I have been subjected to harassment

[albert0bsd]

I am writing to report that I have been subjected to harassment from a member of this community through email.

The person first contacted me via email, asking for my assistance in cracking a wallet. He did not disclose which wallet it was until he began saying that I move that balance.

The person sent me two signatures values (RSZ values), but he were unable to explain the relationship between the signatures or how they were generated.

As you may know, if the relationship between two signatures for the same public key is known, it is possible to recover the nonce and, subsequently, the private key.

However, this person did not provide any information about how the signatures were generated or how they were related to each other.

Initially, I believed that the individual was challenging me to solve a puzzle, as I enjoy solving such challenges.

As the conversation progressed, it became clear that the person was not knowledgeable about the subject he was discussing. I therefore decided to stop responding to their emails and set up a rule to automatically archive any future messages from him.

A few days later, the person began sending me personal messages through this forum, demanding that I give them their share of the wallet. At this point, I was unsure of what they were referring to, as he had previously not provided any information about the wallet in question. They also told me  urging me to check my email inbox, which it have multiple consecutive emails from him. Claiming the same.

I told him that i did not move any wallet, also that i don't know what he is talking about.

He start claming that i stolen "his" wallet. Before of this point he never mentions that it was his wallet.

The person has claimed to be the owner of a well-known wallet and he thinks that I transfer the balance of that wallet

There are several key facts to consider in this situation:

• The wallet in question was previously involved in a crypto-scandal.
• The person has been unable to generate a signed message to prove his ownership of the wallet. This raises the question of why he claim that it is "his" wallet?
• The wallet still has a significant balance on other blockchains (approximately 1.5 million USD). If I was motivated by greed, why would I not have taken the funds from those other chains? Becuase i didn't crack that wallet in first place.
• It is impossible to determine whether the wallet file is genuine or fake. (This wallet also has a wallet.dat file available aroun the internet)
• The wallet file is publicly available and is being sold on various websites. Many people was attempting to crack the wallet file using thousands of GPUs.
• It seems impossible to change this person's mind. No matter what I say, he continue to believe that I transferred the wallet.

I have been a member of this community for over a year and a half, and I primarily engage with posts related to puzzles and challenges. I am also the developer of a CPU tool called keyhunt (For puzzles), which is widely used by many members of this community.

Due to my financial difficulties, I am barely able to make ends meet. The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

I am writing this post in this community because it is home to many talented and intelligent individuals.

What should I do? Please help

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[Seraphimjm]

This sounds like Craig Wright claiming he owns Satoshi wallets and that he is satoshi.  If there is no proof of ownership there is a 99.9% chance that the claimant is not the owner.   If all the information about the wallet and even the .dat file has been made public (fake or real) it means as obviously stated many persons would be working on the solution.  Take puzzle 64 for example, hundreds of thousands of combined man hours, electricity and processing power went into finding a solution in the past 2 to 3 years, and to my knowledge we still dont know who solved it.  Many attention seekers make the claim, but where is the proof. This means we do not know who moved p64 and we would resonably not know who moved a publicly exposed .dat file balance.  Imagine, it could be the actual owner or some bot.

Alberto, keep your guard up, hopefully members of the community who are capable of assisting in any legal framework will come forward to assist.  I say dont sweat it, the burden of proof is on the person making what seems to be conjecture stemming from their failure to successfully break into that wallet

[NotATether]

Send me the member's username through PM.

Edit: Also I noticed this thread is not on the Reputation board, it should be moved there.

[albert0bsd]

Thank you both for reply.

About the reputation board, can I move it? I didn't find the option to do that.

Regards.

[NotATether]

Thank you both for reply.

About the reputation board, can I move it? I didn't find the option to do that.

Regards.

A moderator already moved it there, there is nothing you need to do now.

I have tagged the user in question with neutral with a link back to this topic, but your best course of action is to ignore him from here onwards. Suing someone for libel doesn't really work anywhere except in the USA, and even there, the case does not have much of a chance if the messages aren't public eg. on social media.

If it helps, you can post the addresses in question (only) in public so that the community can also verify that the address(es) are some random scammers' address via a website like https://www.bitcoinwhoswho.com/

[ABCbits]

Due to my financial difficulties, I am barely able to make ends meet. The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

I really really recommend you to take a break from Bitcoin puzzle/recovery and look for free/cheap mental health support offered by government or non-profit organization. Legal assistance probably will just waste your time and money, especially when you don't know nationality of the harasser.

What should I do? Please help

I don't know how much about legal/law, but personally i would recommend you to do these
1. Report the PM with reason "unsolicited pm" or "harassment"
2. Block/ignore this user from all communication medium you use (this forum, email, etc.).

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Due to my financial difficulties, I am barely able to make ends meet. The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

It's a random person on the internet sending random emails with random files. Why are you caring so much? Learn from the Bot how to grow a thickskin and let others do whatever they want.

About forum PM, feel free to post these in public. If it looks like life threatening harassment then many users will tag that account. The account will be banned eventually for breaking forum rules of sending unsolicited PMs.

[examplens]

Due to my financial difficulties, I am barely able to make ends meet. The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

Honestly, I would take this very seriously and you should react as soon as possible and seek adequate help. No matter how difficult your current situation seems to you, it is certain that there is a way out of the problem. take it seriously, because obviously, this is your call for help.

if everything is as you say, it seems that you took the whole thing too personally. To me it looks like another way for fraudsters to get money. they don't care. ignoring is perfectly fine.

[KingsDen]

The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

I took time to read through your thread, but this section of your statement I quoted above, I am having difficulty to comprehend it. Were you threatened by him?
I mean if I am too sure that I didn't scam lovesmayfamilis and she kept sending series of messages that I cheated or scammed her, how would that translate into considering to take my life?
Do you know the alleged personality in person? Does he reside in your neighborhood?

Well, if they believe you moved the money in the wallet, they should be one ones to first make a thread against you here in the forum. If your life is not threatened, consider to ignore them.

[albert0bsd]

First, thank you all for reply.

If it helps, you can post the addresses in question (only) in public so that the community can also verify that the address(es) are some random scammers' address via a website like https://www.bitcoinwhoswho.com/

The address is 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK

Yes that person claim to be the owner, that is very funny.

It's a random person on the internet sending random emails with random files. Why are you caring so much?

Well at the beggining I really don't care about it, but He start talking about some sue and he start to be more rude in his emails.

Check:



that email keep going like a bible...

And here is the last one, this last email pushme to  open this topic.



That "thank you and Kind regards" make me laugh a bit, but i was shaking while i read it

Honestly, I would take this very seriously and you should react as soon as possible and seek adequate help. No matter how difficult your current situation seems to you, it is certain that there is a way out of the problem. take it seriously, because obviously, this is your call for help.

Yes I've talking with one of my closest friends I'm more calm now. Thanks

if everything is as you say, it seems that you took the whole thing too personally. To me it looks like another way for fraudsters to get money. they don't care. ignoring is perfectly fine.

Yes, like I said before, at te beggining i don't care but I start to worry about it becasue his emails.

how would that translate into considering to take my life?

those are thoughts that sometimes appear, but I discard them and try not to think about it, that way out is for cowards and I am not one of them.

Do you know the alleged personality in person? Doesn't he reside in your neighborhood?

No, i really don't know where is he from.

Well, if they believe you moved the money in the wallet, they should be one ones to first make a thread against you here in the forum. If your life is not threatened, consider to ignore them.

I will ignore him from now.

Again thank you to all for reply.

[Stalker22]

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Well at the beggining I really don't care about it, but He start talking about some sue and he start to be more rude in his emails.

The lawsuit he has threatened is frivolous, and you have no cause for concern since his arguments are ridiculous.
If he starts making more serious threats, I suggest you report him to the authorities. You also have every right to file a lawsuit against him for harassment. You should consult a lawyer before you take that step, but I think it would be perfectly legal and appropriate.

[NdaMk]

Due to my financial difficulties, I am barely able to make ends meet. The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

Your story is truly heartbreaking to read. Because of the technicalities involved, I have no idea how all this cracking up is done. What surprises me the most is that you planned to take your own life because you're depressed about everything. Nothing is worth considering suicide; everyone goes through hard times and difficulties in life. I understand how you feel, but you must be able to control your mental health in order to prevent it from taking control of you. Life is valuable, and nothing justifies taking your own life. Please take a break and don't think about it because you know you never did anything you've been accused of by the user.

[PrivacyG]

Do you think there is a possibility you are being threatened by someone not for the 'stolen' Coins but for developing keyhunt?  Anyone who could feel threatened by your tool and act like this to try and bring you down mentally?  Just a thought.

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This is straight up harassment.  If I was in your boots, I would ignore the dude but keep the E-mails and Private Messages.  Do not delete anything this person says.  Particularly if they incrementally add pressure every message you receive.

I am afraid there is no way they can prove you moved anything.  It looks much more like an orchestrated attack to make you mentally vulnerable enough to send them at least part of 'their share' and then continue to harass you.  Otherwise there is no way I can explain what they are doing.  Makes no sense.

It is not the first time I hear about this magic 'crackable' Wallet being shared and sold around with random value strings.  Since you can confirm it is publicly available and I suppose it was way before this person started messaging you, even if they can prove ownership of the Wallet now, there is no way they can prove you were the one stealing the funds out of it, can they.

Therefore I suggest you start collecting yourself, relaxing and ignoring the harassment.  Stop stressing out and take all these dark thoughts straight to the trash bin.

Mind sharing the date of your first ever communication?

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Regards,
PrivacyG

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Well at the beggining I really don't care about it, but He start talking about some sue and he start to be more rude in his emails.

He knows your email address, forum profile. Does he know your real name, home address, bank account details or any sort of personal details or any of the person your know who is common between you and him?

I did not see such information was discussed on the email. He can not do any shit to you.

[albert0bsd]

The lawsuit he has threatened is frivolous, and you have no cause for concern since his arguments are ridiculous.

Yes right now I am thinking the same

You also have every right to file a lawsuit against him for harassment. You should consult a lawyer before you take that step, but I think it would be perfectly legal and appropriate.

Well since I don't know where is he from, i think that will somekind of useles because that what mention in some other reply look:

Legal assistance probably will just waste your time and money, especially when you don't know nationality of the harasser.

Please take a break and don't think about it because you know you never did anything you've been accused of by the user.

Thanks you, that is what i will do, I ask for this week as vacations one month ago. I am more in calm now.

Do you think there is a possibility you are being threatened by someone not for the 'stolen' Coins but for developing keyhunt?  Anyone who could feel threatened by your tool and act like this to try and bring you down mentally?  Just a thought.

