Brasileirão 2023 - Brazilian Championship Serie A

[gagux123]

This forecast that ufmg makes is very cool, most newspapers use it as a source

It's amazing how the Brazilian championship still surprises us every year, it's considered the most equilibrated championship and we can see why
Before it started, I was betting on Palmeiras winning the title, I even posted my prediction here, but as the championship went on I doubted it and started to be sure that Botafogo would be champions, after all they were undefeated for many rounds, hadn't lost a game and were unbeatable playing in RJ

In my opinion, Palmeiras improved a lot after being eliminated from the Libertadores, after all they could focus totally on the Brazilian championship and now we're seeing the results

Despite everything, I would like Bragantino to be the champions, so that we can have a new champion 

What do you think?

Yes, I agree with you too!
Brazilian football is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get lol 
Sometimes several teams had a chance of being champions, and throughout the year all that changed.
I was convinced that Botafogo could be the champion of Brasileirao, but they didn't take advantage of their chances and lost several games and after that, Palmeiras took advantage of this and is in first place in the championship today.

Yep, t would be interesting if Bragantino or another small team were the Brasileirao champion, perhaps Cuiaba or Fortaleza would be other interesting candidates! 

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[rdluffy]

The Brazilian league is one I don’t watch but the few I see from my betting accounts are always less on goals and the ball play is box to box no creativity in the midfield, more reason why I think this coach left to Saudi is because of the investment the Arabians have done to their league football by investing and getting quality European players and that’s a huge boost to the league.

 This is one cue I think other leagues should take amd watch football become more competitive and much more interesting, no business will thrive without investment; quality investment and football is one business and requires greater attention and greater investment.

I don't blame the coach or player who leaves Brazil, even in the middle of a contract. The Arabs are offering a lot of money to strengthen their league, it's very difficult for anyone not to accept it
The money they're paying is probably enough for the coach or player to retire within a few years of his contract

Yep, t would be interesting if Bragantino or another small team were the Brasileirao champion, perhaps Cuiaba or Fortaleza would be other interesting candidates! 

They're two teams that surprised me positively, and both will probably play in the Sudamerican Cup next year, which will help them gain a lot more experience
I also hope that one day these teams can be champions
Fortaleza came very close, they came second in the Sudamericana this year, they almost won the biggest title in their history, but that's the way it is, one day the title happens
They are doing a great championship this year, better than Corinthians, Vasco, Cruzeiro, Santos and other bigger teams

[gagux123]

Did anyone also follow this round of Brasileirao?

I had in mind that Palmeiras would beat Fortaleza easily, but in the end, Palmeiras almost lost, but managed to draw in the last minutes.
Flamengo managed to take advantage of Palmeiras' failure, winning the match against America-MG and being tied with Palmeiras in Brasileirao, both with 63 points.

My question is, will Flamengo be able to win the next games, overcome Palmeiras and become Brasileirao champions?

They're two teams that surprised me positively, and both will probably play in the Sudamerican Cup next year, which will help them gain a lot more experience
I also hope that one day these teams can be champions
Fortaleza came very close, they came second in the Sudamericana this year, they almost won the biggest title in their history, but that's the way it is, one day the title happens
They are doing a great championship this year, better than Corinthians, Vasco, Cruzeiro, Santos and other bigger teams

Yes, that's true, I also agree with you
They were weak teams that came from lower leagues, but have been standing out a lot lately. I have no doubt that this performance is bringing a lot of visibility to the teams.

[Slow death]

Did anyone also follow this round of Brasileirao?

I had in mind that Palmeiras would beat Fortaleza easily, but in the end, Palmeiras almost lost, but managed to draw in the last minutes.
Flamengo managed to take advantage of Palmeiras' failure, winning the match against America-MG and being tied with Palmeiras in Brasileirao, both with 63 points.

My question is, will Flamengo be able to win the next games, overcome Palmeiras and become Brasileirao champions?

