I have been subjected to harassment

[digaran]

Were the 10 k BTC real and were they moved for real? If MikeJ could post here saying that he owns the said address, it'd be great. Note that nothing about this should be discussed in private, if this is about stolen coins, we might be able to (*have a piece, just act normal and let me lead.) find some details and help to return them back to their rightful owners.



*=lol.

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[albert0bsd]

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

I will send you anything that he send me, thanks

For my wellbeing and mental health I am not going to give much importance to this.

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TL;DR
any chance to write this a little more succinctly?

Agree...

this is his word vs my word

This is funny:

went on a island vacation for 3 weeks as expressed in chat with others and proof provided.

LOL where, please tell me to which paradise island i went?

I was on vacations from monday 5 to sunday 11. That week was really a relief i stay at home and do workout, talk with my friends and do home stuff.

It as was only a week, my first week vacations in some two years and I only stay at home doing workout and housekeeping.
But, I don't owe you any explanation, if you want to believe that i was in dubai or something like that it is up to you, you can belive anything that you want, only in your imagination anything is possible.

Some  of your last email:

You can send me 50% of my wallet ......  or i will report it to the secret service and mexicos federal police and have it taken seized. you have caused enough problems and risked my wifes life due to not having her care..  so you send me 50% or end up with nothing.

you have  24 hours....

Please tell us how i risk the life of your wife ??

Secret service? They only worry about U.S president and staff no?. You have seen too many movies right?

Mexico Federal Police? Please tell them, I DON'T CARE beacuse i never steal anything in my life.

"you have  24 hours...."

Code:

28 Nov, 2022: Last chance .... and FYI
13 Feb, 2023: last time
15 Feb, 2023: you have  24 hours....

I'm seeing a pattern here: Barking dog does not bite

The data that you send me is pretty much like this message

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433576.msg61566341#msg61566341

Everybody is telling you that your data is wrong and it doesn't mean anything.

Can you @MikeJ_NpC provide a signed messsage proving that it was your address?

I already know the answer: NO you can't make a signed message proving that it was your address.

[FatFork]

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OP, that's a very long read. I got bored and didn't particularly feel like going through the entirety, so I ended up skimming the rest after reading the first half. Obviously, it's possible I missed something, so feel free to correct me if I've got something wrong.

A few of my observations:

• You don't have valid proof that it was actually your wallet? Obviously, you can't prove ownership by signing an address if you don't have access to the private key. But, do you think you can prove where the funds came from by providing evidence of some previous deposits?
  
• As ETFbitcoin already mentioned, the address "1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK" appears to be part of the MtGox wallet. How do you explain that?
  
• You claim that albert0bsd was the only one who had access to your data, but here you said that at least two people had it:
  

   only 2 people had it both well known on here....
  

• Based on the information you've presented, it doesn't appear to be solid evidence that albert0bsd has taken "your" money. However, if you strongly believe otherwise and have supporting evidence, I recommend that you contact the relevant authorities.

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

Well, good luck with that. Please keep us posted!  


Just to add some more information for anyone interested, walletexplorer.com indicates that the address 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK belongs to this wallet: [0860b59aaa], the same address was mentioned for the first time on the bitcointalk forum here, and was frequently mentioned in the context of those fake wallet.dat scams. Just my two satoshis... Draw your own conclusion.

[MikeJ_NpC]

