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December 27, 2022, 07:05:38 PM
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Zenland team wishes all Bitcointalk members merry Christmas and a happy New Year ⛄⛄⛄

And, we have left 5 slots available (3 Full & Sr. Members + 2 Hero & Legendary) for testing our Marketplace. We're finishing up with the changes and updates we had in our pipeline and ideas from new testers would be much appreciated.

The following members have successfully run their tests, submitted reports, and received their rewards.

  • rdluffy
  • Coin_trader
  • MAAManda
  • Woodie
  • JeromeTash

Thank you

I would love to help test your network but I'm still in a member rank and will be glad if given the opportunity to be a tester as well.
Thanks in anticipation for a favourable response from you.

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December 27, 2022, 09:28:44 PM
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I will be happy to test your new marketplace service after i have been a tester also in your escrow service
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December 28, 2022, 12:41:46 AM
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I knew your website wasn't strange to me, so I went through my DMs and found a feedback request you sent a few months ago. I would love to test it now if the invitation is still up (was traveling at that time). Cheesy

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December 28, 2022, 11:13:05 AM
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I would love to help test your network but I'm still in a member rank and will be glad if given the opportunity to be a tester as well.
Thanks in anticipation for a favourable response from you.
Thank you for your interest, Obari. Even though member rank users were not included in the current round of Marketplace tests, after checking your profile and recent posts, we decided your feedback could be of value.

Please, feel free to submit your details indicated in the How to apply section of the OP.

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December 28, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
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I would love to help test your network but I'm still in a member rank and will be glad if given the opportunity to be a tester as well.
Thanks in anticipation for a favourable response from you.
Thank you for your interest, Obari. Even though member rank users were not included in the current round of Marketplace tests, after checking your profile and recent posts, we decided your feedback could be of value.

Please, feel free to submit your details indicated in the How to apply section of the OP.

Thank you and below are my details

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December 28, 2022, 05:38:46 PM
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Seller account ---> Chrome
Buyer account ---> Microsoft Edge


I had tested "Create Contract" and "Add Item" features and I faced some minor issues. I think circumventing these issues will help you to improve your platform.

First:: I tried to change Nickname of my accounts from anonymous to Seller and Buyer but i was unable to put a space between "Seller_account" (Which is a nick name i selected for my seller account). But i was able to put space between two letters. Which i figured out lately
---> I Think it would be good to solve this problem because i was hitting space again and again and it was really frustrating.
 

Second:: The layout of your steps of contract completion, looks odd (personal opinion) i think you should put a Green tick at some position of each step and it would be nice if the size of exclamatory sign would be decreased. Otherwise it also looks fine. Just a personal opinion.



Third::  I have fullfilled it from both (Buyer and Seller) sides but it was not updating itself. so i thought maybe i should refresh the page and come back then this issue solves by itself on refreshing.
My opinion is if it's possible that auto refreshing should be done automatically when a action took place from one side or the other side. I face this manually refreshing issue on my buyer account (Microsoft Edge) not on Chrome. I thought maybe it's worth to mention platforms too.  You maybe wondering the nick name on this screenshot is still anonymous. just to clear i changed names at the end of testing but to avoid confusion it is Buyer account


Fourth:: I filled the whole forum my internet was also working fine but when i try to add the item then it was not working so i just refreshed the page and all of my information that i filled was gone. maybe it could be possible to keep them there even after refreshing the page. and is it possible to send pdf or other attachments through this platform? if, yes! then it would be really good for freelancers.


Fifth:: A back button to go back would be easy as every time i have to click at contract or item section just to go back to list page.



Things i like the most about your Platform are:
1. Overall User-interface was really good. even if a newbie visit your platform he/she could easily know what to do. well additionally you guys can add tutorials of video or animated tutorials for easy guide.
2. Message system to communicate with other side and double tick option when other person sees your text. as confirmation sign.
3.   option of choosing buyer, seller and 50/50 Fee of the contract. i really like it.


Conclusion:
After thorough testing, i appreciate the working of platform. i faced some minor issues in UX and in making items but after that it was smoothly going. I hope my opinion would help you to improve Zenland platform to some more extent. overall experience was smooth.

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December 31, 2022, 08:57:39 PM
Last edit: January 05, 2023, 08:53:06 AM by GxSTxV
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Edit: I confirm receiving full payment from ZenLand

I’m glad that once again i got a chance to test your new services before it was ZanLand escrow platform  now Marketplace i will give you my full and honest review after creating an item from my first account and buying it from my second one.

