What would be an ideal KYC solution?

[Ebede]

Fortunately I will say that a casino verification is something that will determine or attest that this person is credible and also part of the platform by 4 ft documentation to the platform but some people do not like to accept some verification of kyc in a platform because I find it very difficult to verify why it is something that protect you from having a miss found in your account

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[Desmong]

Fortunately I will say that a casino verification is something that will determine or attest that this person is credible and also part of the platform by 4 ft documentation to the platform but some people do not like to accept some verification of kyc in a platform because I find it very difficult to verify why it is something that protect you from having a miss found in your account

KYC is good most time to verify the identities of users and need to be less for requirements. Some casinos asking for KYC do have another purposes for this which is why many gamblers do not like to use a KYC casinos. I can see that some of the verification is to ensure the users identities so that there will be less complains from users a out account problem or difficulties.

[Newlifebtc]

Fortunately I will say that a casino verification is something that will determine or attest that this person is credible and also part of the platform by 4 ft documentation to the platform but some people do not like to accept some verification of kyc in a platform because I find it very difficult to verify why it is something that protect you from having a miss found in your account

KYC is good most time to verify the identities of users and need to be less for requirements. Some casinos asking for KYC do have another purposes for this which is why many gamblers do not like to use a KYC casinos. I can see that some of the verification is to ensure the users identities so that there will be less complains from users a out account problem or difficulties.

Kyc is very important except that it's people that does not know the essence of kyc because if you work online then you will know that a platform giving you an order for kyc verification means that they want to put it your your account and also your phones created so that when anything happen to eat on an entire that is to show that you are one of them because all your documents have been very fine but some people does not understand it that way

[Larvea]

Text to image generation software using deep machine learning,
can already generate KYC images and ID documentation that can pass KYC acceptance levels.

The issue for KYC is being able to determine if there is a real person at the other side of the process.

I didn't know about this, do you have any examples which I could take a look at?

I'm aware that AI content is entering it's renaissance period, I'm dodging those AI writers as crazy this year, but to generate KYC imagery is a new thing that I didn't know exists  

There are no off the shelf services made for this specific purpose, at least none that I'm aware of, also I suspect that any currently available off the shelf text to AI service would have anti-counterfeit features in-built.

However given a combination of:
1: sufficient motivation
2: an imagination and an IQ slightly above the average intellect of  recent respondents to this thread
3: access to the correct training data such as the imagery stored in any kyc data base of any existing casino
4: the ethical values of the average casino owner

then it is my opinion that the quality of the image reproduction possible at current levels is sufficiently high enough to produce persuasive results. The quality of that imagery is improving at an exponential rate. I believe also that the Equivalent levels of high quality real-time video is not far off if not already within the realms of possibility.

I have already stated that KYC data is of high commercial value to a casino like stake.com. They are exerting high pressure on players to hand over that data at minimum cost before any legislation prevents them from doing this. Selling access to a KYC database for the purpose of building a text to image training model for deep fake ID image generation, is just one example of how players can be exploited beyond the traditional levels of exploitation you'd expect from the average online casino.

This is quite smart and would be possible. It would be interesting to see how the casinos would battle an influx of fake documents... This would most likely create another completely opposite industry (e.g. software to detect fake documents).

[Jawhead999]

However why this 1xbit spammers are saying KYC casino is good? what I know 1xbit is a casino that doesn't require KYC, so does this mean 1xbit is a bad casino?

This is quite smart and would be possible. It would be interesting to see how the casinos would battle an influx of fake documents... This would most likely create another completely opposite industry (e.g. software to detect fake documents).

There's no tools that has a perfect system to distinguish between fake documents and legit documents, those tools only give a percentage of possible the documents got edited. False positive could happen, it would make a genuine gambler got accused, this is why requiring KYC is pointless.

[AicecreaME]

There is no solution.

Centralized Casino always required you "KYC", never believe any casino who offers you "Without-KYC" from Centralized Casino. A casino who offering without KYC is always Decentralized CASINO while the type gambling is on-chain gambling (Using smart-contract without any developer touch). But the problem for Decentralized Casino, we really have limited gambling game (Most the time, Dice-chain or Lottery).

Always be ready for "KYC". My advice, play on casino who have higher minimum withdraw for required "KYC". Example like "Stake", I already tested withdraw 10,000$ they not ask me KYC.

Most of the casinos nowadays really require a KYC because they are being regulated by the government. In this case, you'll know that they are already in centralized manner. Most casinos are like this because they have to adapt from the changes, otherwise, their operations might put into halt if they won't follow the authorities. Although yes, there are still casinos which do not require such. However, like what you said, the games are limited and they are only a few of them left as well.

