A dream for CPU-Miners

[halalsolutions]

Democracy is power to the people. We deliver Power to the people

[JayDDee]

Hot swapping isn't needed for mining with CPUs or anything else. I already mentioned the real problem with scaling CPU mining.
An expensive carrier board that adds unnecessary features doesn't do it. Any solution needs to be cheap.

There might be a market for what you're building, but mining isn't it.

[halalsolutions]

You are looking from a different point of view it seems. In your eyes you are mining with one CPU only and try to be decentralized.
I think (?).

So you think its is less expensive to buy one SBC which costs lets say 120$ as like a VIM3 for example.

Ok..

The ordinary miner is checking how much it costs and how rentable it is. So if it makes sense he wants to scale up quickly.

Now my point is what happens if you buy 28 of such SBC's

so 28x 120$ = 3360
Our Board costs currently at a low amount of 100 pieces = 1499€ (at kickstarter)
= 1861€ left for Modules.

For the SBC's you need:
28x Ethernet cables = 28$ depending on lenths
28x Powercables (not all SBC's do PoE) = 28$
And a PSU to power all of them = Don't know 100$
Or 28x 5.90$ if you choose psu per module

Let's say around about 156$ on top, you would save in first round of adding modules. (1x ATX 350W PSU and 1x Ethernet = 26 + 1 =27€ would be needed).

The idea of our board is that you can just replace the Modules with a new generation of Hardware.

So the invest of 1499€ for the board was done only once.

Now you have the benefit that you can use "cost-effective and flexible configurable Compute Modules", instead of just another fully equipped SBC with stuff like Audio, Ethernet, USB, HDMI and whatever connectors you just don't need again.

So the new batch of 28 SBC's would cost much more in the moment of investment, than the "second" batch of Modules for the very same "already" paid ARMedONE.

The third time you add new Hardware saves again money compared to SBC's
and so on.

And thats what i mean also with democratic. It's cost effective(higher accessible) and the longer you stay in mining, the more often you want to upgrade, the better.
As said the price depends as usually on demand. The more people support it, the better and the prices go down and we can create "together" low cost core-modules.
If we reach the second step of creating modules, i can imagine to make the design and layout open source.

[JayDDee]

You are looking from a different point of view it seems. In your eyes you are mining with one CPU only and try to be decentralized.
I think (?).

What part of "scaling" makes you think that?

You're fixated on SBx clusters and trying to sell the concept for mining. Mining doesn't benefit from formal clustering.
IP networks, PCIe, USB all work just as well.

ASIC miners have a small control board and multiple hash boards. GPU mining rigs have multiple GPUs using PCIe.
Why not do something similar? Xeon Phi was an overpriced PCIe compute module that never found a market. It was also lousy
at mining but the concept solves the scaling problem for CPU mining. Common sense would also suggest that fewer, larger CPUs
would scale better than a larger number of SBMs.
 

[halalsolutions]

SBC consists of more elements than required to act as a Server or Miner.
Can you agree on that? This is the reason Compute Modules do exist. They have less parts on it but all features as long the carrier board covers the I/O

So let's say the same computer as SBC costs 120 but as Module only 57. Technically the same just minus all the connectors and less production costs and complexity.

And now you put all of them together on a single carrier (28 in that case).

From our experience larger CPU's scale badly as they consume more power than several small ARM SBC's. And if we take now the overhead of unecessary parts out of the SBC's, than we get a point of Ressource saving / less impact on environment / less costs / less power consumption / flexible availbility on the market / and scaling means also scaling based on users pocket.

[FP91G]

The problem is that your motherboards will start selling from August September 2023. If there are working samples, then I'm interested in watching a video review with consumption and profit in mining. So far, I don’t understand how to calculate the payback and what coins can be mined.

[halalsolutions]

Due to illness the sample production will start Tuesday.
We are going to prepare mining relevant infos before the launch of the campaign.

[loveselenagomez]

Actually miners still used CPU to mine coins. But, as more people are interested in coin mining, the mining process became more difficult since Hashrate is increased. And now GPU Hashrate is higher than CPU.

[halalsolutions]

2 good news:
1. we got today the qualification for funding R&D for the board for server use cases (EU Fund)

2. production of number one and so we should be able to launch the Kickstarter campaign in a few days.