The funds are not  part of Gox those are all clearly marked on the chain already... so i dont concur with that ... If anything its private or its BTC-e which i was going to have my lawyer handle the legal issues, if any at all... This is why i said do not move the wallet ... When frankly i had forgotten about all of that upon the excitement and all,.  when the odds on even getting data like this is 1 in 5000 billion or something along those odds.
More so the shared K data i have does elude to ownership just like anyone else who has claimed wallets in the past on their own merit. Also if i had not issued this data then the wallet would still be sitting there. I wont touch upon the fork which was left behind as i did previously. So my claim on it is more than anyone else has had and i also have the dat but that's beside the point.
Yes It was 2 people, and i left that email there to be open,  the other person has been a part of bitcoin since this forum began, they declined to assist on it citing other matters came up. Their word goes far beyond Luis here and for what its worth when it occurred yes i spoke to them also; which was more than what i received with luis.
Clearly the emails are deceptive and his excuses to the pattern of behavior which was carried out, come on now. In addition i spoke to the person he asked for assistance from, so that combined with the time line its pretty obvious who it was. I wont go into the mistakes that were made like using their own node and other things.... also if i get lawyers involved they will pull the data and will just correlate to the same notions.
To be fair i have had another person review this who is not involved in this or the forums or bitcoin in any way what so ever and just read the emails, they come out to the same obvious result.. I dont shit where i eat, clearly that is what was done ... i was more than clear and fair from the start and had the data for months prior and tried to do it myself to avoid this kind of trouble due to the size and stigma behind the wallet. 
the point remains the data was is relevant and asserts ownership. Im not a douche-bag here .. when it should be the victim regardless. I shouldn't be treated any different than other members who have done this let alone the aspects which i will save myself from repeating.

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OP, that's a very long read. I got bored and didn't particularly feel like going through the entirety, so I ended up skimming the rest after reading the first half. Obviously, it's possible I missed something, so feel free to correct me if I've got something wrong.

A few of my observations:

• You don't have valid proof that it was actually your wallet? Obviously, you can't prove ownership by signing an address if you don't have access to the private key. But, do you think you can prove where the funds came from by providing evidence of some previous deposits?
  
• As ETFbitcoin already mentioned, the address "1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK" appears to be part of the MtGox wallet. How do you explain that?
  
• You claim that albert0bsd was the only one who had access to your data, but here you said that at least two people had it:
  

  only 2 people had it both well known on here....
  

• Based on the information you've presented, it doesn't appear to be solid evidence that albert0bsd has taken "your" money. However, if you strongly believe otherwise and have supporting evidence, I recommend that you contact the relevant authorities.

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

Well, good luck with that. Please keep us posted! 


Just to add some more information for anyone interested, walletexplorer.com indicates that the address 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK belongs to this wallet: [0860b59aaa], the same address was mentioned for the first time on the bitcointalk forum here, and was frequently mentioned in the context of those fake wallet.dat scams. Just my two satoshis... Draw your own conclusion.

Luis im not going to bother to read you're attempting to pick my things apart when you cant even account for your own actions.
Anyways you shown no empathy and blocked everything,  that really seems like someone who "said" they wanted to help huh.
I have told you a number of times to stop the nonsense, ... which i attribute this entire thread and the title to be part of that. 

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[albert0bsd]

Anyways you shown no empathy

What you expected? I feel a little sorry for you and you wife but there is millions of people with cancer in the world, I can't be sad for all of them rigth?

and blocked everything

Well if you open 3 proton mail accounts, one gmail account, a new telegram account, send messages in the github repository and Direct messages in this forum just to annoy me.
i guess that you will do the same no? Block that person  
I blocked you for my wellbeing and mental health
Would you consider refraining from such actions?

I have told you a number of times to stop the nonsense

Yes that is right you already said it a big number of times, also i already said that I did not steal anything.

The data that you send me is useless and everyone already said it to you, in your topic: Any particular meaning to this? K=z/s and R=X

[NotATether]

Just to add some more information for anyone interested, walletexplorer.com indicates that the address 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK belongs to this wallet: [0860b59aaa], the same address was mentioned for the first time on the bitcointalk forum here, and was frequently mentioned in the context of those fake wallet.dat scams. Just my two satoshis... Draw your own conclusion.

I'll have more to say about this particular nugget tomorrow.

[digaran]

@albert0bsd, does MikeJ_NPC know your real identity? If they don't know it, this might have been a trick all along to track you down, if indeed you actually were able to crack the wallet, this could be their vetting mechanism and by moving the funds you just passed their test and now they want you, they could be russians, chinese, essentially anyone/ group.
Either way they are after you and it could be that, it's not about the money, they wanna know who you are.