There are also casinos who claim to having no KYC but on the latter part when you are going to withdraw your funds and prizes, they'll hold your account because you have to undergo the verification process. In this instance, you should be careful on where to play and where to sign up because you might be surprised at the end of the day.

[ethereumhunter]

This is quite smart and would be possible. It would be interesting to see how the casinos would battle an influx of fake documents... This would most likely create another completely opposite industry (e.g. software to detect fake documents).

Maybe falsification of documents to verify gambling accounts can happen. Still, it won't happen forever because the casino will look for ways to prevent it. Maybe later, there will be face identification of each gambler so that the casino will know that the account owner is really valid. We have seen that some exchanges are already doing face verification and this may also be implemented in casinos that want to have real members with the documents they have.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

However why this 1xbit spammers are saying KYC casino is good? what I know 1xbit is a casino that doesn't require KYC, so does this mean 1xbit is a bad casino?

This is quite smart and would be possible. It would be interesting to see how the casinos would battle an influx of fake documents... This would most likely create another completely opposite industry (e.g. software to detect fake documents).

There's no tools that has a perfect system to distinguish between fake documents and legit documents, those tools only give a percentage of possible the documents got edited. False positive could happen, it would make a genuine gambler got accused, this is why requiring KYC is pointless.

If a gambler decided on what he wants, define his search and go after it, there's nothing bad about that, KYC is nit a thing of force to do, it has to be an optional decision to take and the extent to how you can research and trust the findings from your search is what should be considered, but we need to emphasize that casinos need not to frame things up about their KYC requirements before gamblers to engage them and later regret their decision in choosing them, which means there must be transparency in whatsoever thing we do.

[YOSHIE]

With all the KYC talk lately I wanted to open up a thread and ask about your opinion.

I've been seeing quite a lot of users who have gambled at well-known casinos lately, complaining for various reasons, it's because of the ineffective KYC verification system, so that it is easy for users who do not want to accept their defeat when betting at online casinos to carry out the element of risk of accusations, fraud and crime.

In my opinion to avoid all the risks of crime against online casinos from users who blame various kinds of bonuses, multi-accounts and so on, in the system minimizing kyc a good and smart foundation to reduce the activity of several loopholes and manipulations such as fraud crimes in general.

On the one hand, a KYC strategy based on digital online casinos will drive transformation and will create multiple identity experiences for the casino as a whole, for example: KYC electronically the casino can get to know customers or users in detail, if a crime occurs as I said above at a later date.

[QueenVera]

This thing is very easy but it also all depends on how we the users see this things.
Most times we should not blame this casinos because this things aren't in their control and they also have regulations they have to stick to and abide by.
Just as this gambling regulatory bodies are the hope of the common gambler, we also have to know that there are law that wouldn't favour us the users.
One thing is sure that if this casinos were to work on their on principles and policies, they would want to dance to every tune of the common player but most times they have to follow the policies of the regulatory bodies.

[Cookdata]

Fortunately I will say that a casino verification is something that will determine or attest that this person is credible and also part of the platform by 4 ft documentation to the platform but some people do not like to accept some verification of kyc in a platform because I find it very difficult to verify why it is something that protect you from having a miss found in your account

KYC is good most time to verify the identities of users and need to be less for requirements. Some casinos asking for KYC do have another purposes for this which is why many gamblers do not like to use a KYC casinos. I can see that some of the verification is to ensure the users identities so that there will be less complains from users a out account problem or difficulties.

I'm going to quote both of you for shitposting and spamming the thread with your never-ending 1xbit signature. Did 1xbit tell you to tell people that an Identify account would aid in the identification of people's funds? That is deceptive, and please refrain from disseminating false information. What happened to the emails and mobile numbers they all requested? I believe the same 1xbit has that option, as well as an ID number for each player/user.

KYC is a choice, and I will continue to refuse it. Only if you know how the mini war that has been going on with Binance and some users on Twitter space these few days, you would not want anyone to know your identity because they will come after you both online and offline, you must not trust anyone with your documents.

[8rch7]

We have to allow all regulation from casino gambling trough required with KYC or not, I don't think have serious problem when submitting KYC in casino account because we have upload document ID on exchange market although have been collapse like FTX. Securing or not our document used in casino gambling later actually depend with how reputation from one casino, I think we know about experience and trusted casino allowed for KYC.

