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When you have a 30% discount without any specific reason and if you go with a change of color, it seems to me that their sale is not going very well - which is actually good news, because it would mean that most people realize the risk they're taking if they buy this device.
I wouldn't take their HW even in case they decide to share it completely free of charge - let Pascal take these colored HW, make himself a necklace, and try to make a promotion like that👎
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July 20, 2023, 04:20:50 PM |
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I understand that customization is good, but the main emphasis in HW devices should be on the protection and security of funds (as well as personal data) of customers, and not just this pink and glamorous husk. You are forgetting their slogan that they have been hacked 0 times and that they are brilliantly secure. What more do you want? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I have doubts about the demand for color ledger devices, because they have an indefinite (I don’t know when this promotion will end) 30% discount. Maybe sales aren't going so well. The picture you posted says the discount is valid until they run out of those colored devices. They seem to be making storage space for other gadgets or trying to save a sinking ship.
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July 21, 2023, 09:21:45 AM |
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I understand that customization is good, but the main emphasis in HW devices should be on the protection and security of funds (as well as personal data) of customers, and not just this pink and glamorous husk. You are forgetting their slogan that they have been hacked 0 times and that they are brilliantly secure. What more do you want? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Purely technically, this is true and ledger wallets has not been hacked until now (except for the participants of the bounty program). But you and I know about their past troubles, moreover, it happened more than once. Just under their slogan there should be a postscript in small print: "this doesn't apply to cases where the ledger had its security system hacked 2 times, the customer database was stolen and we are still brilliantly protected, despite the statements of the haters from the bitcointalk!". ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I have doubts about the demand for color ledger devices, because they have an indefinite (I don’t know when this promotion will end) 30% discount. Maybe sales aren't going so well. The picture you posted says the discount is valid until they run out of those colored devices. They seem to be making storage space for other gadgets or trying to save a sinking ship. If the ledger had not tried to get rid of colored devices faster, they would not have made a rather solid discount of 30%, and also with free shipping in the case of one of the wallets. Well, the text from the picture that you paid attention to speaks for itself. Either colored cases are of little interest to anyone and few people buy it, or they are trying to get rid of old trash. As for the drop in their sales, perhaps their last epic fail is the reason for this and the ledger is trying to earn at least something in this way. It is possible. Any company wants to constantly make a profit, moreover, increase turnover and continue global expansion, but the problem is that the market is not unlimited. In this regard, the company's profit could have fallen against the background of previous years, although it still remains significant, but this may not seem enough to managers, which prompts them to come up with similar stocks with colored cases. These are just my speculations.
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July 21, 2023, 03:59:05 PM |
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Purely technically, this is true and ledger wallets has not been hacked until now (except for the participants of the bounty program). But you and I know about their past troubles, moreover, it happened more than once. Just under their slogan there should be a postscript in small print: "this doesn't apply to cases where the ledger had its security system hacked 2 times, the customer database was stolen and we are still brilliantly protected, despite the statements of the haters from the bitcointalk!". ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) To be fair, Ledger's database got hacked once. It was their responsibility to safeguard the data on their servers, and they failed to do that. The second hack that occurred around the same time and subsequent leak was that of Shopify - their e-commerce partner. For the end-user who gets their data stolen, it doesn't matter how it happened. But it's still important to differentiate the two.
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I have doubts about the demand for color ledger devices, because they have an indefinite (I don’t know when this promotion will end) 30% discount. Maybe sales aren't going so well.
Pathetic circus promotion. This sounds to me like they are announcing that ledger is going to be Gone For Good soon, so ''better'' buy them all now because you won't be able to do it tomorrow ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Maybe they should go in front of local circus show in France and try to offer their ''brilliantly secure'' devices to clowns and circus guests. Ledger - Gone For Good. Ledger are turning in to a meme at this point.
They have been meme wallet for some time, since all they focus is shitcoins and tokens.
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I am sure the interest for new Ledger hardware wallets are at an all-time minimum and they only have themselves to blame for that. Still, they have introduced a new BTC orange case for their Nano S Plus, and they have a 30% discount on that particular variant. The code that needs to be entered for that is 'GONESOON'. They choose a funny code which could be symbolic for their demise. The discount takes the price down from €79 to €55.30. Anyone considering purchasing a Ledger wallet nowadays should think twice. The thread Ledger Recovery - Send your (encrypted) recovery phrase to 3rd parties entities should be the first thing you read.