Interesting thought, it never imagine that, but i really don't know and there is now way to know that.

Mind sharing the date of your first ever communication?

November 11th

He knows your email address, forum profile. Does he know your real name, home address, bank account details or any sort of personal details or any of the person your know who is common between you and him?

Maybe just my name, i was careless i didn't notice that my email send my name in every mail, i already fix it. but that is some other point to me, If I am supposedly a scammer or a thief, why do I publish my name in my emails, why i should use my personal email insteat of some other fake email?

In any case i'm cleaning any PI from me and reviewing all my networks all this becasue i don't want this kind of harassment in the future.

Thank you all guys for reply, seriously the replies means a lot for me, it they give me more clearity on this stuff

I will be offline almost this week, im trying to get relax from this stuff, i get one week vacations from my job.

Regards!

[Findingnemo]

^ since you're okay now, don't think too much about such things again and in future if the same kind of incidents repeats from same or others try to ignore and don't take it to heart.

Forum PM allows inappropriate messages can be reported to admins and they even get banned apart from tags so don't forget to use the feature in case if you feel the message you received is inappropriate.

[Upgrade00]

Maybe just my name, i was careless i didn't notice that my email send my name in every mail, i already fix it. but that is some other point to me, If I am supposedly a scammer or a thief, why do I publish my name in my emails, why i should use my personal email insteat of some other fake email?

In any case i'm cleaning any PI from me and reviewing all my networks all this becasue i don't want this kind of harassment in the future.

It's a good thing you're taking your privacy more serious now. The internet is like a cesspool and you'll find all kind of characters here; the bad, the very bad and the ugly, it's best to have your personal information off it so it doesn't get into any hands at all.

As others have said, I'll probably not think too much of a random stranger on the internet. Anyone can threaten you, that's easy to do.

[arabspaceship123]

It's the internet you can't stop people trying extortion. Don't get stressed, you've got to forget incidents. If you're barely making ends meet due to financial difficulties join a signature campaign. You're a Full Member you'll be selected by campaign managers, join one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

I am writing to report that I have been subjected to harassment from a member of this community through email.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's a random person on the internet sending random emails with random files. Why are you caring so much? Learn from the Bot how to grow a thickskin and let others do whatever they want.

Some people are bothered by shit like this, whether it's rational or not.  I would also recommend to OP to see if he can get some mental health treatment, because if suicide is seemingly an option because a random nobody on the internet is bothering you, you're obviously in a fragile state.

But OP, keep in mind that this is probably some crackpot who has no way to harm you, no matter what he's saying.  Legal counsel isn't likely to be of help and will only be an expense you probably can't afford.  Just take a deep breath, take a break from the internet for a while if that's an option, and try your best not to let this jackoff get under your skin like he has.  And I've seen some good advice from other members already, so starting up this thread was a good idea on your part.

[NotATether]

Well at the beggining I really don't care about it, but He start talking about some sue and he start to be more rude in his emails.

He knows your email address, forum profile. Does he know your real name, home address, bank account details or any sort of personal details or any of the person your know who is common between you and him?

He's no stalker or anything, just another forum user.

I recommend negative tag over extortion.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

He knows your email address, forum profile. Does he know your real name, home address, bank account details or any sort of personal details or any of the person your know who is common between you and him?

Maybe just my name, i was careless i didn't notice that my email send my name in every mail, i already fix it. but that is some other point to me, If I am supposedly a scammer or a thief, why do I publish my name in my emails, why i should use my personal email insteat of some other fake email?

Here is how a basic internet works for not much experienced users online. You see some bold promotion, it might be to make you huge money, to sell you a course, to show you a way to be an expert of a field X or anything that you are interested. They ask you to enter your email address, name etc and to click the button below to receive the offer in your email. All of these gurus are collecting emails and contact details. Later they use the list. They either sell advertisement to others or sell the whole list to other who advertise online.

There are another way for scammers or unwanted people to get your name, email even home address or even to have your card details. When you purchase something online you fill up your details. If the website hacks then the hacker have your information. They sell it in dark market or even in regular market to the advertisers.

So when you are in 20th century, your name and email address to be found by others is just some regular things. There are no need to be worried about anything. If the guy have balls then you are expecting him or any of his representative to your door which is very unlikely. Chance are 1 in a billion times.

Now forget it and live your regular life.

It's a random person on the internet sending random emails with random files. Why are you caring so much? Learn from the Bot how to grow a thickskin and let others do whatever they want.

Some people are bothered by shit like this, whether it's rational or not.  I would also recommend to OP to see if he can get some mental health treatment, because if suicide is seemingly an option because a random nobody on the internet is bothering you, you're obviously in a fragile state.

OP is not an experienced internet user. My guess is, he is a very old person who is excited to use a computer or smartphone but completely unaware that the world gone far away from his age LOL

[decodx]

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OP is not an experienced internet user. My guess is, he is a very old person who is excited to use a computer or smartphone but completely unaware that the world gone far away from his age LOL

LOL, no! I think you are wrong about that. Look at his post history.

OP is actually a very experienced dev and Linux/FreeBSD sysadmin. He may be older than many of us because I personally don't know a single young developer who knows FreeBSD, but that doesn't mean he's any less of an experienced internet user. He probably knows the technical side of the internet better than most users here. 

[arabspaceship123]

We're different people we'll handle aggressors using different ways. He's in a bad place it's affected him bad he didn't deserve threats or extortion. Taking a break from internet isn't getting him money. We don't know about his life. He needs money he's stressed barely making ends meet so can't pay for treatments. He's Full Member so joining campaigns isn't perfect but it'll help ease some problems he's got

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

Some people are bothered by shit like this, whether it's rational or not.  I would also recommend to OP to see if he can get some mental health treatment, because if suicide is seemingly an option because a random nobody on the internet is bothering you, you're obviously in a fragile state.

But OP, keep in mind that this is probably some crackpot who has no way to harm you, no matter what he's saying.  Legal counsel isn't likely to be of help and will only be an expense you probably can't afford.  Just take a deep breath, take a break from the internet for a while if that's an option, and try your best not to let this jackoff get under your skin like he has.  And I've seen some good advice from other members already, so starting up this thread was a good idea on your part.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

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OP is not an experienced internet user. My guess is, he is a very old person who is excited to use a computer or smartphone but completely unaware that the world gone far away from his age LOL

LOL, no! I think you are wrong about that. Look at his post history.

OP is actually a very experienced dev and Linux/FreeBSD sysadmin. He may be older than many of us because I personally don't know a single young developer who knows FreeBSD, but that doesn't mean he's any less of an experienced internet user. He probably knows the technical side of the internet better than most users here. 

He seems technically sound, I missed that, I just had a look on his post history. But technically sound does not mean he know the online guru and fake marketing system very well. It's a totally separate area. My assumption is from the reaction and fear OP is showing in the thread. Someone who is regularly receiving extortion emails, offer emails like making you rich, emails from hot girls in craigslist, attention emails that your exchange is hacked, emails to receive free gifts and many more spams, will never react such way.

[NotATether]

OP is actually a very experienced dev and Linux/FreeBSD sysadmin. He may be older than many of us because I personally don't know a single young developer who knows FreeBSD, but that doesn't mean he's any less of an experienced internet user. He probably knows the technical side of the internet better than most users here. 

I mean wouldn't that be obvious anyway? Most of the RFCs are written by Generation X'ers, as well as the W3C standards, a great deal of Linux services and daemons, the kernel (duh), and pretty much all of Java.

[albert0bsd]

Hi guys sorrry for the late reply I was some busy in the work this week.

OP is actually a very experienced dev and Linux/FreeBSD sysadmin.

Well i know a few things but nothing special. But that is why a lot of users askme for some "help".

Someone who is regularly receiving extortion emails, offer emails like making you rich, emails from hot girls in craigslist, attention emails that your exchange is hacked, emails to receive free gifts and many more spams, will never react such way.

Those mails are handled by the Spam filter, it is rare for me to see it. In any case this situation was diferent it was someone that I was helping, I never imagine people going in that way shoting acussations without proof.

We're different people we'll handle aggressors using different ways. He's in a bad place it's affected him bad he didn't deserve threats or extortion.

Yes that is true everybody react different to this kind of situations.

I will be offline almost this week, im trying to get relax from this stuff, i get one week vacations from my job.

I was on vacations from monday 5 to sunday 11. That week was really a relief i stay at home and do workout, talk with my friends and do home stuff.

My stalker send me a telegram message (Already blocked) he is saying that i was on three weeks vacations, maybe he thinks that I was on dubai or something like that, looks that him is reading all this messages.



In any case since my vacations I already set a rule to delete all of his new incoming emails.

Listen M... If you are going to do something just do it, I don't care anymore, Proof your words signing a message with "your" wallet that will enough to proof your words (This is the link https://reinproject.org/bitcoin-signature-tool/#sign). I only will reply to you in this Topic

To everybody else thanks. I'm thankful you for reading me all this time. Thanks for the support.

[Stalker22]

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In any case since my vacations I already set a rule to delete all of his new incoming emails.

Honestly, the best thing to do is to ignore it. Do not respond to him. I do not know what his intent is in these posts, but if the guy is just trying to get under your skin, it is not worth provoking a confrontation over.

I think it would be a good idea to start documenting all of your interactions with him as well, especially given the nature of the messages. Consider speaking to a lawyer about your options. Remember that you are in charge - you do not have to deal with any of this if you do not want to.

[albert0bsd]

Consider speaking to a lawyer about your options. Remember that you are in charge - you do not have to deal with any of this if you do not want to.

I already talk with a lawyer, and he said that is a classic "I said, he said" without any proof of ownership those case are desestimed.

[arabspaceship123]

If your lawyers said there isn't any proof you shouldn't be talking to people who've threatened you. Don't read his messages because he's trying to scare you. Join a signature campaign it's going to help earn money https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

Consider speaking to a lawyer about your options. Remember that you are in charge - you do not have to deal with any of this if you do not want to.

I already talk with a lawyer, and he said that is a classic "I said, he said" without any proof of ownership those case are desestimed.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I am writing to report that I have been subjected to harassment from a member of this community through email.

Your problem start with you, there's a function under your profile whereby you can deactivate your email from public appearance on the forum, and also must you get bothered by the number of spam emails you received from your mail, discard them and have a sound sleep.

