We can not discuss if 'ChipMixer is a honeypot or not' outside their own thread?

[Timelord2067]

... Honeypot ...

Not to mention the Terrabytes of user data that was taken into custody along with the  ?$44M? USD in Bitcoins exchanged.

[FatFork]

... Honeypot ...

Not to mention the Terrabytes of user data that was taken into custody along with the  ?$44M? USD in Bitcoins exchanged.

To be precise, it's terabytes of data, not "user data". At this moment, it's difficult to determine the exact nature of the information that was seized.

My best guess is that it's the size of DigitalOcean's droplet storage, and it's possible that most of the space is actually unused, i.e. it doesn't contain any data, which can create the impression of larger data volumes. This is simply due to the way disk images are managed and provisioned in cloud environments.

[BlackHatCoiner]

It's when you take money to try and get other people to be foolish is where my issue is.

You don't have to say it again and again that it's foolish to have privacy with mixing. We get it. You don't like it.

Damn, you've straight up been pulling every merchant you deal with into this ChipMixer mess investigation so you can hide that the funds came from your ChipMixer advertising?  Man, that's coldhearted as hell... Talk about passing the buck...

Damn, I was trying to protect my Internet identity when interacting with complete strangers. What a scum that I am.

If you want to talk users into entering honeypots to help them scam others here so you can get a quick buck, that's on you.

You talk a lot about scams, but I see no action. Why didn't you accuse the entire business for scam when it was alive? We have a board for this very reason. Maybe your arguments don't hold water.

[OgNasty]

If you want to talk users into entering honeypots to help them scam others here so you can get a quick buck, that's on you.

You talk a lot about scams, but I see no action. Why didn't you accuse the entire business for scam when it was alive? We have a board for this very reason. Maybe your arguments don't hold water.

I literally did call it a honeypot. I said multiple times it was a money laundering operation. I even came out and said beforehand that it would be shut down and to not use it. I was already being retaliated against by multiple members of their signature campaign in the trust network. I did plenty. Why was I the only one is the better question.

[Timelord2067]

I seem to recall Thule and or TOAA etc start threads and were then hammered by the DT 1 Trolls too.

(I may have said something once or twice, but it's been quite a while and I may be mistaken)

[OgNasty]

I seem to recall Thule and or TOAA etc start threads and were then hammered by the DT 1 Trolls too.

(I may have said something once or twice, but it's been quite a while and I may be mistaken)

Ya, this ChipMixer honeypot / money laundering organization utilized by scammers here and the way that it was defended and promoted by DT1 members who claim to be against scammers here really exposed some things myself and others had been saying for a long time. DT1 has been compromised. I’d give myself as the perfect example of someone who has been retaliated against for doing the right thing. Some of them even have Vod in their trusted network after it’s been proven he is a liar, extortionist, doxxer, and tried to raise funds from this community before disappearing… These people don’t care about what’s right or honest, they only want to gain power to punish people while behaving far worse themselves.

[DooMAD]

I seem to recall Thule and or TOAA etc start threads and were then hammered by the DT 1 Trolls too.

(I may have said something once or twice, but it's been quite a while and I may be mistaken)

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.  Anything to try and score a cheap point. 

There is still no evidence that Chipmixer was a honeypot.  And even if it did turn out to be (and I'm fairly confident that's not the case), it doesn't suddenly redeem anyone who has been distrusted or tagged by a campaign member.

ITT:  Disreputable people clutching at straws.

[OgNasty]

I seem to recall Thule and or TOAA etc start threads and were then hammered by the DT 1 Trolls too.

(I may have said something once or twice, but it's been quite a while and I may be mistaken)

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.  Anything to try and score a cheap point. 

There is still no evidence that Chipmixer was a honeypot.  And even if it did turn out to be (and I'm fairly confident that's not the case), it doesn't suddenly redeem anyone who has been distrusted or tagged by a campaign member.

ITT:  Disreputable people clutching at straws.

There’s a problem here that goes deeper than them just promoting a honeypot. This thread is about if we can even discuss it. You can see that there’s pushback from discussing that topic, even now from you. These members in DT1 retaliating on anyone that sounds the whistle about their promotion of illegal activity is a problem. Adding users to the trust network or “hammering” topics as a form of retaliation against people is serious dishonest behavior. Don’t try to sweep it under the rug.

[BlackHatCoiner]

I literally did call it a honeypot.

You literally called it a honeypot and it was literally shut down by those who run honeypots. You have no evidence that ChipMixer was a honeypot, and yet you still think you are some kind of genius.

I said multiple times it was a money laundering operation.

Saying without accusing is pointless. I can make utter guesswork as well, but if I don't take it to the Scam Accusation board and take personal responsibility for my accusation, it's just hollow words.

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.

Yep. When OgNasty and Timelord2067 talk about DT1, you know there's going to be thread derailing.

[PowerGlove]

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.

Hehe, you're only realizing this now? That's been my impression of this topic for a while. OgNasty seeing an opportunity to win back some points and be "vindicated", even though his whole position makes zero sense (technically, I mean. He seems to be for protocol-level fungibility but against money laundering and doesn't seem to appreciate how the former will inevitably lead to the latter).

I'm just repeating what I said earlier, but the important thing that I think OgNasty is missing (intentionally, by the looks of it) is that there's a fungibility/privacy/freedom ideology that resonates with a lot of the people that were wearing the ChipMixer signature. It suits him to believe that he knew all along that ChipMixer was somehow "bad" and that this has now been "proven". I'm not defending ChipMixer itself (especially if they were storing logs or weren't deleting private keys properly), but I'll always be in favor of mixing in general (as a means to achieve fungibility, which is actually what I care about; mixing is just a way to facilitate that).