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I am sure the interest for new Ledger hardware wallets are at an all-time minimum and they only have themselves to blame for that.
And who, if not they themselves, undermined their trust and reputation? Also, the closest competitor has released a new model (Trezor Safe 3), which will certainly become more popular than the ledger devices of the same price level. Still, they have introduced a new BTC orange case for their Nano S Plus, and they have a 30% discount on that particular variant. The code that needs to be entered for that is 'GONESOON'. They choose a funny code which could be symbolic for their demise. The discount takes the price down from €79 to €55.30.
The 30% discount applies not only to the “orange case”, but to all Nano S Plus in any color case (using this funny code). And also, ledger painted the stainless bracket on Nano S Plus (that’s it, now all buyers will definitely run to them). It would be interesting to know what the code word symbolizes in this case. Doesn't ' GONESOON' directly refer to the contents of their client's cryptowallets? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) You forgot to add one more moment dedicated to this event. Ledger is trying to atone for his sins in this way? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) It would be better if they used the fees donates to “ enabling them to build, secure, test, and review” their “ products”. Only “victims” of marketing tricks will become buyers of their hardware wallets.
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Save 30% with a coupon code. Risk 100% with key extraction code.
I wouldn't use a Ledger even if they paid me.
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And who, if not they themselves, undermined their trust and reputation? I am guessing this is your way of agreeing with my statement because that's what I sad as well. The 30% discount applies not only to the “orange case”, but to all Nano S Plus in any color case Actually, it's exclusive for the new orange case Ledger. I tried applying the code in their shop to a different case after seeing your post but it doesn't work. Also, if you look carefully in the shop, the 30% off tag is only present next to the orange type, not the other versions. You forgot to add one more moment dedicated to this event. Yeah, you are right. Thanks for the reminder.
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The 30% discount applies not only to the “orange case”, but to all Nano S Plus in any color case Actually, it's exclusive for the new orange case Ledger. I tried applying the code in their shop to a different case after seeing your post but it doesn't work. Also, if you look carefully in the shop, the 30% off tag is only present next to the orange type, not the other versions. You are absolutely right. I checked on their website and made sure that the 30% discount only applies to the device in the orange case. If you enter code 'GONESOON' in the cart when selecting hardware wallet in a case of a different color, it gives an error. The discount code works only in one case - orange. Even in the pictures there is a mention of a discount only on the orange case. In other colors, like in the red picture, -30% there is no text. I was already wondering if Ledger was deceiving us again, but as it turned out, in terms of discounts and conditions on their website, all the information was correct. It seems that the orange case is not at all interesting to buyers, it sells worse and the manufacturer has to get rid of it with the help of similar discount promotions. Note to hardware wallet manufacturers: never release a device in an orange case.
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It seems that the orange case is not at all interesting to buyers, it sells worse and the manufacturer has to get rid of it with the help of similar discount promotions. Actually, I think it's a brand new colour that they just added a few days ago and are now promoting it in this way. I don't like it either. It's to orangy (yeap orangy) in my opinion. I am basing this only on the colours provided on their shop. But if I compare the orange they choose to the one on the back cover of the Bitcoin-only Trezor Safe 3, the Trezor looks better.
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What a cheap pathetic marketing trick from ledger ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) They saw Trezor selling out all their limited Bitcoin-only edition of new Trezor 3 Safe wallet, so they quickly jumped in to fill the ''gap'' with orange ledger Titanic discounts. But on positive side they are at least sending $5 to bitcoin developers.
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But on positive side they are at least sending $5 to bitcoin developers. The discount lasts until the end of October. It's going to be interesting to follow the brink blog to see if they make a new post announcing how much money they got from Ledger. Ledger won't hesitate to tell us about it, of course. After that, it will be easy to see if the marketing trick worked or not. If they can't empty their stocks with a 30% discount, it's a huge sign that customers are turning their backs on Ledger and going elsewhere.
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Ledger is again giving away free bitcoin for referring someone to purchase one of their hardware wallets. The offer is available until 29 January. They give the person who referred someone else $10 in BTC, while the new customer receives a $20 bitcoin voucher. According to what they wrote in the promo email, they have already given away almost $200k in these promo events they held in the past. If it's true, they are still generating user interest despite all the mistakes they have made in the past.
It would be interesting to see how many people have signed up for their Ledger Recover vulnerability feature and how much money it has brought them.
