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December 13, 2022, 05:50:22 AM
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The solution is Simple leave fiat banks and go crypto.



it's not that easy friends, because as we know, the introduction of crypto in the world is not comprehensive, so in my opinion it is still difficult to do.
and this requires a process if you want to implement payments with crypto itself if one day this happens



Besides not all merchants are accepting cryptocurrency.  You can check if we are able to live with crypto without converting our cryptocurrency to fiat currency.  Once we did that all the transaction will undergo bank clearance.   So it isn't not that easy, it is impossible considering the situation of cryptocurrency adoption.  You can not use Bitcoin on supermarket and malls in my country.  So how can we live or survive if we totally move to crypto.
I tried to invest some amount and I did it so quickly and it was utter disaster
I wish I would have never done this ...It took me months to get out of it. I am not always disturbed what to do - the investment is real challenge for me

In life sometimes we have to have a strict attitude and force ourselves, investment is a good thing for the future so that we must force ourselves to invest, never think wasteful or easily waste money because we never know what kind of life in the future, If we do not invest from now then we will regret it.



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December 13, 2022, 06:46:16 AM
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Unfortunately, I don't think there is a simple solution.

If there are lessons to be learned. Can it be fairly said conditions of reliance and dependancy are being weaponized post 2020?

  • Reliance on russian natural gas
  • Reliance on oil
  • Reliance on centralized supply chains

Everything people trust and rely upon today is being turned against them.

How do we solve this? Perhaps by relying less upon governments and corporations, and relying more upon ourselves?

A very strongly erroneous opinion, built on the basis of information disseminated by Russian propaganda. There is no dependency. Was created, artificially, the scheme of monopolization of oil and gas supplies to the EU. And note - 3 key economies turned out to be "dependent" - Germany, France, Italy. And mass information propaganda began, so that without Russian gas they would freeze/die/the economy would collapse/factories would stop/.....
But today we see that more than 90% of Russian gas has already been replaced by long-term contracts. Do not listen to Russian propaganda, and pro-Russian media Smiley

The wrong thing if when there is a Russian conflict then they will stop supply gas to Europe, of course Russia must bear the high consequences if it breaks gas, besides the use of gas in Europe not only depends on Russia, Germany has a gas company in many countries so they don't disturbed by Russian gas.


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December 13, 2022, 09:07:14 PM
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In life sometimes we have to have a strict attitude and force ourselves, investment is a good thing for the future so that we must force ourselves to invest, never think wasteful or easily waste money because we never know what kind of life in the future, If we do not invest from now then we will regret it.
Actually, in this case, I don't feel like I'm forcing myself because I see, from any condition, it's a choice. are we going to prepare for old age well or not, if we really want to prepare for this investment is the right thing but if not then you really have to be willing to seek more profits in old age.
This is not coercion because there is no obligation for it, but it would be very good if it was done from the beginning, at least with that we have planned our future so that it is better than before.

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December 13, 2022, 09:54:41 PM
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The solution is Simple leave fiat banks and go crypto.
Until there is no Fiat eur or GBP Stable coins we can use as central reserve Stable currency USDT.

Goverment and Banks failed so leave them and let them sink in their own mess what they created.
This is easy t say, but difficult to act. Realizing that only using cryptocurrency for our life, not fiat, is something that is very difficult for most people in the world. However for those who are living in a country that illegalizes crypto as currency. This will be very difficult to search for merchants that accept crypto. It is too difficult to make payment methods for our daily life using crypto because here, crypto is illegal for currency. We may use crypto as one of the digital assets for investment, but not for currency.

The government may be failed, but the system of government will be always there. People in the government may be changing with the new system. So, never easy and impossible to leave if w are still living in the same country.

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December 14, 2022, 04:09:35 AM
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The thing we have to understand is that the financial and financial transaction system is a complicated thing, we cannot solve a problem by leaving Fiat, if this is certainly a lot of problems that can occur, the volume of transactions that increase significantly then the transaction costs are very expensive , if there are residents of around 20 million and every day the transaction will certainly occur billions of transactions per day and may take 10 hours to reach 3 confirmation.