Looking at Flamengo's next games:

Flamengo - Atletico

This will be a very difficult game for Flamengo to win, Atletico has been a team with an excellent performance this season, they have not had any defeat in the last 5 games, and this same season when they played against Palmeiras they won 2 - 0, They didn't concede a goal and scored 2 goals, this same season when they played against Botafogo, they also managed to win and won without conceding a goal, but when they played against Flamengo they lost and conceded 2 goals, but managed to score 1 goal. In other words, this season Atletico only lost to Flamengo when it comes to clashes with the current top teams, if Flamengo manages to beat Atletico again, they will still have more difficult games left to play.

Flamengo - Cuiaba

This will also be another difficult game for Flamengo, their opponent Cuiaba hasn't lost in 4 games, they have a bad defense in which they have already conceded many goals but they can get a draw in the game against Flamengo, that's why in my opinion we have Seeing how Cuiaba will do in the next game against the international, if they lose they could have low morale and if Flamengo wins they will go into this game with more optimism.

Sao Paulo - Flamengo

This in my opinion will be the only less difficult game of the last games of this round, so if Flamengo wins the next 2 games, then in this game Flamengo would be more comfortable because they would face an opponent who probably won't have anything to motivate them to make an effort a lot, for that São Paulo only needs to win in one of the next 2 games to guarantee their stay in the Brasileirao and if that happens, in the last game against Flamengo they won't have any reason to make an effort

Now the case of palmeiras is something very good for them, they will only have 1 game against a strong team and 2 games against weak teams, I clearly see a greater chance of palmeiras becoming champions. Palmeiras is close to losing in the game against Fortaleza because one of the Palmeiras players got a red card in the 59th minute, I think that if that hadn't happened, Palmeiras would have been able to win the game.

[gagux123]

Looking at Flamengo's next games:

Flamengo - Atletico

This will be a very difficult game for Flamengo to win, Atletico has been a team with an excellent performance this season, they have not had any defeat in the last 5 games, and this same season when they played against Palmeiras they won 2 - 0, They didn't concede a goal and scored 2 goals, this same season when they played against Botafogo, they also managed to win and won without conceding a goal, but when they played against Flamengo they lost and conceded 2 goals, but managed to score 1 goal. In other words, this season Atletico only lost to Flamengo when it comes to clashes with the current top teams, if Flamengo manages to beat Atletico again, they will still have more difficult games left to play.

Flamengo - Cuiaba

This will also be another difficult game for Flamengo, their opponent Cuiaba hasn't lost in 4 games, they have a bad defense in which they have already conceded many goals but they can get a draw in the game against Flamengo, that's why in my opinion we have Seeing how Cuiaba will do in the next game against the international, if they lose they could have low morale and if Flamengo wins they will go into this game with more optimism.

Sao Paulo - Flamengo

This in my opinion will be the only less difficult game of the last games of this round, so if Flamengo wins the next 2 games, then in this game Flamengo would be more comfortable because they would face an opponent who probably won't have anything to motivate them to make an effort a lot, for that São Paulo only needs to win in one of the next 2 games to guarantee their stay in the Brasileirao and if that happens, in the last game against Flamengo they won't have any reason to make an effort

Now the case of palmeiras is something very good for them, they will only have 1 game against a strong team and 2 games against weak teams, I clearly see a greater chance of palmeiras becoming champions. Palmeiras is close to losing in the game against Fortaleza because one of the Palmeiras players got a red card in the 59th minute, I think that if that hadn't happened, Palmeiras would have been able to win the game.

I have no doubt that Flamengo will have difficult games in these last rounds of the Brasileirao. Atletico Mineiro, Cuiaba and São Paulo, both are in strategic positions in the championship and therefore, they are looking for some places for the Libertadores and CONMEBOL Sudamericana.

If we analyze Palmeiras, they will have relatively easy games compared to Flamengo, especially against América-MG (last position of the Brasileirao).
I believe in the last game, which will be against Cruzeiro, could be more dangerous, because Cruzeiro is in a delicate position (close to the relegation zone), I have no doubt that they will do everything to win the games.

Well, I believe Palmeiras has a great chance of becoming champion of the Brasileirao again, but they cannot make mistakes, because other teams are extremely close to Palmeiras and will take advantage of this situation and overtake and become the leader of the championship, if Palmeiras lose or draw the next games.

