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December 01, 2022, 08:37:21 PM
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Yeah, at least one full cycle will be a good hold, or just test how your mentally as far as your crypto investment goes.

So it's going to be 4 years and for sure there will be challenges for us, as we will see the price really going nosedive in the bear market and for some, it's really hard to see our portfolio and wallet going down. So the bear market start this year, so more likely 2025 will be the time that you will likely going to sell, assuming that you have accumulate today 2022 till 2024 at least.

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December 01, 2022, 09:38:52 PM
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I do see people come here and declare themselves as long term holders of bitcoin because they are holding for weeks to months; they are right because previously they were into intraday or sessional/trend trading which may not last for more than six months.

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.
For some though, it might be long enough, maybe they are just looking for how much money they are going to profit. So instead of looking for long term investment, if they see that they have reach their target profit then they will just sell. Or there could be circumstances that investors will have to sell for reasons like emergency and personal.

Of course to enjoy profits and benefits from our investment we should wait for a bit longer or at least experience a full cycle.

But I guess everyone of us here are very different in our goals and others sell on how they see fit.

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December 02, 2022, 01:20:40 AM
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To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.
This is how it should be to call ourselves a long term investors. As you've said, to enjoy the real benefit of investing in Bitcoin, one must able to endure holding for 4 years cycle (or decade if possible) and never get tempted to sell since you have a goal.

However we know many of us can't hold for years even they're saying that they are a long term hodlers. The common reason is, we already need the money or blinded by the sudden pump not knowing the price will increase further. Well, there's nothing wrong if we already take profit but it just shows that you're not firm enough to be a long term investor.

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December 02, 2022, 02:23:42 AM
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In my personal opinion, the ideal investment and get a real return is.
Short Term: Less than 1 year.
Medium term: Less than 5 years.
Long term: 10 years and above.
and when we decide to make a long-term investment, we must be prepared not to touch the funds for at least the next 10 years or a predetermined investment period with high consistency, and study the investments that are well and correctly selected, and also thorough. so that we are ready to fluctuate.
And what is no less important, before preparing for a long-term investment is to prepare an emergency fund in advance that can meet the basic needs of life, such as savings or other ideas so that investment plans are not disrupted.
and long term investing always take advantage of every dips to buy and increase holdings of every dips and this is the most important thing, because this is the best way and also the opportunity to increase profits in time.

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December 02, 2022, 11:48:03 AM
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To truly enjoy the benefit, yes one should just invest and hold for years and the timing of this bear bottom is the right moment to invest. After investing, let the 2025 bear market pass and wait again for the next bull. After this, I think the user will not panic anymore even if the price dips to 80% again.

Users claimed to be long-term holders, they probably just kept some on exchanges that they also trade to accumulate. Can't miss the opportunity.
There will always be panic during bear market, and that a normal scenario on any marker, the next bear will just be the same but on a different price level. The bear cycle is about to end, we have to grab this opportunity now and make some good investment, the next 3 years will all about recovery and probably bull market might finally come. If you are doing your thing now, buying Bitcoin and just hold it for a year, then you’re doing the right thing.
That's because there will always be new people that will enter here and the next bear can be their first bear so it's normal that they will worry or panic. We can't tell if the price level is going to differ on the next bear but there are possibilities that previous lows can return. On this bear that we have this year, we already hit different lows from the previous years.

The price is now starting to rise again so maybe you are right that this can be a sign that the bear market is about to end. Those who enter earlier are I think already done buying but there might still be new here. They better hurry up now. There must be surprises this December and then the rest will just continue next year.

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December 03, 2022, 10:14:12 PM
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Long term holding is the best way to profit out of cryptocurrency. Holding varies between users, and one need to set their own holding time period. To me atleast 3 years of holding will bring profit on the investment. Every investment brings profit in the long term. With bitcoin this is a proven fact, and halving plays big role in holding of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

With every investment there'll be risk, to experience the best out of the cryptocurrency investment patience is the key rule.
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December 03, 2022, 10:26:30 PM
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To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.
You must be Satoshi himself to try that. We're looking at 12 to 20 years for a 3-5 Bitcoin cycle here with the awareness that a cycle is four years (rightly so when we consider its halving period). For me, a long term hodl is two years. That's hodl stoically for two years without touching my stack. The two years will be from two years post-halving to the present halving year. For instance, at hand is the period I'm referring to. Buying now to sell off in 2024. Then repeat the process in 2026.