Due to my financial difficulties, I am barely able to make ends meet. The recent harassment I have been subjected to has made it difficult for me to sleep well, I have been depressed. I have been considering seeking legal assistance but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

I even thought you would have left us here with a screenshot of such message here as evidence but in other way, what gives you the assurance that the sender is from the forum here, why should you get worried and much concerns about his trolling spamming trash sent to your email, have you always been publicly posting your email address on social media, this thing is as simple as just forgetting it and concentrate on your life but it seems that you're the type that easily got distracted by mere threat, if you think this way with just an ordinary mail message what will now be your action if it was a physical assault, OP try to be a man at least and prove courageous.

[lovesmayfamilis]

The OP seems to be a very well-mannered and intelligent person who lives in some kind of parallel world, not knowing that people can be evil and enjoy humiliating others. OP, you think a lot. When you are probably solving puzzles, you try to decompose any situation logically, but there is nothing like that.

You showed your weakness to the troll, you answered him, and everything rolled. It is similar to the situation with a stray dog: if we are afraid of it and show fear, it eventually bites.

I had several similar stories about people threatening to sue me, threatening to kill me, and other nonsense because the projects that created the scammers were discovered and convicted of deception.

OP, you've created a headache for yourself. As soon as you realized that a person does not know what he is talking about and, even more, that you are not involved in his problems, you should have simply ignored him. You can repeat that the Internet is a garbage can without an end, and every day it gets worse and worse. Therefore, accept this experience and do not allow anyone to become your vampire.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Someone who is regularly receiving extortion emails, offer emails like making you rich, emails from hot girls in craigslist, attention emails that your exchange is hacked, emails to receive free gifts and many more spams, will never react such way.

Those mails are handled by the Spam filter, it is rare for me to see it. In any case this situation was diferent it was someone that I was helping, I never imagine people going in that way shoting acussations without proof.

I was guessing something similar. Only a person who is not familiar with spam emails from fake gurus will panic when they will see such emails from a random email account. At least now we can see the benefit of receiving spams and check it regularly 😂

Consider speaking to a lawyer about your options. Remember that you are in charge - you do not have to deal with any of this if you do not want to.

I already talk with a lawyer, and he said that is a classic "I said, he said" without any proof of ownership those case are desestimed.

Now you have opinion from a lawyer so I do not see you should be worry at all anymore.

[Mpamaegbu]

but also i heve been considering end with my life, why i should end my life if supposedly I'm already a millionaire?

You shouldn't even for a second allow random humans you don't know dictate your peace of mind let alone make you contemplate suicide because of their actions towards you. Grow a think skin. The internet isn't a nice place.

OP, you've created a headache for yourself. As soon as you realized that a person does not know what he is talking about and, even more, that you are not involved in his problems, you should have simply ignored him.

You're spot on with this, as usual. There are so many mental cases on the net. We don't know what share of them we've here 🤔. That's the reason we shouldn't pay much attention to trolls.

[arabspaceship123]

He wasn't aware people he tried helping were going to threaten or he would've defended himself. OP learned difficult lessons but it's his lesson he should've ignored the bully. OP hasn't used my advice to join a signature campaign it's going to help https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

The OP seems to be a very well-mannered and intelligent person who lives in some kind of parallel world, not knowing that people can be evil and enjoy humiliating others. OP, you think a lot. When you are probably solving puzzles, you try to decompose any situation logically, but there is nothing like that.

You showed your weakness to the troll, you answered him, and everything rolled. It is similar to the situation with a stray dog: if we are afraid of it and show fear, it eventually bites.

I had several similar stories about people threatening to sue me, threatening to kill me, and other nonsense because the projects that created the scammers were discovered and convicted of deception.

OP, you've created a headache for yourself. As soon as you realized that a person does not know what he is talking about and, even more, that you are not involved in his problems, you should have simply ignored him. You can repeat that the Internet is a garbage can without an end, and every day it gets worse and worse. Therefore, accept this experience and do not allow anyone to become your vampire.

[Ludmilla_rose1995]

I read your story and see that you are a very sensitive person, but if you are innocent, why do you have to bother with that member? you have to be able to get rid of your worries, and never try to end your life, because your family still needs you. as long as they are alive then every problem can be solved.

maybe you should read this article,

➥ https://www.verywellmind.com/ocd-self-injury-and-suicidal-thoughts-2510599

...if you are unable to accept it then immediately contact the available services

[MikeJ_NpC]

Okay well I felt it prudent to list the inconsistent aspects, and despite what some people think based on half-truths or some half story I’ve laid it all here for people to judge for themselves since he feels he can post anything he wants.
I have not read this thread and wont but have heard from other members in regards to it. Asking me things on why this or that which are more questing the nonsense he stated … or this pity card played which is  not a good defense against what has transpired.

I have put too much time into gathering the emails weeks ago and then deciding to not say anything at all.. but this red flag and hearing nonsense about my intentions was enough.  I don’t care about how this is written, it’s about the points not the commas and sentence structure.
It’s not about what was highlighted in a email that was deserved by his actions. More so his own hindsight is what caused his worry as opposed to the only option I had if common sense and keeping ones word as a man didn’t work?  What would you do in  my shoes when it should be a lot more if it was you I’m sure ...

I don’t care what he wants to say, he took my data and moved the wallet which belonged to me based on said data. To clarify frankly it wasn't a privkey but a sig method as the fork was left behind and wouldn't occur from the privkey being known.
While it could of been calculated with the shared K or the sig alike, in the least allowed it to be derived from my data reinforced by the fact is the timing; which realistically are higher odds of it being a circumstantial aspect than cracking key out of the blue.  
A shared K is 1 in 100billion if not higher, and have not been able to duplicate it again on anything despite running 100m points etc.. More so I am not here for bs and that is all that has been done. Read the emails for yourself. 3 days after the data was issued or the trite excuses and disassociation given.
The issue I had was with the last step and doesn't mean anything more or less than that. When it doesn’t involve you, it’s always easy to try and trivialize matters.

For someone to sit there and want to be absolved in the eyes of the community by spinning this in a manner to where I look like shit, is not right. I came here for help and I have every right to be pissed off or assert legal aspects to what was clear and deliberate fraud conducted against me. I’m not here to extort which only can be assumed by the poor Luis thread; which he created and attempts to paint a narrative which is the opposite from the truth.
Frankly I have had other pundits look into the data and the chain alike, it’s more than clear what occurred. Since the data was mine so was the wallet, don’t believe me then read the emails yourself and remove this flag. It should of been placed on him instead. Why should I have doubted him? when we spoke for as few years let alone was vetted by this forum, granted I never did.

I have been hoping he would have some common sense by now, along with some ethics... as the rationale and excuses he gave me contradicted his own words. So as I was more than clear in my emails to him, and the issuance of data, no one has yet disputed the validity of such, as it cannot be. Also I’ve heard it being dust-attack which is not valid either as the amount of txns needed for a bitseed exposure was not there. More so there are 2 test txns before the main which was testing the sig that was used. also they did not have the private key but generated the signature from the data supplied which could of been done as I outlined or via lattice method. Regardless it was a valid leak which has been validated by a few honest people who also think this is wrong. Besides the flip flopping which he does and the clear theft we can look at the wallet was cashed out for 300btc using a non-otc broker and then  someone who said they couldn't afford a 1000 credit card bill went on a island vacation for 3 weeks as expressed in chat with others and proof provided. Yet... the poor guy was so distraught *rolleyes*... yeah I would be too if I just stole from someone and gave such shit excuses, yet says he’s not a theft but made a software to crack wallets. I don’t need to say more than that but for whoever is interested here are the emails and pms, as how they were written.  I’ve been asked what is the point to someone doing that, posting what didn’t need to be. Well if you are only telling the parts which make you look like the victim, but overall this is not what an innocent person does.

Again the proprietary data I had was given to him under his rouse a guise of him helping …. Data consisted of 2 RSZ with a shared K and is valid as it came from the public key which can be EC point mapped – its VALID as anything else on the god dam chain.
His handling of the entire matter is less than acceptable and irresponsible which all of his crap is more circumstance and blowing smoke.  No attempt to give a timeline or explain his actions if any were taken for my benefit as opposed to his own. I was more than clear in the thread and prior to issuance of the data what the problem was and that R did not need to reflect K ... then all of a sudden, as you can see he falls back on to the trite nonsense when he is shown what wallet it was.
I am not extorting him when he claims to not have moved my claimed wallet.  More so if he does have this wallet then it was stolen from me 3 days after I gave him the data period.  IF I never issued this data then the wallet would still be sitting there obviously. So any illegimate claim he has is irrevlant. I was nice enough to only ask for a third despite him not doing any real work on it and taking him and whoever he involved into account. No he was not working on this before the data was issued.

This entire  nightmare lacks accountability for the purpose of disinformation. So what if he wrote something which people use doesn’t give him the right to steal other people’s stuff.  I don’t give a crap if jesus himself wrote his software  it doesn’t excuse anything here and only has been to serve himself and his intentions to slander someone he was supposed to help. So how honest is that?  
You can spend any R as long as you know the K and this is what I gave to him with the instructions not to move the wallet. The data was not his nor the wallet and have the digital fingerprint going back months let alone this was not data on the public chain but my own which was not issued to anyone

Read ALL the emails yourself  or is it going to hurt his feelings this time? download it yourself ...https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r9c91s2osu3ulqae07mcj/ALBERTO-THE-LAIR-....docx?dl=0&rlkey=mgmjf313le0rjx8xwqw2o47ta

You read this bottom up....see what he says and then ask yourself if it makes sense. I was more than clear and had a feeling this would occur hence why I asked for help over the month of October and after having to keep correcting a misunderstood R has to be the same, just wanted it resolved.
Hence my mistake of releasing it to him under his proclamation of wanting to help. No one else had data relevant to this, and it was not public data on the chain for anyone to view. it was generated by me period.  The fact it remained dormant until this was released shows more validity than attempting to discredit the data or my legitimate claim ownership of the funds as others have done over the years.

So just to summarize here   - I asked for help in this thread which I was more than clear on what was needed. He decided to contact me via PM and wanted to help.. I have included these at the bottom, which you are to read these bottom up….
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5399035.new;topicseen#new  - note how he says things and understood what was needed, this was before anything was indicated about which wallet or the information released to him.

so Luis alberto said he would help as outlined above .. then after issuance of the information , trying to distort aspects; went to the common fallacy that  R needs  to be the same as K ... so I showed him examples on what to do and that isn’t true in this case....
... then I didn’t hear from him for 3-4 days after emailing a few times.  OF course he replies after the wallet was moved.  I think he had contacted one of his friends perhaps or needed time to do it.
As per a report the wallet was cashed out via a nontraditional OTC broker and done in an illegal manner. The way I would of handled it would of allowed the funds to be legally accepted and had a process for doing so established with my attorney.  