Just my theory.

Edit, I was hoping for something more dramatic.😉

[NotATether]

OK so as promised, here is a list of (public) information I have gathered so far about the case. Information provided here can be verified by anyone who is reading this post.

This is the transaction in which it is alleged that theft had took place in. https://blockstream.info/tx/c956359775facd455bdc6be7d2eb3ec18dd48ac2aaf838de206de64805d3dbb4

This is the address which MikeJ_NpC says is his: 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK

He also wrote to me that the address belongs to him on the basis that it is a dormant address and that he has RSZs corresponding to coins that (used to be) in that address. BTW, I have not yet confirmed whether the RSZs provided in the email exchange correspond to any of the addresses of interest.

This address is funded by two transactions of 5000BTC each which blockstream.info said is coin consolidation from 2014. Not really a big deal, it basically means it was an internal wallet transfer.

Both of those two funding transactions were made between December 21-22 2013 with what Blockstream day are round amounts (I.e. input amounts were specified in USD).

Inserting this address into walletexplorer yields: https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0860b59aaaf9aaa2?from_address=1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK

Which has had transaction activity throughout 2022 (and 2021, 20, 19, ...) with dust amounts all the way back to over 10 years ago (MikeJ could not explain where any of the funds to this address came from).

Just to be sure, I asked albert0bsd to provide me his list of wallet addresses by PM, which will tell us whether he has access to any of the coins which has now moved. This is not foolproof - but I'm trusting that he sends me all addresses and doesn't withhold anything, otherwise this check will be quite useless.

@albert0bsd, does MikeJ_NPC know your real identity? If they don't know it, this might have been a trick all along to track you down, if indeed you actually were able to crack the wallet, this could be their vetting mechanism and by moving the funds you just passed their test and now they want you, they could be russians, chinese, essentially anyone/ group.
Either way they are after you and it could be that, it's not about the money, they wanna know who you are.

Just my theory.

They both used their real names inside their email exchanges, as the email address name.

[albert0bsd]

I fail to understand how RSZ can be used to proof address ownership when anyone could obtain such information.

Agree with that, the only way to proof ownership is with a signed message.

I guess that @NotATether is referring to the RSZ values because is that kind of information that @MikeJ_NpC send me but that information is useless without a proper explanation, he send me some crafted values from a previous one.

Also is not he first time that someone came here with some crafted RSZ values claiming that it is useful to crack a wallet right?

Remember the guy with a 3350 btc challenge: Bitcoin puzzle (3,350.00 BTC's)

Just to be sure, I asked albert0bsd to provide me his list of wallet addresses by PM, which will tell us whether he has access to any of the coins which has now moved. This is not foolproof - but I'm trusting that he sends me all addresses and doesn't withhold anything, otherwise this check will be quite useless.

I already fulfill this request I send to @NotATether my last address, my first address and all Intermediate addreses that i have

I have not problem showing my last address, it is public, its on my github page also signed

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is my bitcoin address.
albert0bsd
18/02/2023
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Coffee1jV4gB5gaXfHgSHDz9xx9QSECVW
H7OpeJRljmu6W9WV6HeTyZH+5a60t2/JQwxrVSRrHsB2PR/i9snXRvGEIEZRG3DCT5sjo2DldroZxNIRJqLrGx4=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I understand more or less the way that NotATether is following, right now he is trying to proof if th wallet belongs to @MikeJ_NpC that is good.

But I also suggest to check if the information that Mike send me by email prior to 11/23/2022 is enough to recover the privatekey, becuase i doubt that without a proper explanation of the source and calculations of those values.

In one of the Mike's email he is refering he has two experts advising him with the values that he sent me.  

[digaran]

How does signing with some random addresses help in this case? Hoping for one of the involved parties to tell the truth and provide everything as they are, is beyond naivety.

[albert0bsd]

How does signing with some random addresses help in this case?

Just showing that is easy proof ownership over some address.