First step: it’s always an easy way to access your account which is related to your MetaMask wallet after choosing your wanted network, in my case Binance Testnet  with only two clicks you can login and have full access to ZenLand services, In My items from the menu i could start adding an item

Second step: Adding the item with all the details and features i want as name price delivery and buyer protection time, accepted networks and tokens which is a good option which makes it easier for both buyer and seller, and what i liked the most is the two simple features which are very important at the same time, one off product and pre approved item, after putting all details needed to sell sell your item you can add it instantly.


Third step: logging into my second account to buy the item i have just created, i copied the item link and gave the first approval from my buyer account after that i had to login into my first account to give the seller approval for the product, and come back once again to my buyer account ( it would be better if i worked with two browsers or devices but fine) and then deploying the contacts and getting charged with fees before payment transfer which was 5 BUSD in my case, once again as a seller i should complete the deal of the item, and from my buyer account i released the amount of the item and can leave a review.




After following all these steps everything went smoothly and i didn’t face any issue from adding an item until successfully buying it with my second account also switching between accounts every time was quick with 0 issues.

Things i noticed that maybe you need to edit
There something that maybe if a buyer didn’t notice he can be in a lot of troubles, which is if the seller set like a big time for delivery time, the buyer can’t open a dispute until that time. What if the seller set like 30 days or more. It’s better if you set a maximum time for it IMO


Good things i noticed
After editing your profile name your link will have your username instead your wallet address.
there is no fees when adding items which is also a good thing.
Easy and fast access to my own account

Things that can make your marketplace better
-Adding categories for each item such as, Design, accounts, products , collectibles, translating for example
-Adding the option of making your item public or not, so people can search on Zenland marketplace for the items or products they want
-Adding an option of promoting items for some extra fees, where sellers can make their items show on first page of Zenland marketplace

This is just my opinion and also my own experience with your Marketplace, i liked the simplicity and security of your platform.

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edit: I confirm receiving the 30 USDT for the review. Thank you. Smiley


Some thoughts:

1. On the Login page, you could improve UX by letting people know beforehand that they will need to sign a message and what that means (especially that they won't pay any gas).

2. Maybe this is just me overthinking, but I just feel that "who is buying" and "who is selling" would suit better rather than "buyer" and "seller" on the "New Contract" card. More of this in the next point. Tongue

3. IMO, you could change the flow of the "New Contract" page in a way that looks like Typeform, one question at a time. Instead of a bunch of inputs, ask the user "Who is the buyer?", then "Who is the seller", etc... you could then put the tooltip description next to it, making it simpler for everyone to understand what each input represents.

From this: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/13/blobb56650ad4f242c08.png
To this: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/13/blobc82e7e6f8057d30b.png

4. Another UX improvement, maybe turn the "Buyer protection time" input red (as in "error") when the value is invalid (i.e < 24 hours) instead of just warning about this when the user clicks the "Create" button.

5. I can't use decimals on the "Agreed amount" field (i.e 4.5 BUSD).

6. Maybe make it clearer that changes were made to the contract (i.e popup the notification on the screen, highlight the contract info that has changed, etc...). I could see myself approving something without noticing the change. I noticed there is a warning in the chat, but I could (also) see myself just talking with the other party through Telegram or DMs, completely ignoring that section.

7. On the contract page, you can't change the "buyer protection time" back to 24 hours (it should be >= 24 rather than > 24).

8. The contract we deploy isn't verified on the block explorer. Is that because you don't want to end up open-sourcing your contract template? If not, you can do that programmatically through Etherscan (docs here) and Bscscan (docs here). I'm not sure about the other explorers, though. That would improve the confidence of the contract and the platform (i.e "what if Zenland has a hidden backdoor on the contract?")

9. Remember which networks the seller accepts his payments through so he doesn't need to select everything all the time if he's adding many different items.

10. On the "My items" page, add a button to "share" an item, which should open the item's public page in a different tab or copy its URL to the clipboard.

11. Instead of the "One off product", let the seller specify how many items he has in stock. That info should show up on the item's product page. Let the buyer choose how many items he wants to buy at once.

12. Let the buyer write on the "Contract details" field or at least add an option for "Buyer extra details". Show the details on the contract info and on the chat. Maybe I (buyer) already want to specify where the seller should send my items (i.e my account id or email).

13. A direct visit to https://beta.zen.land/items?limit=10 results in an infinite loading of the "My items" card (printscreen). Visiting it through the sidebar worked, though.

14. Let the seller deny/delete a contract draft before both parties approve it. Also maybe block an address from buying if someone is spamming contracts.

