that person lives in a poor country and they charge high taxes but can use casinos then this person has the same rights as a person from a rich country who can use casinos, now they are manipulating the algorithm to limit people's earnings or payouts, I don't see how this is something right and legal. maybe i'm wrong but i see this of manipulating the algorithm as something wrong

if casinos accept players from a specific country to play in their casinos, it should have a fair chance like all the other players.

I also agree, and I wonder why OP is asking this strange question, it sounds like OP wants to do something strange, I suspect that OP is asking this question without him not having a specific objective, but I still can't understand what he intends

I also don't think they will focus on manipulating the algo of their machines.

scammers are capable of anything, in scammer casinos they can handle anything

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November 01, 2022, 10:51:57 PM
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....is it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
Maybe possible to pull off on land-based casinos and online casinos that's not provably fair. I mean you can verify the results of your game in most online casinos today so it will be tough for them to rig the game.

I think you are already familiar with what they do when a player wins big. It's the usual suspend after further review and then comes the "violated TOS" justification hehe.

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November 01, 2022, 11:18:28 PM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
This sound very interesting but I still don't agree with you on this opinion because we all know that anybody can sue a casino depending on what it is really involved. If a casino decided to limit people from a particular region on how much it can payout for players in order to avoid legal battles from fortunate players then I think that casino is truly not ready for business.
 Casinos are supposed to be reliable and universal when we talk about treating players equally. We should all know that it is only a scam casino that will want to limit players based on region when it comes to payout.

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November 01, 2022, 11:26:06 PM
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I also don't think they will focus on manipulating the algo of their machines.
Because if someone got a hold of it, their reputation may be ruined and so their business.
That's subjective, each casino can do that but if they want to, they always should go with the automated process through the algo's code and they have no control over its result. They can just increase the chance for the house and decrease the chance for their players.

It is more on how they will attract their patrons and building credibility, where they will generate more income.
Remember, if the casino/bookie owners don't know what they are doing, their business won't stay long.
When they're already built and reputed, that's when they can change some policies and things that will be definitely favorable to them. But in terms of games, they're just getting it from their providers so they have no hold and touch on it.

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November 01, 2022, 11:26:44 PM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
Wow. This is my first time hearing about this. They must put it on their Terms of Services (TOS). But if ever this is true, this is a big L for most online casinos.
But I don't think there are some issues with this if the customer is following their Terms Of Services (TOS). If customers agreed about doing some compliance process, they can do it. I believe these online casinos already have trigger or warning for some customers that will withdraw a huge amount off from their platform.
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
Just like what the others have said above, it's possible but I doubt that the casino owners are willing to put some middle point on their geo-restrictions as they're usually one way or the other. And I think it's better that way since having small and limited payouts would just discourage the players to come back and play regularly when they're blocked off from potentially getting bigger wins and payouts.

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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

A lot of people here are answering with utter nonsense, and I'm certainly not going to be one to act like they know for sure what the answer is here like some people are, but for what it's worth I've been told in the past there is a way for Casinos to show that their payouts are provably fair, though I completely forget how, I think it depends on the Casino.  But I'm curious what the true answer to this is just as much as you.

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November 02, 2022, 04:53:40 AM
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The OP has not been very successful with his hunch, because it is nothing more than a hunch.

A casino can make a lot of money without doing weird things like he posits, if it is able to attract enough players (through advertising) and able to keep them coming back (by providing them with a good user experience, plus promos, etc.). Add to that a good management of funds and we see that online casinos are extremely profitable, just look at the gambling section of this forum and the signature campaigns.

They don't need to do weird things like the OP thinks,

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I think they don't do such things but they rather limit a player from that kind of region. Some regions especially south America and Middle East obviously, can have tight controls on wealth. This is very disruptive for a gambling business. So this is my opinion though, they go directly to block these nationalities at door. I feel so sad about people from those regions, having huge issues just to play slots.
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I don't think this companies would do such thing as the consequences they know wouldn't be funny.
Just as my mate@pierre said that, the doors are rather shot at some nationalities with tight control of wealth and I agree with him because, even without the said algorithm, they could still make alot of money rather than risking the company's reputation
A lot of people here are answering with utter nonsense,

You really don't have to condemn wat others have to say since you as well don't have a concrete answer to this
Everyone who made a comment, I guess were trying to assist the OP get clarity on the question he just asked

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November 02, 2022, 06:37:54 AM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
I doubt it because that is not really the problem of the casino, if you win big at a casino it is your responsibility as a tax payer to declare that income, depending on where you are located that money could be tax-free or you could need to pay a percentage of those profits to the government, but the casino has nothing to do with that process.

Also it seems way more simple for a casino to ban players coming from some countries where laws are very strict than to somehow modify and adjust their games to give out different payouts depending on the country at which their players reside.
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But then there are many gamblers who are playing from non-allowed regions by using VPN and do not get caught. (Or gambling houses don't care as long as people are depositing and playing).
But that is never a good idea, the person can fall victim of his own mistake if already included in the ToS of the gambling site that no VPN is allowed, or if he part of the people from a country not allowed to make use of the gambling site.
I heard many time website don't allow users for using VPNs, so if the user using another trick like DNS, is this problem?. The big problem with gambling sites is they live in countries with don't allow users who have enthusiasm for gambling, I hope in the future this big problem solved with an MOU between them.
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One of the things that we gamblers hate besides delayed withdrawal, and if there is a hint of manipulation, we hate all forms of manipulation, it could be on the seed, on the provably fair, or anything, no gamblers will play if they find out that the casino manipulated their results not to favor your country to win big, it's worse than delayed payment because you already lose a chance to win big by casino manipulating the results through location, but so far there is no accusation of that sort.

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November 02, 2022, 07:13:32 AM
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You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?
I've never found this in the T&C of any of the casinos because if they implemented this without including it in the T&C players would accuse it of cheating on the part of the casino.
But I think there is no such thing because the max win applied in a slot game is enough to limit the player's winnings because the amount that will be obtained will depend on the value of the bet.

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