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December 03, 2022, 11:31:12 PM
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On the other hand, in this case, when we talk about long-term investment, we actually don't need to worry too much about the decline now, because we know that this is only temporary and won't interfere with your long-term plans, because if you talk about the long term, of course we've also been targeting this for a long time. not a few years so that the current decline should not be too much of a panic.
On the other hand, I don't want to be too naive in this matter because I personally am still bothered by candles and my bad habit of always checking in a day at least a day which makes me feel that when there is a little profit I want to go straight away even though my plan is at least until 2024 .

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December 03, 2022, 11:42:03 PM
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I do see people come here and declare themselves as long term holders of bitcoin because they are holding for weeks to months; they are right because previously they were into intraday or sessional/trend trading which may not last for more than six months.

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

Yeah, there were stocks which transformed long term holders to multi-millionaires for the investment of $100 to $1000. Luckily, we do not have to break our head to find the right stock for long term holding in this crypto space; it is only bitcoin but to get 1000x returns, we must learn patience.

For the people, who argue that they cannot lock $1000 for year then they should plan up for $50 or $100; that is very basic. If we stick with basics of investments then we can easily convert deep bear markets of bitcoin into moderate ones.
Broadly speaking the Bear market is a threat to people who hate blood in the market and makes them afraid of losing their money and going into a panic sell, but there are those who make it an opportunity to increase the load or start investing in Bitcoin, I don't think it's necessary to wait until 10 years to reap enough profits doi Bitcoin, I can say it's very good patience or greed.
The DCA strategy starts from now on investing $ 1000 per month in 2023 until the halving time in 2024, it is enough to make profits, although not a thousand times.
 If you want a sizable return you have to make a large and regular investment from now on.
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To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.


Yeah you are right stocks take a longtime to mature for sell and sometimes bonds too. Sometimes people even forget that they have shares they bought, some invest in shares as youth to cash out out old age or retirement age.

You know people don't really like the waiting aspect of cryptocurrency, they feel it is just a quick money bonanza and don't understand that you actually need to wait for it to grab the fat profit. I think however that in cryptocurrency we can do a systematic investment during the time halving is closer  Grin
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I do see people come here and declare themselves as long term holders of bitcoin because they are holding for weeks to months; they are right because previously they were into intraday or sessional/trend trading which may not last for more than six months.

Holding an investment for weeks or months isn't a long-term investment, I think it is labeled as a short-term investment.  Medium-term depends on the cycle of what they are holding but I think it is somewhere on six months to 2 years.

But, bitcoin's cycle is 4 year long which means your long term should cover at least one full cycle of bitcoin markets.

To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.

Yeah, there were stocks which transformed long term holders to multi-millionaires for the investment of $100 to $1000. Luckily, we do not have to break our head to find the right stock for long term holding in this crypto space; it is only bitcoin but to get 1000x returns, we must learn patience.


I agree, if we may, we should hold our investment for a decade in order to see a great result.  But to see Bitcoin to have 1000x return if we invest today is somehow fictional.  A 100x is still somehow hard to get at the current price of BTC.  ( I would love to be proven wrong though)

For the people, who argue that they cannot lock $1000 for year then they should plan up for $50 or $100; that is very basic. If we stick with basics of investments then we can easily convert deep bear markets of bitcoin into moderate ones.

Yeah it is better to have an investment even in small amounts than never had one.

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To enjoy the real benefits of bitcoin investments, you must plan up for covering 3 to 5 cycles of bitcoin markets. Waiting period of more than 10 years may sound unrealistic to many people but I like to suggest them to google to know about the real power of decade long holding of famous stocks.


Yeah you are right stocks take a longtime to mature for sell and sometimes bonds too. Sometimes people even forget that they have shares they bought, some invest in shares as youth to cash out out old age or retirement age.

You know people don't really like the waiting aspect of cryptocurrency, they feel it is just a quick money bonanza and don't understand that you actually need to wait for it to grab the fat profit. I think however that in cryptocurrency we can do a systematic investment during the time halving is closer  Grin
If it were as simple as you say, probably everyone on this forum would have bought their own island a long time ago. But psychology works a little differently and only a few actually make money in this market. The rest panic and sell their assets. And the longer they try not to sell, the more fear they feel. As a result, some have the opportunity to buy at low prices, like now for example.

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December 06, 2022, 01:32:42 AM
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To get a large profit of 100% or more, we have to hold long -term hold, don't care about the prices that occur every day, but if the price continues to drop, the best choice is to buy, history proves since 2011 that the price of bitcoin can continue to rise when dropping, and The maximum time ever happened is 3 years.
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December 06, 2022, 02:57:33 AM
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To get a large profit of 100% or more, we have to hold long -term hold, don't care about the prices that occur every day, but if the price continues to drop, the best choice is to buy, history proves since 2011 that the price of bitcoin can continue to rise when dropping, and The maximum time ever happened is 3 years.
I believe you don't need to hold long-term at all.
There are some investors or traders that are just very lucky or they are really expected that their entry is perfect timing which helps them not to wait any longer.
I am not telling that holding long-term is not good, because I'm doing, nothing wrong with it. Because it is already proven by Bitcoin over time.