[rdluffy]

Now the case of palmeiras is something very good for them, they will only have 1 game against a strong team and 2 games against weak teams, I clearly see a greater chance of palmeiras becoming champions. Palmeiras is close to losing in the game against Fortaleza because one of the Palmeiras players got a red card in the 59th minute, I think that if that hadn't happened, Palmeiras would have been able to win the game.

Well, I believe Palmeiras has a great chance of becoming champion of the Brasileirao again, but they cannot make mistakes, because other teams are extremely close to Palmeiras and will take advantage of this situation and overtake and become the leader of the championship, if Palmeiras lose or draw the next games.

I also agree with both of you. Palmeiras is now the favorite team (again) to win the title, not only because of the number of points, but because the next games are theoretically easier
It doesn't mean it's already won, but I think Palmeiras have a better chance than Flamengo and Botafogo

It may not seem like it, but Botafogo still have a chance, it's incredible, simply incredible how in 5 games the team hasn't won a single game, they've only scored 3 points out of 15
It's hard to believe that a team that started so well has blown its best chance of winning a title in years

The Flamengo vs Atletico MG game tomorrow is going to be exciting, it's that game that's worth six points 

Pretty hard to make good bets in the next rounds

[gagux123]

I also agree with both of you. Palmeiras is now the favorite team (again) to win the title, not only because of the number of points, but because the next games are theoretically easier
It doesn't mean it's already won, but I think Palmeiras have a better chance than Flamengo and Botafogo

It may not seem like it, but Botafogo still have a chance, it's incredible, simply incredible how in 5 games the team hasn't won a single game, they've only scored 3 points out of 15
It's hard to believe that a team that started so well has blown its best chance of winning a title in years

The Flamengo vs Atletico MG game tomorrow is going to be exciting, it's that game that's worth six points 

Pretty hard to make good bets in the next rounds

In a few minutes the Flamengo x Atlético-MG game will start
Another game that I'm also looking forward to see is Botafogo x Coritiba.

Botafogo is in third place in the championship, but with a difference of just 1 single point from first place.

If Palmeiras and Flamengo lose or draw and Botafogo wins today, they will become first place in the Brasileirao.

From the little experience I have with betting, it seems that at the end of every championship (or almost every one) it becomes very difficult for you win your bets, because everything is very unpredictable.

Well, let's see what this round of the Brasileirão will show us today 

[rdluffy]

In a few minutes the Flamengo x Atlético-MG game will start

I'm here ready to watch 

From the little experience I have with betting, it seems that at the end of every championship (or almost every one) it becomes very difficult for you win your bets, because everything is very unpredictable.

Well, let's see what this round of the Brasileirão will show us today 

Yes, it's harder, some teams are nervous, anxious and the results become more difficulty to predict, this is the reason I wont bet in this match, I'll only watch and observe
The odds are totally for Flamengo win, paying 1.74 while Atletico MG win pays 5.20

Palmeiras will almost sure win the match against America (poor America, the last team in the table), but only pays 1.24
Botafogo win is paying 1.75

[gagux123]

Yes, it's harder, some teams are nervous, anxious and the results become more difficulty to predict, this is the reason I wont bet in this match, I'll only watch and observe
The odds are totally for Flamengo win, paying 1.74 while Atletico MG win pays 5.20

Palmeiras will almost sure win the match against America (poor America, the last team in the table), but only pays 1.24
Botafogo win is paying 1.75

You were right, Flamengo's chances of winning were greater, but incredible as it may seem, Flamengo lost 3-0 to Atlético-MG 
As I mentioned previously, the end of the championship makes the results of the games very unpredictable

It's been approximately 10 minutes since the Palmeiras game started and he has already scored 1 goal against América-MG. I have no doubt that it will be an easy game for Palmeiras.

I'm also watching the Botafogo x Coritiba game, because if Botafogo wins it will be extremely close to Palmeiras in the Brasileirao.

[uneng]

Yes, I agree with you too!
Brazilian football is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get lol 
Sometimes several teams had a chance of being champions, and throughout the year all that changed.
I was convinced that Botafogo could be the champion of Brasileirao, but they didn't take advantage of their chances and lost several games and after that, Palmeiras took advantage of this and is in first place in the championship today.

