Bitcoin's freedom is Absolute!

[irhact]

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

I don't think anyone is forcing anyone here on how to enjoy their freedom, what's ongoing on the forum is just the passing on of the correct information that people have misunderstood because of the way the media has reported it. If you aren't using Bitcoin with privacy in mind then you aren't truely enjoying the freedom that was meant by Satoshi. You can't say carrying out KYC on exchange are freedom. If it was freedom then the exchanges would had given you a choice but with them you don't have a choice but must do as they say so that isn't freedom.

Freedom isn't withholding my money and denying me access to them, freedom isn't putting my account on restrictions and demanding I provide verification on how I optioned such funds. Freedom isn't using centralized exchange mate, you won't understand all this until it happens to you. Freedom is decentralization and that's why bitcoin was invented

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[mendace]

Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.

My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.

• If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
• If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
• If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
• If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
• If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

You are confusing the word freedom with the word privacy.  All you have listed are concepts that can become freedom if done with the right privacy but if you don't take care of your privacy first how can you claim freedom afterwards?  I'll give you a trivial example, a centralized exchange who asks for your KYC documents has already invaded your privacy but at the same time has made you less free because it will only send your documents to the authorities.  Instead if you had used a p2p and you would have secured your privacy then you would have untraced Bitcoins and your freedom.  It's easy to be free, it's hard to stay free.

[DoublerHunter]

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My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

^You pointed it out and it is definitely right.
But the problem is our government, they want us always be regulated that should not have freedom because this freedom that we seek could be used against them. Good thing we have BTC that can be used as our freedom, so if the owner of the BTC is willing to be regulated by the government and use a centralized exchange because that person is nothing to hide even if there is a KYC procedure, that is freedom. But the true meaning of freedom is that you are free whatever you do in your coin, anytime, everywhere and your coin, your decision must be followed.

[Yatsan]

Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.

My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.

• If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
• If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
• If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
• If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
• If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

You are confusing the word freedom with the word privacy.  All you have listed are concepts that can become freedom if done with the right privacy but if you don't take care of your privacy first how can you claim freedom afterwards?  I'll give you a trivial example, a centralized exchange who asks for your KYC documents has already invaded your privacy but at the same time has made you less free because it will only send your documents to the authorities.  Instead if you had used a p2p and you would have secured your privacy then you would have untraced Bitcoins and your freedom.  It's easy to be free, it's hard to stay free.

Decentralization won't mean this chain speaks for freedom. I'd say less monitored than fiat 'coz in order to make use of it in most of the countries, third party wallets would be needed which are centralised in the first place. KYC and such are also factors which indeed, contrary to what OP have mentioned about Bitcoin being 'free'. But that's fine still. But let us all not be confused of what freedom really is, and that is definitely different from being negligent (as he mentioned keeping ir storing his assets in exchangers, and sharing private keys).There are limits to everything not only in this technology. We should take advantage of this chain's decentralization feature but responsibility would be more appreciated by this industry.

[mendace]

Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.

My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.

• If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
• If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
• If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
• If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
• If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

You are confusing the word freedom with the word privacy.  All you have listed are concepts that can become freedom if done with the right privacy but if you don't take care of your privacy first how can you claim freedom afterwards?  I'll give you a trivial example, a centralized exchange who asks for your KYC documents has already invaded your privacy but at the same time has made you less free because it will only send your documents to the authorities.  Instead if you had used a p2p and you would have secured your privacy then you would have untraced Bitcoins and your freedom.  It's easy to be free, it's hard to stay free.

Decentralization won't mean this chain speaks for freedom. I'd say less monitored than fiat 'coz in order to make use of it in most of the countries, third party wallets would be needed which are centralised in the first place. KYC and such are also factors which indeed, contrary to what OP have mentioned about Bitcoin being 'free'. But that's fine still. But let us all not be confused of what freedom really is, and that is definitely different from being negligent (as he mentioned keeping ir storing his assets in exchangers, and sharing private keys).There are limits to everything not only in this technology. We should take advantage of this chain's decentralization feature but responsibility would be more appreciated by this industry.

I'll be honest, I didn't understand anything you wrote.  Maybe you either misunderstood yourself or used a translator?
I didn't understand what you mean by the concept of freedom and decentralization.  We all know how important this is but it's not the only thing to be free.
As I have already explained, freedom is not achieved without taking care of one's privacy.
Centralized wallets?  Again I don't understand what it means, do you mean something like Chivo?  See what's happening in El Salvador.

[jrrsparkles]

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

I guess you're mentioning dictate if it's a typo.

Ofcourse you can decide how to use your money and if you want to share with everyone then share your private keys to public and announce anyone is in need can use this money.