Then we have the excuses which were just bullshit since I was more than clear on it all... and why would this worry him or any innocent person? Or is it more his own border line crap that he is involved which should warrant worry in his head.
So the EXCUSES if you want to phrase them as that which were trite … ranged in the following –

1 - "The data I supplied was to a empty wallet" (lie as it was clearly stated) when the data was issued what wallet and pubkey.
2- "I am asking him after the wallet moved and I didn’t mention it" (as if this mattered at all and was clarified) then …
3 -  "he thought I was testing him" when I sent him examples of the correct method and example to base it on.
4 - " he didn’t even know my name so why would he move it" and that he "isn’t a theft or a lair" (my name he did know same as here and as if that has any relevancy.  As for the not a theft part well that is a matter of perception as I didn’t make a software to crack other people’s ckey.mkeys) then …
5- " he cannot afford a 1000 credit card bill and still is poor" (yet magically goes on a 3 week vacation the next day after its cashed out to some island and returns on the 12 of December. Then tries to imply he wanted to kill himself the day after he returns.) finally culminating in
6-  Why would he ask to talk to me on signal and then not answer.  He could of called me on the phone, or telegram or replied to the email  - this was also a distraction and decided to play stupid  or confuse which is relevant over the entire email chain.
7- "there is nothing in this universe that I can do to prove it was him" (which can be read as an admission of guilt taunting me to prove it which I have) then…  Overall of this not one shred of empathy or trying to discern what occurred. The   data was not public it was safe and wallet  would not of moved if I didn’t believe him on the posts  prior to the emails.  


So these are all very lame attempts at someone defending themselves or for that matter taking responsibility and keeping their word. Not once any responsible reaction for my data, no accountability of time which lapsed, no empathy or real defense as anyone else would do, other than to try and change the focus or disassociate from it all together. Anyone else would be concerned in general and not try to assert blame back on to the person who issued the information. Which was tried in a few ways either by him not understanding it, when he did prior to knowing what wallet address this was or the amount. Then went to incorrect data which is irrelevant in the first place as it was self-generated and valid as I have been told in private by more than one pundit. Prior to giving him anything I was nervous overall and made it a point in my posts asking for help not to elude on which wallet this was until I had the help or had the insight in order to finish the 1% that was left.  
So I think it’s clear to anyone upon the issuance of data where he wanted to help, but suddenly was not interested? Yet when asked if he was giving up his answer was no he’s not, then went back to not interested then disappeared for 3 days until the wallet moved, and the excuses described above. ya seem real rock solid to me *roll eyes*

….I was willing to eat some crap so he wouldn’t get all annoyed as he generally does when you go against him or a  few too many questions. It’s not as if I didn’t speak to him before this which I had for almost 2 years and was vetted also on this forum which gave a false sense of trust I will have to say.  Yet I am flagged for a chopped up bs thread he posts, and pull the pity card without going over all the details on what occurred or led up to this.  Aww his mental state, gee must be so messed up after being on vacation for 3 weeks and posting that the day after he returned and claims harassment despite me not emailing him for week leading up the December 12th. – he posts that in public to try and steer the narrative as only a person with guilt would do, there is no other point to doing this kind of thing,.. let alone how did I feel being fucked over?...

I asked for help long enough which no one of merit came forward to assist it on maybe it’s because I didn't mention the amount or what wallet, but sure as hell was before any other nonsense of someone else claiming ownership. Yet I only got discredited for no reason other than a pity card ploy which was to feel sorry for the person who stole it? under the guise of helping no less because he says this or that? It’s more a joke than a valid perception.Dont say his mental health or whatever else either, as he was on vacation for 3 weeks prior the day after it was moved. For someone who said they couldn't afford 1000 credit card bill, I guess he won the lotto to be able to afford that out of the blue which was the day afterwards.. or how about any of the other trite nonsense he says in the emails alike.

I know what occurred and my argument is stronger than his; despite the twisting of it all due to my non-involvement to this point. I had enough of it but clearly he thinks it would make a difference and I guess a few other who felt this flag was justified. He might of not known how to do it, which I point out what to reference, even if so it doesn't remove the fact he had reached out to someone else to get it done.  timeline is too close to be ignored with my mental health nonsense, when how the hell did I feel ? after being careful for such a long time and then trusting someone who was vetted on here, acknowledged they could help in posts which are missing mysteriously *roll eyes* and then upon getting the data and me being clear, says I never mentioned the 10k in that address???... give me a break..  Additionally I heard a comment or two trying to assert that he did it with his program? Funny as it doesn't even do the things required for a full shared k sig generation.

Some of you want to take his side fine as no one will ever come forward to back it up anyways publicly that is.  However don’t tell me for a moment that I am in the wrong for what I said to him, when it’s not you who is at a loss overall in many ways. I had reasons behind doing this other than greed. Also I do have the option to do more here as anyone else would do and to flag me for talking about involving attorneys is not right either to do.  I’m not flying the pity card here but anyone else who had nothing to worry about would not have reacted or behaved like this and if he is that troubled then go see a therapist.  Instead what he did not do is show any concern what so ever, defend himself  or look into it in any real way; like anyone else would of done when it moved not the opposite.
It’s the lack of and his nonsense replies and now this crap which should be looked at, nothing I said. So again for whatever petty reason that I got this flag was only based on a one sided perceptions which doesn’t hold any merit.  BUT when I am asking for help over 45 days THEN moved within a extremely short span, no one even mutters a word?? It’s not right as mods or caretakers of making sure things are fair and just which this was lacking..  I could take it farther and implicate collusion here, as how do I know otherwise due to the lack of interest. Easily could of informed others about it and asked for protection here or whatever.  Point being is IF someone would of helped instead of listen to one side of what isn’t even the entire picture then it wouldn’t of occurred.  I understand not all methods are discussed on how to do certain "things" but there is a right and a wrong , and so far it’s all god dam biased.

if its anyone who had mental health impacted the assertion should of been to me as I lost the wallet and years of time effort and work put into it. Was there any empathy expressed by anyone let alone him? NO just wanted to whine about a few emails which yes he should take seriously. His own crisis / cause for concern was finding out the press on the wallet after it was moved. This was not supposed to be done by him or anyone else regardless and the point of his involvement was to assist with the last 1% of work. I don’t think I am wrong and I am not a person to withhold an apology if I am, but I don’t see anything more relevant than the results I received by chain analysis or other private services. It’s always easy to try and say its circumstantial occurrences casting doubt, which some want to try and proclaim occurred.  Come on now there is something called the burden of proof and it all leans to not anything of the sort.  

IF I could do this again to another target I would but so far I have not been able too,.. hence the odds in it occurring in the first place and was not available on any chain. In addition it being btc-e was something which could of been claimed and addressed if it wasn’t moved, as was told not to do more than once.  oh but I never told him at all about it? righttttt.....
if he or whoever didn’t take bsa aml kyc dd and other aspects into account hence why i had a process established and planned legally with a lawyer before the move, then it’s their greedy oversight. I’m not an asshole nor do I extort people, and I apologize if I am incorrect also, but there is enough there there , which in legal speak is all I have to say.

I actually had reasons behind this with importance like a wife who need treatments that insurance doesn’t cover but I don’t sit here airing this or that I want to kill myself… such a hard life being on a vacation for 3 weeks and left the day after the 300 btc was processed out via non OTC.
I  am not here for the bullshit , nor do I or ever have done anything towards anyone, despite being ripped off in this forum 4 times by members or data stolen from me and used previous as well back in 2018 and to my surprised associated with the group on the data sheet I had put together which is just lols.

Yet when I mention lawyers I get red flagged as if I’m Craig wright or some lame association  rather than to see it would be the only option overall. Even they see the same thing I have upon review and wanted to file a action, as there was a deliberate intent to be negligent and overall there is enough there there in legal   ease to warrant it.  But suddenly my efforts are slandered in here, and not given the help I requested over weeks.  
There was a shared K  RSZ which needed to be converted into a privkey, and I had issues with that last step. I had looked for weeks for help which was not easy to come by. So alberto said he could help but then after receiving the info became retarded. More so I believe the way this was done is with a signature as opposed to deriving the private key as the forks still present. I’m not some god dam expert here nor do I claim to be, but when I was asking for help as I was I don’t expect to be screwed over on the guise of help. Despite the timing involved in all of this is way too close to be circumstantial and if it indeed was then has higher odds than any other aspect involved with this. Clearly the skills needed for this are somewhat advanced so I was wondering if this is something that could be carried out, no one has yet given a real answer to it.

Playing the other side of the view here a member who contacted me eluded too a dust-attack which I don’t
believe due to the timing of it all and there are 2 test tans before the main move besides the forks being still there as if to leave some crumbs for when I figure it out.
For the members who know me and talk to me, I am not a person who accuses others with no basis to it, more so I can admit when I am wrong and have no ego. However this was not carried out by someone else as people keep saying circumstance, more so his behavior changed after he received the info and the lame excuses trying to disperse and cast blame on some irrevlant item is what guilty parties do.
More so I have been asked what reason or goal is there to take it public like this, trying to absolve himself in the community perception as opposed to giving a shit about the person directly.

I don’t want to spend more time on this defending against, nonsense conjecture and assertions which I’m sure were one sided in his thread Additionally anyone who had a opinion on this or issued the red flag against me without getting the entire story or at the least come to me and ask me about it was narrow minded and short sighted.  It figures that they jump on the band wagon when some low life thief twists the narrative but when I’m sitting there asking for help on this MONTHS before they remain silent. This is supposed to be a fair place yet all I see here is complacent towards this type of manipulation and makes me wonder if there is collusion taking place.  I won’t bother reading the thread and I won’t tolerate being compared to Craig wright... when this punk took my data and used it  claiming to help me ... that is the fact and I will do all I can to make this right something the mods in this forum should do. I had enough of his stupid shit over email which all of you can read and then actually think about it with all the facts not just  what someone wants you to see..
 
His manipulation of this entire thing is pathetic and just adds on top of the bs . He could of called me to discuss things, he could of sent me a email or  telegram. I am not hard to look up overall and have no reason to hide. yet none of this was even attempted.  it is not circumstantial that it moved 3  days after issuance of my data and was no publicly available and overlaid against what actually occurred further enforces that he is a lying  low life theft. He  had a responsibility to my data and myself when he accepted to help, and since it was based on my data I had months before and can prove the wallet was mine.  or are we going to play favorites here when there are enough examples of this.  I do not appreciate the slander or ridicule against me or what had transpired without understanding  the entire ordeal. I had decided not to read any of it for a number of reasons however if there is any way to resolve this other than legal action I would be willing to do so .. the burden of proof is not on me here and if he or his friend know this.  I frankly will have those funds  taken and seized than to allow them to be lost. While mine was 1 in 500 billion on the sig shared K ... to assert he didn’t do it would be greater than cracking a private key on a random guess after getting drunk.  