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December 15, 2022, 04:38:19 PM
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we must not forget that we will still need fiat. because even BTC was made not to replace fiat but to be an option or another alternative. to be honest, I also experienced a lot of disappointment with the bank system. however, I am still aware that the role of the Bank will always be needed. Crypto and fiat should always coexist. both need each other.
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we must not forget that we will still need fiat. because even BTC was made not to replace fiat but to be an option or another alternative. to be honest, I also experienced a lot of disappointment with the bank system. however, I am still aware that the role of the Bank will always be needed. Crypto and fiat should always coexist. both need each other.

Bitcoin was made as a payment method that is anonymous and transparent. I don't know why people keep telling bitcoin to replace fiat since it was not intended for that, though bitcoin could be future money but for now, it cant replace our own fiat as we are using it on daily basis and we are not just that advance that all of us uses digital money.
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December 15, 2022, 05:21:32 PM
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The solution is Simple leave fiat banks and go crypto.
Until there is no Fiat eur or GBP Stable coins we can use as central reserve Stable currency USDT.

Goverment and Banks failed so leave them and let them sink in their own mess what they created.


To be honest, crypto is not the only way to go about the economic downfall, banks owned by organizations and governments have consistently failed the people, crypto has also benefited the people significantly, but it does have some drawbacks.
Just look at the entire crypto market, do you think the world will cope in that manner? I mean, waking up and seeing that the $100 you were planning to use to buy a launch has lost half its value due to minor news that occurred in just a few hours; believe me, the economy would be worse than it is now. Bitcoin was intended to be a peer-to-peer electronic or, perhaps more accurately, digital asset that would be good against inflation but would not necessarily be widely adopted as a monetary currency.

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Look at world economy and people struggle with bills.
Look all that things most people not gona be fit enough to pay their bills.
Europe UK very bad situation and now when people need most credit the Banks don't give.
People are starting to lose common sense in managing financial resources, the world is being hit by recession and inflation while the world economy is weakening, but some people are still forced to take loans to meet lifestyle needs, life in simplicity no longer makes people feel enough, because they have been spoiled by loans from banks and other places.

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The solution is Simple leave fiat banks and go crypto.
Until there is no Fiat eur or GBP Stable coins we can use as central reserve Stable currency USDT.
To what extent do you believe that the cryptocurrency you call can maintain value, are you sure that recession and inflation will not affect it, stablecoins and USDT are also not much different from fiat currencies, so they have the same chance in the journey, unless you dare to take the risk to hold bitcoin, but if you're still using Stable USDT, then it's the same as holding fiat currency as usual.

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Goverment and Banks failed so leave them and let them sink in their own mess what they created.
We cannot leave fiat currency and banks as quickly as imagined, because other supporting resources are still not available, transactions in crypto must still be converted into fiat currency as the legal currency for the purchase of goods and services, although in some places bitcoin has been accepted as a means of payment and some still use the services provided by the Bank in the process of converting crypto into fiat currency. The correlation between leaving fiat currency and banks is irrelevant and makes no sense today, as the infrastructure for crypto travel is still not strong enough on its own, so fiat currency and banks are still needed today.

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December 15, 2022, 07:37:44 PM
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we must not forget that we will still need fiat. because even BTC was made not to replace fiat but to be an option or another alternative. to be honest, I also experienced a lot of disappointment with the bank system. however, I am still aware that the role of the Bank will always be needed. Crypto and fiat should always coexist. both need each other.
For now, the system might be biased but there's nothing that people can do but to embrace that both system should work together, Bitcoin is a good alternative but fiat will continue to exist, there are many people who can't adopt right away who needs fiat to exist, while those who can adjust can take advantage of the current new system that exist.

We should live that way and continue to work on how we can reach those people who are not aware of changes inside the technology and the financial system that they can have as alternatives.

