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Sports has one of its benefits as been able to bring people together with a common interest, talking about the world cup and crisis, do you think that RUSSIA and UKRAINE will possibly decide to temporarily cease fire as a result of the world cup? “My plea to all of you is to think on a temporary cease-fire, for one month, for the duration of the World Cup — or at least the implementation of some humanitarian corridors or anything that could lead to the resumption of dialogue as a first step to peace,”-FIFA CHIEF https://www.politico.eu/article/fifa-chief-gianni-infantino-says-qatar-world-cup-is-chance-for-russia-ukraine-cease-fire/
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Some believe that sports should be practiced away from international political tensions. Others believe that it is permissible to use sports demonstrations to show political positions. The World Cup is a global occasion and is subject to global changes. Qatar itself, the host country, has problems with some of the participating countries. It has not been recorded in history that a war was stopped by football.
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Yeah, war will stop for one month because troops won't have time to fight, as they will watch World Cup games in trenches near to the front line. Do you really ask this question seriously? Though, there is rumour that president of China Xi Jinping asked Putin not to start during Winter Olympic games in China.
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I wish the war will stop to honour the world cup but I guess this is impossible since Qatar is not the country at war one and everything thing has been put in place for proper security of people going to Qatar. The war is not going to affect the world cup .
Political issues are always there because it is all about gaining territories and who is superior to the other,for this reasons i dont think Puttin will stop the war for respect of the world cup. It is sad that football brings different continents in the world together for competition but while this event is going on some other countries are busy fighting war.
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Football may have its own way of uniting people across the world, but i think politics should as well be taken far away as possible from football, there are many political ways to engineer a cease fire in a war, some of them have been used to see if this war would stop and it hasn't, definitely i can't see a way the WC is going to stop it then. Having said that, neither of the two countries in battle is hosting the WC, and neither of them is a participating country in it, so i don't see how it could stop them from fighting whilst the WC goes on, even though i hope it could make them stop.
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Some believe that sports should be practiced away from international political tensions. Others believe that it is permissible to use sports demonstrations to show political positions. The World Cup is a global occasion and is subject to global changes. Qatar itself, the host country, has problems with some of the participating countries. It has not been recorded in history that a war was stopped by football.
Is war really just politics? I feel like the moment you start murdering people in cold blood like the Russians are doing it becomes a problem of international law and not just politics. Politics should be bloodless. When there's a border dispute and countries are showing off it's politics, but when you start burying people in mass graves it becomes much larger and every tool in your arsenal should be used to prevent that, including sports. I'm happy that I won't have to watch Russians in the World Cup. It was a good choice by FIFA. Should they cease fire? Yes, but Russia usually breaks every agreement. Remember how they were supposed to allow refugees to leave the war zone through humanitarian corridors and then shot at them with artillery? I wouldn't trust any word from Putin's mouth.
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November 18, 2022, 07:00:35 PM |
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Sports has one of its benefits as been able to bring people together with a common interest, talking about the world cup and crisis, do you think that RUSSIA and UKRAINE will possibly decide to temporarily cease fire as a result of the world cup?
It would be wonderful to have a cease fire during the world cup season. The world cup is a competition that promotes peace and unity, hence we need peace during this prestigious competition. The war would indeed have some effects on the competition. The safety of Ukrainian and Russian airspace are not guaranteed. Most participants might have to avoid these two nations' airspace, there by making them to take alternative routes. Due to sanctions, most companies were not able to get advert slots in the competition and some individuals might not be able to travel to Qatar to watch these matches. A football match between Ukraine and Russian national teams would not be bad in this world cup ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) .
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Some believe that sports should be practiced away from international political tensions. Others believe that it is permissible to use sports demonstrations to show political positions. The World Cup is a global occasion and is subject to global changes. Qatar itself, the host country, has problems with some of the participating countries. It has not been recorded in history that a war was stopped by football.