Don't blame with any one still not agree with KYC in casino gambling, you can get many casino not requiring with KYC but you have accepted term term of service limited withdrawing and depositing your fund.

[LUCKMCFLY]

KYC seems here to stay already even the decentralized casinos that are yet not asking for KYC may actually ask if they are sanctioned. There is Betfury and the likes, I think they are not asking KYC AFAIK but until when?

Crypto is regulated. We're likely not going to escape this regulation unless you completely isolate yourself to a close crypto community with unknown coin.

Well, the truth is that up to now Betfury has not had any problem with it, however, it must be pointed out that when there are things like casinos, or exchanges that are decentralized, there will always be problems when things do not go well, the player cannot be wrong because to have Attention must also be difficult to obtain, however, a casino that does not ask for KYC or a pkatafrma that does not ask for KYC is freebitco.in and everything has turned out wonderfully, if they can I think it is a reason for others to do it too something to soften this requirement, perhaps they are not so radical with that part of rigorously demanding KYC but rather they ask for it in a very simple way without so many required papers or documentation.

[danherbias07]

We have to allow all regulation from casino gambling trough required with KYC or not, I don't think have serious problem when submitting KYC in casino account because we have upload document ID on exchange market although have been collapse like FTX. Securing or not our document used in casino gambling later actually depend with how reputation from one casino, I think we know about experience and trusted casino allowed for KYC.

Don't blame with any one still not agree with KYC in casino gambling, you can get many casino not requiring with KYC but you have accepted term term of service limited withdrawing and depositing your fund.

Reputation will always be the key. I don't mind sending my information to a well-known gambling platform. It's just the same as how I trust a reputable exchange with my details to enable maximizing the withdrawal limit benefits. Because that's just how it is, when they grow bigger as a company they tend to be a target by the government using the money laundering act.
What I don't really like about KYC's is the annual updates, I think they should stretch this up to 2-3 years before they re-check the players if they are changes with their profiles.

[coinerer]

We have to allow all regulation from casino gambling trough required with KYC or not, I don't think have serious problem when submitting KYC in casino account because we have upload document ID on exchange market although have been collapse like FTX. Securing or not our document used in casino gambling later actually depend with how reputation from one casino, I think we know about experience and trusted casino allowed for KYC.

Don't blame with any one still not agree with KYC in casino gambling, you can get many casino not requiring with KYC but you have accepted term term of service limited withdrawing and depositing your fund.

Reputation will always be the key. I don't mind sending my information to a well-known gambling platform. It's just the same as how I trust a reputable exchange with my details to enable maximizing the withdrawal limit benefits. Because that's just how it is, when they grow bigger as a company they tend to be a target by the government using the money laundering act.
What I don't really like about KYC's is the annual updates, I think they should stretch this up to 2-3 years before they re-check the players if they are changes with their profiles.

Yes it is true and I agree with you that we are willing to give our information to a place where our personal information will be kept safe.  So in this case it will depend on the reputation of the exchanger or any gambling site or any site.  If I know a site to be very trustworthy and think that they will never commit illegal acts or fraud, I am definitely willing to give my personal documents there.  Because I have full faith in them.  But I will not give kyc document for any site which I don't know well and its reputation is not high.

[AicecreaME]

This is quite smart and would be possible. It would be interesting to see how the casinos would battle an influx of fake documents... This would most likely create another completely opposite industry (e.g. software to detect fake documents).

Maybe falsification of documents to verify gambling accounts can happen. Still, it won't happen forever because the casino will look for ways to prevent it. Maybe later, there will be face identification of each gambler so that the casino will know that the account owner is really valid. We have seen that some exchanges are already doing face verification and this may also be implemented in casinos that want to have real members with the documents they have.

Some people still do falsification of documents because some casinos' security isn't tight yet regarding this matter. This is the reason why some underage people are able to make an account despite the age limit stated on the TOS of the casino. Although most likely in the future this will also be resolved since the technology is now advancing continuously. Precautionary measure such as KYC can limit the illegal activities that could be done inside the casinos. It also serves as a good way to verify the identity of the person making an account, but as of now there are loopholes such as the aforementioned that needs to be addressed.

Some exchangers are indeed doing face recognitions before you can successfully make an account. This is to verify that you are really the holder of the identification card and it is not just stolen or bought from someone. This might be implemented in casinos too if they will prioritize security and exclusivity of their site to those who can only pass the requirements needed to open an account.

