[Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez

[LUCKMCFLY]

^^ And that is very tricky indeed, if David Benavidez says no, then he will be blame for everything, for the fight not pushing that's for sure. But then again, if they gave in to the demand of Plant, then it's a big psychological win for Team Caleb Plant and will definitely take control of the fight or even the lion share of the purse.

Very difficult now on the part of Benavidez, but I'm thinking that they will make a counter offer as per the article. That's how negotiation should be, other party should compromise as well and not just one side process.

Yeah, Benavidez' camp will negotiate and will provide their counter offer, it's also their right to counter whatever Plant's camp thinks
is good for them, since a two-way negotiations.

Both camps need to adjust and accept or meet in the middle to push this fight, otherwise it would be a biased one and for sure
both camps are after with the money.

Both sides need to have a decent and acceptable share before they will sit and sign the contracts.

But I don't see it as bad about the negotiation, I think the important thing about this is that they come up with the right terms, if this is fixed in the best way, who will be the best? What about Davis? When we see this type of problem, we realize that everything is reduced to money, to everything that can be given as a benefit to their organizations, but where is the meaning of sport here? of boxing? I think the most important thing here is boxing, what can be enjoyed from the fight, that this is what drives everything, the fights are driven by the betting business model, and the more demand there is for it, the better for it all.


Now Plant says the following:

Plant wants Benavidez fight “locked in” for first quarter 2023

Plant (22-1, 13 KOs) is in a situation where he can potentially get a rematch with now undisputed super middleweight champion Canelo Alvarez if he defeats WBC interim 168-lb champion Benavidez (26-0, 23 KOs) in a WBC-ordered title eliminator.

Canelo has hinted that he could fight the Plant vs. Benavidez winner, but he hasn’t come right out to say that he will 100% do that.

Some believe that Canelo will fight the winner if it’s Plant, but not if it’s the 26-year-old Benavidez due to the high potential of losing badly to him. Canelo’s career would tank badly if he were to get knocked out by Benavidez, which is why he’s not likely to face him if he beats Plant.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/plant-wants-benavidez-fight-locked-in-for-first-quarter-2023/

[inthelongrun]

...maybe they can settle it in Las Vegas or in New York, the last venue of his devastating knockout of Dirrell and for sure he can bring his fans there and so is David, a lot of Latin American might come and watch his fight but I think NY is pro Puerto Rican but who knows.

New York is probably the best location in terms of being neutral for their fans. The place has a lot of Ricans which is probably the reason why Miguel Cotto made it his American homecourt.

Now Plant says the following:

Plant wants Benavidez fight “locked in” for first quarter 2023

Plant (22-1, 13 KOs) is in a situation where he can potentially get a rematch with now undisputed super middleweight champion Canelo Alvarez if he defeats WBC interim 168-lb champion Benavidez (26-0, 23 KOs) in a WBC-ordered title eliminator.

Canelo has hinted that he could fight the Plant vs. Benavidez winner, but he hasn’t come right out to say that he will 100% do that.

Some believe that Canelo will fight the winner if it’s Plant, but not if it’s the 26-year-old Benavidez due to the high potential of losing badly to him. Canelo’s career would tank badly if he were to get knocked out by Benavidez, which is why he’s not likely to face him if he beats Plant.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/plant-wants-benavidez-fight-locked-in-for-first-quarter-2023/

Hopefully, we can get a date in the first quarter of next year. I am not sure if they already started their training but I won't be surprised if Plant is into it. Benavidez is a huge guy and is probably eating and drinking a lot this Christmas and the coming New Year which makes March or even as far as April as its possible date. 

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

[Ziskinberg]

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

[Fredomago]

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

Canelo will take whoever will win if the negotiations between two camps will materialize, it's a good tuneup like what you said before moving up again and chase a rematch from Bivol. We witness how he suffered from bivol, the guy have the speed and the capability to adjust each time Canelo try to box him and dominate.

I like to see Canelo trying his best to beat Bivol, but that would be a big challenge to him. He should take the winner of this upcoming fight before moving back and face Bivol in the upper division.

