[CLOSE] SINBAD.IO [Mix Your BTC Quickly] Signature Campaign | Up-to $225/w

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

You're starting a revolution here Royse in the management business kudos for that, glad you pick interest in this as you have raised the bar for other managers. I just hope all campaigns with this pay rate last very long on the forum. Maximum 50 post & $250/week would be fine. You have some of the best posters in this campaign and especially in the green zone area that won't spam just to meet weekly qoata which means this campaign is in good hands.

Personally I had some couple rough months and wasn't fully Involved with the forum but that's in the past and making above 50+ quality posts on the forum in a week is something that can be done without having to spam the forum especially when there are quality conversation to write in.

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[BlackHatCoiner]

- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

That sounds rhetorical. What requirements and payrate per post will each have?

[cryptofrka]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

I am not considering opinion from average quality posters but posters who do not chase weekly maximum limits, who posts because they shares valuable insights and guidance. I would like to have opinion from current Green Zone, Legendary and many other prominent bitcointalk members.

Good time to join Sinbad, I guess CM vibes around here..

Of course everybody will prefer 250 to 200$, most of us don't write 50 posts week in/week out though.
6$ per post was kind of a soft spot for the best posters on the forum, I hope it continues to be the case going forward.
Then again, 5$ per post for a maximum of 50 is better than 6$ per post for a maximum of 25

If a poster is good and has time to write, I'll always vote for a higher max number of posts to be accepted.
In best campaigns post quality should not be in doubt, after all - there will be people fighting for these spots and if we write 50 bad posts, we'll simply be replaced.

I'd like to touch on the following though:

In summary, Green Zone will be removed and Merit Rank will be introduced.

I personally feel that merits are more of a 'persistence' thing, and are also easy to farm. You can go to the WO board and get 10 merits daily by posting memes and selling hopium, whereas you can write 20 quality posts in gambling without receiving any.

I'm not against merit ranks per se, I'm just saying that the distribution is skewed - and that merits alone are often not the best representation of a user's posting quality. I hope that we won't have huge oscillations in payments with merits as the sole evaluating criteria.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I'm not a prominent, Legendary or Green Zone member but I consider myself a good or at least more than average poster that doesn't spam or anything. Just trying to add to the community.

Anyway, I think the Merit rank is a great idea. It rewards long lasting members that have and had a great impact to this forum.

As for the 40 or 50 question, I think everybody would like to get 50 posts paid, as it's good money. If you reach this number is a different question, just people shouldn't force themselves to do so. On the other hand it might also be a little big dangerous because the forum might get flooded with useless posts.
Thankfully I don't spot a lot of those posts with campaigns you are managing but I spot a LOT of spam by some certain big casino site campaign members, which is very annoying often enough.

That being said, if you have a good mix of quality posters in your ranks it is nice to pay max 50 posts, but 40 is a nice number to begin with as well.

Hopefully we don't have to apply again for the sinbad campaign spots, even though we are already members in it.

Thanks for the great work and fr the bonus last week!

[Rruchi man]

To prevent the possibility of spamming, having a maximum count of 40 would be better than having 50. However, just because someone writes 50 or even more posts, that doesn't mean they are spamming and lack quality in their writing.

Spammers will spam even if it is just the regular 25 post needed weekly, I am not a member of the campaign yet, but I believe that the top members of this campaign can meet up to the demand.

If anyone is found to be spamming, they should be removed to give room to others who can efficiently represent the project.

[holydarkness]

- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

That sounds rhetorical. What requirements and payrate per post will each have?

I am assuming it'll be around what Mixero looks like, with merit rank being introduced and used; basically the normal rate per rank will be lower than it is right now, but once someone reached certain merit treshold [3000+ for mixero] they'll earn special rate, that'll allow them to reach 200-250$ per week].

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I personally feel that merits are more of a 'persistence' thing, and are also easy to farm. You can go to the WO board and get 10 merits daily by posting memes and selling hopium, whereas you can write 20 quality posts in gambling without receiving any.

I'm not against merit ranks per se, I'm just saying that the distribution is skewed - and that merits alone are often not the best representation of a user's posting quality. I hope that we won't have huge oscillations in payments with merits as the sole evaluating criteria.

I don't think I can describe what I have in my mind better than this. As someone who never, not even once, touched or peeked the WO board [hell, I don't even know what that board is about and what's being discussed there, but its nefarious reputation for merit farming resonates to the board I usually roamed around], I hope that merit factors won't... affect the rate way too much. Or if it has to, perhaps we see which board the merits come from to see if the merit counts are really due to the quality of the posts produced or is it due to the user usually posts on board that notoriously generous on distributing merit for little to no effort.