Again his change in demeanor, his lame excuses, his actions and posting in the community, showing no empathy and it occurring 3 days after issuance of the data all show his guilt... more so I spoke to people he went too with it who also confirm things, besides other aspects / mistakes that were made. I even tried to reason with him and always indicated there was enough to share. I never instructed him or whoever to move to the wallet but simply finish the last step I needed so I could of done this a legal way and had my attorneys handle it, which they also have reviewed what occurred and do think it was him. There is enough there there, which means to investigate. For someone who proclaims themselves so poor I guess he won the lotto to take the vacation especially when it was processed cashed out the day afterwards. I don’t know how someone on vacation and I didn’t email for 2 weeks can say he’s being harassed when anyone else would surely be doing that  constantly if this occurred to them. This isn’t a child’s game so asserting poor him or anything of the sort is stupid and not applicable. What about me then, it doesn’t absolve him from being liable.



Look I’m not an asshole but I won’t allow this to happen. I would rather it be seized than  have some punk try to steal it from me. This isn’t circumstance or anything of the sort.. I can say sorry and admit when I’m wrong, but I won’t stand for childish irrational one line excuses which make no god dam sense. That is all I have to say at the moment about this except a man only has his word in life, and I keep mine as that is all you have in the end when you look back on your life. ... you all can judge it for yourselves.. I  do understand mistakes are made but give me a break. I am tired of the denial based on trite assertions of questionable rationales. He has not offered any accountability or answers on the various question posed to him which meet any aspect of accountability for data what was not his to do with as he pleased since he did not create it. The sigs and such are valid there is no way to disprove that more so than his petty prove it was him nonsense.
 I am involved with other aspects at the moment personal and professional and now this to occur is unfathomable. I did this to help my wife and others, not for someone to try and steal it and carry it out in such a novice way because they wanted to be greedy than simply be happy they were included in it regardless. Besides all of this I have other facts and reports which correlate to  my belief.

IF anything yeah he should be investigated as him his friend took it upon themselves to be stupid on how they moved it and I won’t elude too on how, but also took it upon themselves to discard the word he gave me and what I told him not to do.
I don’t care if he is freaked out, and it’s not by a coincidence in any manner what so ever, 2 weeks later would be that, NOT  72 hours which is just a red flag and someone being greedy …  the twisting of my intentions by him is a ploy period.

Look I don’t care if I get banned from here for saying how this really is … more so flagging me for pointing out AML BSA and my right to the wallet , as anyone else has done here or getting lawyers involved should not cause reaction against me.
Mod here are supposed to ensure things are fair and just, and to help people when asked… doesn’t have to be in a public way which I was not going to post.  Also anyone else would try and resolve this ordeal where as he has done nothing of the sort.
So he can either resolve this with me as per what I had outlined or  lose it all and be investigated. There are no other options.  I should not be screwed out of what was mine any way you want to look at it.

I don’t understand how the forum here can essentially not do anything to remedy the nightmare instead of taking a side based on incomplete facts.  More so I find it responsible  for this partly as the merit and vetting of members implies aspects which should not be done. I have been ripped off countless times on here yet they are never banned despite them doing it to multiple members. crytodeep or sagemethods or even this kid who whines about it afterwards?
So if anyone can show either side of the view with logic then I am all ears but so far in private discussions has been what I already knew. If anyone wants to try and be a Craig wright sure as hell isn’t me and denial with self-guilt or crisis or anything else but empathy shown for it overall, does not absolve someone from it. Need I remind you all.  The members who know me  told me about the assertions which were taking place.  

So how can I be harassing someone when the dates of my emails don’t indicate that,  how can I be extorting someone  if the data was mine?  He says he didn’t move it but then in the same breathe admits fault?  or them claiming to not have done it? he wasn’t working on it prior and he didn’t do it on his data but used mine period.
thanks for the flag based on what was a chopped up version of things based on the pity card of someone who is responsible or irresponsible either way doesn’t absolve him from anything.  READ THE EMAILS  and you know  what emails came after the thread ends here. … As he posted them without my consent, .. just another aspect on what a narrasitc low life decides to do to absolve himself …


In the end I don’t want to get anyone in trouble nor do I want to be screwed out of what was mine before him.. I have offered a solution to this which was more than fair for his involvement.  If he suggests nothing or continues to be this way, then I will move forward with other options that I have available.
I have wasted enough time catering to others incorrect assertions and being depressed over this nightmare. I was looking for help and NOT for this to become FUBAR and someone claiming to offer help do the opposite instead.  He should send me what I asked for and stop trying to pull a conjob over on me otherwise he will end up with nothing.
I was advised to give it a 90 day cool off period.. that has now passed and I don’t want this having to become something larger but it will if he doesn’t do what is expected and continues to play these games.


YES i was the owner of the shared K which was my data hence the wallet was claimed by me and was stolen.. those are the facts., as for what happens next a firm will be taking on the matter....
NOW that you have the entire view... you rethink who is telling the truth here...      it was a sig method otherwise the fork would of been taken and was based on my data issued to him.. he couldnt even stick to a plausible excuse.

[digaran]

Man you talk too much with little meaning, you don't need to repeat yourself over and over. One thing you should know; this forum is not a service, hence they have no legal obligations to prevent you, forcibly stop you from giving him your data, forum has a trust system, despite many flaws, it works and has been tried to keep it decentralized and fair as possible.

If you really owned the coins, you'd have sought for help by other, safer means, not by trusting 10 k bitcoins to a stranger, I mean WTF since when people have gone mad?

FYI, there is a challenge since 2015, prize is the bitcoins if we find them, so all of the developments discussed here are targetted towards that goal, however it is possible that a malicious intent was behind the whole puzzle solving in order to trick software developers share their findings, either to identify the capable people, or to find a shortcut for some large amounts, or it could be just a simple game of showing the strength of the private keys.

Summarizing my points, forum administration/ staff members are not responsible for scams, only individuals on DT network could fight against scam and any ill-intent  behavior, they are just a few individuals comparing to the population, so yes this forum lacks enough trust police!

You should seek legal advice from experts in cyber crimes and move to the next level, sue him and request for a full audit on his financial affairs, there has to be some evidence somewhere to link him to the stolen funds.


Guys don't forget my cut, you sneaky albert. Lol. Don't mind this redacted part, this is our secret (crypto) communication algorithm in these woods.

[ABCbits]

--snip--

I only skimmed your reply since it's as long as ToS of "Preinstalled Windows 11" and .docx file is even longer, so i only have few thoughts about this.
1. You claim you're owner of address "1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK" (based on .docx page 24) . But based on search result that address contain stolen Bitcoin from Mt Gox[1-2] and appear on list of wallet.dat with "lost password" on internet[3].
2. You won't be banned from here unless you make death threat or violate other forum rule.
3. Scam isn't moderated in this forum.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488541.msg5403176#msg5403176
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/212qtw/i_think_these_120_wallets_each_contain_10000_btc/
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242967.msg56077097#msg56077097

[NotATether]

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

[examplens]

...

TL;DR
any chance to write this a little more succinctly?

1. You claim you're owner of address "1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK" (based on .docx page 24) . But based on search result that address contain stolen Bitcoin from Mt Gox[1-2] and appear on list of wallet.dat with "lost password" on internet[3].

now look at MikeJ_NpC post history here on the forum, as far as I can see his main interest is about hacking "lost passwords"  or unlocking lost valuable wallets. I would take his every claim that he is the owner of one of those addresses with a certain amount of reserve.

[digaran]

Were the 10 k BTC real and were they moved for real? If MikeJ could post here saying that he owns the said address, it'd be great. Note that nothing about this should be discussed in private, if this is about stolen coins, we might be able to (*have a piece, just act normal and let me lead.) find some details and help to return them back to their rightful owners.



*=lol.

[albert0bsd]

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

I will send you anything that he send me, thanks

For my wellbeing and mental health I am not going to give much importance to this.

...

TL;DR
any chance to write this a little more succinctly?

Agree...

this is his word vs my word

This is funny:

went on a island vacation for 3 weeks as expressed in chat with others and proof provided.

LOL where, please tell me to which paradise island i went?

I was on vacations from monday 5 to sunday 11. That week was really a relief i stay at home and do workout, talk with my friends and do home stuff.

It as was only a week, my first week vacations in some two years and I only stay at home doing workout and housekeeping.
But, I don't owe you any explanation, if you want to believe that i was in dubai or something like that it is up to you, you can belive anything that you want, only in your imagination anything is possible.

Some  of your last email:

You can send me 50% of my wallet ......  or i will report it to the secret service and mexicos federal police and have it taken seized. you have caused enough problems and risked my wifes life due to not having her care..  so you send me 50% or end up with nothing.

you have  24 hours....

Please tell us how i risk the life of your wife ??

Secret service? They only worry about U.S president and staff no?. You have seen too many movies right?

Mexico Federal Police? Please tell them, I DON'T CARE beacuse i never steal anything in my life.

"you have  24 hours...."

Code:

28 Nov, 2022: Last chance .... and FYI
13 Feb, 2023: last time
15 Feb, 2023: you have  24 hours....

I'm seeing a pattern here: Barking dog does not bite

The data that you send me is pretty much like this message

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433576.msg61566341#msg61566341

Everybody is telling you that your data is wrong and it doesn't mean anything.

Can you @MikeJ_NpC provide a signed messsage proving that it was your address?

I already know the answer: NO you can't make a signed message proving that it was your address.

[FatFork]

...

OP, that's a very long read. I got bored and didn't particularly feel like going through the entirety, so I ended up skimming the rest after reading the first half. Obviously, it's possible I missed something, so feel free to correct me if I've got something wrong.

A few of my observations:

• You don't have valid proof that it was actually your wallet? Obviously, you can't prove ownership by signing an address if you don't have access to the private key. But, do you think you can prove where the funds came from by providing evidence of some previous deposits?
  
• As ETFbitcoin already mentioned, the address "1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK" appears to be part of the MtGox wallet. How do you explain that?
  
• You claim that albert0bsd was the only one who had access to your data, but here you said that at least two people had it:
  

   only 2 people had it both well known on here....
  

• Based on the information you've presented, it doesn't appear to be solid evidence that albert0bsd has taken "your" money. However, if you strongly believe otherwise and have supporting evidence, I recommend that you contact the relevant authorities.

