Bitcoin Talk on Telegram

[mendace]

Hi everyone, today I'm here to propose a new experiment. We have already replicated a large part of the Italian section of Bitcoin Talk on telegram and I would like to share with you too. As you well know, telegram has recently introduced the possibility of dividing the chat with topics. So I created the first Bitcoin talk italia forum on telegram and this will have to be complementary with Bitcoin Talk in order to attract as many people as possible.



But that's not all, @babo has also developed the bot for assigning merit with the same forum score and which will allow users to achieve the same levels.



Do you think that's all? No. Soon a circuit of sponsors with banners inside the chat will give the possibility to remunerate the most deserving users in satoshis who will create interesting contents.

In the meantime we stopped the domains @bitcointalkINT international section @bitcointalkUK English section @bitcointalkDE German section @bitcointalkFR French section if anyone wants to take part you can contact me here in the inbox or on Telegram @mendace.



Update 0.0.5

We have recently introduced the first tests on the publication of sponsors within the topics. Here is an explanatory image.


But that's not all in the meantime we have opened international community groups, English, German, French, Spanish, Indonesian.  At the moment these are empty and looking for administrators who want to commit themselves to carrying on the project with us.  The proposal is open to all but we will verify that you are a user of the forum and also your level.



As already mentioned and in the replies to the threads, the project tries to integrate with the forum by posting in a bidirectional way.  For the more skeptical in the Italian section we have already managed to get some of the desired result by bringing old members back to the forum.

At the next update




II already told you that the merit system is already present in the group and in fact it has now been well developed by @babo and already operational.

The first test sponsors started a few days ago, this will be the counterpart of the forum signature which, since it cannot be personal, we will have one or more than one but collective and which will provide rewards in satoshi in % of merits, activity and level.

 Didn't you tell us that someone could pretend to be a forum user then the good @babo added the "verify by talk" function or through an alphanumeric code that you must temporarily affix to the location label of your profile the bot will be able to authenticate yourself and verify that the btctalk UID corresponds to the Telegram UID.



I hope these additional changes are appreciated.

In roadmap (what a shitcoinaro term) it is foreseen to open a topic where all the new threads of the Italian board that will be posted will be reported, this should allow a further connection with the forum.

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[Don Pedro Dinero]

In other words, you want to compete with bitcointalk, and you advertise it on Meta. They are quite respectful of everyone here, but I don't think theymos and many others are going to be passionate about the subject.

I just don't see it as complementary. If I spend time here I'm not going to spend it on Telegram, or vice versa, if I like Telegram more, and I'm even going to have a monetary incentive, I won't be on the forum as much.

[mendace]

In other words, you want to compete with bitcointalk, and you advertise it on Meta. They are quite respectful of everyone here, but I don't think theymos and many others are going to be passionate about the subject.

I just don't see it as complementary. If I spend time here I'm not going to spend it on Telegram, or vice versa, if I like Telegram more, and I'm even going to have a monetary incentive, I won't be on the forum as much.

Would you have posted it in another section? And why shouldn't you spend your time elsewhere? There are many users including myself who spend time on many other platforms including telegram.

[TryNinja]

Idk, seems like this would decrease a lot of the activity here. Some users on the Portuguese board have suggested that we create a Discord server for some time, but if we're discussing stuff there, we won't discuss it here = bad for the forum overall.

[Upgrade00]

You do not need approval to create a bitcointalk niche on some other chat based platform, AFAIK, there's at least one of such communities which is on discord, created by Cyrus.

Telegram has millions of users and if forum users are interested they can also join in as well.Attempting to replicate the merit and signature system would depend on how much interest it generates. It could be some other way for users interested in Bitcoin, but not so much in the forum layout, to get to experience it on some other platform.

[mendace]

Idk, seems like this would decrease a lot of the activity here. Some users on the Portuguese board have suggested that we create a Discord server for some time, but if we're discussing stuff there, we won't discuss it here = bad for the forum overall.

It doesn't necessarily have to be like this. I doubt that we will be able to bring many people from Telegram but it is an incentive to make the forum known. certainly younger people don't know it and if you link some threads maybe it can work.

[PX-Z]

So what is your proposal? To have bitcointalk community chat in telegram? for every local? or as a whole?