[Sanitough]

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

Canelo will take whoever will win if the negotiations between two camps will materialize, it's a good tuneup like what you said before moving up again and chase a rematch from Bivol. We witness how he suffered from bivol, the guy have the speed and the capability to adjust each time Canelo try to box him and dominate.

I like to see Canelo trying his best to beat Bivol, but that would be a big challenge to him. He should take the winner of this upcoming fight before moving back and face Bivol in the upper division.

I'm thinking the opposite thing, Canelo is taking less priority whoever wins between Plant and Benavidez because Canelo has already set his eyes towards Bivol and make a comeback after that defeat that he experienced in the hands of a Russian boxer. And before that rematch, it has been said that Canelo will take a tune-up first because he just came back from a surgery. And I think Canelo is not yet due to a mandatory fight, that's why the winner of this bout will have to wait.

[stadus]

I don't see any improvement on Caleb Plant though, it's really based on who he is going to fight. For the Anthony Dirrell's fight, we see that Dirrell has no respect on Caleb's power and that was his own wrong doing. And so when Caleb throws that left hook, it was perfect and Dirrell just caught it with his face.

Maybe he has a new trainer and probably executing good techniques, but when he goes on another situation that his back is against the wall or has been hit so much, he will go back to his old style.

And so he will be an open book once again if he goes back to his old style, it's also obvious that David's camp has been studying Plant's new techniques/style that he may have picked from his new mentor and the same to his old ways as well. Also, even if we say that Plant has successfully overcome the young blood, what will be his next step? Face Canelo again where his chances are still the same and will lead him to another dead end. Anyway, that's unlikely because this David got the upper hand because of his exemplary skills that might give Canelo some hard time.

Agree! If Plant's strategy got compromised and he will go back to his old style then he might be dominated knowing Benavidez is really aggressive and he can bring Plant lots of aggressive punches that may land to Plants critical areas, it's interesting if how both will showcase their talents once they are already inside the same ring.

That is expected because it's already given that David will come prepared against Plant, now I'm curious what Plant will do to be in the limelight again. On the other hand, given that David's true aim is Canelo, then it's safe to say that he won't be giving some advantages to Plant that will push him in the corner. Either way, it's up to Plant and David if how will they play their scenarios to have a upper hand until the fight ends.

You are right mate, there are so many factors and intangibles in this fight that there are many scenarios just like how you put it. Both wanted to have a piece of Canelo, for Plant his second time, so who knows, he might have leaern from his 1st experience. On the other hand, Canelo Alvarez has been in the mouth of David Benavidez for some time now that we think he can beat Canelo at this point. So it's gonna be interesting how this fight will turn out and who will land that first shot that will change the outcome of the fight.

Whoever it is, surely, the one who have some more concrete plan will be the one who gets to face the undisputed champion, Canelo Alvarez. Caleb Plant might have a counter this time against Canelo and learned a thing or two, but he cannot do that if he cannot get past this David Benavidez who I think got the upper hand in this fight and is also looking forward to fight Canelo.

[Kemarit]

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

Canelo will take whoever will win if the negotiations between two camps will materialize, it's a good tuneup like what you said before moving up again and chase a rematch from Bivol. We witness how he suffered from bivol, the guy have the speed and the capability to adjust each time Canelo try to box him and dominate.

I like to see Canelo trying his best to beat Bivol, but that would be a big challenge to him. He should take the winner of this upcoming fight before moving back and face Bivol in the upper division.

I'm thinking the opposite thing, Canelo is taking less priority whoever wins between Plant and Benavidez because Canelo has already set his eyes towards Bivol and make a comeback after that defeat that he experienced in the hands of a Russian boxer. And before that rematch, it has been said that Canelo will take a tune-up first because he just came back from a surgery. And I think Canelo is not yet due to a mandatory fight, that's why the winner of this bout will have to wait.