Overall, everything went smoothly. I would probably use the platform as a middleman/store if I deem it trusted (super extra points if the contracts are verified so I could check it myself).

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January 01, 2023, 07:07:19 AM
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It is actually my first time testing a service and I do hope my reviews will help.
I did my testing  from an Android device and I will be giving my reviews based on my experience from this device.
SOME REVIEWS
~ Firstly it wasn't an easy process navigating through all that was listed and it was actually also my first time using metamask  and I had to try to figure things out by my self.

~ I will also suggest that you work on improving the mobile version access of this entire process as I think most users from my country deal more on mobile phones rather than laptops.

~ When creating an item, I think it should also be possible to search for the item created rather than copying the profile link of the seller.

~ I also love the fact that no gas fee was paid but rather just signing a message and this is also a great feature.

~ I think the processes is really much and if there was a more better way it could be compressed and the process reduced then it will be better.

~ the protection time should also be worked on as there are possibilities of either the buyer or the seller not being available at the moment.

~ I Didn't notice a notification outside the site and I think a drop-down notification and also an offline notification will really help when a transaction is going on just incase either of the parties aren't online.

~ While choosing a network, I will suggest that the name of the network be visible rather than just it's symbols to make things easier.

~ one thing I love is the fact that nothing will be done unconsciously on the site as all the processes requires approval from both the buyer and the seller.

~ I really don't think the deployment fee should be charged from just the buyers account but be split.

~ I love the chat session of the process and how it was automated after completing the process.

In conclusion, I think you guys did a great job and I only had issues while creating the item and I guess this was because I was using a mobile device and I will strongly suggest your team works on the mobile version.

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It is actually my first time testing a service and I do hope my reviews will help.
I did my testing  from an Android device and I will be giving my reviews based on my experience from this device.
SOME REVIEWS
~ Firstly it wasn't an easy process navigating through all that was listed and it was actually also my first time using metamask  and I had to try to figure things out by my self.

~ I will also suggest that you work on improving the mobile version access of this entire process as I think most users from my country deal more on mobile phones rather than laptops.

~ When creating an item, I think it should also be possible to search for the item created rather than copying the profile link of the seller.

~ I also love the fact that no gas fee was paid but rather just signing a message and this is also a great feature.

~ I think the processes is really much and if there was a more better way it could be compressed and the process reduced then it will be better.

~ the protection time should also be worked on as there are possibilities of either the buyer or the seller not being available at the moment.

~ I Didn't notice a notification outside the site and I think a drop-down notification and also an offline notification will really help when a transaction is going on just incase either of the parties aren't online.

~ While choosing a network, I will suggest that the name of the network be visible rather than just it's symbols to make things easier.

~ one thing I love is the fact that nothing will be done unconsciously on the site as all the processes requires approval from both the buyer and the seller.

~ I really don't think the deployment fee should be charged from just the buyers account but be split.

~ I love the chat session of the process and how it was automated after completing the process.

In conclusion, I think you guys did a great job and I only had issues while creating the item and I guess this was because I was using a mobile device and I will strongly suggest your team works on the mobile version.


Thank you for accepting my reviews and I've also received my reward and  will be glad to help make more reviews if given the opportunity to do so.
I will also recommend the use of their escrow just incase you need a trusted service.

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My first "hello!" to the BitcoinTalk forum this year! Here's to new beginnings in 2023! Wish you and your loved ones a prosperous year ahead. With that said, my due responses to our marketplace testers Smiley


I'm just wondering why does the minimum delivery date is 12 hours? Why it can't be set to a lower time frame which makes the buyer easily get the item?
Actually the minimum delivery time is 1 hour. The placeholder (as 12*) has been displayed incorrectly and has already been fixed on the test server. You should see them once the updates are live.


On choosing the network,  Is it more easy to make the list in drop down form and state the name of the network instead of just the symbol of the Blockchain network?
While choosing a network, I will suggest that the name of the network be visible rather than just it's symbols to make things easier.
I see the confusion here is likely because of both test and main networks with the same icons (for Eth and BSC for example). Once live, only major and well known EVM networks will be represented and so the confusion should no longer persist. That said, these suggestions are taken into account and will be reviewed once more user feedback is in.


Lastly, Is there a way to null and void the existing contract without finishing the transaction? I made a mistake for not checking the pre approved box and I don't know how to close the existing contract so that I can sell the item in new settings.
The future contracts for the same item will not be impacted by not checking the pre-approved box if you edit the item. Also because the pre-approved feature impacts only the pre-approval stage, there is no need to void the existing contract. If checked, it will let buyer(s) deploy and transfer payment without your manual approval. If not, you should just approve the contracts created and the rest is the same for both escrow contracts.