While it is good initiative for the bitcointalk Italian community, but i will leave telegram as a community chat more like updates, news regarding the forum as it will affect the post activity if more will use it instead here.

[TryNinja]

It doesn't necessarily have to be like this. I doubt that we will be able to bring many people from Telegram but it is an incentive to make the forum known. certainly younger people don't know it and if you link some threads maybe it can work.

I see your point. The Portuguese local board is relatively small while there are some huge Telegram communities around Brazil/Portugal with 10k+ members and dozens of active users. I'm not sure how to make them switch over to the forum, maybe they just prefer the chatting app format.

[mendace]

So what is your proposal? To have bitcointalk community chat in telegram? for every local? or as a whole?

While it is good initiative for the bitcointalk Italian community, but i will leave telegram as a community chat more like updates, news regarding the forum as it will affect the post activity if more will use it instead here.

I would say that I don't have a proposal but an initiative and that anyone can carry on their own community but all remaining united under the international section.  As I have already said, I have stopped some domains that I considered important and that I will give to whoever comes forward to manage their own.

It doesn't necessarily have to be like this. I doubt that we will be able to bring many people from Telegram but it is an incentive to make the forum known. certainly younger people don't know it and if you link some threads maybe it can work.

I see your point. The Portuguese local board is relatively small while there are some huge Telegram communities around Brazil/Portugal with 10k+ members and dozens of active users. I'm not sure how to make them switch over to the forum, maybe they just prefer the chatting app format.

But I also manage large communities of about 10k users and I will try to attract as many as possible from them.  It's a slow and tortuous path but has Bitcoin got us used to this or not?

[fillippone]

Well, As you know I run a monthly analysis on the Italian board.

[Meta] Andamento sezione italiana

I have seen the activity definitely not picking up, and being stable.
The user turnover is in the region of 50ish monthly active users.
I am actually inside a few Italian telegram channel with member count from 3K to 10K.

For sure I cannot see the risk of some users that voluntarily logs into Bitcointalk.org with his 20 years old format, being lured into the Telegram discussion because of this channel.
I know the telegram handles of many Italian board members, and we are all in the same TG groups, meaning they already know the Telegram media, and for various reasons, they like the forum the most.

While I cannot see a risk of users going from the forum to Telegram (50sh)users, I can see, linking forum articles in Telegram, the possibility to lure some of them in the forum.

If only 0.5% of the 10K user group ventures into the forum on a monthly basis, this means another 50 users, or a 100% upside on the forum members.

Asymmetrical bets.
 

[royalfestus]

Are there any features Telegram will offer that this forum cannot? I found the moderators here to be more tolerant than in many other Telegram groups. The OP does not belong to the forum moderators or work for the forum, and he wants to represent the forum from another platform without permission. What is going to be done to prevent a misrepresentation of the forum and scamming members of a group with the identity of the moderator?

[mendace]

Are there any features Telegram will offer that this forum cannot? I found the moderators here to be more tolerant than in many other Telegram groups. The OP does not belong to the forum moderators or work for the forum, and he wants to represent the forum from another platform without permission. What is going to be done to prevent a misrepresentation of the forum and scamming members of a group with the identity of the moderator?

Is this a forum not a company or am I wrong? I do not want to represent any moderator of this forum but only bring a similar experience to another platform that is currently the most used for Bitcoin. How do you plan to help Bitcoin grow instead?

[fillippone]

Are there any features Telegram will offer that this forum cannot? I found the moderators here to be more tolerant than in many other Telegram groups. The OP does not belong to the forum moderators or work for the forum, and he wants to represent the forum from another platform without permission. What is going to be done to prevent a misrepresentation of the forum and scamming members of a group with the identity of the moderator?

Nothing.

If OP really wanted to scam Users in Telegram with a representation of the forum over that platform, for sure he wouldn't have advertised that platform here on the forum.
Am I sure he is not going to scam the users on Telegram? Absolutely not, maybe there is a long shot from here (if FTX scammed their users, who I am to vouch for Mendace?)
Can the forum really do something about this? Not sure they (we) can.

[mendace]

Are there any features Telegram will offer that this forum cannot? I found the moderators here to be more tolerant than in many other Telegram groups. The OP does not belong to the forum moderators or work for the forum, and he wants to represent the forum from another platform without permission. What is going to be done to prevent a misrepresentation of the forum and scamming members of a group with the identity of the moderator?