Bivol will still be the main target of Canelo if ever he comes back, but I don't think he will take a tune up fight though, he might directly go to Bivol first after he is healed. There's no point in Canelo fighting a tune up because it will just delay his rematch. He is full of pride that he wants as soon as he beat GGG to go to Bivol right away. And so that winner of this fight will have to wait a bit longer though, but for sure Canelo will give them a chance specially if David Benavidez win the fight because he wants to shut his mouth as well because he is telling a lot in the public against Canelo.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Are there odds already in the bookies and anyone who had compared them which is the best bookie to have it, if there's any?

Last time I check, there are no odds yet for this match, but I reckon that Benavidez could be the slight favorite here.

Each of them would say that they can beat the sh!t out of their opponent 100%. It usually is the word that they say as they have to be strong even in their words.

True, but it will be a different story once they got into the ring. Specially if you felt the power of one another. It's either you can take it, or decided not to go toe to toe because you might get knock out of knock down. But we shall see between the two, the animosity is real as they have history way before they made their names.

Well, I cannot deny that Benavidez is a boxer who inspires respect and his way of fighting is somewhat peculiar and has an unorthodox style but he is very efficient.

If we take into account that they may have various ways of fighting against Plant, I believe that Benavidez could appeal to his basic way of fighting to see what kind of plan the boxer has, although that is something that I would not do because it would expose himself to a lot, some boxers who try to do that, sometimes they come out in a knockout and they don't do very well, so I think he can make a great fight, and the statistics can be very flat so far, but I think that for now I would not know who to go for and make a bet.

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

Canelo will take whoever will win if the negotiations between two camps will materialize, it's a good tuneup like what you said before moving up again and chase a rematch from Bivol. We witness how he suffered from bivol, the guy have the speed and the capability to adjust each time Canelo try to box him and dominate.

I like to see Canelo trying his best to beat Bivol, but that would be a big challenge to him. He should take the winner of this upcoming fight before moving back and face Bivol in the upper division.

I'm thinking the opposite thing, Canelo is taking less priority whoever wins between Plant and Benavidez because Canelo has already set his eyes towards Bivol and make a comeback after that defeat that he experienced in the hands of a Russian boxer. And before that rematch, it has been said that Canelo will take a tune-up first because he just came back from a surgery. And I think Canelo is not yet due to a mandatory fight, that's why the winner of this bout will have to wait.

Bivol will still be the main target of Canelo if ever he comes back, but I don't think he will take a tune up fight though, he might directly go to Bivol first after he is healed. There's no point in Canelo fighting a tune up because it will just delay his rematch. He is full of pride that he wants as soon as he beat GGG to go to Bivol right away. And so that winner of this fight will have to wait a bit longer though, but for sure Canelo will give them a chance specially if David Benavidez win the fight because he wants to shut his mouth as well because he is telling a lot in the public against Canelo.

Well, this is something that we cannot forget, I know that Canelo has many things to accomplish, and I am very sure that he will do whatever it takes to face Bivol again, who has many things on his mind, I think that what he is looking for is a lot of fame , money, and I think that now he has to do other things, among which he has to accept the challenge that he has with him, a rematch is a rematch and he has to accept that he can do two things, the first, win and show that he is the better and second if he wins, Canelo would not have it very easy to challenge him again, I think that could put Bivol in that standard that he wants to be recognized.

Canelo Alvarez’s trainer wants Dmitry Bivol rematch in 2023

By Brian Webber: Canelo Alvarez’s trainer Eddy Reynoso has contacted Matchroom Boxing promoter Eddie Hearn to inform him that his fighter wants a rematch with Dmitry Bivol in 2023.

In the meantime, Hearn states that Canelo (58-2-2, 39 KOs) wants a warm-up fight in May, likely against his WBO 168-lb mandatory John Ryder, before facing Bivol (21-0, 11 KOs) in the rematch in September.

What’s unclear is what weight the Canelo-Bivol II second fight will take place. Hearn likes the idea of the rematch being contested at 168, which would make it fairer for Canelo because Bivol would need to drain down in weight from 175.