Doing KYC on exchange's is not anti bitcoinersm, but it makes the centralized exchanges to gain authority over decentralisation which is not Satoshi really expected to happen.

[redsun114]

I think what you are trying to say there is that each person has their own freedom, that they can do whatever they want. If so then what is the point of adding btc there? However, btc is also created for the same purpose and that is for the people to have freedom from banks and governments. Satoshi didn't do anything wrong but the regulations that we are experiencing lately are introduced by the governments. This doesn't interfere the true bitcoiners because they mainly use decentralized platforms for their needs.

If there is one thing that btc users are whining about, that is they badly want to see Satoshi Nakamoto. These people can't seem to be contented with what satoshi has to offer but they also wasn't to invade the privacy of the guy.

[RockBell]

I admire Satoshi's motivation behind bitcoin's lack of third-party participation, full control over your money, freedom from fees and laws, and lack of paperwork compared to banks. Even with bitcoin's foundational anonymity, it stands strong despite hacks and frauds. Even though bitcoin has a great deal of freedom, it is not without risk. Scammers are constantly coming up with new ways to steal peoples' money, and there are numerous warnings about scams and keeping your money in an online account, as they say, "Not your keys, not your coin." It is always safer to keep your money in a wallet and make sure the seed phrase is well-secured. And speaking of not knowing how much you have, I believe that is the greatest option. In addition, I believe that knowing who you share your private key with is important for security reasons.

[Casdinyard]

Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.

My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.

• If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
• If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
• If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
• If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
• If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

I get your point, and you have made sound arguments regarding the role of freedom in the situation with bitcoin and the people, but as it stands today, I don't think it has come to a point where people who exercise their "freedom" as you put it have been persecuted for such, although of course the wiser ones in here would furrow their eyebrows at the sight of such behavior, especially now that situation in the cryptocurrency world is a bit awry thanks to FTX and SBF. For the most part, advise is what the people of this forum give to the people who are none the wiser with the things that involve bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole. So I don't think there's an anti-bitcoin statement made at least. Although again, I cannot stress this enough, the freedom that Satoshi Nakamoto introduced is just beautiful we can't emphasize how big of an impact it had made to us.

[rby]

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My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

^You pointed it out and it is definitely right.
But the problem is our government, they want us always be regulated that should not have freedom because this freedom that we seek could be used against them. Good thing we have BTC that can be used as our freedom, so if the owner of the BTC is willing to be regulated by the government and use a centralized exchange because that person is nothing to hide even if there is a KYC procedure, that is freedom. But the true meaning of freedom is that you are free whatever you do in your coin, anytime, everywhere and your coin, your decision must be followed.

That is very true, you pointed out an important issue for discussion. If everyone follows the freedom as it is supposed to be the government will use it against people. But that is not my emphasis. My emphasis is within the bitcoiners, not everyone has all it takes to follow Satoshi standards strictly, so people who are unable to meet up should not be chastised or seen as anti bitcoiners. Freedom that bitcoin offers should be absolute.

[borovichok]

That is very true, you pointed out an important issue for discussion. If everyone follows the freedom as it is supposed to be the government will use it against people. But that is not my emphasis. My emphasis is within the bitcoiners, not everyone has all it takes to follow Satoshi standards strictly, so people who are unable to meet up should not be chastised or seen as anti bitcoiners. Freedom that bitcoin offers should be absolute.

Bitcoin is the top investment in crypto and getting enticed by it would be good news for some people while bad news to some. Freedom of Bitcoin is not mere talking but putting it into work will definitely proved about those taking it serious and those that are not. Following the freedom of bitcoin will lead some people far away because some get easily carried away by these crypto projects with enough distraction. Only the process alone is big stress to people and they might not be able to matchup the work required or involved, thereby making them to drop without second thought.

[rby]

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

I love this statement! This is super true! Freedom should not come with terms and conditions or anything attached to it! So if a bitcoin owner wants to do kyc and wants to pay taxes on the transactions and profit - that's freedom!

You honestly understood the whole gospel.
Mr. A may feel more of freedom if he can simply go to exchange buy bitcoin and send to their private wallet than Mr B who doesn't want to enroll kyc. In search of non kyc exchange or a decentralized exchange, got scammed or hacked.

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

[ethereumhunter]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

[klidex]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

One of the efforts of the state government to legalize crypto is indeed to be able to apply taxes with the aim of these taxes as a source of state financial income.
So we as wise crypto users can take the positive side of the tax that can make a country legalize crypto and on the other hand to help the country from financial inflation.
If you say that not all crypto users are not rich, I justify it and the taxes that are applied are also not the same for each user because the amount of tax that is applied depends on the amount of crypto assets held and the amount of assets when making a transaction, so there is a difference from any taxes requested.