[digaran]

Ok, as long as there are no private key involved, meaning that Mike didn't have the private and couldn't have provided you with even a partial private key, there is no theft. However if you really did( not saying you did ) take the coins by forging a tx signature, Mike could sue you and get to the bottom of this case in no time, remember it's easy to hide financial activity in blockchain, but when it comes to fiat system, governments(courts) they know everything about you.

Moreover, if Mike manages to file a lawsuit against you but fails in the court, you could sue him and ask for compensations, at the end, the one who is telling the truth wins.

[MikeJ_NpC]

Okay luis listen, i am not here to read your made up bs  when i had enough of this crap as i outlined.  You saying it could of been the Russians is pretty stupid for a number of reasons, frankly no it was not, they cant even use swift which i doubt you thought of before asserting that.  i could say your mom did it and would correlate to the same thing.

So this is what is going to happen,.. you can either man up and resolve this with me, or continue to fool yourself when you are not with anyone else. You were lazy and careless on your test transaction there and i already have reports from chain state, iweb, aws and others.  You are impacting things in my life here which i am not going to allow anymore so if you want to think nothing will occur then your a idiot.
I will have you monitored and every dollar you make will be looked at, more so this cracking crap you do any gains from those will be treated as if its from my wallet. You and your friend will never be able to spend the funds and will be watched one way or another for the rest of your life. This inst a small amount of money and you had a liability when you took my data which you did under false pretense to burn me.

Look enough with your shit man, you were naive enough to cash out 300btc the day after it was moved and you went on vacation to some island for 3 1/2 weeks paid for by these funds. Where as in the same breathe you told me you cant afford a 1000 credit card bill... so this must of been the lotto then right?  The day you come back you posted this pathetic slander attempt and pulled the pitty card. or let me guess this was the Russians too or no wait it was your mom i forgot. Wrong it was you and there is a clear trail of intent to defraud me.
So i hope you enjoy the 300 btc it just serves as evidence against you and how your a low life luis .  So LLL you could of just released my wallet to me send half and while i would of been annoyed at least it would of been something fair, i didn't do this to be a hacker cracker like you i did this to help my wife which you are also affecting. Do you think you are able to determine if i file charges on you or something? No and i have not done so yet in an attempt to resolve things with you despite your blatant denial which is not a defense nor serves as a explanation on what occurred which is more than clear. You have wasted enough of my time and now are insulting my intelligence and putting others at risk. IT ends here and instead of trying to assert some childish narrative and possibly pulling the forum into this and the investigation, why dont you admit in private it was a mistake which i can understand but only for alittle bit longer. Despite the suggestions of firms located in Mexico to file charges with the federal police and pending a records pull from the broker who you processed funds with, i have held off for a few days to see if you have any common sense instead of thinking im an idiot or the people who read your crap. What do you think someone is going to come along and make this okay no its not 100 dollars were are talking about and you totally exposed yourself in multiple ways which there is no saying it was the other guy....

The mods agree with me on the wallet and the data and you took it upon yourself to be wreck-less with and took it upon yourself to burn me - well its not up to you to see how this really will play out.. because what i just went over in my prior posts let alone in this one doesn't bode well for you if you want to continue and be a punk. You are doing something here you cant just pretend or want to paint a incorrect narrative on when its only been selfish and blatantly obvious what went on here and can be proven by your own actions and the ones you refrained from doing,  via the reports pending completion or by the evidence that is in your face. I mean really you dont think there are records at the broker or anything else you did? ... even if not do you want to be looked at forever? ... I am not going anywhere so either you can be sued, charges filed if thats what is needed, or settle this with me as i have wanted to do for your mistake. You didn't listen to me then so do it now and it has to be before this coming Monday. No one feels sorry for you other than you not admitting your fallacy and correcting it as you are being given the chance.   I didn't need this shit, i waited and didn't mention what god dam wallet to avoid all of this but sadly no one wanted to give me the process on how to complete it over months of asking, be it as it may does not invalidate the crux of this which is i am the owner claimant and you have committed a crime which most people would do the opposite of what i have here... so if you want to end up with something and be a man okay, otherwise it will be nothing and very hard which i dont want to see as i have my own shit to contend with than someone who either has a weak moment or is a low life and makes software to steal from others which you have done.  Dont take my kindness or these 2 months as weakness,  release the wallet as it was not yours to do with as you please and had liabilities when you accepted to so called help me.  .... you can do it based on your merits or it can be taken from you when charges are filed as you already implicated yourself hope that trip was worth it.

