Not Your Keys Not your Coins Banner Needed Everywhere?

[Z-tight]

I have a wild suggestion i don't know how it might sound. How about soliciting to all campaigns on the forum to have it added to their avatar design that way it will capture the attention of forum users  and newbies as it will be seen on regular base so long the user visits the forum.

That suggestion will not work, campaigns are here in the forum to run their own business and advertisement, and that is what they are going to use their signature and avatar designs for and not for something like this, if there is going to be a not your keys not your coins banner it will have to come through the forum administrator and not through external signature campaigns; the forum has it already as a factoid as i believe i have seen it sometime, if a banner will be added Theymos will have to add it himself.

[NotATether]

This is a valid point of concern because when exchanges are sinking they take down their investors funds with them. Having said that, will theymos allow for the banner display to happen?

I cannot see him adding a not your keys not your coins banner (especially for free) as a warning no matter how much momentum the campaign gathers. Even paid banner advertising was discontinued therefore if financial gain or placement of free public announcement for benefit of the community will not sway his opinion, then what will?



Is something like this what you mean?

I believe Not Your Keys Not Your Coins is even more important right now than something like, say, my own activist campaign considering that a lot of people are going to lose money if they do not see this information very clearly.

I see two options:

1: Put it in the News banner. I don't think you can put custom text in the blue bar, and a factoid is inappropriate for something as important as this.
2: Make a thread in Important Announcements board. Not about FTX but about not your keys, not your coins, and reference Celsius and FTX as recent examples. The last announcement was made in 2018 related to Electrum vulnerabilities, when a lot of people were at risk of losing their money too. So I think it's wholly appropriate.

2 is more advantageous, as you can lobby any global moderator or VIP to post it there without bothering theymos.

[KingsDen]

Speaking from my own perception, I can say that not up to 10% of the people whose coins are on exchanges are unaware of the Not your Keys Not your Coin slogan. Majority of the people know about the risk of keeping coins in the exchange but yet go ahead to keep it.

Myself I know the risk of keeping coins on exchange and yet I have some percentage of my portfolio on an exchange which I cannot move to my wallet for obvious reasons.
We all need to admit that this industry is so risky and as such we should take risks we can be able to withstand the shock.

We are in the bear market, even if I start a paid campaign for 8 weeks,  preaching to newbies to buy now, majority will not buy now and my campaign will not stop the next set of newbies who are waiting to buy when bitcoin gets to $60k.

We should continue to do our best in spreading the news, the importance if having our coins secured with our keys, but we shouldn't over push it to be an elongated FUD which will cause more harm to the bleeding industry.

[philipma1957]

Changed my signature.

will move it around bit.

I will ask for some suggestions as to how to dress it up,

 but I have 40k posts so it will be seen around the forum.


I am telling you to hold the btc in a safe place
Dca some
and do not buy too much.
pretty much covers the bases.

[BlackBoss_]

Changed my signature.

It is simple and neat.

I am telling you to hold the btc in a safe place

Where is a safe place to hold BTC?

Not exchanges
Not DeFi platforms

I learn to get non custodial to use for newbies from https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet?step=5&platform=windows&user=beginner&important=control,fees&features=bech32

I choose Segwit address type (Bech32) in Feature, Control and Fee in Criteria; and User type as New.

Dca some
and do not buy too much.
pretty much covers the bases.

I learn to DCA from https://dcabtc.com/

[harapan]

I think I said this few days back, warnings should be given to those making use of Binance, Do they also think they are not part of all this drama? Not now but soonest. I've seen people using the exchange making mockery of others immediately after the FTX setback.
It can also be included in your personal text, clearly bolded for anyone to see.
I don't blame people, it is just that they are lazy or they find studying wallet's as studying science?
It will be better they remove those coin's now, to avoid naggings worse than a midwife when it finally happens

[aysg76]

Agree on this part that there can be an warning or say more of advice to the members through these banners on the important announcement section or as a pop up when you login on the forum explaining them the potential damage of holding your funds over these exchanges that can help them through understanding that if they are not in possession of their keys they don't have control over the funds.

But there's already a suggestion @theymos here    in which he has said about a thread in Important announcement section which would be cool to have but rest will be dependent on people as if they are interested in it or still prefer the old way of losing funds.

The risk of holding your coins over these exchanges is well known moreover you have to go through KYC norms also exposing your personal information to them which is later on sold on dark web so ending up your privacy as well so why are we still using up them to hold our coins with their custody?

[Doan9269]

Title says it all, with yet another disaster going on with the exchanges imploding should there be a constant banner someplace that just keeps the NYKNYC message up?
Across the top between where it says Bitcoin Forum on the left and simple machines forum on the right just the Not Your Keys Not your Coins text up there.

