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November 15, 2022, 06:27:29 AM |
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EDIT: All topics mentioned in the OP belonging to me have been moved to the gambling discussion board, i will still search for others and move them appropriately.
This is a quick act and you have done your part to keep the gambling board neet. That is a great job by you. I don't think the board should be restricted to only gamblers, but I agree that if you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't be posting. What I mean is the later. Which means anyone who doesn't understand what they are saying shouldn't be posting in gambling board. I cannot suggest that people be restricted from a particular board. What I mean that a non gambler should on their own avoid gambling boards because they may not be able to engage in the conversations there. Technically this thread doesn't belong in gambling as well. Maybe Meta or gambling discussion.
It may sooth in Meta or gambling discussion. But I chose to keep it where the problem is discovered. Many people hardly visit Meta. My quest is to sanitize gambling board, that's why I kept it here. If the moderators feel here is not the appropriate place, they can move it to the appropriate board. This could be an insult to the moderators such as teaching them what to do;they definitely know their jobs for years.
English is not the native language of many of us. I don't know how you understood this to be an insult to moderators. I didn't say moderators are lazy, I said they may be tired. Which means tired of doing same thing everyday which is caused by our carelessness.
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November 15, 2022, 06:45:00 AM |
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I personally feel topics like that needs to be discussed and that it should be posted in the gambling discussion section, but the moderators of that section are deleting those kind of posts in the gambling discussion section, so that is why people are posting it in the gambling section. I also think... people who wants to discuss gambling topics like that.. will go to a gambling related section of the forum and not to a meta or general section... where everything else is discussed. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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November 15, 2022, 07:03:14 AM |
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I partially disagree with you, even your post of complaint shouldn't have been here if the same penalties should be meted out on these posts. There can't be perfection here, but it would still be good for posters to maintain any gambling-related posting in the 'Gambling Discussion' area, while a dedicated discussion about casinos/companies should be posted under their threads in the 'Gambling' area. This will limit mistakes, but we should not be deprived of anything related to gambling as I've grown to like them.
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November 15, 2022, 07:05:16 AM |
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-snip- You need to be a real gambler to post here. This board is like bitcoin technical board where people that doesn't know bitcoin technical cannot post.
Who can indicate a person is a real gambler? technical members sometimes drop by here (even if he's not a gambler) at the request of other members to help sort out "probably fair" issues on certain platforms that have been the subject of much debate, especially since it's their ANN thread. -snip- What I mean that a non gambler should on their own avoid gambling boards because they may not be able to engage in the conversations there.
I can't even tell the difference between people who are only involved in sports discussion are bettors or are just passionate about sports talk. However those topics are on the gambling board.
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November 15, 2022, 08:12:40 AM |
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I have seen also some quiet numbers of such topics over here and I see no reason calling them out since there a button for reporting such topics to the moderator, so as to move them to the appropriate section which is the gambling discussion. Most times people post all of those topics ignorantly with paying attention to them or knowing the right place to post them and most times this mistakes are done by less ranked memmebers who obviously are still seeking their ways round the forum and all we need to do is possibly point it out to them and direct the topic to the right thread.
Most times I feel we don't encourage the new members rightly because from our actions, we tend to treat the low ranked memmebers of the forum as if they automatically ought to know everything at once which isn't right.
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November 15, 2022, 09:05:34 AM |
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Definitely, OP, use the report function. It's easier and works better than anything else. Threads like these only attract the very users you're complaining about (also I recommend OP self moderates and help clean up the forum by deleting spam). I do feel reporting, over time, improves the quality of posts from poster. Forcing them to put in more effort. I don't know if that's good in the long run, they're essentially still garbage posts with little to no value to the gambling subforum, just with better spelling and better-constructed sentences... Who can indicate a person is a real gambler? technical members sometimes drop by here (even if he's not a gambler) at the request of other members to help sort out "probably fair" issues on certain platforms that have been the subject of much debate, especially since it's their ANN thread.
This is the easiest thing in the world to tell on this forum. Real gamblers post bets. Know the odds, know the markets. It's not even about showing off as a lot of people hide their bet amounts (I do myself). If it's technical assistance as you mention or ANN thread owners, then they're gambling industry people (trust me, that means they were gamblers at one point themselves). The vast majority of posts in Gambling Discussion aren't either. I've noticed people now talking about odds and betting but it's pretty clear most are just parroting or Googling. Most times I feel we don't encourage the new members rightly because from our actions, we tend to treat the low ranked memmebers of the forum as if they automatically ought to know everything at once which isn't right.