[uneng]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

That is part of freedom, but someone doing this should be aware every actions have consequences. If they want to remain anonymous, while having a wealthy lifestyle they must be aware it will bring a lot of undesired attention from authorities who will investigate this individual in order to discover from where his money come from and why he isn't declaring his source of income annually, potentially having to pay a very expensive fine for the crime in question, and forced to change his actions from that moment on regards his personal accountability. After all, society's rulers enforces freedom isn't practicable.

[serjent05]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

Why would you avoid taxes?  It is our duty as citizens of a country.  We need to pay taxes so that greedy politicians will have something to put in their pockets.  but seriously, if the government is honest, tax is one way for the government to maintain its development and services.  One of the reasons why the US of A is developed is that the government implement high tax to sustain the government activities.  Without people taxing, the government won't have any funds to spend and will continue to be underdeveloped.

Freedom doesn't mean evading responsibilities.

[Taskford]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

Why would you avoid taxes?  It is our duty as citizens of a country.  We need to pay taxes so that greedy politicians will have something to put in their pockets.  but seriously, if the government is honest, tax is one way for the government to maintain its development and services.  One of the reasons why the US of A is developed is that the government implement high tax to sustain the government activities.  Without people taxing, the government won't have any funds to spend and will continue to be underdeveloped.

Freedom doesn't mean evading responsibilities.

Correct its out duty as citizen to pay tax since if there's no tax circulating on our country there's no development will happen to our country so avoid thinking about avoiding that since in the first place we are the one who will suffer since we might experience to get limited services for having that. If they are worrying about their tax being corrupted by those greedy politician well maybe its best for them to choose who's more better official there is a election and people have power to choose their leader so choose wisely on that.

[Wiwo]

My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.

Exchange is a cardinal point to bitcoin adoption and usage in fact exchange is a primary factor that contribute to bitcoin scalability if truly we want to see bitcoin mainstream adoption then the exchange is the vehicle to achieving that.
Why some feel exchange are anti-Bitcoin and road lock to bitcoin success is because of the number of bad factors that are emanating from exchange operations such as hack and exit scams perpetrated by exchange owners which in turn give bitcoin a public bad image. But bitcoin users are now becoming well informed as to how to relate with exchange cautiously by not storing their large funds on the exchange because it is better to have your Bitcoin held in a private wallet that only you know the keys to that wallet.

[ethereumhunter]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

One of the efforts of the state government to legalize crypto is indeed to be able to apply taxes with the aim of these taxes as a source of state financial income.
So we as wise crypto users can take the positive side of the tax that can make a country legalize crypto and on the other hand to help the country from financial inflation.
If you say that not all crypto users are not rich, I justify it and the taxes that are applied are also not the same for each user because the amount of tax that is applied depends on the amount of crypto assets held and the amount of assets when making a transaction, so there is a difference from any taxes requested.

Hopefully, the government will pay attention to the fact that each crypto user has different assets. But with the 4 year cycle of bitcoin, the amount of tax that will remit to the government will increase drastically because, at that time, a crypto user can have potential assets that can increase. On that 4 year cycle, he may have huge profits from its assets. And that would cost him huge taxes.

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

Why would you avoid taxes?  It is our duty as citizens of a country.  We need to pay taxes so that greedy politicians will have something to put in their pockets.  but seriously, if the government is honest, tax is one way for the government to maintain its development and services.  One of the reasons why the US of A is developed is that the government implement high tax to sustain the government activities.  Without people taxing, the government won't have any funds to spend and will continue to be underdeveloped.

Freedom doesn't mean evading responsibilities.

I'm not saying I'm going to avoid taxes. I know that paying is our obligation as citizens. Taxes do contribute to the development of a country. But unfortunately, if there are still greedy politicians or corrupt officials, the tax money may not distribute in the right direction. And it's no secret that there are still officials or officials who take tax money for corruption.

But the government should recalculate the amount of tax they want to apply to crypto users and maybe if they want to discuss with crypto activists or crypto users, they can find out that all crypto users don't mean people who have a lot of money.

[kotajikikox]

Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. ..., at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!

Shying away from taxes, wanting to remain 100% anonymous and not integrating with the economy is one of the reason bitcoin owners are accused of illegal business because no one can actually tell what they do and how they do it.

But it will be difficult for us to avoid taxes because the government can easily find people who don't want to pay taxes. But if the government wants to understand how much tax must be paid by crypto users and not apply too high taxes, I think crypto users might want to pay taxes. After all, not all crypto users are rich people with lots of money and other sources of income.

But how could they put Taxes in crypto? this is why government wanted to enter the crypto market so at least they can figure out how to take money from us , and this is the argument that until now is up.
but for me? i am in favor of this so they might consider legalization and adoption in early time.