Just in addition to this, I will like to bring up a suggestion that if we can maintain this kind of information display only to the low ranking members which starts from newbie rank to member rank since they are the ones most likely the target for this initiative and as we all know that newbies as well are the ones mostly coming up with questions or issues related to hack or been scammed, i think a full member rank upwards should have build a credible resource enough to understand the difference with not your keys not your coins within thier stay on the forum.

[philipma1957]

Changed my signature.

It is simple and neat.

I am telling you to hold the btc in a safe place

Where is a safe place to hold BTC?

Not exchanges
Not DeFi platforms

I learn to get non custodial to use for newbies from https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet?step=5&platform=windows&user=beginner&important=control,fees&features=bech32

I choose Segwit address type (Bech32) in Feature, Control and Fee in Criteria; and User type as New.

Dca some
and do not buy too much.
pretty much covers the bases.

I learn to DCA from https://dcabtc.com/

USE a few wallets like the core or a trezor

[BlackBoss_]

Here we go with theymos' important reminder

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts.

The admin watched our discussions and accept to make the important reminder for community.

[General] Bitcoin Wallets - Which, what, why? is another topic about Bitcoin wallet.

[aysg76]

Here we go with theymos' important reminder

And that's the best part that now we have new announcement for the members which they can see and go through brief post on how they can avoid losing funds by keeping them on exchange.

As you see @theymos was keeping an eye on the discussion and also said in his recent post that recent meltdown of FTX also make him realise the importance of guiding members towards it.

[krishnaverma]

You keep that warning message but that will have no impact. People will do anyway what they are already doing.

Do you think people are unaware about the incidences related to exchange issues where people lost their coins and hard earned money? They are already aware of all this yet they choose to ignore and live without giving any tension of what will happen in future. Most of the people are lazy with finances and looking for shortcuts. They buy some random coin on their crypto exchange and hope for it to become 100 times in some time. They do not care about safety of the coins, they just leave it on the exchange as they are lazy.

[Asiska02]

If a person checks the box that he has read all the rules and warnings of the forum, everything that happens to him in the future lies entirely on his shoulders. Of course, it is difficult for a beginner to learn this rule from the first steps, but if the forum is "mother," then it is convenient to teach such warnings with mother's milk.

This is a welcome addition to what the OP requested, but merely checking the box indicating that one has read the forum rules does not guarantee that one has actually done so. They can be in a haste or a hurry to get right into the forum's main activity without fully comprehending the rules. This is similar to fast searching for information online and being asked to select a box to proceed; one will quickly check the box without carefully reading what it actually means until they later find a mistake or some restrictions that they didn't expect to see.

Since a beginner cannot learn it from the very beginning, it is still likely that they will become a victim of this while they are still learning. The forum can only provide a disclaimer regarding it; nonetheless, the forum lacks the ability to control it completely in order to prevent people from engaging in such action.

I have a wild suggestion i don't know how it might sound. How about soliciting to all campaigns on the forum to have it added to their avatar design that way it will capture the attention of forum users  and newbies as it will be seen on regular base so long the user visits the forum.

Good concept, but not every forum user wears a campaign signature. Even if they have the necessary qualifications to join a campaign, some people are only here to learn and share knowledge. I simply hope they can display it without asking them for it. However, it is still reasonable for individuals who wear campaign adverts to showcase it. The finest idea so far is to have it shown in several parts throughout the forum.

[philipma1957]

If a person checks the box that he has read all the rules and warnings of the forum, everything that happens to him in the future lies entirely on his shoulders. Of course, it is difficult for a beginner to learn this rule from the first steps, but if the forum is "mother," then it is convenient to teach such warnings with mother's milk.

This is a welcome addition to what the OP requested, but merely checking the box indicating that one has read the forum rules does not guarantee that one has actually done so. They can be in a haste or a hurry to get right into the forum's main activity without fully comprehending the rules. This is similar to fast searching for information online and being asked to select a box to proceed; one will quickly check the box without carefully reading what it actually means until they later find a mistake or some restrictions that they didn't expect to see.

Since a beginner cannot learn it from the very beginning, it is still likely that they will become a victim of this while they are still learning. The forum can only provide a disclaimer regarding it; nonetheless, the forum lacks the ability to control it completely in order to prevent people from engaging in such action.

I have a wild suggestion i don't know how it might sound. How about soliciting to all campaigns on the forum to have it added to their avatar design that way it will capture the attention of forum users  and newbies as it will be seen on regular base so long the user visits the forum.