Anyway, how could I scam users if I myself am committing to remunerate the most deserving ones. And as Filippone says why should I have done everything in the light of day here on the forum instead of preferring darkness?

[dkbit98]

With all the notifications telegram can really create a lot of distraction, and I don't find it very good for chats with multiple topics.
Good thing about it is that it can serve as alternative way of communication for members with mobile devices, since current bitcointalk forum is not really mobile friendly.
It can also be used for free promotion of Bitcointalk forum, maybe with official forum linked being pinned on top for more serious conversation.
Bad think about telegram groups like this are many, someone can takeover or attack it easier, history can be deleted, both personal and total group history, there is possibility of phone numbers and identity getting leaked, etc.

I am not against telegram groups like this, but I would like it for them to be somehow connected with Bitcointalk forum.
Maybe profiles could be verified and connected with bitcointalk profiles, otherwise we could see a lot of fake fillippone's, theymos's and others trying to trick people.

[mendace]

With all the notifications telegram can really create a lot of distraction, and I don't find it very good for chats with multiple topics.
Good thing about it is that it can serve as alternative way of communication for members with mobile devices, since current bitcointalk forum is not really mobile friendly.
It can also be used for free promotion of Bitcointalk forum, maybe with official forum linked being pinned on top for more serious conversation.
Bad think about telegram groups like this are many, someone can takeover or attack it easier, history can be deleted, both personal and total group history, there is possibility of phone numbers and identity getting leaked, etc.

I am not against telegram groups like this, but I would like it for them to be somehow connected with Bitcointalk forum.
Maybe profiles could be verified and connected with bitcointalk profiles, otherwise we could see a lot of fake fillippone's, theymos's and others trying to trick people.

Yes, perhaps there is the possibility of doing this check, I will talk about it with Babo. I'm thinking that the telegram forum notification bot also interfaces via UID and username

[Zilon]

This new features on Telegrams that can divide chats into topics seems good enough for an idea such as this. The goal is promoting Bitcoin and making it gain more popularity not minding where it is done be it here, offline or any reputable social media as long has orderliness and proper co-ordination is ensured and ensuring scammers and spammers are hunted down. 

There are lots of newbies who signed up to this very forum and left due to the fact the could not navigate the forum properly and out of frustration abandoned their accounts. It could be a way of presenting an alternative incase this seems difficult the try out the other. Then have a way of linking it up to Bitcointalk forum.

[fillippone]

Yes, perhaps there is the possibility of doing this check, I will talk about it with Babo. I'm thinking that the telegram forum notification bot also interfaces via UID and username

Only thing I can think is a sort of 2FA authentication.
The bot has a profile in Bitcointalk, and sends a PM to the user with a secret key that must be returned on Telegram.
This might be done manually by some Telegram admin.
This is the only way to be sure fillippone in the BitcoinTalk Telegram is the same fillippone in Telegram, even if the nick/handle ae different (like myself).

[mendace]

Yes, perhaps there is the possibility of doing this check, I will talk about it with Babo. I'm thinking that the telegram forum notification bot also interfaces via UID and username

Only thing I can think is a sort of 2FA authentication.
The bot has a profile in Bitcointalk, and sends a PM to the user with a secret key that must be returned on Telegram.
This might be done manually by some Telegram admin.
This is the only way to be sure fillippone in the BitcoinTalk Telegram is the same fillippone in Telegram, even if the nick/handle ae different (like myself).

I just talked to Babo who assured me that forum users can be verified on telegram, obviously this will only be worth in the group where the bot for verification resides and which handle could be different from that of the forum. Unfortunately guys there are limitations compared to the forum but the user experience we can try to make it pleasant and similar.

[fillippone]

One last think: I see little competition between the medium.
On the Italian Board we started experimenting (this is what we are talking about: experiments) with different medium which are three different and complementary formats for sharing information:

1. Telegram for the quick, instinctive and animal/short memory/short attention span question and answers that is so fashionable today.
2. The forum for more reasoned discussion and for the display of complex tris.
3. The wiki for “stratified and accepted” knowledge about which there is little to discuss.

Those mediums reflects different user base, which we have seen, so far, little keen on "changing state" from one medium to another.