Very fair point but it works both ways and you can also easily find the ones who don't want to make an effort. In my self moderated threads I do reach out to new users to talk about why I delete their posts, very, very few respond. They're clearly just there to spam and not interested in contributing.
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November 15, 2022, 10:26:20 AM |
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Gambling board is a board that is highly dedicated to gambling. It is a board where people that are not gamblers cannot post because they won't understand the jargon of gambling. You need to be a real gambler to post here. This board is like bitcoin technical board where people that doesn't know bitcoin technical cannot post. I think the technical discussion of bitcoin should not be compared with the discussion of gambling. there is a dedicated section for creating ANN Thread of gambling sites and section for Discussion about gambling, what does it mean to discuss about gambling? in my opinion discussing about gambling is simply talking about everything that has to do with gambling, these topics you mentioned are talking about gambling, you can see they are talking about gambling, i don't know what you want to be discussed in the gambling section? because in the gambling section there is a discussion about tennis, UFC, soccer (almost all major leagues are discussed), NBA and many things, but it is also necessary to talk about people who win lottery and lose everything, people addicted to gambling ... so these topics you posted have nothing wrong in my opinion What is supposed to be in this board is the ANN thread of casinos and serious gambling matters. But recently I have been seeing gambling discussion topics being created in the gambling board. Moderators may be tired of moving these topics. you just need to click the report button until the post is removed or you can also PM the person who created the Thread to move it to the correct section, I think it costs nothing to do that. you can start by send PM to all members who created these threads to move them to the correct section, of course if the moderators don't move the thread early I have listed below some topics in the first page of gambling board that are supposed to be gambling discussion. If you see such topics we can call them out in this thread to see if they belong here or not. I have seen also some quiet numbers of such topics over here and I see no reason calling them out since there a button for reporting such topics to the moderator, so as to move them to the appropriate section which is the gambling discussion. Most times people post all of those topics ignorantly with paying attention to them or knowing the right place to post them and most times this mistakes are done by less ranked memmebers who obviously are still seeking their ways round the forum and all we need to do is possibly point it out to them and direct the topic to the right thread.
Most times I feel we don't encourage the new members rightly because from our actions, we tend to treat the low ranked memmebers of the forum as if they automatically ought to know everything at once which isn't right. most people on the forum still fool themselves into thinking that just because a person is a newbie then they don't know anything, but they forget that this classification is only here on the forum and a person can be a professional gambling and come on this forum to be a newbie, but there will be people who think he knows nothing about gambling. Anyway this is a misunderstanding problem that many people have had.
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November 15, 2022, 11:44:40 AM |
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I disagree with OP. Some forum users may be former gamblers in the past. And now they want to protect other players from their mistakes. As we know, gambling is for fun and relaxation. But for many people it becomes the meaning of life and destroys the person's personality afterwards. I think every user should be able to warn the gambler about the risks in the casino.
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November 15, 2022, 11:55:30 AM |
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I can say the forum is very large enough and many people don't know where some post are belong to and this required them to go lot of search. Although I found such post all I do is reply to let them know such post doesn't belong the place they are being posted, for instance a newbies who wants to lodge a complainant about gambling site might not know it belongs to discussion section.
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November 15, 2022, 12:39:42 PM |
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You can use the report button for each of those threads so that they will be moved to the Gambling Discussion. Or if they won't be moved there, then the mods will just have to lock those threads and they will no longer be accessible. I don't think they're tired, it's just that there could be tons of reports that they're catering and all of it are on the queue. It just funny to see a user who're registered since 2014 still doesn't know what is report to moderator ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) also this topic shouldn't belong to Gambling board since it's actually discuss about the forum, so it should be moved to Meta section. It would be make sense if the @OP create this thread because he have reported those thread but the moderator still not move it to Gambling discussion. As I checked, the other 3 threads has been moved to gambling discussion and the rest I already report to moderator.
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November 15, 2022, 02:13:58 PM |
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Sometimes those thread starter actually knows on what board does their topic belongs to, since it will be moved by mods anyway later on so its okay for them to do it. Some of them just post on particular board just to make sure that more people will see it other than on other board.