As cryptofrka said, different boards entitle users to different merit generosity, thus the distribution is a bit... skewed.

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

If I may be honest, 40 or 50 seems impossible for me as I barely even managed 25 weekly, so the number doesn't mean much to me as I don't think I am interested to reach 40, let alone 50.

Basically, the logical principle applied here will be, "the more posts people made, the more immersive Sinbad's brand awareness is." But it'll also encourage a bad impression if many were merely chasing weekly maximum quota and lowered their standard. So if I may propose, perhaps we go with 40 per week for several weeks, see how this new structure works and if it encourages spam or not, and if it doesn't, then we go with 50?

And thus, naturally, we first go with 200$ for 40 posts, and if we can control the spam possibility, we raise the bar to 50 posts and the limit will raise to 250$? [this is assuming that I assume correctly the new payment structure you'll use]

[joker_josue]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

For me, being 50 post is not a problem, but I believe that for some it is more complicated. So, I think that for many people, 40 posts/week would be easier. But the number 50 looks prettier.  

The point here is: if 50 posts will give you $250 and 40 posts will only give you $200. I believe that even those who have greater "difficulty" will prefer 50.

In summary, Green Zone will be removed and Merit Rank will be introduced.

At this point I agree with @cryptofrka this element should be added sparingly.

[Trofo]

In summary, Green Zone will be removed and Merit Rank will be introduced.

At this point I agree with @cryptofrka this element should be added sparingly.

This is part that bothers me as well. I am trying to wrap my head about the fact that more and more campaigns on forum are going towards merit route. I really don't see the merit in using merit as metric to evaluate posters It is really skewed way to look at things since getting them in some parts of forum is so much easier than in other parts. It is also very subjective metric and this trend will lead to increased merit farming with time.

As a campaign manager myself I am wondering if I am missing something, but as it stands I don't think I will ever want to implement that metric, especially for the people whose posts I am reading every week. College degree and great CV will only get you the job in real life, then you have to prove yourself. Once when you are in the company only your results should be the element that gets rewarded. That was really nicely handled so far with that bonus for best posters. I would love to hear your reasoning behind this change Royse. If I were looking at something like this I would rather use "Most recognized" metric on bpip, it at least evaluates more factors and not just merits. I know I will now look like a hypocrite since that one is obviously the best for myself but that is my honest opinion and I am not doing that bad on "merit only" front.

Regarding actual question and amount of posts that will be paid I don't have strong opinion. I am now paid for 25 and I am writing about 35 while being very busy in real life. That will probably rise to my standard 45 when workload drops to normal no matter how many posts I am paid for.

[Igebotz]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

Great pay-rate! I shall talk only for myself. I'm a regular forum user and I make 35-38 posts on average and occasionally 40-45 weekly depending on time so it's not a big concern for me and I doubt it would cause any disadvantage for those who post less than 25 posts weekly considering it's $/post. We already have some of the most notable quality posters, so spamming is less of an issue..

Good time to join Sinbad, I guess CM vibes around here..

In summary, Green Zone will be removed and Merit Rank will be introduced.

I'm not against merit ranks per se, I'm just saying that the distribution is skewed - and that merits alone are often not the best representation of a user's posting quality. I hope that we won't have huge oscillations in payments with merits as the sole evaluating criteria.

Welcome abroad! I and Trofo will show you around.

I agree, but unfortunately merit count is the new S.I unit for quality posters now. BUT due to how the merit sources are positioned, those of us who are quite active on the gaming board are at a significant disadvantage. An active B&H user with 20 posts is more likely to have merits than a quality gambling board poster with 200+ posts. But whatever it is, we now know. Hope we don't get paid less than what we deserved

[AB de Royse777]

If I were looking at something like this I would rather use "Most recognized" metric on bpip, it at least evaluates more factors and not just merits.

This factor is heavily in use to separate doubts between two or more equal choices and pick one from them.
Not to mention there are other factors like
- Having people from busy local boards and balancing how many a campaign can afford to have from a same local board
- Users have habit posting in specific boards. We don't want a poster who have all concentration in only one board.
- Users knowledge about Bitcoin is a good factor too. We want knowledgeable bitcointalk members in a campaign.

I hope that we won't have huge oscillations in payments with merits as the sole evaluating criteria.

Merit definitely helps to filter between good and bad posters but when searching for THE BEST people, we need to find the good posters first. The Merit rank helps a lot in this case.

Regarding actual question and amount of posts that will be paid I don't have strong opinion. I am now paid for 25 and I am writing about 35 while being very busy in real life. That will probably rise to my standard 45 when workload drops to normal no matter how many posts I am paid for.