My only mistake was trusting you after years of chatting and thinking you have some set of morals, well do you? or should i just throw out the olive branch and settle for slapping you in the face with reality...... WELL ? .... i dont have anymore patience to give you,  and i am not going to listen to excuses or shit that you are making up after the fact which contradict what you already did ..... save some face here and realize how it should be and what i am saying.
Last chance... There is no prove things, when you did it already back in November and December ... these past 2 months were me wondering what to do and being depressed about this and my wife , but does not mean i will do all i can to set this right, as anyone else would do.  Do you need a investigator to show up at your place to make this more urgent or relevant to you?  that can be arranged or you can start to take this seriously as you caused it. Those are the facts.
You took my data and did whatever with it and moved funds without my permission when i said not too, maybe you need to look all of that up to realize things. Dont know what you are expecting here ... and should be gracious that you have not been arrested yet, which has been suggested more than once to me.  Pull your head from your ass and resolve this before i just say whatever sue you and have it taken via raid or court alike.

i would even take the assertion that you used the SM2 SM3 suggestion that i had implied to attempt and does work.  During this whole nightmare you have shown no empathy or concern, really just the opposite.  You have no right to the funds or what you did on your own accord.
When i didn't say how much or what wallet, you were fine and confirmed it can be solved  and i outline clearly.... then when you receive the info your disinformation and  nonsense started ...  That is more than obvious and am not the only person to clearly see that. Have you tried to help at all the thing you said you would do? No.
You saying it wasn't you or whatever is not a defense and you cannot save any face here other than to admit to it and have it resolved.  Burden of proof is on you. I mean god dam it this is NOT what i wanted for this and WTF.  Anyone else in your shoes would be facing the same as outlined. Also im not here to destroy anyone and have some humility, but clearly the view is not that way for me or my outcome in this....

If i wanted to be obtuse then i would not of asked the mods here to arbitrate the matter before i do something else. However if i wanted to be cynical i could presume something is being worked out behind my back but they have not done anything to assert such a thought and taken steps to help resolve this as they know it was mine. Where as what have you done here and i outlined? ...  oh but you didnt know my name despite chatting for years... yeah  makes sense. =/
oh no,... it was "i asked you after it moved"or that "i never mentioned the 10k wallet" or that " there is nothing in the universe that can prove you moved it"  and other nonsense.... those are things you have said. i still have shown you respect while not deserving it and didn't block you or ignore things these aspects you did and still are.   I posted in here to balance out the perception as people who know me were saying things that were unacceptable and while i see disassociation and discredit and other negatives, anything else which shows you give a shit is missing and a  innocent person would not behave that way or in the least explain their own nonsense.  Accept the help i have asked others to try and resolve here or dont and can continue doing what has not worked unless im retarded.  Which i might be a little bit for trusting you with this. Anyone else in my shoes would not go thru this and just do what is relevant for them, but oh that's harassment and extortion to you.. i forgot  * rolleyes*

*sigh* i need to go take a walk .. maybe it should be off a cliff as im sure you would like *ha*
despite it all i still have done more here than others would ... so i have no qualms

Ok, as long as there are no private key involved, meaning that Mike didn't have the private and couldn't have provided you with even a partial private key, there is no theft. However if you really did( not saying you did ) take the coins by forging a tx signature, Mike could sue you and get to the bottom of this case in no time, remember it's easy to hide financial activity in blockchain, but when it comes to fiat system, governments(courts) they know everything about you.