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November 15, 2022, 05:17:49 PM |
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As what I can understand in your point is that you want people to post a thread that is not an announcement thread in the gambling discussion and the gambling board should only be used to post only ann threads. If that's your point in this post then this thread of yours should also be in gambling discussion and not here which means you also post a thread here that isn't an ann thread. That's just wrong if you can only post here if you are a real gambler then how would someone know you are a real gambler?. You are even registered on this forum than me and yet you still didn't know report to moderator if you found a post that is of low quality or out of topic
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As what I can understand in your point is that you want people to post a thread that is not an announcement thread in the gambling discussion and the gambling board should only be used to post only ann threads. If that's your point in this post then this thread of yours should also be in gambling discussion and not here which means you also post a thread here that isn't an ann thread.
This is a good point and a hilarious way to show the OP that he’s guilty of doing exactly what he’s complaining about. Granted it’s a topic about this forum section, so it makes sense. However, I’m sure others posting threads also believe their thread is applicable to this section. As others have stated, you can report to moderator if it bothers you, but I think it would be a difficult challenge to try and move every topic to it’s proper place if you’re picky about it.
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or simply report the thread and get it moved to gambling discussions board. no offense but I don't think a thread for "calling out" such threads is needed as members can easily report it. now regarding the threads you mentioned, yeah, I agree that they should be in the gambling discussions board, I was gonna report them to be moved but it seems that three of them are already moved there and the other two have been moved to the trashcan.
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It may sooth in Meta or gambling discussion. But I chose to keep it where the problem is discovered. Many people hardly visit Meta. My quest is to sanitize gambling board,
Sorry mate, I don't mean to sound negative or to try to discredit your genuine interest in seeing that things are done right, but honestly, it not your job to sanitize the gambling board or any other board here, maybe wait until you are made a moderator, it is the job of the moderators to see that every topic started on this forum is done in the appropriate board, and if a topic is started in the wrong board and we feel the moderators missed it, it is our job to report such topics to them, and the beautiful thing is that, the user who started the topic won't even know the topic is reported until the topic is moved to where it should be. With the above been said, I think the job here is done, six topics you highlighted, four have been moved to the appropriate board, and two, which seems to me some sort of spammy, I believe have been deleted, so I will suggest you lock this topic, so that spammers do not hijack the thread. Atleast, now, we all know the right board to post our gambling discussion posts, and when we see one here that's not supposed to be here, we now know that the appropriate thing to do is to report it , so kindly lock this thread. My 2 cent.
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This could be an insult to the moderators such as teaching them what to do;they definitely know their jobs for years.
English is not the native language of many of us. I don't know how you understood this to be an insult to moderators. I didn't say moderators are lazy, I said they may be tired. Which means tired of doing same thing everyday which is caused by our carelessness. Yes those words from Yastan in a thread asking to sanitize the gambling section are weird. He shouldn't be disturbed by someone being concerned by the amount of spam here, if he likes this section and interesting discussions about gambling. And he should read those words from the moderator if he's not aware they are tired of shitposters. This would be useless and doesn't tackle the root of the problem. People would just lock the thread and then create a new one once it has hit the 1k pages and lost the signature. It would also be counter-productive on valuable threads that have only lost their signature because of some arbitrary limit. If a thread is useless of spammy then it should be locked or trashed or more importantly if people are being paid en masse to make low quality posts then those campaigns should be punished. I've been saying for years signature campaigns could actually help the quality of discussion if they only paid for good posts but if they're paying for any old shite then of course people will abuse it. Unless you tackle the root of the problem then you're just trying to plug holes on a sinking ship and people will just find a way around some restriction you put upon them.
Only blind people or people of bad faith won't see any problem with the amount of garbage posts because as I've already said in the Meta section, 4 to 5 moderators fully dedicated to the gambling sections are missing to cope with the current amount of spam IMO. A sub section without visible signatures could be an alternate solution though.
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I am happy that this post has gotten result, in less than 24hrs that this thread was created, the few posts I listed have all been moved by either the topic creators or the moderators. A look at the first page of the gambling board now gives joy because it looks decent. Expect one post which is a gambling discussion post. For people saying that this post need to be in gambling discussion or meta: I disagree and I have my reasons. If this post was to be in gambling discussion or Meta, no action would have been taken till now. I have to strategically position the post where the victims of the thread are and where others can quickly see and compare. I have to lock this thread for now because it has served its temporal purpose. I will unlock it when I witness similar situation in the future and will call the posts out in this thread for quick actions.
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