We are now also preparing a model inside a nice case for mining purposes as well as one workstation.

My duty is to show cpu Mining and profitability as well as Alexandria (a proof of storage) and last but not least Transcendence Trusted Nodes (worlds first decentralized trading-botnet)

Stay tuned. Rollercoaster incoming

I will prepare a video about cpu Mining Xbtx and how much better arm performs there than anything else.

[joker_josue]

2 good news:
1. we got today the qualification for funding R&D for the board for server use cases (EU Fund)

What is this server use case?
Can you specify or is it still a secret?

Are you only focused on this article, or do you already have other products made?

[halalsolutions]

I can’t share in depth details without asking first but as hint: all major forces on earth are in a race for Computational supremacy.
We try to enhance the availability and options of upgrade paths and make the infrastructure future proof.
Minimizing impact on the environment and the problem of getting hardware at all in crisis situations.
On the other hand we cramp a lot of Server into a single server case (28 to 1) so we can quickly create backup solutions for hacked data centers which are system relevant. And in best case in a mobile solution.

There is more but that’s what I find exciting. #resilience

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/armedone-clusterboard-to-start-the-era-of-sustainable-cryptomining-2022-12-12?mod=search_headline

Most of us are focused on Software solutions.
I had some hardware projects in the past.

For me all projects are piece of a bigger picture. Slowly getting there ; )

[FP91G]

Actually miners still used CPU to mine coins. But, as more people are interested in coin mining, the mining process became more difficult since Hashrate is increased. And now GPU Hashrate is higher than CPU.

You write nonsense. The hashrate of a coin primarily depends on the algorithm.
If you think that GPUs are superior to CPUs, then try mining Monero with the RandomX algorithm on GPU. It's not a shitcoin.
Try to improve these results.
https://xmrig.com/benchmark
And not all algorithms will win mobile solutions, so you need to understand for which algorithms to buy equipment.

[halalsolutions]

Excactly it depends on the algorithms.
Next year I believe they will start implement energy labels to blockchains and only cpu focused algorithms make sense than. Besides of course proof of stake / Masternodes.

In all 3 areas i see the ARMedONE.
Cpu mineable coins which also feature Tokenization on chain will get better energy rating than pure payment focused chains.

[joker_josue]

Next year I believe they will start implement energy labels to blockchains and only cpu focused algorithms make sense than. Besides of course proof of stake / Masternodes.

This doesn't make any sense, energy labels for blockchains.

What dictates whether a blockchain uses more or less energy is the equipment used for mining. Which tend to, as technology evolves, consume less energy.

That is why it is not the blockchains that have to have energy labels, but the equipment used for mining.

[halalsolutions]

It makes sense if you look at it that way:
1. what is the purpose
2. how much energy is consumed to achieve that

Let’s say the only purpose is transaction verification
Than you can compare how much energy is consumed to achieve that

Also you can make any blockchain „greener“ if it does more at the same time than just provide a payment option.
For example it could hold assets and security tokens.
Same energy but more action.

So even if you put the same energy in both , the one which offers more functionality at same consumption is more efficient

[joker_josue]

So even if you put the same energy in both , the one which offers more functionality at same consumption is more efficient

It may be, but the more information to be processed, the greater the energy consumption.

That is, it will not be the blockchain that will be greener, but the hardware that will have to be able to process more data with the same energy consumption. Blockchain can only promote a greener idea, but it's not the blockchain that deals with energy consumption, it's the hardware.

[FP91G]

If we are talking about reducing energy consumption, then there is a very simple rule. It is possible to develop an energy-efficient ASIC based on mobile processors, but the number of miners will depend on the mining profit on this coin. Even if one company has a monopoly for a while, Bitmain can quickly make its decisions.

[halalsolutions]

You are still not getting the Point of ASIC-resistant algorithms ; )
What motivation should Bitmain have to build something when the community is strictly against it and will change the Code ?

Take zCash.. they sold their souls back then. Thats it. If the foundation had a different plan than making some bucks (who knows who got what behind the scenes), there would be no ASIC mining for zCash. (well ok it was GPU not CPU but also that is just a decision)

[halalsolutions]

Made for eternity ; )

[joker_josue]

The equipment is funny.

What kind of plates is it to take? Are you going to sell with the structure or not?