Moreover, if Mike manages to file a lawsuit against you but fails in the court, you could sue him and ask for compensations, at the end, the one who is telling the truth wins.

Having the shared K is having the key ... dont try to circumvent the relevancy here.   
the odds on having that are 1 in 5000 billion and hold the same credit-ability... 


seems like to me some people need to read everything... not just the cliff notes summaries which are incorrect and didnt spend my time to be the only narrative here god dam it.  ( not you just saying in general )

oh but wait... we must have forgotten about this or the pundits who have verified the data huh ?



try again.  Also this was BEFORE sending him my data or him knowing what wallet or the amount.. which yielded the only honest thing he has said.  when shared k was clearly being discussed


yes doing that is always an option but i rather he have the merit and keep his word ... this is why i didnt mention what wallet or the amount for  months prior when i was looking for clarification on the last step i was stuck on.  unfortunately that info is not widely discussed.

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[digaran]

@Mike, who are these staff members you keep mentioning? I haven seen any staff involved here, maybe you have mistaken some forum members for staff? Anyways I don't see this going anywhere, you insist and he denies, this is natural and that's why we have the laws, rules, courts etc. I can assure you that you'll get nowhere by trying this forum posting, you need to take action now. Good luck guys, keep us posted.

[Stalker22]

@MikeJ_NpC I suggest you stop with these fucking walls of text without explaining or proving anything. There is no doubt that this wallet was never yours to begin with, so please stop harassing the guy since he did not steal anything from you.


https://twitter.com/tokenview2018/status/1595631118694260736

@NotATether, I do not believe albert0bsd needs to prove anything here. Even if we assume that he was able to crack the wallet somehow and transfer the coins, it is highly unlikely that someone sitting on almost a quarter of a billion dollars would be wasting their time responding to this crap. With that kind of money, you can easily pull a Houdini - change your place of residence, assume a new identity, and vanish off the face of the planet without a trace. 

It is obvious that this guy is trolling and blackmailing him with his bullshit stories and threats.

[MikeJ_NpC]

@MikeJ_NpC I suggest you stop with these fucking walls of text without explaining or proving anything. There is no doubt that this wallet was never yours to begin with, so please stop harassing the guy since he did not steal anything from you.


https://twitter.com/tokenview2018/status/1595631118694260736

@NotATether, I do not believe albert0bsd needs to prove anything here. Even if we assume that he was able to crack the wallet somehow and transfer the coins, it is highly unlikely that someone sitting on almost a quarter of a billion dollars would be wasting their time responding to this crap. With that kind of money, you can easily pull a Houdini - change your place of residence, assume a new identity, and vanish off the face of the planet without a trace.  

It is obvious that this guy is trolling and blackmailing him with his bullshit stories and threats.

Okay well opinions are like ass-holes everyone has one and you seem to be one. Why go on the attack for no apparent reason than be fair which is absent from your one line here. Dont be obtuse.
So why dont you discount everyone else in this entire forum then also?  I dont know you but i dont troll or bullshit and have been earnest and provided all information on this.. nice to over look that.

In addition why dont you point out all the bullshit he did which i outlined for people like you.... dont assume things, as i can tell you its incorrect and that is a fact. Where as this was slanted before to one side.
The only one who is bullshit is your post and assertions which are biased for alberto .. so you must be one of his friends who was asked to post here ... ummm yeah.... you cant dispute the facts so thanks for the slander i guess.

I didnt ask to take this public and there was no point in doing so, and that is just the reaction and nonsense i wanted to avoid. thank you for that narrow minded example.
Anyways... so since this is being attended too, and this thread was not started by me, i am limiting myself on current status of things. Just dont make assertions based on nonsense please.
 
Just let the mod handle it and such , this is why they were asked to step in .. so things are not stepped on or overlooked. There is more than one aspect here as well.

Here is the mapping for that day..  Thank you.