Good concept, but not every forum user wears a campaign signature. Even if they have the necessary qualifications to join a campaign, some people are only here to learn and share knowledge. I simply hope they can display it without asking them for it. However, it is still reasonable for individuals who wear campaign adverts to showcase it. The finest idea so far is to have it shown in several parts throughout the forum.

I could try to add theymos warning to my signature.


Edit :

I changed signature again

A direct link to theymos post. So with over 40000 posts by me it will let people see it in a lot of places.

I encourage any one that is not doing a paid signature to do that.

Got an improved signature with theymos link. took me time to design and code something simple but I hope good.

[PrivacyG]

What if, at least temporarily, the default signature on the forum was set to show a 'Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins' informational and educational banner?  It sounds to me like a great way to advertise this behavior and gain the most attention.  Especially for Newbies who may be confused as to why their posts have a signature they never chose to have.  Maybe that is a better incentive to educate themselves about the problem.

Or is it possible to show this banner under every post submitted by users who do not currently have a signature?  The signature changes if the user sets anything other than nothing.  If an user clears their signature text, it goes back to advertising Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

[krishnaverma]

What if, at least temporarily, the default signature on the forum was set to show a 'Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins' informational and educational banner?  It sounds to me like a great way to advertise this behavior and gain the most attention.  Especially for Newbies who may be confused as to why their posts have a signature they never chose to have.  Maybe that is a better incentive to educate themselves about the problem.

Or is it possible to show this banner under every post submitted by users who do not currently have a signature?  The signature changes if the user sets anything other than nothing.  If an user clears their signature text, it goes back to advertising Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

The forum admin already added the reminder. So, what are you suggesting regarding the signature might not be needed now. Overdoing this or displaying this everywhere might affect user experience. The focus should be on conveying the message to those who are keeping lot of funds in their exchange so that they can move it from their to hardware wallets. This will ensure safety of their funds and thus proper growth of crypto community also.

I earlier said that this will have no impact but looks like the mods think otherwise. Nice to see that the voice of a normal member is also heard on this forum and necessary changes are made based on the suggestions being made.

[UmerIdrees]

What if, at least temporarily, the default signature on the forum was set to show a 'Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins' informational and educational banner?  It sounds to me like a great way to advertise this behavior and gain the most attention.  Especially for Newbies who may be confused as to why their posts have a signature they never chose to have.  Maybe that is a better incentive to educate themselves about the problem.

Or is it possible to show this banner under every post submitted by users who do not currently have a signature?  The signature changes if the user sets anything other than nothing.  If an user clears their signature text, it goes back to advertising Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins.

-
Regards,
PrivacyG

The forum admin already added the reminder. So, what are you suggesting regarding the signature might not be needed now. Overdoing this or displaying this everywhere might affect user experience. The focus should be on conveying the message to those who are keeping lot of funds in their exchange so that they can move it from their to hardware wallets. This will ensure safety of their funds and thus proper growth of crypto community also.

I earlier said that this will have no impact but looks like the mods think otherwise. Nice to see that the voice of a normal member is also heard on this forum and necessary changes are made based on the suggestions being made.

When the OP started this thread on 12 November, at that time there was no reminder/news which appeared on the home page of this forum.
Later on November 15th we saw this News Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts on the main page.
Adding a signature can be a good idea too as the members who aren't wearing any campaign signatures can volunteer to wear those "Not your keys, not your coins" signatures.

[UserU]

Sometimes people have to take the L to learn their lesson. No matter how many times the banner gets shown even as a popup, there are those that can't resist the APR or free money by parking their funds at a website they deem "safe".

I was one of those people. The motto never etched in my mindset until that one incident that hit me like a truck, albeit I didn't deposit my entire BTC there. Now my BTC goes straight into the Ledger.

[philipma1957]

Sometimes people have to take the L to learn their lesson. No matter how many times the banner gets shown even as a popup, there are those that can't resist the APR or free money by parking their funds at a website they deem "safe".

I was one of those people. The motto never etched in my mindset until that one incident that hit me like a truck, albeit I didn't deposit my entire BTC there. Now my BTC goes straight into the Ledger.

Yeah I was lucky 45% of my funds were on coinbase.

The rest 55% is on core wallet and trezor.

Now it is more like 6% of my funds are on coinbase. the rest on trezor and core  wallet.

I have to have some funds on coinbase for business. But not 45% of them.

[BlackHatCoiner]

No, it's not needed everywhere, and it's started becoming a little annoying to open up Twitter and see at least one tweet that emphasizes it. We get it. Stupid / irresponsible people aren't going to understand it either way.

What if, at least temporarily, the default signature on the forum was set to show a 'Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins' informational and educational banner?

Do you seriously want to see newbies complaining about their exchange's bankruptcy with an ironic "not your keys, not your coins" followed?