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"I wish I was like you Easily amused Find my nest of salt Everything’s my fault I'll take all the blame Aqua sea foam shame Sunburn freezer burn Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
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I am not suggesting this to be your only option for storing your seed phrase. I just thought it could be helpful to remember your seed phrase, in case you lose your backups.
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November 16, 2022, 09:49:50 PM |
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You can write a song with your seed phrase, but know that the memory can fail someone at anytime, what you think you know might be forgetting, or the brain not able to accurately process the correct words completely. What you can rely on is to just backup the seed phrase offline on paper or metallic sheet. Backup on paper is the easiest while you can have the backup in two or three different locations, but there are metallic sheet you can purchase which are designed for seed phrase backup as well. Have the backup in at least two or three different locations. You can make the song the fourth backup, but never rely on it.
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November 16, 2022, 10:06:42 PM |
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Despite writing a song with it there should be a place where you could save and protect it more better, okay what if you have a memory disorderliness something similar occurs like accident in a way you couldn't get back the memories of remembering your song or the melody. So to me I think printing it out would be more better storing it into where you could get more access is more preferred.
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November 16, 2022, 10:25:13 PM |
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You can write a song with your seed phrase, but know that the memory can fail someone at anytime, what you think you know might be forgetting, or the brain not able to accurately process the correct words completely. What you can rely on is to just backup the seed phrase offline on paper or metallic sheet. Backup on paper is the easiest while you can have the backup in two or three different locations, but there are metallic sheet you can purchase which are designed for seed phrase backup as well. Have the backup in at least two or three different locations. You can make the song the fourth backup, but never rely on it.
I definitely think it’s a good idea to write it down, but if it’s written down as a song, it may be a lot harder for someone to realize what they’re looking at if the paper falls into the wrong hands.
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November 16, 2022, 10:33:51 PM |
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I definitely think it’s a good idea to write it down, but if it’s written down as a song, it may be a lot harder for someone to realize what they’re looking at if the paper falls into the wrong hands.
If you think like that, why not just go for passphrase instead, it is no more convenient for me to setup a wallet without passphrase, while also still making sure my seed phrase is protected and secure enough to damages and attacks. Once I know that if the passphrase is forgotten, I will lose my coins, I have the passphrase backup separately and yet using the letters, numbers and characters that I can easily remember.
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November 16, 2022, 10:41:57 PM |
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Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
Not a bad idea but i would rather be sticking into traditional ways considering that storing or saving up your keys via song is never been that ideal.You could eventually forget these things on long runs. I would rather be saving it on a steel plate and would be hiding it as much as possible away from others attention which could really be a devastating thing if someone do find out your keys. Well, if someone do find this seed phrase song integration is something that convincing on someones approach then its up to them but not for me. There are things which is more sensible rather than on doing this.
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November 16, 2022, 10:51:06 PM |
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Maybe one way that will work better for me is to use my twelve seed phase to form a football team that way I will never forget it even if you wake me up from the sleep I will have them at all times. Everyone has his own way to go about it but I go with the names of footballers. But from your lyrics don't you think someone can unscramble those seed phase ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Better write them safe in a laminated paper and check them after three months regularly you can also share to your wife or kids if you trust them
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November 16, 2022, 10:51:56 PM |
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"I wish I was like you Easily amused Find my nest of salt Everything’s my fault I'll take all the blame Aqua sea foam shame Sunburn freezer burn Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
It is looking difficult if you try to memorize the passphrase of your wallet in song. This is dangerous to rely on only. You have need to save or store somewhere again to avoid misplace of words. If you look into your first line "I wish I was like you
5th line I'll take all the blame they look foreign to what passphrase can look, so how do you think you won't be confused in 2 years if you want to login to it.
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If you can't memorize the 12 words, then any lifehacks like making songs aren't going to help you in the long run. The problem with memorizing is not being able to bring it up from memory in one week, but keeping something in memory for many years. It's easy to forget refreshing your memory because of some events in life, and then realize that you forgot your seed because you didn't repeat it in a while.
Human memory was not created to store data the way computers do, our memory was designed for storing concepts and associations, not raw bits of data in precise order. Anyone who decides to store their seed in their memory need to understand that it's so unreliable that they should treat this backup as if it doesn't exist and rely on other methods first.
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if people think their homes are not secure enough to invaders, burglars, or family. where you fear an outsider/insider stealing a piece of paper.. then: a. i guess you have no large screen TV or wifes jewellery in your house out of fear of theft b. you dont trust your family
to which. get a better door lock. and get a divorce and find someone to live with you can trust
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Well, to each his own, but I don't think I'd go as far as this in order to memorize my seed phrase. As a matter of fact, even if I successfully memorized it because of this strategy, it will just be a matter of time before I forget it. After all, I probably won't be singing it every single day. And, if worst comes to worst, and you'll experience memory loss, there's nothing to remember anymore. So the best way would still be writing it down in multiple copies and keep it in different hidden places.