[Timelord2067]

When OgNasty and Timelord2067 talk about DT1, you know there's going to be thread derailing.

Your statement is not objective given you DT distrust me.

You have proven you would attempt to silence anyone even discussing the subject of this thread.  Please be respectful.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Your statement is not objective given you DT distrust me.

It's subjective as it's my opinion. The fact that I distrust you is irrelevant to whether that is objective or not. To put it this way: would it make it objective if I neither trusted or distrusted you?

You have proven you would attempt to silence anyone even discussing the subject of this thread.  Please be respectful.

I think I'm pretty much respectful. I have made this discussion with OgNasty in the past as well, and it lead nowhere as well. When you two take part in a forum discussion, you'll sooner or later blame it to the DT. No surprise he completely ignores the point we're making with centralized and decentralized mixers. He just has personal agenda against some of the ChipMixer campaign participants, and tries to figure out ways to accuse them.

How we reached to talking about members of DT abusing their position, from ChipMixer being a honeypot is something you only know of.

[OgNasty]

How we reached to talking about members of DT abusing their position, from ChipMixer being a honeypot is something you only know of.

This is literally a thread about why we cannot discuss chipmixer being a honeypot. It’s very relevant. I foretold everything that happened to chipmixer and as a result of my sounding the warning bells, I received distrust in the DT network from several of their campaign participants. Literally proving the point that this thread was trying to make, which is that if you speak out against chipmixer’s money laundering, you will be retaliated against. It’s important that people have this information, and very relevant to this thread.

[DooMAD]

I foretold everything that happened to chipmixer and as a result of my sounding the warning bells, I received distrust in the DT network from several of their campaign participants. Literally proving the point that this thread was trying to make, which is that if you speak out against chipmixer’s money laundering, you will be retaliated against.

And your assertion is that you are distrusted purely because of your views about ChipMixer?  Regardless, it strikes me as more of an issue for the Reputation board.

[OgNasty]

With Tornado Cash founders now being charged officially with money laundering and violating sanctions, do people expect to see charges against Chipmixer founders next? Is this forum not concerned that there are still users here promoting mixing services, some of which are in the default trust network and giving exclusions to those who speak out about them promoting money laundering for their own profit?

https://x.com/watcherguru/status/1694390897184502100

Sorry if you feel this is the wrong thread for this discussion, most others remain locked. It is interesting that many users in this thread praised me for foretelling the Chipmixer shut down, but several DT members distrusted me for it. That’s called corruption in the real world. Here they call it decentralization. I call it lazy management.

[nutildah]

With Tornado Cash founders now being charged officially with money laundering and violating sanctions, do people expect to see charges against Chipmixer founders next?

He has already been charged and is a wanted man...

Is this forum not concerned that there are still users here promoting mixing services, some of which are in the default trust network and giving exclusions to those who speak out about them promoting money laundering for their own profit?

A proper mixer is just a mixer -- it is ethically neutral. A good mixer is one that does its job as advertised. For the most part (though not 100%), that is what ChipMixer was. Sure, we can get into the weeds of whether or not it is moral to advertise a service that, as part of BAU, launders funds for designated terrorist groups, but its in line with the libertarian ethos of the forum to leave it up to the individual users whether they want to do this or not. I don't see the point in chastising them for this decision, or what it accomplishes.

[dzungmobile]

With Tornado Cash founders now being charged officially with money laundering and violating sanctions, do people expect to see charges against Chipmixer founders next?

No one knows the actual founder of ChipMixer. The wanted person is only a single man and I am really doubtful that he is the founder and the only person who operated CM over years. He is possibly a canary from a whole CM team.

Is this forum not concerned that there are still users here promoting mixing services, some of which are in the default trust network and giving exclusions to those who speak out about them promoting money laundering for their own profit?

Staffs were asked to stop advertising mixers and maybe some well recognized, high contributed members of forum who potentially become staffs in future were asked the same too (my guess only), but globally on the whole forum, let's see.

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

[nutildah]

No one knows the actual founder of ChipMixer. The wanted person is only a single man and I am really doubtful that he is the founder and the only person who operated CM over years. He is possibly a canary from a whole CM team.

I read through the court documents pretty thoroughly and it appears it was a one-man operation. Funds tied to ChipMixer server payments were traced back to that particular named individual. Its hard to say how much he profited from the service; after all, it was technically free. And he had a separate account on the forum that he used to make trades... from the looks of it he certainly wasn't "wealthy".

Damn this thread. I would still have a lots of BTCs by now if I had not read this thread! My bad decision last year was affected by this thread. Now BTC is too expensive and I can't get enough BTCs as I used to own. I feel so sad each day seeing price of BTC increasing day by day. I would have been a millionaire now if I had not sold most of my portfolio last year when the BTC price was only at 10k - 12k.

[NotATether]

Staffs were asked to stop advertising mixers and maybe some well recognized, high contributed members of forum who potentially become staffs in future were asked the same too (my guess only), but globally on the whole forum, let's see.

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

Who in particular did you have in mind? (LoyceV maybe for only using his sig-renting thread?)

Pretty much all of us moved on to other campaigns, mostly other mixers, after Chipmixer shut down, but to me it doesn't look like anyone else besides those who were already staff was asked to stop advertising mixers on their signatures.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Is this forum not concerned that there are still users here promoting mixing services, some of which are in the default trust network and giving exclusions to those who speak out about them promoting money laundering for their own profit?

Can you talk a little bit more specifically? Even though I must admit that you truly fell of my grace when you began making sweeping generalizations and criticizing centralized mixing in that manner (despite expressing support for decentralized mixing, completely contradicting yourself with the former argument).


Do we truly intend to delve into the notion that mixing is ethically incorrect?