Is Roshtein fake money streamer or not?

[I794]

Guys, what u think about it? Is Roshtein streaming on fake money or not?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

https://youtu.be/9X5eSMS_Uow

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[yahoo62278]

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

A good number of streamers who are playing with big money are playing on fills and paid either a % of the profit they make per stream or paid a set amount per stream. Each streamer has a different deal. IMO Rosh is a fake money guy. Fact is, we will never 100% know.

[Eureka_07]

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

I am a follower of Roshtein. From my perspective, I can say that he is a genius at his craft. I actually want to see more of him streaming. So I know the fact that there are various deals between casino and the streamer. Regardless, based from my conclusion everytime I watch his streams, I believe that the money that he is spending to play on Stake came from his own pocket.

I know it is hard to believe it. In my case, at first I did not believed that it is a "real" money, but then later on, I am convinced that the money is not fake.  You can see how genuine his reactions are and how he behave on his next day stream almost everytime he had a big loss from his previous stream(s).

This guy, Roshtein, is different from other streamers.

[yahoo62278]

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

I am a follower of Roshtein for quite sometime. He is a genius at his craft. I actually want to see more of him streaming. So I know the fact that there are various deals between casino and the streamer. Regardless, based from my conclusion everytime I watch his streams, I believe that the money that he is spending to play on Stake came from his own pocket.

I know it is hard to believe it. In my case, at first I did not believed that it is a "real" money, but then later on, I am convinced that the money is not fake.  You can see how genuine his reactions are and how he behave on his next day stream almost everytime he had a big loss from his previous stream(s).

This guy, Roshtein, is different from other streamers.

Really it depends on what you consider "real" and "fake" money. I don't know what Rosh or Trains deal is, but I've heard people discuss that train uses his own funds and is 100% reimbursed for his losses and paid money on top.

So IMO train is a fake money streamer as he isn't actually losing his money and is paid for content. Rosh may have the same deal and fill his balance with his funds but is reimbursed 100% if he loses plus a little extra on top.

I cannot confirm any of this, just my thoughts.

Think about it. Slots are fucking terrible. You're gonna lose most of the time. Who in their right mind is gonna go max bet billions of bets knowing they're gonna lose their ass, if they weren't playing on free money basically?

[MAAManda]

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

Just like you, I also think that they are playing with fake money. I have more trust and faith in streamers who only buy bonus buys for small money ($20 - $1K looks more real). But as @yahoo62278 has said above that whatever our opinion is to say that they use fake money to play, the fact is we don't know for sure 100%.

[AB de Royse777]

I was scammed by a casino owner, the casino name was Bitlucy. Anyone who knows me on the forum know what happened with me. Some believe and some does not, I do not care anymore now. Eventually the owner scammed many clients, including me. The whole incident effected my real life and virtual life with that my financial status too. However, the bright side of every loss was to gather huge experience from this unfortunate event.

None of the streamers play with real money. Depending on their channel's popularity the casino owners offer them credit balance. All numbers are relative and depending on the level of bargain they come to an agreement with each others.

If someone has 5M subs then they will get $50k, $100k or even $1M credit. Someone with 1k sub may be offered $100 or even $150. You get the idea.

There are conditions for them to be able to cash it out. A condition of wagering x times. x could be 20, 30, 40, 50
When someone is lucky they actually make good amount of money. Sometimes the casino owner will give another condition of able to withdraw a maximum amount. In that case, even after the successful required wager, the streamer only can withdraw the maximum amount that was allowed to him and casino owner will remove the rest of the balance.

A casino needs traffic and clients. The streamers provide it to the casino. It's a win - win for both. The strategy works very well.

[nakamura12]

I cannot support any of it if it is real or not but I can say that he can confirm it himself if he would do it. There's only two things I can think of, it's either not his own pocket money or his own pocket money that is used to gamble in stake. It could be true that there is an agreement between him and stake which stake will provide the funds to be used to gamble and he must gamble in stake which will help spreading the name stake for other gamblers to know it's existence.

[Alisha-k]

Could it be Roshtein streams using demo account during most live broadcasts because there are claims that the balance never changes. What marvels most is that his stakes are always high. It is still a strong debate if he is a high roller or fake but there are no solid claims to which side to classify him but yet his followers keeps increasing i think this isn't clear at all.