In my opinion, being in a campaign does not mean a member limit himself to the highest paid post per week rather he needs freedom and have the opportunity to get paid for all the GOOD posts he is making (without a ceiling of maximum posts to get paid) to contribute in the community.

To prevent the possibility of spamming, having a maximum count of 40 would be better than having 50.

And thus, naturally, we first go with 200$ for 40 posts, and if we can control the spam possibility, we raise the bar to 50 posts and the limit will raise to 250$? [this is assuming that I assume correctly the new payment structure you'll use]

I like the idea to experiment how $200 per week goes then try $250 per week. But I can assure you that when a campaign have a budget to pay $200 or $250 per week, spam / bad posters are the last thing that will be tolerated.

[dkbit98]

Please share your thoughts.

I am currently not in Sinbad campaign but I really want to see more campaigns introducing different payrate that is not based on number of written posts.
My best experience was with signature campaigns that allow me to write in my usual style and they don't force me to write 50+ posts, or minimum amount of posts.
That probably makes job much easier for manager because they don't have to check every single post, but than you can't accept anyone in campaigns like this.
I think currently Foxpup pays like this for wearing Avatar, and I want to see more campaigns doing this.
In case of abuse or inactivity manager should be allowed to remove participants at any time.

Just my 2 sats

[examplens]

As a participant in this campaign, here is my opinion on this discussion. I'm not at my desktop, the internet is a bit weak at the moment, so I won't quote and specially edit the text.
First of all, Royse, I have to commend you on the initiative to shake things up a bit and try to raise the management of signature campaigns and their quality to a higher level.

If you ask us (participants) what is the best payment rate, I believe that it would be ideal for us to keep the same limit of 25 posts, but for it to be worth $250. OK, I'm exaggerating 

The first thing I would like to point out, if we are talking about the payment rate, I must mention the latest changes in the Mixero campaign. It is currently the campaign that pays the most to an individual but at the same time the worst paid campaign. There we have three members who can earn $250, while the others are paid "only" $2.5 per post (Legendary rank), which is one of the lowest rates.
That they can reach the full $125 with a larger number of posts, which is currently average or just above. I would say that such a payment rate is aimed at spamming and worse quality. For example, the Stake campaign (which is definitely the worst in terms of the ratio of cost and what is gained) promises more with a similar payment rate. With the current competition in campaigns, for that money, plus a large number of posts, the most that can be expected are spammers, valuable members, certainly not.

What do I see as the epilogue of that campaign?
Three prominent members, no matter how good they are, will not be able to fully carry the entire campaign and in the end, it will not justify the money spent.

Also, even if this (Mixero) campaign has the best rates, member ETFbitcoin was paid $5 per post. At this point, I'm getting paid more than him ($6 per post), and honestly, I'm not even close to the quality of his writing. I'm a little sorry that he left Sinbad sig., a really good poster.

To return to the topic, payment rate and maximum number of posts in the Sinbad campaign.
If Sinbad prefers to assume a dominant role in the mixing industry, also here on the forum through a signature campaign, then the matter is clear. Best payment rate and maximum number of posts. Of course, a lot depends on the budget.

Here I would give an example of the best campaign so far, CM. They didn't start as the most paid campaign either, but over time everything rose to a higher level. As CM grew, so did the campaign.
I believe that it would be most realistic to start now with 35 posts max and the current payment rate (I'm talking about the green zone). So, it's about $210 max.
Over time, if the budget allows, you can increase the maximum number of posts.

As for merit rank, I agree with most of what they said in previous posts. With various contests like Pizza Bake Off and similar, threads like WO, users who have earned a lot of merit and do not leave the local board, I think that merit is overestimated.
Of course, it is not a unique rule, merit still serves its purpose. But I certainly wouldn't take earned merit as a basic criterion for selection in the campaign.

Here I will give an example, right from this campaign. User cryptofrka was accepted into the Sinbad campaign as a regular Legendary (non-green zone). He has just over 1000 merits (Sorry frka, I'm just too lazy to check exactly how much you have). According to the merit rules, this is only enough for ordinary status in the campaign.
But cryptofrka manages several threads in gambling, where it periodically publishes results and changes important for all participants of those threads. So all participants do not miss his posts, because they are informative for them.
So, a very valuable member, but he didn't earn merit, because the gambling section doesn't have much merit at all.

In the end, let me also complain about my pain, considering that I don't have 3k earned merit, so I'm probably out of here. I didn't expect it to end like this. 