Is war really just politics? I feel like the moment you start murdering people in cold blood like the Russians are doing it becomes a problem of international law and not just politics. Politics should be bloodless. When there's a border dispute and countries are showing off it's politics, but when you start burying people in mass graves it becomes much larger and every tool in your arsenal should be used to prevent that, including sports. Following the same logic, we should enmity the people of any country that is colonized by another. Politics has never been a true expression of the will of the people, as evidenced by the fact that many Russians reject the war on Ukraine, and this was proven during the call-up of reservists, many of whom fled to neighboring countries, and others were sued for refusing to join the service in the war. If any party is to be punished in this way, then it would be better for Iran to be deprived of joining the global patrols against the backdrop of its nuclear project, against which the whole world stands. America, too, could have been punished in the same way during its war on Iraq. That we deal with Russian players or Russian citizens who do not have a political identity does not mean that we are supportive of Russia's war on Ukraine or that we are negligent with Ukraine. Wars in the world will not end, and sporting events must be neutralized from all forms of conflict.
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November 18, 2022, 11:53:28 PM |
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Some believe that sports should be practiced away from international political tensions. Others believe that it is permissible to use sports demonstrations to show political positions. The World Cup is a global occasion and is subject to global changes. Qatar itself, the host country, has problems with some of the participating countries. It has not been recorded in history that a war was stopped by football.
Is war really just politics? I feel like the moment you start murdering people in cold blood like the Russians are doing it becomes a problem of international law and not just politics. Politics should be bloodless. When there's a border dispute and countries are showing off it's politics, but when you start burying people in mass graves it becomes much larger and every tool in your arsenal should be used to prevent that, including sports. Following the same logic, we should enmity the people of any country that is colonized by another. Politics has never been a true expression of the will of the people, as evidenced by the fact that many Russians reject the war on Ukraine, and this was proven during the call-up of reservists, many of whom fled to neighboring countries, and others were sued for refusing to join the service in the war. If any party is to be punished in this way, then it would be better for Iran to be deprived of joining the global patrols against the backdrop of its nuclear project, against which the whole world stands. America, too, could have been punished in the same way during its war on Iraq. That we deal with Russian players or Russian citizens who do not have a political identity does not mean that we are supportive of Russia's war on Ukraine or that we are negligent with Ukraine. Wars in the world will not end, and sporting events must be neutralized from all forms of conflict. The life goes on - there are wars going on around the world and no tournament saves people from the torture. So chill this world cup will not be affecting anything - people will be killed and players will keep playing
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The life goes on - there are wars going on around the world and no tournament saves people from the torture. So chill this world cup will not be affecting anything - people will be killed and players will keep playing
I would be very happy if I knew that one of the football leagues has contributed to defusing the tension between two conflicting sides and contributed to achieving world peace, which is supposed to be one of its most important roles. But I will never be satisfied if athletes are excluded on the basis of their nationality, sect, or any hostile acts that they were not directly responsible for. The World Cup is a global event, and I am personally against the exclusion of anyone, with the exception of those proven to be involved in abusive or suspicious activities. Originally, if we wanted to hold the wrongdoers accountable, the World Cup would not be held by any country.
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Following the same logic, we should enmity the people of any country that is colonized by another. Politics has never been a true expression of the will of the people, as evidenced by the fact that many Russians reject the war on Ukraine, and this was proven during the call-up of reservists, many of whom fled to neighboring countries, and others were sued for refusing to join the service in the war.
If any party is to be punished in this way, then it would be better for Iran to be deprived of joining the global patrols against the backdrop of its nuclear project, against which the whole world stands. America, too, could have been punished in the same way during its war on Iraq. That we deal with Russian players or Russian citizens who do not have a political identity does not mean that we are supportive of Russia's war on Ukraine or that we are negligent with Ukraine.
Wars in the world will not end, and sporting events must be neutralized from all forms of conflict.
Reality that majority of people in Russia support war in Ukraine You say that people who fled away to other countries reject war. But they left Russia to avoid getting mobilized. If they would be against war, they would had protested when this war started. Sports always been mixed with politics, especially in Russia. It would be simply not fair to let them play in Wolrd Cup, like nothing didn't happened. It's called collective responsibility. Whole population of Russia is responsible for decisions of their politics, who were selected by majority of votes.