Moreover, Bivol would have the opportunity to become undisputed at 168 and then return to the 175-lb division to face IBF, WBA & WBO light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev for the undisputed in that weight class as well.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/01/canelo-alvarezs-trainer-wants-dmitry-bivol-rematch-in-2023/

[Baofeng]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

[TravelMug]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

Not sure who John Ryder is? and why would Canelo pick him when he had a lot of fighters chasing him, is he getting soft now in 2023 and could be a sign that he is slowing down already?

The fight that we wanted to see is Bivol and then the winner of this fight, simply as that.

If he fights other boxer, then it wouldn't sit good with his fans and the boxing community for sure.

[btc_angela]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

Not sure who John Ryder is? and why would Canelo pick him when he had a lot of fighters chasing him, is he getting soft now in 2023 and could be a sign that he is slowing down already?

The fight that we wanted to see is Bivol and then the winner of this fight, simply as that.

If he fights other boxer, then it wouldn't sit good with his fans and the boxing community for sure.

That is weird indeed if Canelo is eyeing this British fighter, and looking at the records, he has lost to some of the British boxers that Canelo has knockout, like Callum Smith and Rocky Fielding. So this is a cherry pick fight for Canelo next and is a downgrade to all the opponents that he had face in the past. Probably he wanted to have an easy route specially coming from his hand injury. This kind of injury are not new to the boxers, but it can comeback again. So maybe his team need someone that will have his hands force to the maximum again, in my opinion.

[freedomgo]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

As far as I know, Eddie Hearn and Canelo Alvarez's camp have said last year that Canelo won't be fighting a direct heavy opponent after his surgery because they needed to get him back to his feet first just to be safe and that he will be given a tune-up fight before he decides to face the winner of Plant-Benavidez fight or go for a rematch with Bivol. So, I'm thinking that maybe this is what they meant that time because John Ryder is not that kind of a risk to Canelo's throne, but I found out that Ryder have the WBO interim belt which kind of confusing.

[Sithara007]

^^^ Yeah, John Ryder won the WBO interim super middleweight title a month ago, after he defeated Zach Parker at the O2 arena. But I agree with the argument that Ryder is not as good as either Caleb Plant or David Benavidez. And obviously Bivol is the best out of all the four possible opponents. But the Bivol fight may not happen this year. Canelo is not prepared to face him as he is still recovering, and Bivol still hasn't received the purse from his fight against Canelo, as a result of US sanctions against Russian citizens.

[Jating]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

As far as I know, Eddie Hearn and Canelo Alvarez's camp have said last year that Canelo won't be fighting a direct heavy opponent after his surgery because they needed to get him back to his feet first just to be safe and that he will be given a tune-up fight before he decides to face the winner of Plant-Benavidez fight or go for a rematch with Bivol. So, I'm thinking that maybe this is what they meant that time because John Ryder is not that kind of a risk to Canelo's throne, but I found out that Ryder have the WBO interim belt which kind of confusing.

Probably, but let's see how Canelo critics will take this, for sure they will give a lot of negative press for Canelo in he chooses this fighter. Which I had to admit I have to check his boxrec to see if he is worthy.

So he is the interim WBO belt, but it doesn't matter, but now we all know what they are fighting him. It's because of his injury and yeah probably a tune up and test how his hands were after the surgery. Maybe after this one he will fight either Bivol or the winner here. Canelo as well said that he wants to fight 3x a year so that is about the possibility for this year or at least 3x fight within 12 months.

[carlisle1]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

Canelo's camp will find ways to take it lighter as he is recovering from his injuries, better than fight lightly than there's no fight at all,
even he might criticize but what is important is he will bring fight for the fans.

whoever wins in this upcoming fight against Plant and Benavidez, they will wait if Canelo deals with them, there's nothing to do
for now, but to focus with their fight.

Talking for the next fight will be too early, as they needed to take care of the fight first then talk for the next coming one.

[btc_angela]

Well there is a new name popping around recently that Canelo is interested on fighting British contender John Ryder.

For sure it won't sit well on the winner of this fight, because we wanted if David Benavidez wins here, to fight Canelo. So it's a surprised if indeed Canelo will skip Bivol in his comeback fight and step aside the winner here and fight John Ryder.