[albert0bsd]

Okay luis listen, i am not here to read your made up bs

Me neither

Seems that yuo should listen your own words and try to apply it to your self

Okay well opinions are like ass-holes everyone has one and you seem to be one.

That also apply to you no?, you has your own opinion and beliefs

as i can tell you its incorrect and that is a fact.

Fact where? That is your opinion

Just dont make assertions based on nonsense please.

You are making assertions based on your own beliefs...

Here is the mapping for that day..  Thank you.

And what that proves?

I recomend to anyone who want post something in this topic take the next recomendations:

Code:

Stick to the facts: Make sure that any information or data you present in your post is accurate, reliable,[b] and can be verified through reputable sources[/b]. Avoid using information from sources that have a clear bias or agenda.

Be objective: Try to present information in a neutral and balanced way, without taking a particular side or viewpoint. Avoid using emotive language, and instead use clear and concise language that presents the information in a factual way.

Acknowledge other viewpoints: Recognize that there may be other perspectives or opinions on the topic you are discussing, and show that you have considered these viewpoints in your post. You can do this by presenting counterarguments or acknowledging potential weaknesses in your own argument.

Use logical reasoning: Use logical reasoning to support your points and arguments. This means using evidence to support your claims, and making sure that your arguments are logically consistent and coherent.

Avoid personal attacks: Refrain from making personal attacks or derogatory comments about individuals or groups. Stick to the issues and ideas being discussed, rather than attacking people's character or motives.

Stay open-minded: Be open to new information or ideas that challenge your own views. This can help you to refine your own thinking and contribute to a more productive and informative discussion.

Note that i can lock this topic, but im not going to do that, unless the personal attacks continue.

[Stalker22]

Instead of rambling on and on with your walls of text, try streamlining your argument. The constant repetition is getting annoying.

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Just let the mod handle it and such , this is why they were asked to step in .. so things are not stepped on or overlooked. There is more than one aspect here as well.

Well, it seems that you have missed the memo, so let me spell it out for you: modes couldn't care less about your complaints or your whining. Their job is to ensure that the forum rules are followed, period. And while we are at it, why don't you take a moment to read the damn rules yourself?

Here is the mapping for that day..  Thank you.

Your point?

[MikeJ_NpC]

How about stop attacking me ... when he was the one who stole my funds and used my propitiatory data to do so.  That is my point
Yet lets continue diluting the main aspect ... good job.

I have paused filing a judgement against luis which will effect him in Mexico in lieu of feed back from the mods, but you can sit there and assume they dont care and make crass assumptions instead.
Im not the one here who did something wrong.. realize that and dont need others input when its biased to say the least. Its easy to run your mouth when it doesn't involve you.

The rules dont allow members to steal from others under the guise of helping. Give me a god dam break. How the hell am i whining you troll when he was the one who opened this thread.
More so if no one cares then i will just move forward with what i already have confirmed is relevant oh but those lawyers and such are wrong too due to these rules huh... right...
Stop hating on me for no reason or make up conjecture.

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

For my wellbeing and mental health I am not going to give much importance to this

ya because it was a attempt to assert pitty on something which didnt occur.... and yet some here say im whining ... 

I let it sit for a few months but im getting tired of the baseless attacks.  Anyways since you posted this nonsense attack against me trying to twist the narrative .. .and that this is being arbitrated in private which doesn't involve others, then yes....lock the thread.

I guess its different when you are the one who worked on something for years and have it stolen. More so anyone who wants to belittle or assert nonsense while not enduring that nightmare is naive, sorry it couldn't be any of you...    but to some the rules supersede laws  uh-huh.

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[albert0bsd]

..and that this is being arbitrated in private which doesn't involve others

you ask for it and I am participating voluntarily.

I have paused filing a judgement against luis which will effect him in Mexico

What thing stop you? please do it. I don't care I have nothing to hide. I am tired of your last chaces.

Code:

28 Nov, 2022: Last chance .... and FYI
13 Feb, 2023: last time
15 Feb, 2023: you have  24 hours....

I wll keep this open just in case that @NotATether will post something