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November 19, 2022, 11:31:17 PM |
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The life goes on - there are wars going on around the world and no tournament saves people from the torture. So chill this world cup will not be affecting anything - people will be killed and players will keep playing
I would be very happy if I knew that one of the football leagues has contributed to defusing the tension between two conflicting sides and contributed to achieving world peace, which is supposed to be one of its most important roles. But I will never be satisfied if athletes are excluded on the basis of their nationality, sect, or any hostile acts that they were not directly responsible for. The World Cup is a global event, and I am personally against the exclusion of anyone, with the exception of those proven to be involved in abusive or suspicious activities. Originally, if we wanted to hold the wrongdoers accountable, the World Cup would not be held by any country. Now the EU has introduce one love band and 9 captains will be wearing the one love band. FIFA and World cup organization came under pressure on EU soccer federation who said they planned their captain to wear rainbow armbands and anti discrimination campaign during the internal matched - But would that be helpful?
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November 19, 2022, 11:45:55 PM |
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Following the same logic, we should enmity the people of any country that is colonized by another. Politics has never been a true expression of the will of the people, as evidenced by the fact that many Russians reject the war on Ukraine, and this was proven during the call-up of reservists, many of whom fled to neighboring countries, and others were sued for refusing to join the service in the war.
If any party is to be punished in this way, then it would be better for Iran to be deprived of joining the global patrols against the backdrop of its nuclear project, against which the whole world stands. America, too, could have been punished in the same way during its war on Iraq. That we deal with Russian players or Russian citizens who do not have a political identity does not mean that we are supportive of Russia's war on Ukraine or that we are negligent with Ukraine.
Wars in the world will not end, and sporting events must be neutralized from all forms of conflict.
Reality that majority of people in Russia support war in Ukraine You say that people who fled away to other countries reject war. But they left Russia to avoid getting mobilized. If they would be against war, they would had protested when this war started. Sports always been mixed with politics, especially in Russia. It would be simply not fair to let them play in Wolrd Cup, like nothing didn't happened. It's called collective responsibility. Whole population of Russia is responsible for decisions of their politics, who were selected by majority of votes. That is correct - the players can obviously support one thing or other but their main job is to play and not to fight. But the world cup would not change anything. Like earlier tournament - which didn't bring any change to the society.
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November 20, 2022, 11:35:45 AM |
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Following the same logic, we should enmity the people of any country that is colonized by another. Politics has never been a true expression of the will of the people, as evidenced by the fact that many Russians reject the war on Ukraine, and this was proven during the call-up of reservists, many of whom fled to neighboring countries, and others were sued for refusing to join the service in the war.
If any party is to be punished in this way, then it would be better for Iran to be deprived of joining the global patrols against the backdrop of its nuclear project, against which the whole world stands. America, too, could have been punished in the same way during its war on Iraq. That we deal with Russian players or Russian citizens who do not have a political identity does not mean that we are supportive of Russia's war on Ukraine or that we are negligent with Ukraine.
Wars in the world will not end, and sporting events must be neutralized from all forms of conflict.
Reality that majority of people in Russia support war in Ukraine You say that people who fled away to other countries reject war. But they left Russia to avoid getting mobilized. If they would be against war, they would had protested when this war started. Sports always been mixed with politics, especially in Russia. It would be simply not fair to let them play in Wolrd Cup, like nothing didn't happened. It's called collective responsibility. Whole population of Russia is responsible for decisions of their politics, who were selected by majority of votes. That is correct - the players can obviously support one thing or other but their main job is to play and not to fight. But the world cup would not change anything. Like earlier tournament - which didn't bring any change to the society. Given that both Russia and Ukraine are at war, it was unfair to exclude Russia from the World Cup and invite Ukraine. FIFA would have kept politics out of football. But it is the past, and Russia is now being punished for invading. We shouldn't disregard Putin's words. (NO RUSSIA NO WORLD CUP) We still have a few hours until the World Cup; would Putin's threats come true? Oh, I'm afraid. Putin is hardly a man to laugh with, after all.