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November 17, 2022, 01:45:09 AM |
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Reminds me of an episode of Chuck. Spoilers: The firing code of a weaponized satellite was placed at the end of an atari game. It was impossible to get to the end of this game. The person who coded this game and added the password, can get to end of game with rhythm of the music. So only he could pass the game and reach the password. So, you can cypher your seed phrase with lyrics, but how much can be efficient? You can store it safely but when u need to use it, can it be save you from hacker or etc. ? If you are successful in this, congratulations you can keep your investments safe ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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I don't think it's a good idea to make it into a song. It's better to just memorize the words and save it. My memory is not enough for me to make it into a song and memorize it in my head.
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November 17, 2022, 02:10:18 AM |
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Well, to each his own, but I don't think I'd go as far as this in order to memorize my seed phrase. As a matter of fact, even if I successfully memorized it because of this strategy, it will just be a matter of time before I forget it. After all, I probably won't be singing it every single day. And, if worst comes to worst, and you'll experience memory loss, there's nothing to remember anymore. So the best way would still be writing it down in multiple copies and keep it in different hidden places.
My personal trick to keeping it in mind is to practice at least once or twice a month. However, i can agree that memorizing one's seed is a solution which can be very situational, it would be useful to pass savings through borders or keep one's money save in a place which is very anti-Bitcoin or cryptography, like China for example. In the end, for most of situations keeping it safe somewhere engraved on metal should be enough.
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November 17, 2022, 02:48:33 AM |
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there is actually ton of idea about how we save the seed phrase including this one ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I also heard about implant in teeth. the best way is mage 2-3 and spread it ex. 1 in hardware wallet 1. paper and secure it etc. i think this is the best solution
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November 17, 2022, 03:32:04 AM |
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~snip~
My personal trick to keeping it in mind is to practice at least once or twice a month. However, i can agree that memorizing one's seed is a solution which can be very situational, it would be useful to pass savings through borders or keep one's money save in a place which is very anti-Bitcoin or cryptography, like China for example. In the end, for most of situations keeping it safe somewhere engraved on metal should be enough. As for me, I totally forgot about it. I can't even remember a single word from my seed phrase. But I think this is totally understandable knowing that you don't make use of it every now and then. The last time I made use of it was years ago; that was years before the pandemic. That's a recovery phrase and recovery doesn't happen all the time. I think it helps crossing very unfriendly boarders not to raise suspicion about listed words or words engraved on a piece of metal. So writing sentences or poems or, yeah, songs that contain those words might help.
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November 17, 2022, 03:45:25 AM |
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Yeah we humans love to sing no doubt about that , but not all of us has that memorization ability in which some of us even their favorite songs cannot fill their mind so they forget it . But I love your Idea and like me that also loves to right , I think now I have Idea how to keep safe my Seed , but will try this deeper for sure because we are talking about our holding here that may lose in the air if we fail to remember the seed without writing it down.
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tbct_mt2
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November 17, 2022, 03:49:50 AM |
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Bad idea. Human memory is limited and it is very hard to remember what words in your song are parts of your wallet seed.
Maybe you will have your encrypting method to note that what words are for your seed. Only you can recognize them but I am doubtful if you put a dot on seed word or anything similar, others can see it too and make their guess.
I don't support this idea because at the end, if you store your backup safely and very secretly, you don't actually need this misleading method that might cause trouble to yourself too.
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November 17, 2022, 04:41:28 AM |
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"I wish I was like you Easily amused Find my nest of salt Everything’s my fault I'll take all the blame Aqua sea foam shame Sunburn freezer burn Choking on the ashes of her enemy"
- All Apologies by Nirvana
Humans have trouble remembering nonsense like 12 random words, but if you write some lyrics and add the melody to your favorite song, it’s a lot easier. I have no idea what Kurt Cobain is talking about above, but if the melody is good, we can remember any combination of words.
It is not a bad idea as this is a very old trick used to remember all kind of information that people have known for a very long time, but it should not replace traditional backups and at best it should be used as a last resort. This way if for some reason you lost access to your wallets and your backups you will still have some chances to recover your coins by having your seed words in your memory, however it is an unreliable method, and most likely just when you need it the most you will not remember all your seed words.
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November 17, 2022, 05:06:39 AM |
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a song, simple but who doesn't like it. one way to remember it by liking. but behind it I think there is a risk that it could leak at any time about phrases or sensitive things about security even though it is difficult to memorize at least there are other ways, for example writing or sculpting. If the lyrics of the song are not the same (mixed with 12 word phrases) it will be awkward in the ears of some people and trigger suspicious questions. easier to remember but risky and in my opinion phrases can be made in the form of paintings etc
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