I just want to request for an easy share link for an item
Oh yes, that's on our To-Do list and will be live in the upcoming releases.


First:: I tried to change Nickname of my accounts from anonymous to Seller and Buyer but i was unable to put a space between "Seller_account"
Spaces are not allowed in usernames. We'll add username and bio tooltips to the settings page to make requirements clearer.


Third::  I have fullfilled it from both (Buyer and Seller) sides but it was not updating itself. so i thought maybe i should refresh the page and come back then this issue solves by itself on refreshing.
From the screenshot provided, I see the backend did not auto-refresh the contract state in buyer because the transaction has not been successfully processed by the network yet (thus, button displays "Confirming"). Once the blockchain transaction is complete, changes are made to a contract. Then, the backend receives request results and the frontend displays them to the user.  


Fourth:: I filled the whole forum my internet was also working fine but when i try to add the item then it was not working so i just refreshed the page and all of my information that i filled was gone. maybe it could be possible to keep them there even after refreshing the page. and is it possible to send pdf or other attachments through this platform? if, yes! then it would be really good for freelancers.
I see your point and taking note of it. Yet the information is not recorded before the user takes any contract action (create is one of them). Also, for security reasons, we do not store any file attachments on our servers. Also, suggestion #5 will be reviewed as more users request this feature.


Third step:[/b] logging into my second account to buy the item i have just created, i copied the item link and gave the first approval from my buyer account after that i had to login into my first account to give the seller approval for the product, and come back once again to my buyer account ( it would be better if i worked with two browsers or devices but fine)
And this is the key reason why we've introduced pre-approved contracts right here! Ticking off "Pre-approved item" in the Additional settings saves time for both parties. The seller does not have to manually approve every single contract for a specific item, and the buyer can deploy the contract and deposit payment into it without waiting for the seller.


There something that maybe if a buyer didn’t notice he can be in a lot of troubles, which is if the seller set like a big time for delivery time, the buyer can’t open a dispute until that time. What if the seller set like 30 days or more. It’s better if you set a maximum time for it IMO
There is no maximum hours or days for the delivery time to not limit the provision of products or services. We believe that putting a stricter limit of say, 10 or 15 days or even 30 will not be suitable for different circumstances (a.i. logistics, certain safety requirements (if any), etc.). Users on both sides are advised to get familiar with the purchasing terms before taking any action with the contract.


Things that can make your marketplace better
-Adding categories for each item such as, Design, accounts, products , collectibles, translating for example
-Adding the option of making your item public or not, so people can search on Zenland marketplace for the items or products they want
-Adding an option of promoting items for some extra fees, where sellers can make their items show on first page of Zenland marketplace
These suggestions are already a part of our pre-launch list and will be implemented when our public marketplace is officially live (planned for Q1)


1. On the Login page, you could improve UX by letting people know beforehand that they will need to sign a message and what that means (especially that they won't pay any gas).
Hmm, there is a message saying wallet connection does not charge any gas fee in Metamask sign message, but I see the point. The message is not visible if the user is not logged into his/her Metamask wallet and this may raise concerns over the cost. It will be further discussed with the developers and changes should be live in the next version updates.


2. Maybe this is just me overthinking, but I just feel that "who is buying" and "who is selling" would suit better rather than "buyer" and "seller" on the "New Contract" card. More of this is in the next point. Tongue
TryNinja, thank you for taking the testing one step further and trying our default escrow contracts! They are already live at https://app.zen.land and additions can be made as we gather more feedback from the users.


4. Another UX improvement, maybe turn the "Buyer protection time" input red (as in "error") when the value is invalid (i.e < 24 hours) instead of just warning about this when the user clicks the "Create" button.
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14. Let the seller deny/delete a contract draft before both parties approve it. Also maybe block an address from buying if someone is spamming contracts.
Invalid input warning while form-filling along with the item URL fix and share button will be implemented in the next releases. Also, the bug fix for Contract editing for buyer protection time has been sent to Team Lead.

Suggestion #5 has been requested by the majority of users and thus, has already been implemented on the test server and should be live on our next version updates.

Suggestion #6 makes sense, but personally I am (and I am sure a lot of other people as well) not a fan of pop-up windows. Though I'll keep this as a notice.

Next, adding the number of items in stock was the original idea that we had to withhold. This is because our item contracts are both for products and services that have no stock. Same with the buyer choosing the number of products to buy. Though unquestionably the right way to do for a typical marketplace, it may have unforeseen difficulties for different types of sellers.