[DoublerHunter]

I cannot support any of it if it is real or not but I can say that he can confirm it himself if he would do it. There's only two things I can think of, it's either not his own pocket money or his own pocket money that is used to gamble in stake. It could be true that there is an agreement between him and stake which stake will provide the funds to be used to gamble and he must gamble in stake which will help spreading the name stake for other gamblers to know it's existence.

^No one will use their own money for the sake of the content, it should be sponsored money that comes from the company and we don't know their agreement. That is not fake money, that is sponsored money that comes from the gambling company, they use it for marketing purposes only and as you can see, sometimes streamers like this have better odds but I don't know if odds can be manipulated because they always win. However, as stated above, we don't know what is their agreement, so this is only a conclusion towards them.

[M1cha3lM]

No matter who the streamer is, it's always going to be hard to prove their legitimacy unless they outright admit that they are using a fill balance or something alike.
A lot of streamers are on deals where they are paid X amount weekly/monthly and are able to gamble with this as they choose to do so, and the winnings are fully withdrawable.

Some streamers are on deals where they are given infinite refills of money every X amount of minutes or whenever their balance reaches 0, these are the streamers that personally I don't understand how users can watch them as it is as far away from the reality of gambling as you can get.

Not speaking on specific people, I think the only transparency you can hope for with crypto casino streamers is they show you them depositing and withdrawing on stream or even publicising their deposit transaction id's which users can look at themselves, as well as also showing an organic growth in terms of their bet sizes.

[Saint-loup]

No matter who the streamer is, it's always going to be hard to prove their legitimacy unless they outright admit that they are using a fill balance or something alike.
A lot of streamers are on deals where they are paid X amount weekly/monthly and are able to gamble with this as they choose to do so, and the winnings are fully withdrawable.

Some streamers are on deals where they are given infinite refills of money every X amount of minutes or whenever their balance reaches 0, these are the streamers that personally I don't understand how users can watch them as it is as far away from the reality of gambling as you can get.

Not speaking on specific people, I think the only transparency you can hope for with crypto casino streamers is they show you them depositing and withdrawing on stream or even publicising their deposit transaction id's which users can look at themselves, as well as also showing an organic growth in terms of their bet sizes.

When the bank roll is high they usually can't fully withdraw all their winnings unlike what you said, but only a percentage of them like 10%, someone has made a thread about the different deals offered by casinos to streamers. Being paid by a percentage on their winnings allows them to look super happy when they make some good winnings during their streams while letting them showing big amounts on their screen.

[lionheart78]

I also think that Roshtein is sponsored.  So he is playing with the casino's or someone's money which can be considered "fake money".  I do agree with @yahoo62278 that he is getting a commission on his stream, either through the percentage of the result of his gambling session or the number of viewers of his stream.  And of course, all we can do is speculate.  But there are lots of articles about him that seems to show that he is not a fake money streamer.  But as obvious as it is, how can he maintain being a high roller if there is no one sponsoring his streams?

[o48o]

I mean if someone can play with free money instead and you wouldn't know the difference, why wouldn't they? And Roshtein sure looks like fake it till you make it guy with that 5 year anniversary luxury glamour videos. Money attracts money, even if that money would be fake.
Then there's the issue that they are probably under investigation by tax officials and officials tracking their income. At leat to them they need to tell what's real and what's the show.
Many influencers keep a role of being rich as attracts money, but maybe not as much as they would people like to know.

Obviously this is just me guessing. Who knows, maybe i am just skeptic and some influencers just have made it.

[KennyR]

No matter who the streamer is, it's always going to be hard to prove their legitimacy unless they outright admit that they are using a fill balance or something alike.

This is the fact, unless the streamer himself admits we can't get into conclusion whether he's playing with real money or fake money. Streamers play a great role in attracting users towards the respective platform. At times the bets looks to be completely against the reality, still we believe in it. This is how common man's mind. Streamers are paid good and as said in one of the post if one can broadcast his deposit it can be believed that he's playing real game.

[babygun]

Just like you, I also think that they are playing with fake money. I have more trust and faith in streamers who only buy bonus buys for small money ($20 - $1K looks more real). But as @yahoo62278 has said above that whatever our opinion is to say that they use fake money to play, the fact is we don't know for sure 100%.