Well, it ended not being a surprise after all, because since before this championship started Palmeiras has been the favorite one to win the next title, due to their awesome previous campaign last year. We are just seeing things going back to the normal which was expected.

It would have been a big surprise if Botafogo had kept its position, winning Brasileirão 2023, against all the initial predictions we had at the beginning of the year.

Palmeiras winning is also a victory of gamblers who go for the favorites, instead of underdogs.

[rdluffy]

You were right, Flamengo's chances of winning were greater, but incredible as it may seem, Flamengo lost 3-0 to Atlético-MG 

See?
Almost impossible to predict, Flamengo playing at home, needing to win at any cost, lost to Atlético MG and 3x0 
I would have lost money on that bet
Lucky for those who believed and got the odds of 5.20

Well, it ended not being a surprise after all, because since before this championship started Palmeiras has been the favorite one to win the next title, due to their awesome previous campaign last year. We are just seeing things going back to the normal which was expected.

It would have been a big surprise if Botafogo had kept its position, winning Brasileirão 2023, against all the initial predictions we had at the beginning of the year.

Palmeiras winning is also a victory of gamblers who go for the favorites, instead of underdogs.

Hehehe, at the start of the championship I made my list and Palmeiras were first. But I really doubted he'd make it when Botafogo started winning every game and Palmeiras focused on the Libertadores
One thought: if Palmeiras had reached the Libertadores final, they probably wouldn't be in first place in the Brazilian league today

[Slow death]

Now it is almost 80% guaranteed that Palmeiras is the champion of the Brazilian Championship, something unbelievable, at the beginning of the Brazilian Championship I certainly saw Palmeiras as the favorite to win the Brazilian Championship, but after a few games seeing how Botafogo was doing very well at the point that created a big difference in points in relation to Paleiras and Flamengo, so I started to look at Botafogo as a team that would win the Brasileirao with certain ease, but I doubted that when Botafogo's coach left the team to go and become in the Al - Nassr coach, at the time I saw the news I thought: this will really hurt the team. so days after the coach left Botafogo I decided to test and bet on Botafogo who were playing against a very weak team, I thought they would win with some ease, but I was shocked when I saw that they lost

After that I started to doubt that they would be able to become champions, and for that reason I stopped betting on them, I see that it was a good decision I made because Botafogo started with a sequence of bad results, this showed that they won because they had a good coach and as the good coach left and the club didn't put in another good coach, the team declined a lot. I think that in the next few times the club's management needs to have good planning, something like a plan B in case they lose a good coach. As for Flamengo, honestly, since Jorge Jesus left Flamengo, I don't see Flamengo being a good team and performing well, which is why I don't expect Flamengo to be Brazilian champions anytime soon.

In my opinion, Brazil needs to have more quality in its teams, I don't see it being very competitive, when I watched some games I fell asleep because the game was so tiring, I even made an effort to watch, but it was inevitable that I would sleep and when I woke up , the game had already ended, as these games are held when it's time for people to sleep in my country, so I thought that was the reason for me sleeping during the games, but even when I tried to watch replays of the games at another time, I slept. So the problem wasn't the game schedule, it was the way they played, which didn't capture my attention.

[rdluffy]

Now it is almost 80% guaranteed that Palmeiras is the champion of the Brazilian Championship, something unbelievable, at the beginning of the Brazilian Championship...

To be exact, the calculated chances of Palmeiras being champions are already 85.9% 


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In my opinion, Brazil needs to have more quality in its teams, I don't see it being very competitive, when I watched some games I fell asleep because the game was so tiring, I even made an effort to watch, but it was inevitable that I would sleep and when I woke up , the game had already ended, as these games are held when it's time for people to sleep in my country, so I thought that was the reason for me sleeping during the games, but even when I tried to watch replays of the games at another time, I slept. So the problem wasn't the game schedule, it was the way they played, which didn't capture my attention.

I know what you mean
For those who support a Brazilian team, it's easier to watch and enjoy the match, but for an outsider, it can give the same impression, it's very different from watching a Real x Barcelona match for example, with many stars playing, with more goals etc.