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Given that both Russia and Ukraine are at war, it was unfair to exclude Russia from the World Cup and invite Ukraine. FIFA would have kept politics out of football. But it is the past, and Russia is now being punished for invading. We shouldn't disregard Putin's words. (NO RUSSIA NO WORLD CUP) We still have a few hours until the World Cup; would Putin's threats come true? Oh, I'm afraid. Putin is hardly a man to laugh with, after all.
WTF did you wrote? Who invited Ukraine to World Cup to replace Russia? Open list of World Cup participants and show me Ukraine. They haven't qualified because they lost to Scotland. And Russia actually weren't removed from World Cup, they got removed from qualifiers. There is no guarantee that they would had qualified, as they had to beat Poland first and then Sweden. So, contnue posting nonsense ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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November 20, 2022, 12:53:29 PM |
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“My plea to all of you is to think on a temporary cease-fire, for one month, for the duration of the World Cup — or at least the implementation of some humanitarian corridors or anything that could lead to the resumption of dialogue as a first step to peace,”-FIFA CHIEF Having a fight free time for the world cup event is really a good plea if they are going to listen and have the seize fire. The seize fire has been coming intermittently before now during talks to see if agreement would be reached but unfortunately one of the parties don't keep to it but if this time, it is kept all through the duration of the world cup which is one month, it can allow the both government to have a rethink, compromise and reach out for themselves, it is possible for tempers to calm down . However sometimes it is baffling that we are talking about the Russian and Ukraine war as if it was a script of nollywood on war adventure acted on the soil of Ukraine. For God sake we are talking about war that human beings are killed on daily basis but taken as drama.
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Why would a war that has nothing to do with soccer cause a ceasefire? The world cup is held in big regard for sports fans but that is where it stops. This is just whatever news that is looking to get clicks because there is no chance that this happens. Ukraine's soccer team still played Scotland when the war was happening I think and that was only for a qualifier. These qualifiers have been going on for months and no one complained about it then. Russia and Ukraine will only stop when one of them has taken big enough losses to make their objective not worth it or they achieve their objective. For Ukraine that means cause enough losses to Russia that they pull out or Russia takes over Ukraine.
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Reality that majority of people in Russia support war in Ukraine You say that people who fled away to other countries reject war. But they left Russia to avoid getting mobilized. If they would be against war, they would had protested when this war started. With the launch of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine, protests took place in many Russian universities and regions, but the Russian police apparatus of repression met them with violence and intimidation. Journalists were arrested because they only published reports or mentioned during their statements the Russian war on Ukraine, and those who did not languish in prisons paid sins and signed commitments not to repeat this under the pretext that this incites citizens to hate. Even if there were Russians who supported the invasion of Ukraine, I think they retracted their opinion after the wave of sanctions that affected their country.
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With the launch of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine, protests took place in many Russian universities and regions, but the Russian police apparatus of repression met them with violence and intimidation. Journalists were arrested because they only published reports or mentioned during their statements the Russian war on Ukraine, and those who did not languish in prisons paid sins and signed commitments not to repeat this under the pretext that this incites citizens to hate. Even if there were Russians who supported the invasion of Ukraine, I think they retracted their opinion after the wave of sanctions that affected their country.
There were protests, but it wasn't massive thing. Few thousands people in whole country protesting probably can't reflect opinion of majority. Yes, you can say that majority remain silent because they're afraid to get arrested, but when you look at things which are going on in Iran, it's only excuses. Probably risk to protest in Iran is bigger than in Russia, but people still do it. Sanctions? It has smaller influence than majority expected. I hate to say, but I think that Europe is more affected by their own sanctions than Russia. And unfortunately, some sanctions is easily bypased.
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Well! that's not how cease-fires work because both parties right now have different agendas and they already sacrificed a lot and they don't want to jeopardize their plan just because of some World Cup. Both leaders have no sympathy for their people because both decided to go on despite the huge casualties and damages because by this senseless war. The world cup might be a good thing for the countries that have no hostility against each other and it will gonna strengthen their friendships but for the countries that are at war, it would be nothing but just a game.
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