All the big streamers (Xposed, Roshtein, ...) are playing with money that is not really theirs and is funded by the casino. Before Xposed moved to Stake, all his losses were covered by Roobet and he could keep 25% of all the winnings (source: https://gamerempire.net/what-gambling-site-does-xposed-use-to-bet/).
So even though it can be considered as "fake money" it is still entertaining to watch!

[yahoo62278]

Just like you, I also think that they are playing with fake money. I have more trust and faith in streamers who only buy bonus buys for small money ($20 - $1K looks more real). But as @yahoo62278 has said above that whatever our opinion is to say that they use fake money to play, the fact is we don't know for sure 100%.

All the big streamers (Xposed, Roshtein, ...) are playing with money that is not really theirs and is funded by the casino. Before Xposed moved to Stake, all his losses were covered by Roobet and he could keep 25% of all the winnings (source: https://gamerempire.net/what-gambling-site-does-xposed-use-to-bet/).
So even though it can be considered as "fake money" it is still entertaining to watch!

Most that watch aren't watching because they love the streamer but more because they're moving from stream to stream chasing the giveaway. That's 1 thing that helps their numbers as far as subs goes. They do x amount of giveaways per stream.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Well, the thing is, most of the videos, or better put , streams we watch that involves playing with huge amount of money is fake, though like yahoo said, we can never know 100 percent, but the thing is that we should never believe everything we see on streams to be true, most are fake and are designed for nothing but to lure watchers into playing with monies they probably can not afford to loss in the name risking it all to win it big.
This has destroyed alot of gamblers and caused alot of others to become super addicted due to chasing losses.

[Baofeng]

Guys, what u think about it?

I am sure in 101% that he plays fake money, but a lot of friends of mine - said the opposite.

After twitch banned stake and other casinos, he deleted all videos and dont even stream anymore, so its 100% proof they he had deal with stake and use free money to play, what do u think?

Possible, it's either:

1. own money
2. money paid by his sponsor

Not sure though, maybe he was streaming on other platforms like Clive?

And this streamers are being paid huge amount of money so it's unlikely that they will suddenly disappear. And as per his tweet:



https://twitter.com/ROSHTEINS/status/1592874103098474496

So that is probably a hint already that he will be back soon.

[makishart]

I personally believe if that was fake money aka demo account given by the gambling owner. the streamer has a contract with the gambling sites to promote it through doing regular live. Think about that how easy the owner of site to fulfill your account with so much money in the balance form.

Just like you, I also think that they are playing with fake money. I have more trust and faith in streamers who only buy bonus buys for small money ($20 - $1K looks more real). But as @yahoo62278 has said above that whatever our opinion is to say that they use fake money to play, the fact is we don't know for sure 100%.

All the big streamers (Xposed, Roshtein, ...) are playing with money that is not really theirs and is funded by the casino. Before Xposed moved to Stake, all his losses were covered by Roobet and he could keep 25% of all the winnings (source: https://gamerempire.net/what-gambling-site-does-xposed-use-to-bet/).
So even though it can be considered as "fake money" it is still entertaining to watch!

Most that watch aren't watching because they love the streamer but more because they're moving from stream to stream chasing the giveaway. That's 1 thing that helps their numbers as far as subs goes. They do x amount of giveaways per stream.

Pretty much the same as some local gambling streamers in my country, all of the comments were full of people chasing giveaways (or maybe bots). I can't deny some might be watching him for entertainment purposes like me.

Seeing how easy any streamer like roshtein to win big bonus makes me think if it looks unreal. Local gambling streamer in my country was also getting max win so easy. But this is how marketing through streamer works. I do believe mostly of streamers used WSO (Winrate Slot Online account)

[Wexnident]

I'd still say most (if not all) streamers who gamble are actually paid for their losses (or have a set amount casinos give them to play with). The reason they can make it even with that is their ability to create a stunt or reaction that would still relate to the users, regardless if it was their money or not, and that's their craft, does leave a bad taste though since some people think they can hit it big like them with no risks involved. Though I'd say most of their following actually just stem from people trying to win their giveaways.

As for him not streaming anymore, I reckon any sort of streamer similar to him wouldn't be able to with Twitch's guidelines. Nor is it allowed in Youtube, which are two of the biggest platforms so I reckon they're still looking for alternatives right now.