[Ghostnipple]

Fortunately I will say that a casino verification is something that will determine or attest that this person is credible and also part of the platform by 4 ft documentation to the platform but some people do not like to accept some verification of kyc in a platform because I find it very difficult to verify why it is something that protect you from having a miss found in your account

KYC is good most time to verify the identities of users and need to be less for requirements. Some casinos asking for KYC do have another purposes for this which is why many gamblers do not like to use a KYC casinos. I can see that some of the verification is to ensure the users identities so that there will be less complains from users a out account problem or difficulties.

I'm going to quote both of you for shitposting and spamming the thread with your never-ending 1xbit signature. Did 1xbit tell you to tell people that an Identify account would aid in the identification of people's funds? That is deceptive, and please refrain from disseminating false information. What happened to the emails and mobile numbers they all requested? I believe the same 1xbit has that option, as well as an ID number for each player/user.

KYC is a choice, and I will continue to refuse it. Only if you know how the mini war that has been going on with Binance and some users on Twitter space these few days, you would not want anyone to know your identity because they will come after you both online and offline, you must not trust anyone with your documents.

I'm happy to see an intelligent response. Reading through the forum in the last days, l'm left with the image of the parasite that poisons the host from which it feeds by shitting in its own food supply, and a host who's health is in rapid decline.

[ethereumhunter]

This is quite smart and would be possible. It would be interesting to see how the casinos would battle an influx of fake documents... This would most likely create another completely opposite industry (e.g. software to detect fake documents).

Maybe falsification of documents to verify gambling accounts can happen. Still, it won't happen forever because the casino will look for ways to prevent it. Maybe later, there will be face identification of each gambler so that the casino will know that the account owner is really valid. We have seen that some exchanges are already doing face verification and this may also be implemented in casinos that want to have real members with the documents they have.

Some people still do falsification of documents because some casinos' security isn't tight yet regarding this matter. This is the reason why some underage people are able to make an account despite the age limit stated on the TOS of the casino. Although most likely in the future this will also be resolved since the technology is now advancing continuously. Precautionary measure such as KYC can limit the illegal activities that could be done inside the casinos. It also serves as a good way to verify the identity of the person making an account, but as of now there are loopholes such as the aforementioned that needs to be addressed.

Some exchangers are indeed doing face recognitions before you can successfully make an account. This is to verify that you are really the holder of the identification card and it is not just stolen or bought from someone. This might be implemented in casinos too if they will prioritize security and exclusivity of their site to those who can only pass the requirements needed to open an account.

Now that you mentioned that this might be why some underage people could create accounts and verify them, this could allow them to assume adult identities freely. But let's hope I'm wrong and that no underage person creates an account using an adult identity. If this did happen, the casino would tighten up the rules and it would be possible for the casino to ask them to do an online scan of the account holder to make sure they are the same person.

Actually, KYC for casinos is currently also needed to anticipate illegal activities where casinos certainly don't want to be associated with that activity. And this makes casinos pay attention to KYC issues, even though not all casinos will implement KYC for all of their members and only for some members.

[TopTort777]

How many of you, that posted in this topic, were asked to pass KYC in a casino? How many of you were asked to pass KYC after winning hell out of money? I cant say that I gamble online every day, have wagered billions and immediately register at every new casino, but I have never been asked to pass KYC in casinos. The only kind of weird stuff I was asked to do by casinos is to add 2FA while withdrawing. Strange that they did not ask to add 2FA when depositing

I wont say new if I say that ideal KYC is no KYC at all, but probably giving less personal data will be an ideal KYC. Because also KYC can be faked. Which makes passing it a joke. Making a photo or video of login process with KYC will be more than enough to prove that accounts belongs to you.

[Ben Barubal]

How many of you, posting on this topic, have been asked to pass KYC to a casino? How many of you have been asked to pass KYC after winning money hell? I can't say that I gamble online every day, bet billions and immediately register at every new casino, but I have never been asked to pass KYC to casinos. The only kind of weird thing that casinos have asked me to do is add 2FA during withdrawals. Strange that they didn't ask to add 2FA when depositing.

It's a bit strange Sir, and I think it's safer if 2FA is activated because only you will know the code and no one else will and it can't be cheated either. The casino you mention is good if that's the case.

I won't say new if I say that the ideal KYC is no KYC at all, but probably giving less personal data will be an ideal KYC. Because even KYC can be faked. Which makes passing it a joke. Taking a photo or video of the login process with KYC will be more than enough to prove that the accounts belong to you.

That's right here Sir because it's true that the KYC can be cheated, especially if there is no video call or if there is, the person talking may have been oriented by the gambler and there was an agreement between the KYC owner.