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December 15, 2022, 11:16:18 PM
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The thing we have to understand is that the financial and financial transaction system is a complicated thing, we cannot solve a problem by leaving Fiat, if this is certainly a lot of problems that can occur, the volume of transactions that increase significantly then the transaction costs are very expensive , if there are residents of around 20 million and every day the transaction will certainly occur billions of transactions per day and may take 10 hours to reach 3 confirmation.
Exactly. Leaving fiat is not an easy way, moreover if we are still abandoned by rules and regulation under the government. We are still using fiat for daily life necessary because they are only accepting fiat. We might find difficulties to find merchants accepting crypto if we are forcing to leave fiat. Sometimes, our dream should be limited in any cases. But, we can still use it as one of the payment method, not by mean leaving fiat or replacing it.


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December 16, 2022, 01:56:18 AM
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we must not forget that we will still need fiat. because even BTC was made not to replace fiat but to be an option or another alternative. to be honest, I also experienced a lot of disappointment with the bank system. however, I am still aware that the role of the Bank will always be needed. Crypto and fiat should always coexist. both need each other.

Fiat's direct transaction does not require a fee, but if a Bitcoin transaction certainly requires a fee, many people hope to eliminate Fiat and replace it with bitcoin, but when the transaction sessions and transactions are more than $ 10 they complain, what if the transaction is 100x or 1000x from now?

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Look at world economy and people struggle with bills.
Look all that things most people not gona be fit enough to pay their bills.
Europe UK very bad situation and now when people need most credit the Banks don't give.

The solution is Simple leave fiat banks and go crypto.
Until there is no Fiat eur or GBP Stable coins we can use as central reserve Stable currency USDT.

Goverment and Banks failed so leave them and let them sink in their own mess what they created.

Crypto is only way not CBDC but btc and USDT nobody actualyy don't want anything from bankers anymore.
People Will use btc and USDT

If you disapoint once dont think people gona trust you twice. Off course dont cry or complain later If you trust them again the bankers and goverment it's ur own fault then

Business owners If they are smart knows only way they can survive is crypto.

Cash fiat currency as USD can stay becouse it's good to have USD in hands becouse we all gona use USDT Stable coins anyways.

I dont understand why you have crucified the banks too much when both Bitcoin, fiat, and banks can all co-exist as they all have their own importance in our economy.
Business owners survived long ago even before Bitcoin, so I don't see any good reasons why you're telling us Bitcoin is the only way they survive. Look at how they survived the pandemic, though some of them have never came back. But,  some of them survived because the banks lend them money to revive their businesses.

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December 16, 2022, 05:45:29 AM
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Look at world economy and people struggle with bills.
Look all that things most people not gona be fit enough to pay their bills.
Europe UK very bad situation and now when people need most credit the Banks don't give.

The solution is Simple leave fiat banks and go crypto.
Until there is no Fiat eur or GBP Stable coins we can use as central reserve Stable currency USDT.

Goverment and Banks failed so leave them and let them sink in their own mess what they created.

Crypto is only way not CBDC but btc and USDT nobody actualyy don't want anything from bankers anymore.
People Will use btc and USDT

If you disapoint once dont think people gona trust you twice. Off course dont cry or complain later If you trust them again the bankers and goverment it's ur own fault then

Business owners If they are smart knows only way they can survive is crypto.

Cash fiat currency as USD can stay becouse it's good to have USD in hands becouse we all gona use USDT Stable coins anyways.

I dont understand why you have crucified the banks too much when both Bitcoin, fiat, and banks can all co-exist as they all have their own importance in our economy.
Business owners survived long ago even before Bitcoin, so I don't see any good reasons why you're telling us Bitcoin is the only way they survive. Look at how they survived the pandemic, though some of them have never came back. But,  some of them survived because the banks lend them money to revive their businesses.