[Onyeeze]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

What should be the main concern is the budget from the management, I can see that if campaign have measurable payments to her participants, the signature campaign do stays long, if making 50 post will bring spamming and reduce a quality of participates and also affect how long the campaign should run, I will like the post to end on 40 posts per week and they will be quality posts, but if the t
50 post will bridge this project to experience short term, let the idea of making 50 should be cancelled and basically focus on 40 posts only.

[Woodie]

Naturally everyone will want to get the higher incentive depending on pay rates applied, but then again for the sake of having a quality campaign the lesser post needed in a quota the better, but on the marketing side of the product more posts means more impressions and possibly higher chances to drive traffic towards the Sinbad channels and securing longevity of the campaign. And the plus side of such a campaign, places become competitive and anybody going below par if not the green zone such a spot is in trouble ** of course after a few warnings as always** just my 2cents.

And thanks for setting the new standards when it comes to signatures , hope it's not @notblox1  ⚔️ Game of Thrones ⚔️ Campaign Manager Challenge ⚔️ that caused the chain reaction 

[Nwada001]

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Nwada001

We are requesting everyone to use one from the new avatar set if you have not updated your avatar yet.

I was putting on one of the avatars I voted for earlier during the time of the winners selection, and right now I just have to change to a newer one. It's good that we have multiple choices to choose from, and I hope it will be okay if I can pick from any of the approved avatar ones in a while when ever I need a new look on my avatar space.

What should be the main concern is the budget from the management, I can see that if campaign have measurable payments to her participants, the signature campaign do stays long, if making 50 post will bring spamming and reduce a quality of participates and also affect how long the campaign should run, I will like the post to end on 40 posts per week and they will be quality posts, but if the t
50 post will bridge this project to experience short term, let the idea of making 50 should be cancelled and basically focus on 40 posts only.

 

I don't think campaign budget is the issue here; the manager is just interested in what could be considered the best option for the current campaign par rate, as we are expected to see new changes in the campaign anytime soon. If budget is the issue here, I think it will be left to the manager and the project to worry about, as what's really discussed here is how to bring out the best in the participants.

Most of the users above have already shared opinions based on how they feel and what they expect to see in the campaign. I would love to add my little piece, but let me leave the talking to our green zone/higher rank members, as they have more experience regarding this than I could think of.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

However, I would like to add that I think it is more important that the weekly payment is chosen in such a way that both sides are satisfied - forum users and the operator. If a higher total amount means that the campaign is discontinued after a few weeks (because it is no longer financially attractive for the operator), I would rather advise a lower payment.

A signature campaign is meant to be an advert that helps to promote a product/service to its targeted audience, right? And the longer an adverts stays active, the more its likely to get more conversion (i.e sales) within it's community of potential customers, right? Which in the case of this forum, the Casinos/Mixers are the products, and likewise we forum members, it's targeted audience, right? So in regards to this, I will say that if the management of Sinbad has seen that by increasing the pay rate of this campaign to $250/week would prevent them from running a long-lasting campaign, then for me, I will rather go for they paying $200/week, but if only that will be more comfortable with the management team, because the truth of the matter is that even if a new mixer comes into the forum and promise to pay $500/week, there will always be some people who will still want to hit the maximum post limit to get the full pay. But in this case, in as much as the management team is okay with any pay rate, I am definitely okay with it too, because they are the ones spending, whereas, I'm just a tool helping them to get more conversion (i.e sales) by promoting their  product/services.


NOTE: A moderate pay with a long-lasting campaign is far better than a huge pay with a short time frame. Thank you

Another secret: People always give a top priority to a product/services that is actively running a signature campaign on this forum compared to its competitors off the forum, as they always believe it's legit & have someone they can always reach out to when they have an issue.

[SamReomo]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

I am not considering opinion from average quality posters but posters who do not chase weekly maximum limits, who posts because they shares valuable insights and guidance. I would like to have opinion from current Green Zone, Legendary and many other prominent bitcointalk members.

Please share your thoughts.

Cheers,

If there is any chance of my opinion being recognized then I believe that $250 per week is that best pay rate for good quality posters of the forum. I'm sure that many people will say that increasing the maximum paid posts to 50 would cause more spamming in forum but I don't believe in that assumption because if a campaign is willing to pay such good rates for someone's posts then that user will try his/her best to deliver quality posts only. I don't think that a good member who regularly posts 50-100 posts per week will reduce the quality of the posts he/she creates and I also believe that such payrate would encourage the good quality posters to even improve the quality of the posts that they make.