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Ledger is again giving away free bitcoin for referring someone to purchase one of their hardware wallets. The offer is available until 29 January. They give the person who referred someone else $10 in BTC, while the new customer receives a $20 bitcoin voucher. According to what they wrote in the promo email, they have already given away almost $200k in these promo events they held in the past. If it's true, they are still generating user interest despite all the mistakes they have made in the past.
Selfish financial interest, even as insignificant as $10, will encourage to recommend and advertise Ledger. Even their past fuckups won't stop this. Referral programs, on the one hand, are good because they allow to receive a reward for recommending a good product, but at the same time, the desire to earn extra money creates the desire to offer something that is far from the best (a safe wallet for storing crypto assets) for the sake of obtaining material benefits. It would be interesting to see how many people have signed up for their Ledger Recover vulnerability feature and how much money it has brought them.
Perhaps Ledger will share this information (as far as it is objective) in the future using it for advertising purposes. If there are many users of Ledger Recover service, then this can motivate others to use it too. But the financial aspects (the real ones) are unlikely to be disclosed.
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while the new customer receives a $20 bitcoin voucher.
IIRC, in the past it required them to redeem it in one of their third-party platforms and a lot of users faced various types of issues, so hopefully it'd be different this time. - BTW, given the fact that they've doubled the reward for their new customers, I think they're quite desperate now!
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IIRC, in the past it required them to redeem it in one of their third-party platforms and a lot of users faced various types of issues, so hopefully it'd be different this time. It might be something similar this time as well. To get your BTC, the new customer will have to obtain a code from a gift card that Ledger ships together with the device. That code will have to be redeemed in their Refer a Friend section in Ledger Live. I am looking at the detailed instructions as I am writing this. It says, that the gift card will be in 'pending mode' for 30 days, and only after that period expires will it be possible to claim the free gift. The email doesn't mention, though, if the BTC is connected to one of their partner swap services/exchanges, etc.
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I have no doubt at all that there are a lot of people who are ready to advertise Ledger if it means they will earn $10 or $20, because unfortunately for some it is a significant amount of money. If someone manages to get only 5 referrals, that's already a solid salary in some third world countries.
As for the information about how much money they have already distributed in that way, I would not take it as something serious, because considering the honesty in that company, any information that appears is either incorrect or exaggerated. Fortunately, we are not in 2017 anymore and we have a large selection of HW on the market, the dust you will get is simply not worth your security and privacy.
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The email doesn't mention, though, if the BTC is connected to one of their partner swap services/exchanges, etc.
Of course it doesn't. Why would they bother to mention a major detail like that when they've already established a precedent of omitting even more important, fundamental details about how their devices work? Fuck them and the diseased horse they rode in on, their partners, and I hope the company is headed toward insolvency (though there's no chance in hell they would give so much as a hint of that and would only announce it after all the bankruptcy paperwork was filed). And yeah, they probably are getting pretty desperate--not for growth, but to get back to the pre-Recovery-announcement sales figures, which I assume were higher than they are now given how many very pissed off people I've seen posting here and on reddit. Eh. They get what they deserve.
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Of course it doesn't. Why would they bother to mention a major detail like that when they've already established a precedent of omitting even more important, fundamental details about how their devices work? Fuck them and the diseased horse they rode in on, their partners, and I hope the company is headed toward insolvency (though there's no chance in hell they would give so much as a hint of that and would only announce it after all the bankruptcy paperwork was filed).
Don't rush to bury this sick horse. This company has been staying afloat for quite a long time despite the numerous troubles they have subjected their customers to. They have a very sly marketing department that can sell any trash. So, I assume that they are not in danger of bankruptcy. For now. This company will figure out something to extract profits from its naive users. And yeah, they probably are getting pretty desperate--not for growth, but to get back to the pre-Recovery-announcement sales figures, which I assume were higher than they are now given how many very pissed off people I've seen posting here and on reddit. Eh. They get what they deserve.
Posts here and on reddit are not an objective assessment of the number of dissatisfied ledger users. I am sure that many more simpletons and newbies will buy their devices thanks to marketing tricks. Even thanks to that referral program. It’s only us who remember about the ledger’s screwups, because it happened almost before our eyes and this is not the first time we are discussing this, so we won’t forget about it. Newcomers to the cryptoindustry have passed or will pass by these news and discussions, which is why they will not know what kind of shit they got themselves into with the purchase of ledger's hardware wallets.
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