For extra details, such as account id or email, buyer can always use the Contract Chat. It does not require any additional credentials to use and saves the relevant information for a specific contract between the two participants.

We do not store any information about contracts, including often selected networks. Yet this will be further discussed and implemented once the separate Network settings are available to the seller.

Finally, the question about the block explorer. It isn't clear to me whether you mean the source code or the code of the specific contract a user deploys. In the first case, the code can be publicly viewed on GitHub here https://github.com/zenland-dao/contracts. In the second, we didn't not want other users to know that the contract is escrow because it rises privacy issues what if the buyer or a seller don't want others to know that they deployed escrow contract? That's why it's hidden. But now I am thinking that we should add an option if a user agrees to make the contract data fully  disclosed in a block explorer or not.

Deny/delete option is on our To-Do list and should further be developed once the ground work for a marketplace is over.


~ I will also suggest that you work on improving the mobile version access of this entire process as I think most users from my country deal more on mobile phones rather than laptops.
Noted. The team is working on device compatibility already and it will further be discussed.


~ When creating an item, I think it should also be possible to search for the item created rather than copying the profile link of the seller.
Upon the launch of the public marketplace users will be able to both search for items and see user profiles/stores with the displayed items.


~ the protection time should also be worked on as there are possibilities of either the buyer or the seller not being available at the moment.
Buyer protection time starts whenever the seller clicks "Complete". If buyer has not received anything and see no changes in the contract state (contract is active and not fulfilled), the buyer may open a dispute and try to contact the seller (through the Chat or externally). If this has no effect, the dispute can be escalated to a neutral third party. I believe that setting automatic control over the contract terms that the two users decided is not right. Also, as a web3 project, we cannot impose influence over users' smart contracts.


~ I Didn't notice a notification outside the site and I think a drop-down notification and also an offline notification will really help when a transaction is going on just in case either of the parties aren't online.
In the best practices of web3, we do not intend (at least in the foreseeable future) to support push notifications.


~ I really don't think the deployment fee should be charged from just the buyer's account but be split.
Contract deployment just like funds transfer and contract completion are direct contract interactions its participants take. The fees go directly to the blockchain and, to my knowledge, they technically cannot be split between the parties.

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Hey, I hope the new year is doing great on your side.

Could you please confirm if I was sent any rewards in an address of mine I may not be aware about? I just checked the BTC address I sent you and there was no transaction as stated.

Thanks.

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Hey, I hope the new year is doing great on your side.

Could you please confirm if I was sent any rewards in an address of mine I may not be aware about? I just checked the BTC address I sent you and there was no transaction as stated.

Thanks.

Hello Jerome, sorry about that, I received your BTC wallet from Zenland team on 23rd of December but I guess I overlooked and forgot to send the money.  Just sent it to the address initially provided. Thank you for being our beta tester.

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Finally, the question about the block explorer. It isn't clear to me whether you mean the source code or the code of the specific contract a user deploys. In the first case, the code can be publicly viewed on GitHub here https://github.com/zenland-dao/contracts. In the second, we didn't not want other users to know that the contract is escrow because it rises privacy issues what if the buyer or a seller don't want others to know that they deployed escrow contract? That's why it's hidden. But now I am thinking that we should add an option if a user agrees to make the contract data fully  disclosed in a block explorer or not.
Yes, I meant the contract code which is shown on Etherscan and similar explorers through the Contract page. The one I deployed, for example, only shows the bytecode rather than the actual code: https://testnet.bscscan.com/address/0x858fc6a0babc400ed067270b8aefa7e81bfb11f2#code

I understand not verifying that as a way of "hiding" what the contract actually is (an escrow contract) at first look. On the other side, a verified contract code means that both parties (if more technical) can check that the contract does exactly what it should do (no hidden functions/backdoors). Cons and pros, I guess.

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Hello Jerome, sorry about that, I received your BTC wallet from Zenland team on 23rd of December but I guess I overlooked and forgot to send the money.  Just sent it to the address initially provided. Thank you for being our beta tester.
Payment received. Thanks bud  Smiley

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January 09, 2023, 09:36:21 AM
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The following members have successfully run their tests, submitted reports, and received their rewards.

  • GxSTxV
  • TryNinja
  • Obari
  • Hamza2424

We have one more review in progress after which the current round of Marketplace Beta tests will be temporarily closed. A few new features are being developed at the moment and their release may need another round of tests.

Thank you to all the participants and applicants of the Marketplace testing round 1. We will update this thread or create a new one once the new features are live on the test server.

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