Brazil is still the country that exports the most players in the world, with many above-average players, after all, most children start playing soccer at a very young age, but every good player goes to Europe and the best ones stay there until almost the end of their career.
Not only that, but soccer in Brazil is very balanced, which leads to a lot of drawn games, a lot of games without as many goal-scoring opportunities or wonderful moves as we see in Europe more often

But don't give up on brazilian soccer, there are great matches to watch and of course memorable ones 

[gagux123]

Well, it ended not being a surprise after all, because since before this championship started Palmeiras has been the favorite one to win the next title, due to their awesome previous campaign last year. We are just seeing things going back to the normal which was expected.

It would have been a big surprise if Botafogo had kept its position, winning Brasileirão 2023, against all the initial predictions we had at the beginning of the year.

Palmeiras winning is also a victory of gamblers who go for the favorites, instead of underdogs.

I believe this was clear, in fact Palmeiras had an excellent championship last year and proved this in several games, his performance "slowed down throughout the year", but after all, they managed to restore the first place in this year's Brasileirao ... anyway, now it only depends on Palmeiras to be champion.

See?
Almost impossible to predict, Flamengo playing at home, needing to win at any cost, lost to Atlético MG and 3x0 
I would have lost money on that bet
Lucky for those who believed and got the odds of 5.20

Yes, I also avoided betting on this game, I had in mind that the game would end in a draw, maybe 0-0 or even 1-1, but that didn't actually happen.

Another game that I was also surprised by the result was between Botafogo x Coritiba.
It was clear that Botafogo would beat Coritiba.

The game was tight the whole time, with approximately 4 or 3 minutes left to finish the game, Botafogo managed to score 1 goal but soon after (I believe about 2 or 3 minutes later) Coritiba managed to score 1 goal and tied the game.
Coritiba is relegated to Series B and still managed to achieve this incredible draw against Botafogo

This is something surreal and hard to predict lol 

[rdluffy]

I believe this was clear, in fact Palmeiras had an excellent championship last year and proved this in several games, his performance "slowed down throughout the year", but after all, they managed to restore the first place in this year's Brasileirao ... anyway, now it only depends on Palmeiras to be champion.

What made Palmeiras lose some points was the Libertadores matches, because the team spared several starting players in some games, at least 5 or 6 games in total as far as I remember, so they were important points that they missed out on at that time

Coritiba is relegated to Series B and still managed to achieve this incredible draw against Botafogo

This is something surreal and hard to predict lol  

I don't think even the Coritiba team thought they could draw with Botafogo, but when times are bad, everything happens in the worst possible way  


Two matches today, and again, pretty hard to predict



In my opinion Internacional have a better team than Corinthians right now, but playing at home, Corinthians can hold a draw today
About Atletico MG, they still have chances to be the champions, and after a great result against Flamengo, they will do 101% to win this match and I think they will

To add more emotion to this end, Palmeiras could lose the next match and Botafogo, Atlético and Gremio win their matches, so they all be at first place with 66 points, it would be awesome  

[gagux123]

Two matches today, and again, pretty hard to predict

This is crazy! lol

Yes, indeed these were difficult games to predict... I was convinced that both games would be draws. mainly São Paulo x Atlético-MG.
Around 4 minutes left to end the game, São Paulo managed to tie the match and after a few minutes Atlético-MG managed to score another goal, thus winning the game! It's something incredible...

I did a quick research when i was writing this post and the odds for the most important games today:

• Flamengo x Cuiaba
74% Flamengo (win)
17% draw
9% Cuiaba (win)

• Palmeiras x Fluminense
71% Palmeiras (win)
18% draw
11% Fluminense (win)

• Botafogo x Cruzeiro
45% Botafogo (win)
29% draw
26% Cruzeiro (win)

To add more emotion to this end, Palmeiras could lose the next match and Botafogo, Atlético and Gremio win their matches, so they all be at first place with 66 points, it would be awesome 

Yes, this is true... Atlético-MG did its duty by winning against São Paulo, but if we analyze it, Palmeiras will still be in 1st place if they lose today's game, they have the highest number of victories and also Palmeiras' goal difference is much higher than other teams.