I know that every member of the forum has a limit on number of posts because sometimes a person gets too busy to create 50 posts a week while other times the same user can create 60+ posts without any issue. There are such posters in this forum who regularly post more than 50 posts per week and they have also maintained the quality of their posts. I believe that users who spend more than 4 hours per day on forum can easily create 50+ posts because they always try their best to contribute to the forum and they don't really care much about the maximum 25 paid posts limit that most of the campaigns offer. Those users love to create more than 25 posts and if they get paid for the extra posts then that would definitely encourage them to further enhance their posts.

I also believe that there are some members who may prefer 40 posts and $200 a week option but those users should also keep in mind that if they have chance to get paid $250 for their 50 posts then why go with 40 posts and $200 option? I know that the question may have some criticism but those people should keep in their minds that it's not necessary to create 50 posts at all, but if you can get paid for 50 posts then why prefer lower option? I believe that the members who create less than 25 posts will also be happy if sometimes they can create a few more posts and earn for those posts as well.

Finally, I also believe that it's the first time that a manager is taking such a step to appreciate more than 25 or 35 posts of the members because in past none of the managers have taken any step in that direction. I truly appreciate the efforts of Royse for asking the opinion of the forum members regarding this matter and I'm very sure that all members will appreciate the efforts of Royse for implementing something like this in his campaigns.

[rachael9385]

Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

I am not considering opinion from average quality posters but posters who do not chase weekly maximum limits, who posts because they shares valuable insights and guidance. I would like to have opinion from current Green Zone, Legendary and many other prominent bitcointalk members.

Please share your thoughts.

Cheers,

If there is any chance of my opinion being recognized then I believe that $250 per week is that best pay rate for good quality posters of the forum. I'm sure that many people will say that increasing the maximum paid posts to 50 would cause more spamming in forum but I don't believe in that assumption because if a campaign is willing to pay such good rates for someone's posts then that user will try his/her best to deliver quality posts only. I don't think that a good member who regularly posts 50-100 posts per week will reduce the quality of the posts he/she creates and I also believe that such payrate would encourage the good quality posters to even improve the quality of the posts that they make.

I know that every member of the forum has a limit on number of posts because sometimes a person gets too busy to create 50 posts a week while other times the same user can create 60+ posts without any issue. There are such posters in this forum who regularly post more than 50 posts per week and they have also maintained the quality of their posts. I believe that users who spend more than 4 hours per day on forum can easily create 50+ posts because they always try their best to contribute to the forum and they don't really care much about the maximum 25 paid posts limit that most of the campaigns offer. Those users love to create more than 25 posts and if they get paid for the extra posts then that would definitely encourage them to further enhance their posts.

Well $250 a week is not a big money for those who lives in US or other country that's uses dollars too, but is a big money to those who lives in some part of Africa and other currency's that has no value like the naira for instance, making 50 post per week is not easy for those who wake up one day and bought a Bitcointalk account without passing some text like making good post up to 30 to 40 per week.
Besides no participants of the champagne should complain because I believe before they applied they most have read the rules about the champagne and the total numbers of posts per week, 50 post per week is not a big deal I say again is just for you to be posting 10 thing per day and I believe by 5 to 6 days one might have finished he's or her work and if you like to pursue bonus then you can try.

[Gladitorcomeback]

If we check out spreadsheet then average posts of the green zone members are 35-50 and some user have also made century while other then green users average posts are 30 and only two members posts 60. from above data It is clear that most of the Member will choose 40 but with change rate mind can also be changed. I will suggest 50 posts because those users given full time to Bitcointalk deserve to get 250$ and also by choosing 250$(50 posts), there will no loss to 40 post lover because they will still recieve same reward according to their posts quantity but if choose 40 then there is 50$ loss to users having habit of 50+ post in a week.

If i am not wrong then Sinbad and Mixero will be high paying mixer project in case if 250$ with 50 post suggestions become final. This action will also help Sinbad to be advertised by Top active users of this forum.

[Wind_FURY]

Current balance: 0.22264179 BTC (The balance is enough to cover more than one week)

Once there are refill, I will update.

Wallet refilled.
Current balance: 0.35137179 BTC

We will have a new payroll structure from next week. I will announce it in the next few days.
In summary, Green Zone will be removed and Merit Rank will be introduced.


Two parallel questions to get community feedback.
- Maximum 50 posts per week is good enough or 40 per week is better?
- Would you like to have $250 or $200 per week?

I am not considering opinion from average quality posters but posters who do not chase weekly maximum limits, who posts because they shares valuable insights and guidance. I would like to have opinion from current Green Zone, Legendary and many other prominent bitcointalk members.

Please share your thoughts.

Cheers,

It's probably better to make it "by invitation" only, just like your Green Zone system. Perhaps invite the high-quality posters who also happen to go consistently over the 25-post limit?

It would maintain the quality of the campaign, and give added incentives to those people who truly deseve it.