I wouldn't be surprised though as we all know that Canelo is recovering from his injuries so he might as well take a light opponent first before taking either the winner of this fight or again avenge his defeat to Bivol.

Canelo's camp will find ways to take it lighter as he is recovering from his injuries, better than fight lightly than there's no fight at all,
even he might criticize but what is important is he will bring fight for the fans.

whoever wins in this upcoming fight against Plant and Benavidez, they will wait if Canelo deals with them, there's nothing to do
for now, but to focus with their fight.

Talking for the next fight will be too early, as they needed to take care of the fight first then talk for the next coming one.

I guess it's better that way for this two, not to listen what  Canelo's plan it for the future, whether it was Ryder or the winner of their fight They will simply have to deal with each other first, see how the fight will go although it seems for us, David is the favorite.

And then whoever wins, demand for a Canelo fight. And that's the only thing, they have to pressure Canelo and maybe he will have a change of heart and then go either with Bivol or the winner here. Still, it's all Canelo's decision in the end.

[Sithara007]

Eddie Hearn's idea is nuts. He wants Dmitry Bivol to drain down to 168 from 175. That is not going to happen anyway. Bivol will refuse it outright. He would rather stay at 175 and face Artur Beterbiev. The idea of being undisputed at both 168 and 175 may sound very promising, but I am sure that Bivol is intelligent enough to understand the trap that is being laid for him here. IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

[Kelvinid]

IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

That would be an easy fight for Canelo because John Ryder is not an undefeated boxer. Well, actually both easy especially if Caleb Plant will win on this fight but of course, we doubt that because Benavidez is such a great fighter, it might even end up in a one sided beat down win by Benavidez.

[Ziskinberg]

Canelo will most likely take Plant if he wins. If Benavidez wins and Canelo can't see any weakness then he is likely to move up and take a rematch with Bivol. Although earlier, Canelo already mentioned that a Bivol rematch is his priority. Pretty gutsy but I like it rather than choosing soft oppositions.

I think whoever wins this fight would interest Canelo, that if they will agree to fight him. Another tuneup fight before getting into a rematch on a fighter that has defeated him, and I'm pretty sure that it will happen one day, I'm just not sure if canelo will be able to beat Bivol.

Canelo will take whoever will win if the negotiations between two camps will materialize, it's a good tuneup like what you said before moving up again and chase a rematch from Bivol. We witness how he suffered from bivol, the guy have the speed and the capability to adjust each time Canelo try to box him and dominate.

I like to see Canelo trying his best to beat Bivol, but that would be a big challenge to him. He should take the winner of this upcoming fight before moving back and face Bivol in the upper division.

Canelo will never forget that, he loses to Bivol and rushes to have a rematch but then he realizes he is not yet ready, so we've seen him fighting his usual weight. Well, I'm not hoping Plant would win as we know it would be an easy fight for Canelo, but if it will be Benavidez, it should be a great fight for Canelo.

[Baofeng]

Eddie Hearn's idea is nuts. He wants Dmitry Bivol to drain down to 168 from 175. That is not going to happen anyway. Bivol will refuse it outright. He would rather stay at 175 and face Artur Beterbiev. The idea of being undisputed at both 168 and 175 may sound very promising, but I am sure that Bivol is intelligent enough to understand the trap that is being laid for him here. IMO, Canelo should focus on fighting John Ryder first, and after that he should fight the winner of the Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez match.

And Bivol hasn't fought in 168 lbs, he was a natural Light HW since the beginning of his career, so we know what Hearn or Canelo is thinking here, to drain Bivol in their rematch to get all the advantage and at least assure of them of a big win. So the ball is on the court of Bivol and his team, if they are going to succumb to the pressures or just simply look for other fight at 175 lbs.

And as I have said, if the Bivol fight is not going to happen, they will pick an easy fight and that could be John Ryder.

On the other hand, Plant vs Benavidez is not a snoozer, Plant's knockout of Dirrell is knockout of the year for me. So he will be riding on this momentum to have a big knockout win and repeat that act, if he can against David.