[rdluffy]

Yes, this is true... Atlético-MG did its duty by winning against São Paulo, but if we analyze it, Palmeiras will still be in 1st place if they lose today's game, they have the highest number of victories and also Palmeiras' goal difference is much higher than other teams.

Regarding the odds you posted, Flamengo won, Palmeiras won, but Botafogo once again disappointed, it seems like a curse against the team, it's incredible how it hasn't managed to win any more matches for some time now
Looks like Palmeiras will be the champion again

To lose the championship, Palmeiras need to lose the game, Atlético MG or Flamengo win and make a lot of goals because of the goal difference like you said, it's much higher for Palmeiras

Just a quick tought, if Palmeiras lose 1 x 0, Atlético need to win 8 x 0  
Mathematically it is possible for Flamengo and Atlético, but honestly we all know that it's practically impossible for that to happen

[Lucasgabd]

Yes, this is true... Atlético-MG did its duty by winning against São Paulo, but if we analyze it, Palmeiras will still be in 1st place if they lose today's game, they have the highest number of victories and also Palmeiras' goal difference is much higher than other teams.

Regarding the odds you posted, Flamengo won, Palmeiras won, but Botafogo once again disappointed, it seems like a curse against the team, it's incredible how it hasn't managed to win any more matches for some time now
Looks like Palmeiras will be the champion again

To lose the championship, Palmeiras need to lose the game, Atlético MG or Flamengo win and make a lot of goals because of the goal difference like you said, it's much higher for Palmeiras

Just a quick tought, if Palmeiras lose 1 x 0, Atlético need to win 8 x 0  
Mathematically it is possible for Flamengo and Atlético, but honestly we all know that it's practically impossible for that to happen

8x0 and there's only one game left?
ok so probably Palmeiras will get this one
that's why the books are paying only 0.2% on betting Palmeiras will be the 1st place
time is up

the window of opportunity has closed.

[Slow death]

 

This is something that if a person with super powers had taken a crystal ball and told me that this would happen while I was seeing Botafogo with a big advantage in the table, I honestly wouldn't believe this person with super powers. because it's hard to believe that a team that was at the top of the table for a long time, all it took was for the coach to leave, for another coach to come in and do so much nonsense to the team to the point where the team couldn't win the games, to the point where the team left the top of the table. In a humiliating and shameful way, I have seen many cases of leagues in which a team that remains at the top until one round does not become champion.

but this is the first time I've seen a team manage to become the worst joke of the century, Botafogo players should feel ashamed of being from that team, Botafogo fans should feel ashamed of being fans of that team. the majority shareholder of Botafogo, said that this was a disappointing season, but he said that the team made progress because they moved from series B to series A and more things that he said. I honestly don't understand Brazil, sometimes I think that Brazil is not part of this planet. It's unbelievable how the press doesn't harshly criticize Botafogo, honestly what they did was embarrass the team. It looks like they were bought by the opponent, and it's unbelievable how this team was able to finish like that

[rdluffy]

8x0 and there's only one game left?
ok so probably Palmeiras will get this one
that's why the books are paying only 0.2% on betting Palmeiras will be the 1st place
time is up

the window of opportunity has closed.

Yes hahaha, the difference of goals between them is 8, so if Palmeiras lose 8 x 0 and Atlético MG win by 1 x 0, it's enough 
I don't say it's impossible, 100% impossible (but I want) and we know that is not going to happen, so it's just formality to play the last match and celebrating the title
0.2%, you have to bet 1000 dolars to win 2 dollars 

This is something that if a person with super powers had taken a crystal ball and told me that this would happen while I was seeing Botafogo with a big advantage in the table, I honestly wouldn't believe this person with super powers.

They (media) compared Botafogo's situation to Arsenal's, where they started very well but in the end gave the title to Manchester City
It's one of the most curious situations I've ever seen
I've just checked Botafogo's last matches and they've simply gone 10 games without a win, the last time they won a game was on October 18 against América MG, who are bottom of the league
In 10 matches they only got 6 points