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There are some investors or traders that are just very lucky or they are really expected that their entry is perfect timing which helps them not to wait any longer.
To get the influence of luck factor in your trading or investment, long term holding is the simplest trick. If you are relying on your luck things, you may get maximum 10% success ratio whereas if you opt for long term holding then you will get up to 90% hitting ratio of your targets.

So, trading with the help of luck cannot be generalized and talking about that might lead like setting up wrong examples. I have seen my friends are trading blindly and I do call them as gamblers.

it is already proven by Bitcoin over time.
Not just by bitcoin, all deflationary assets are marvellous in long term which is the reason gold and real estate are still worshipped by investors.

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To get a large profit of 100% or more, we have to hold long -term hold, don't care about the prices that occur every day, but if the price continues to drop, the best choice is to buy, history proves since 2011 that the price of bitcoin can continue to rise when dropping, and The maximum time ever happened is 3 years.
it is still profitable to keep long term holding , but the problem is that nowadays people tend to seek earning short term as the altcoin had been showing the capacity to bring profit .

I hate to see people that wanted to see profit short term but panicking when they dont get what they wanted.









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December 06, 2022, 10:14:21 AM
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To get a large profit of 100% or more, we have to hold long -term hold, don't care about the prices that occur every day, but if the price continues to drop, the best choice is to buy, history proves since 2011 that the price of bitcoin can continue to rise when dropping, and The maximum time ever happened is 3 years.
I believe you don't need to hold long-term at all.
There are some investors or traders that are just very lucky or they are really expected that their entry is perfect timing which helps them not to wait any longer.
I am not telling that holding long-term is not good, because I'm doing, nothing wrong with it. Because it is already proven by Bitcoin over time.



Yes Not holding completely , maybe hold some but other part must be in short term trading because there are altcoins that may move good bouncing than how bitcoin keeps showing .

I also changed my views about long term holding some times but also do this for part of my folio.

now there are several altcoins in my pocket that only waiting to be sold and re invest in other alts.

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December 06, 2022, 02:57:22 PM
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To get a large profit of 100% or more, we have to hold long -term hold, don't care about the prices that occur every day, but if the price continues to drop, the best choice is to buy, history proves since 2011 that the price of bitcoin can continue to rise when dropping, and The maximum time ever happened is 3 years.
it is still profitable to keep long term holding , but the problem is that nowadays people tend to seek earning short term as the altcoin had been showing the capacity to bring profit .

I hate to see people that wanted to see profit short term but panicking when they dont get what they wanted.
It is commonplace when many people want short-term profits with the aim of fulfilling their needs from short-term trading. The problem is they're doing that with money they have no intention of losing if they can't make a profit that fast, that's what makes people panic.
On the other hand long-term investing is the best way to take profits, but not everyone is prepared to wait that long because they want the sweet fruit as soon as possible.
Investment success is not only a matter of how we make a profit, but also how prepared we are to wait and can afford to lose. The virtuous cycles that we see on the market price charts year on year are not accompanied by the patience of some people to wait that long.

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December 06, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
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In investing in bitcoin, one should be aware that the course of bitcoin will fluctuate and there are about 4 years for the price to increase greatly.
But unfortunately, people tend only to be able to hold their bitcoins for a short time and start selling them when the price drops, which is not recommended by investors who have strong hands in holding bitcoins.
It is better to learn how to handle bitcoin properly so that it will give you profit in the future.
And buying bitcoins during a downturn can be a solution to owning more bitcoins because this is what investors who have already benefited from bitcoins are advised to do.
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December 06, 2022, 06:18:32 PM
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Not holding completely , maybe hold some but other part must be in short term trading because there are altcoins that may move good bouncing than how bitcoin keeps showing .

I also changed my views about long term holding some times but also do this for part of my folio.

now there are several altcoins in my pocket that only waiting to be sold and re invest in other alts.
I never changed it, I just hold majority of my coins and even buy more to hold more as well, it's just a way to make a profit for me that I do not know any other way. Sure I do have a tiny bit of everything else as well, like literally 50 bucks to 100 bucks on 10-15 different small things, but they are very tiny on my portfolio because I do not really believe that they will give me riches, I think the money that you put on bitcoin is the key to success.

It will give you the capital to start making a lot of real money, and what I mean by real is the amount you could buy a house with, that type of money could get you real returns in the long run that you can live from as well if you make right choices.

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