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

Well, good luck with that. Please keep us posted!  


Just to add some more information for anyone interested, walletexplorer.com indicates that the address 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK belongs to this wallet: [0860b59aaa], the same address was mentioned for the first time on the bitcointalk forum here, and was frequently mentioned in the context of those fake wallet.dat scams. Just my two satoshis... Draw your own conclusion.

[MikeJ_NpC]

The funds are not  part of Gox those are all clearly marked on the chain already... so i dont concur with that ... If anything its private or its BTC-e which i was going to have my lawyer handle the legal issues, if any at all... This is why i said do not move the wallet ... When frankly i had forgotten about all of that upon the excitement and all,.  when the odds on even getting data like this is 1 in 5000 billion or something along those odds.
More so the shared K data i have does elude to ownership just like anyone else who has claimed wallets in the past on their own merit. Also if i had not issued this data then the wallet would still be sitting there. I wont touch upon the fork which was left behind as i did previously. So my claim on it is more than anyone else has had and i also have the dat but that's beside the point.
Yes It was 2 people, and i left that email there to be open,  the other person has been a part of bitcoin since this forum began, they declined to assist on it citing other matters came up. Their word goes far beyond Luis here and for what its worth when it occurred yes i spoke to them also; which was more than what i received with luis.
Clearly the emails are deceptive and his excuses to the pattern of behavior which was carried out, come on now. In addition i spoke to the person he asked for assistance from, so that combined with the time line its pretty obvious who it was. I wont go into the mistakes that were made like using their own node and other things.... also if i get lawyers involved they will pull the data and will just correlate to the same notions.
To be fair i have had another person review this who is not involved in this or the forums or bitcoin in any way what so ever and just read the emails, they come out to the same obvious result.. I dont shit where i eat, clearly that is what was done ... i was more than clear and fair from the start and had the data for months prior and tried to do it myself to avoid this kind of trouble due to the size and stigma behind the wallet. 
the point remains the data was is relevant and asserts ownership. Im not a douche-bag here .. when it should be the victim regardless. I shouldn't be treated any different than other members who have done this let alone the aspects which i will save myself from repeating.

...

OP, that's a very long read. I got bored and didn't particularly feel like going through the entirety, so I ended up skimming the rest after reading the first half. Obviously, it's possible I missed something, so feel free to correct me if I've got something wrong.

A few of my observations:

• You don't have valid proof that it was actually your wallet? Obviously, you can't prove ownership by signing an address if you don't have access to the private key. But, do you think you can prove where the funds came from by providing evidence of some previous deposits?
  
• As ETFbitcoin already mentioned, the address "1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK" appears to be part of the MtGox wallet. How do you explain that?
  
• You claim that albert0bsd was the only one who had access to your data, but here you said that at least two people had it:
  

  only 2 people had it both well known on here....
  

• Based on the information you've presented, it doesn't appear to be solid evidence that albert0bsd has taken "your" money. However, if you strongly believe otherwise and have supporting evidence, I recommend that you contact the relevant authorities.

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

Well, good luck with that. Please keep us posted! 


Just to add some more information for anyone interested, walletexplorer.com indicates that the address 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK belongs to this wallet: [0860b59aaa], the same address was mentioned for the first time on the bitcointalk forum here, and was frequently mentioned in the context of those fake wallet.dat scams. Just my two satoshis... Draw your own conclusion.

Luis im not going to bother to read you're attempting to pick my things apart when you cant even account for your own actions.
Anyways you shown no empathy and blocked everything,  that really seems like someone who "said" they wanted to help huh.
I have told you a number of times to stop the nonsense, ... which i attribute this entire thread and the title to be part of that. 

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[albert0bsd]

Anyways you shown no empathy

What you expected? I feel a little sorry for you and you wife but there is millions of people with cancer in the world, I can't be sad for all of them rigth?

and blocked everything

Well if you open 3 proton mail accounts, one gmail account, a new telegram account, send messages in the github repository and Direct messages in this forum just to annoy me.
i guess that you will do the same no? Block that person  
I blocked you for my wellbeing and mental health
Would you consider refraining from such actions?

I have told you a number of times to stop the nonsense

Yes that is right you already said it a big number of times, also i already said that I did not steal anything.

The data that you send me is useless and everyone already said it to you, in your topic: Any particular meaning to this? K=z/s and R=X

[NotATether]

Just to add some more information for anyone interested, walletexplorer.com indicates that the address 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK belongs to this wallet: [0860b59aaa], the same address was mentioned for the first time on the bitcointalk forum here, and was frequently mentioned in the context of those fake wallet.dat scams. Just my two satoshis... Draw your own conclusion.

I'll have more to say about this particular nugget tomorrow.

[digaran]

@albert0bsd, does MikeJ_NPC know your real identity? If they don't know it, this might have been a trick all along to track you down, if indeed you actually were able to crack the wallet, this could be their vetting mechanism and by moving the funds you just passed their test and now they want you, they could be russians, chinese, essentially anyone/ group.
Either way they are after you and it could be that, it's not about the money, they wanna know who you are.

Just my theory.

Edit, I was hoping for something more dramatic.😉

[NotATether]

OK so as promised, here is a list of (public) information I have gathered so far about the case. Information provided here can be verified by anyone who is reading this post.

This is the transaction in which it is alleged that theft had took place in. https://blockstream.info/tx/c956359775facd455bdc6be7d2eb3ec18dd48ac2aaf838de206de64805d3dbb4

This is the address which MikeJ_NpC says is his: 1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK

He also wrote to me that the address belongs to him on the basis that it is a dormant address and that he has RSZs corresponding to coins that (used to be) in that address. BTW, I have not yet confirmed whether the RSZs provided in the email exchange correspond to any of the addresses of interest.

This address is funded by two transactions of 5000BTC each which blockstream.info said is coin consolidation from 2014. Not really a big deal, it basically means it was an internal wallet transfer.

Both of those two funding transactions were made between December 21-22 2013 with what Blockstream day are round amounts (I.e. input amounts were specified in USD).

Inserting this address into walletexplorer yields: https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0860b59aaaf9aaa2?from_address=1LfV1tSt3KNyHpFJnAzrqsLFdeD2EvU1MK

Which has had transaction activity throughout 2022 (and 2021, 20, 19, ...) with dust amounts all the way back to over 10 years ago (MikeJ could not explain where any of the funds to this address came from).

Just to be sure, I asked albert0bsd to provide me his list of wallet addresses by PM, which will tell us whether he has access to any of the coins which has now moved. This is not foolproof - but I'm trusting that he sends me all addresses and doesn't withhold anything, otherwise this check will be quite useless.

@albert0bsd, does MikeJ_NPC know your real identity? If they don't know it, this might have been a trick all along to track you down, if indeed you actually were able to crack the wallet, this could be their vetting mechanism and by moving the funds you just passed their test and now they want you, they could be russians, chinese, essentially anyone/ group.
Either way they are after you and it could be that, it's not about the money, they wanna know who you are.

Just my theory.

They both used their real names inside their email exchanges, as the email address name.

[albert0bsd]

I fail to understand how RSZ can be used to proof address ownership when anyone could obtain such information.

Agree with that, the only way to proof ownership is with a signed message.

I guess that @NotATether is referring to the RSZ values because is that kind of information that @MikeJ_NpC send me but that information is useless without a proper explanation, he send me some crafted values from a previous one.

Also is not he first time that someone came here with some crafted RSZ values claiming that it is useful to crack a wallet right?

Remember the guy with a 3350 btc challenge: Bitcoin puzzle (3,350.00 BTC's)

Just to be sure, I asked albert0bsd to provide me his list of wallet addresses by PM, which will tell us whether he has access to any of the coins which has now moved. This is not foolproof - but I'm trusting that he sends me all addresses and doesn't withhold anything, otherwise this check will be quite useless.

I already fulfill this request I send to @NotATether my last address, my first address and all Intermediate addreses that i have

I have not problem showing my last address, it is public, its on my github page also signed

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is my bitcoin address.
albert0bsd
18/02/2023
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Coffee1jV4gB5gaXfHgSHDz9xx9QSECVW
H7OpeJRljmu6W9WV6HeTyZH+5a60t2/JQwxrVSRrHsB2PR/i9snXRvGEIEZRG3DCT5sjo2DldroZxNIRJqLrGx4=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I understand more or less the way that NotATether is following, right now he is trying to proof if th wallet belongs to @MikeJ_NpC that is good.

But I also suggest to check if the information that Mike send me by email prior to 11/23/2022 is enough to recover the privatekey, becuase i doubt that without a proper explanation of the source and calculations of those values.

In one of the Mike's email he is refering he has two experts advising him with the values that he sent me.  

[digaran]

How does signing with some random addresses help in this case? Hoping for one of the involved parties to tell the truth and provide everything as they are, is beyond naivety.

[albert0bsd]

How does signing with some random addresses help in this case?

Just showing that is easy proof ownership over some address.

[digaran]

Ok, as long as there are no private key involved, meaning that Mike didn't have the private and couldn't have provided you with even a partial private key, there is no theft. However if you really did( not saying you did ) take the coins by forging a tx signature, Mike could sue you and get to the bottom of this case in no time, remember it's easy to hide financial activity in blockchain, but when it comes to fiat system, governments(courts) they know everything about you.

Moreover, if Mike manages to file a lawsuit against you but fails in the court, you could sue him and ask for compensations, at the end, the one who is telling the truth wins.

[MikeJ_NpC]

Okay luis listen, i am not here to read your made up bs  when i had enough of this crap as i outlined.  You saying it could of been the Russians is pretty stupid for a number of reasons, frankly no it was not, they cant even use swift which i doubt you thought of before asserting that.  i could say your mom did it and would correlate to the same thing.

So this is what is going to happen,.. you can either man up and resolve this with me, or continue to fool yourself when you are not with anyone else. You were lazy and careless on your test transaction there and i already have reports from chain state, iweb, aws and others.  You are impacting things in my life here which i am not going to allow anymore so if you want to think nothing will occur then your a idiot.
I will have you monitored and every dollar you make will be looked at, more so this cracking crap you do any gains from those will be treated as if its from my wallet. You and your friend will never be able to spend the funds and will be watched one way or another for the rest of your life. This inst a small amount of money and you had a liability when you took my data which you did under false pretense to burn me.