Precisely!! In my honest opinion, there are several countries who are struggling due to this inflation thing and for sure if what the OP says would be implemented, those countries I've mentioned would suffer greater. As for an example that there are places here in my country that doesn't have enough access to internet, how much more computers and other high technology devices? Crypto is already considered modern day currency which also belongs to high technology, therefore it'll take more years to explain to them the process and even provide enough access to techs.

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December 16, 2022, 06:29:15 AM
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The thing we have to understand is that the financial and financial transaction system is a complicated thing, we cannot solve a problem by leaving Fiat, if this is certainly a lot of problems that can occur, the volume of transactions that increase significantly then the transaction costs are very expensive , if there are residents of around 20 million and every day the transaction will certainly occur billions of transactions per day and may take 10 hours to reach 3 confirmation.
Exactly. Leaving fiat is not an easy way, moreover if we are still abandoned by rules and regulation under the government. We are still using fiat for daily life necessary because they are only accepting fiat. We might find difficulties to find merchants accepting crypto if we are forcing to leave fiat. Sometimes, our dream should be limited in any cases. But, we can still use it as one of the payment method, not by mean leaving fiat or replacing it.


However I think we need to be realistic and maybe whenever fiat is still needed,
because if leaving fiat is not impossible it will actually create new problems,
we need to look at the whole and that's important

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I dont understand why you have crucified the banks too much when both Bitcoin, fiat, and banks can all co-exist as they all have their own importance in our economy.
Business owners survived long ago even before Bitcoin, so I don't see any good reasons why you're telling us Bitcoin is the only way they survive. Look at how they survived the pandemic, though some of them have never came back. But,  some of them survived because the banks lend them money to revive their businesses.
In fact, Bitcoin at this stage occupies a very small part of the market and also plays a very minor role in the economy, while banks are still the main financial arteries and without their existence, we will simply lose our usual way of life. Banks will probably always exist, they will simply adapt to the current market conditions, or try to adapt them for themselves.
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December 16, 2022, 08:22:42 AM
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It is not easy to make a country's economy grow positive, the number of dependences with other countries makes the global economy now complicated, when the problem of supplying raw materials or supply of finished goods will become a chain of problems that make many people also affected.
For now, the government really needs to have many ways because the global economic conditions are not doing well.
there are still many countries that still depend on the supply of raw materials from other countries, of course that makes this problem not easy to solve,
but what is clear is that we must still hope for the best for the future

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December 16, 2022, 09:23:03 AM
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When a problem occurs with a loan, someone tries to find the mistakes of others, of course this is not good because when we are in debt and our income is not in accordance with the amount of debt, it will be a problem or not paid off, many people feel optimistic to take home loans by thinking Only 25% of the salary, the fact is this will be difficult.

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December 16, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
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It is not easy to make a country's economy grow positive, the number of dependences with other countries makes the global economy now complicated, when the problem of supplying raw materials or supply of finished goods will become a chain of problems that make many people also affected.
For now, the government really needs to have many ways because the global economic conditions are not doing well.
there are still many countries that still depend on the supply of raw materials from other countries, of course that makes this problem not easy to solve,
but what is clear is that we must still hope for the best for the future

All of the countries are really getting raw materials to other countries but it is easy now than in previous years due to the pandemic. Now the restrictions are very easy and they can buy raw materials from others. Though this is not the only way to grow the economy of the country, we need more visitors and investors who are making business in the country which leads to more employment. The more the employment the more the economy is booming
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December 16, 2022, 03:48:09 PM
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Bitcoin is a good alternative especially since the outside market is in turmoil nowadays, but you can't expect people to immediately switch financial systems just because the ones they have accustomed all their lives with is having a bad season. Think of it this way, someone you know is actively telling you to switch to fiat or convert all your crypto assets into stocks and bonds because the cryptocurrency market is not looking good as of the moment, it will be a very hard decision to make. Incidentally, I don't think there's a need for a complete financial system switch. The two could work hand-in-hand to make things better and that has been the case for the greater part of cryptocurrency's history.
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