Look enough with your shit man, you were naive enough to cash out 300btc the day after it was moved and you went on vacation to some island for 3 1/2 weeks paid for by these funds. Where as in the same breathe you told me you cant afford a 1000 credit card bill... so this must of been the lotto then right?  The day you come back you posted this pathetic slander attempt and pulled the pitty card. or let me guess this was the Russians too or no wait it was your mom i forgot. Wrong it was you and there is a clear trail of intent to defraud me.
So i hope you enjoy the 300 btc it just serves as evidence against you and how your a low life luis .  So LLL you could of just released my wallet to me send half and while i would of been annoyed at least it would of been something fair, i didn't do this to be a hacker cracker like you i did this to help my wife which you are also affecting. Do you think you are able to determine if i file charges on you or something? No and i have not done so yet in an attempt to resolve things with you despite your blatant denial which is not a defense nor serves as a explanation on what occurred which is more than clear. You have wasted enough of my time and now are insulting my intelligence and putting others at risk. IT ends here and instead of trying to assert some childish narrative and possibly pulling the forum into this and the investigation, why dont you admit in private it was a mistake which i can understand but only for alittle bit longer. Despite the suggestions of firms located in Mexico to file charges with the federal police and pending a records pull from the broker who you processed funds with, i have held off for a few days to see if you have any common sense instead of thinking im an idiot or the people who read your crap. What do you think someone is going to come along and make this okay no its not 100 dollars were are talking about and you totally exposed yourself in multiple ways which there is no saying it was the other guy....

The mods agree with me on the wallet and the data and you took it upon yourself to be wreck-less with and took it upon yourself to burn me - well its not up to you to see how this really will play out.. because what i just went over in my prior posts let alone in this one doesn't bode well for you if you want to continue and be a punk. You are doing something here you cant just pretend or want to paint a incorrect narrative on when its only been selfish and blatantly obvious what went on here and can be proven by your own actions and the ones you refrained from doing,  via the reports pending completion or by the evidence that is in your face. I mean really you dont think there are records at the broker or anything else you did? ... even if not do you want to be looked at forever? ... I am not going anywhere so either you can be sued, charges filed if thats what is needed, or settle this with me as i have wanted to do for your mistake. You didn't listen to me then so do it now and it has to be before this coming Monday. No one feels sorry for you other than you not admitting your fallacy and correcting it as you are being given the chance.   I didn't need this shit, i waited and didn't mention what god dam wallet to avoid all of this but sadly no one wanted to give me the process on how to complete it over months of asking, be it as it may does not invalidate the crux of this which is i am the owner claimant and you have committed a crime which most people would do the opposite of what i have here... so if you want to end up with something and be a man okay, otherwise it will be nothing and very hard which i dont want to see as i have my own shit to contend with than someone who either has a weak moment or is a low life and makes software to steal from others which you have done.  Dont take my kindness or these 2 months as weakness,  release the wallet as it was not yours to do with as you please and had liabilities when you accepted to so called help me.  .... you can do it based on your merits or it can be taken from you when charges are filed as you already implicated yourself hope that trip was worth it.

My only mistake was trusting you after years of chatting and thinking you have some set of morals, well do you? or should i just throw out the olive branch and settle for slapping you in the face with reality...... WELL ? .... i dont have anymore patience to give you,  and i am not going to listen to excuses or shit that you are making up after the fact which contradict what you already did ..... save some face here and realize how it should be and what i am saying.
Last chance... There is no prove things, when you did it already back in November and December ... these past 2 months were me wondering what to do and being depressed about this and my wife , but does not mean i will do all i can to set this right, as anyone else would do.  Do you need a investigator to show up at your place to make this more urgent or relevant to you?  that can be arranged or you can start to take this seriously as you caused it. Those are the facts.
You took my data and did whatever with it and moved funds without my permission when i said not too, maybe you need to look all of that up to realize things. Dont know what you are expecting here ... and should be gracious that you have not been arrested yet, which has been suggested more than once to me.  Pull your head from your ass and resolve this before i just say whatever sue you and have it taken via raid or court alike.

i would even take the assertion that you used the SM2 SM3 suggestion that i had implied to attempt and does work.  During this whole nightmare you have shown no empathy or concern, really just the opposite.  You have no right to the funds or what you did on your own accord.
When i didn't say how much or what wallet, you were fine and confirmed it can be solved  and i outline clearly.... then when you receive the info your disinformation and  nonsense started ...  That is more than obvious and am not the only person to clearly see that. Have you tried to help at all the thing you said you would do? No.
You saying it wasn't you or whatever is not a defense and you cannot save any face here other than to admit to it and have it resolved.  Burden of proof is on you. I mean god dam it this is NOT what i wanted for this and WTF.  Anyone else in your shoes would be facing the same as outlined. Also im not here to destroy anyone and have some humility, but clearly the view is not that way for me or my outcome in this....

If i wanted to be obtuse then i would not of asked the mods here to arbitrate the matter before i do something else. However if i wanted to be cynical i could presume something is being worked out behind my back but they have not done anything to assert such a thought and taken steps to help resolve this as they know it was mine. Where as what have you done here and i outlined? ...  oh but you didnt know my name despite chatting for years... yeah  makes sense. =/
oh no,... it was "i asked you after it moved"or that "i never mentioned the 10k wallet" or that " there is nothing in the universe that can prove you moved it"  and other nonsense.... those are things you have said. i still have shown you respect while not deserving it and didn't block you or ignore things these aspects you did and still are.   I posted in here to balance out the perception as people who know me were saying things that were unacceptable and while i see disassociation and discredit and other negatives, anything else which shows you give a shit is missing and a  innocent person would not behave that way or in the least explain their own nonsense.  Accept the help i have asked others to try and resolve here or dont and can continue doing what has not worked unless im retarded.  Which i might be a little bit for trusting you with this. Anyone else in my shoes would not go thru this and just do what is relevant for them, but oh that's harassment and extortion to you.. i forgot  * rolleyes*

*sigh* i need to go take a walk .. maybe it should be off a cliff as im sure you would like *ha*
despite it all i still have done more here than others would ... so i have no qualms

Ok, as long as there are no private key involved, meaning that Mike didn't have the private and couldn't have provided you with even a partial private key, there is no theft. However if you really did( not saying you did ) take the coins by forging a tx signature, Mike could sue you and get to the bottom of this case in no time, remember it's easy to hide financial activity in blockchain, but when it comes to fiat system, governments(courts) they know everything about you.

Moreover, if Mike manages to file a lawsuit against you but fails in the court, you could sue him and ask for compensations, at the end, the one who is telling the truth wins.

Having the shared K is having the key ... dont try to circumvent the relevancy here.   
the odds on having that are 1 in 5000 billion and hold the same credit-ability... 


seems like to me some people need to read everything... not just the cliff notes summaries which are incorrect and didnt spend my time to be the only narrative here god dam it.  ( not you just saying in general )

oh but wait... we must have forgotten about this or the pundits who have verified the data huh ?



try again.  Also this was BEFORE sending him my data or him knowing what wallet or the amount.. which yielded the only honest thing he has said.  when shared k was clearly being discussed


yes doing that is always an option but i rather he have the merit and keep his word ... this is why i didnt mention what wallet or the amount for  months prior when i was looking for clarification on the last step i was stuck on.  unfortunately that info is not widely discussed.

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[digaran]

@Mike, who are these staff members you keep mentioning? I haven seen any staff involved here, maybe you have mistaken some forum members for staff? Anyways I don't see this going anywhere, you insist and he denies, this is natural and that's why we have the laws, rules, courts etc. I can assure you that you'll get nowhere by trying this forum posting, you need to take action now. Good luck guys, keep us posted.

[Stalker22]

@MikeJ_NpC I suggest you stop with these fucking walls of text without explaining or proving anything. There is no doubt that this wallet was never yours to begin with, so please stop harassing the guy since he did not steal anything from you.


https://twitter.com/tokenview2018/status/1595631118694260736

@NotATether, I do not believe albert0bsd needs to prove anything here. Even if we assume that he was able to crack the wallet somehow and transfer the coins, it is highly unlikely that someone sitting on almost a quarter of a billion dollars would be wasting their time responding to this crap. With that kind of money, you can easily pull a Houdini - change your place of residence, assume a new identity, and vanish off the face of the planet without a trace. 

It is obvious that this guy is trolling and blackmailing him with his bullshit stories and threats.

[MikeJ_NpC]

@MikeJ_NpC I suggest you stop with these fucking walls of text without explaining or proving anything. There is no doubt that this wallet was never yours to begin with, so please stop harassing the guy since he did not steal anything from you.


https://twitter.com/tokenview2018/status/1595631118694260736

@NotATether, I do not believe albert0bsd needs to prove anything here. Even if we assume that he was able to crack the wallet somehow and transfer the coins, it is highly unlikely that someone sitting on almost a quarter of a billion dollars would be wasting their time responding to this crap. With that kind of money, you can easily pull a Houdini - change your place of residence, assume a new identity, and vanish off the face of the planet without a trace.  

It is obvious that this guy is trolling and blackmailing him with his bullshit stories and threats.

Okay well opinions are like ass-holes everyone has one and you seem to be one. Why go on the attack for no apparent reason than be fair which is absent from your one line here. Dont be obtuse.
So why dont you discount everyone else in this entire forum then also?  I dont know you but i dont troll or bullshit and have been earnest and provided all information on this.. nice to over look that.

In addition why dont you point out all the bullshit he did which i outlined for people like you.... dont assume things, as i can tell you its incorrect and that is a fact. Where as this was slanted before to one side.
The only one who is bullshit is your post and assertions which are biased for alberto .. so you must be one of his friends who was asked to post here ... ummm yeah.... you cant dispute the facts so thanks for the slander i guess.

I didnt ask to take this public and there was no point in doing so, and that is just the reaction and nonsense i wanted to avoid. thank you for that narrow minded example.
Anyways... so since this is being attended too, and this thread was not started by me, i am limiting myself on current status of things. Just dont make assertions based on nonsense please.
 
Just let the mod handle it and such , this is why they were asked to step in .. so things are not stepped on or overlooked. There is more than one aspect here as well.

Here is the mapping for that day..  Thank you.

[albert0bsd]

Okay luis listen, i am not here to read your made up bs

Me neither

Seems that yuo should listen your own words and try to apply it to your self

Okay well opinions are like ass-holes everyone has one and you seem to be one.

That also apply to you no?, you has your own opinion and beliefs

as i can tell you its incorrect and that is a fact.

Fact where? That is your opinion

Just dont make assertions based on nonsense please.

You are making assertions based on your own beliefs...

Here is the mapping for that day..  Thank you.

And what that proves?

I recomend to anyone who want post something in this topic take the next recomendations:

Code:

Stick to the facts: Make sure that any information or data you present in your post is accurate, reliable,[b] and can be verified through reputable sources[/b]. Avoid using information from sources that have a clear bias or agenda.

Be objective: Try to present information in a neutral and balanced way, without taking a particular side or viewpoint. Avoid using emotive language, and instead use clear and concise language that presents the information in a factual way.

Acknowledge other viewpoints: Recognize that there may be other perspectives or opinions on the topic you are discussing, and show that you have considered these viewpoints in your post. You can do this by presenting counterarguments or acknowledging potential weaknesses in your own argument.

Use logical reasoning: Use logical reasoning to support your points and arguments. This means using evidence to support your claims, and making sure that your arguments are logically consistent and coherent.

Avoid personal attacks: Refrain from making personal attacks or derogatory comments about individuals or groups. Stick to the issues and ideas being discussed, rather than attacking people's character or motives.

Stay open-minded: Be open to new information or ideas that challenge your own views. This can help you to refine your own thinking and contribute to a more productive and informative discussion.

Note that i can lock this topic, but im not going to do that, unless the personal attacks continue.

[Stalker22]

Instead of rambling on and on with your walls of text, try streamlining your argument. The constant repetition is getting annoying.

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Just let the mod handle it and such , this is why they were asked to step in .. so things are not stepped on or overlooked. There is more than one aspect here as well.

Well, it seems that you have missed the memo, so let me spell it out for you: modes couldn't care less about your complaints or your whining. Their job is to ensure that the forum rules are followed, period. And while we are at it, why don't you take a moment to read the damn rules yourself?

Here is the mapping for that day..  Thank you.

Your point?

[MikeJ_NpC]

How about stop attacking me ... when he was the one who stole my funds and used my propitiatory data to do so.  That is my point
Yet lets continue diluting the main aspect ... good job.

I have paused filing a judgement against luis which will effect him in Mexico in lieu of feed back from the mods, but you can sit there and assume they dont care and make crass assumptions instead.
Im not the one here who did something wrong.. realize that and dont need others input when its biased to say the least. Its easy to run your mouth when it doesn't involve you.

The rules dont allow members to steal from others under the guise of helping. Give me a god dam break. How the hell am i whining you troll when he was the one who opened this thread.
More so if no one cares then i will just move forward with what i already have confirmed is relevant oh but those lawyers and such are wrong too due to these rules huh... right...
Stop hating on me for no reason or make up conjecture.

MikeJ_NpC has privately asked me to be an arbitrator for this conflict so I invite @albert0bsd to message my account to give me details on what has happened between them.

For my wellbeing and mental health I am not going to give much importance to this

ya because it was a attempt to assert pitty on something which didnt occur.... and yet some here say im whining ... 

I let it sit for a few months but im getting tired of the baseless attacks.  Anyways since you posted this nonsense attack against me trying to twist the narrative .. .and that this is being arbitrated in private which doesn't involve others, then yes....lock the thread.

I guess its different when you are the one who worked on something for years and have it stolen. More so anyone who wants to belittle or assert nonsense while not enduring that nightmare is naive, sorry it couldn't be any of you...    but to some the rules supersede laws  uh-huh.

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[albert0bsd]

..and that this is being arbitrated in private which doesn't involve others

you ask for it and I am participating voluntarily.

I have paused filing a judgement against luis which will effect him in Mexico

What thing stop you? please do it. I don't care I have nothing to hide. I am tired of your last chaces.

Code:

28 Nov, 2022: Last chance .... and FYI
13 Feb, 2023: last time
15 Feb, 2023: you have  24 hours....

I wll keep this open just in case that @NotATether will post something

[Stalker22]

How about stop attacking me ... when he was the one who stole my funds and used my propitiatory data to do so.  That is my point
Yet lets continue diluting the main aspect ... good job.

Based on the messages you have sent, it appears that you were the one who engaged in verbal abuse, threats, and extortion towards albert0bsd. Just re-read some of the stuff you posted and see for yourself. Regarding the second part of your argument, I will repeat it again:
1) You have not provided sufficient evidence to establish that the wallet in question belongs to you, nor have you demonstrated any legal entitlement to it.
2) You also lack credible evidence to support your claim that albert0bsd actually stole the funds.

I have paused filing a judgement against luis which will effect him in Mexico in lieu of feed back from the mods, but you can sit there and assume they dont care and make crass assumptions instead.

I was not making stuff up earlier, it is actually a verifiable fact. The mods on this platform do not mess with people's personal drama. So, stop saying the same crap over and over again.

Im not the one here who did something wrong.. realize that and dont need others input when its biased to say the least. Its easy to run your mouth when it doesn't involve you.

Just a quick reminder, you are discussing this in a public forum, in case you forgot. If different opinions bother you, then I suggest you go find yourself a nice echo chamber.

The rules dont allow members to steal from others under the guise of helping. Give me a god dam break.

What specific rules you are referring to?

How the hell am i whining you troll when he was the one who opened this thread.
More so if no one cares then i will just move forward with what i already have confirmed is relevant oh but those lawyers and such are wrong too due to these rules huh... right...
Stop hating on me for no reason or make up conjecture.

Stop bullying and harassing other people! Three months ago you threatened to take him to court, so if you truly believe you are in the right, why not follow through with it already?

[MikeJ_NpC]

Look i am going to make this clear for anyone to understand..

Luis stole the funds from me .. misused my data which was given to him under the guise of helping...
The wallet its funds and data belonged to me, i am the claimant and that is not disputable and was verified
I have had discussions with the person who helped luis do this and stated they wish it didn't happen and to reverse it
Luis has committed theft among other crimes against me .. as per my attorney despite whatever biased view or attempt to discredit have been said here
This matter is no ones business other than mine and his , so save your disinformation comments for someone who gives a shit as i dont care and is not open for debate.
The burden of proof is not on me, and i have ample evidence and have shown such to indicate its mine, to assert otherwise is biased and ignoring facts. He couldn't even say how it was accomplished period. Wasnt on his cracking software yet hes not a theft he claims.
Luis if you dont return 160m to me where as you can keep the rise in value today 220m ... then you will be in a Mexican jail and judgements brought against you and those are the facts and not asserted by me but attorneys, i havent shown everything and wont.
I will not pause things anymore, and Monday i will call them to inform to move forward which will cause other investigations. Anyone else with comments can shove it as its easy to be a troll and confuse the real facts of this that he lied and is a theft.
There is more than enough on what occurred, you are all not attorneys, you are all not involved, you are not the person he fucked over and i didn't ask for this thread or for this bullshit he caused or others trying to make worse and assert incorrect notions...
The reports are clear along with everything else, you want to give him bad advice and condone his god dam theft then you are a low life as well.. i didn't ask for this and as validated by 20 other pundits and important members i should of had the same courtesy as anyone else and  it was clearly mine.
Luis you had no btc when this occurred as per your own words were poor and couldn't afford a 1000 credit card bill.. now you have almost 100 btc which you think your smart saying but that... but it  just confirmed it came from my wallet and the trace reports even show,.. those are the facts. Do as i suggested before this is beyond my control.
As for everyone else,you are not involved in this... so stop. I have nothing else to say nor will pay attention to this thread as its all an attempt to disparage, defame and insult me and twist the fact into something which is just absolutely wrong, out of jealously and being a troll... i dont feed the trolls but i will get what is mine one way or another.
making this public and talking slander about me or this is just something to add ontop of everything else and was caused by him.....good job.  Luis accept what i am saying as you still end up with the difference other than going to jail and multiple parties being sued ... let alone you being watched for the rest of your life... or you can listen to assholes who have no skin in this and dont care in the end what happens.
i have been understanding to this point, when others would do alot more,  and me willing to even give you a offer shows more than you have towards me.. but i will not wait anymore and you know what should be done... dont be a low life and honor your god dam word when you will lose in the end here... i know more than you think.  Your choice. I wont be commenting in here anymore and using this as well so i would lock it.
IF someone wanted to comment then they shouldnt be baised and ignore the facts surrounding this, or talk as if they know, because they dont. I dont need to see more bullshit when i had enough from luis already... grow up.


Also i have 2 dozen pms and emails where they say that his actions were dishonest misleading and wrong and most of them dont like what he did and concur with me... so if 1 person wants to go against the rest of the people then whatever common sense escapes some.

[NotATether]

@everyone

The proposal I've come up with to settle the disputes by both parties is the following:

- alberto pays MikeJ 10,000BTC at the price of $16,500 per BTC.

That is all.

Please note that I'm not necessarily taking any sides here as my job is to mediate this dispute. However, this will be my first and only proposal for both parties, as going through all these messages is wasting a lot of my time (now I know why lawyers get paid so much).

So if one or both parties are not satisfied with this proposal then I will leave it for them to resolve among themselves.

I wish to not be involved in this thread after this.

Peace.

[ABCbits]

Look i am going to make this clear for anyone to understand..

--snip--

Yes, we understand you claim you have proof but you won't show any other proof publicly (I can't access the .docx on Dropbox either).

@everyone

The proposal I've come up with to settle the disputes by both parties is the following:

- alberto pays MikeJ 10,000BTC at the price of $16,500 per BTC.

That is all.

OP would reject this proposal and other party is unlikely to show other proof publicly, so it's time to lock this thread.

[albert0bsd]

--snip--

Seriusly another text-wall?? Even the Lorem ipsim is more pleasing to the eye than your lies. @MikeJ_NpC  go to fuck your self

The proposal I've come up with to settle the disputes by both parties is the following:

- alberto pays MikeJ 10,000BTC at the price of $16,500 per BTC.

...

So if one or both parties are not satisfied with this proposal then I will leave it for them to resolve among themselves.

WTF? based of what?

anyway...

OP would reject this proposal and other party is unlikely to show other proof publicly, so it's time to lock this thread.

Of course I disagree that becase:

• @MikeJ_NpC  fail to prove his ownership of the wallet before his claims.
• @MikeJ_NpC  fail to prove that his data (Two RSZ values) let to disclose the privatekey.

His whole argument is "bla bla bla... I am right you are wrong and that is not up for debate" without prove anything...

Curiously, 15 minutes after the posting last message of @MikeJ_NpC on this topic, I received an email from some fake email address, it was written in a bad translate Spanish saying that he is going to send me to the Mexican Mafia a.k.a Cartel to my house. Can you guys believe that? Lol that is very funny because the email is written is a really bad spanish


Spanish motherfucker do you speak it?

Send me to whatever your want.

- Your lawyers
- Any Judge
- FBI
- CIA
- NSA
- Secret service
- Finsec
- Army
- Marines
- Ejercito
- Policia Federal
- The Mexican President
- The Mexican Cartel
- The Chapo
- Your mom

Let me write is Clearly. I DONT FUCKING CARE