Most users just state their opinion on a topic rather than discuss it

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is not exclusive to this forum, what happens is that signature campaigns exacerbate it. But I see it every day in other forums, even things that here are against the rules like one liners or off topic replies.

When you go beyond page 5 in other forums, either people say what they think without arguing, or those who argue get involved in an argument that no one pays attention to, often going off topic.

Call me conspiranoid if you want but I would say that this thread has more to do with trying to get the minimum weekly merit requirement to not receive half the payout (relaxed requirement on the original) than with a real concern about the issue.

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

Signature campaigns have a lot to do with this phenomenon, and I'd noticed it even before I officially became a member back in 2015.  I was lurking, just trying to get a sense of what the bitcoin community was like, and I was flabbergasted to see the structure of some of the threads, i.e., the lack of back-and-forth discussion that you'd expect to see when people are talking about a topic and presumably reading what others have to say.

I'd say I'm very much guilty of this, but it doesn't have to do with campaigning as much as following up on posts I've written.  It's just laziness on my part, and I don't get alerts or anything like that.  But if it's a thread I'm extremely invested in, then I'll pay attention to it.  Most threads don't meet that qualification lately, though.

And Poker Player, if you're a member of this forum and aren't at least a little bit conspiranoid, you're either a newcomer, aren't paying attention, or don't give a shit about bitcointalk.  Same goes for cynicism as regards motivations and posting habits of members in campaigns or bounties.

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[UserU]

Yep, yep, yep, and yep.

Signature campaigns have a lot to do with this phenomenon, and I'd noticed it even before I officially became a member back in 2015.  I was lurking, just trying to get a sense of what the bitcoin community was like, and I was flabbergasted to see the structure of some of the threads, i.e., the lack of back-and-forth discussion that you'd expect to see when people are talking about a topic and presumably reading what others have to say.

I'd say I'm very much guilty of this, but it doesn't have to do with campaigning as much as following up on posts I've written.  It's just laziness on my part, and I don't get alerts or anything like that.  But if it's a thread I'm extremely invested in, then I'll pay attention to it.  Most threads don't meet that qualification lately, though.

As long as there are incentives for posting, we won't see that behavior going away anytime soon.

Heck, even my years-old post gets quoted by some members in another community (which pays to post) from time to time.

[GiftedMAN]

Just do whatever you want as long as you don't break the rules. You can discuss anything, respond anything, ask questions, answer questions or even guide other users and it's all free for you to do in this forum.

This is one nice one that has touched my heart and there is one thing that keeps ringing In my head which is plagiarism and I wasn't too conversant with the word not until I got onboard here.
I personally have learnt alot of things and one thing I always try to do in most of my topics is to follow up discussions and thread and there is always a special joy in my heart the moment my thread starts getting more views and engagements and there is always a greater joy seeing my post getting merited.

Good to see that the forum has increased your knowledge about certain things like cheating which is the only name I consider suitable for plagiarism and not just the knowledge of cryptocurrency which is the major reason why most users are here@ Obari, I believe you will get more knowledgeable if you continue to do the right things in the forum here. Now about the topic of discussion, the forum is open for for everyone and the moment you start making quality post and useful contributions you will always be noticed regardless of the board you created your thread and one thing is certain and I will like to drop it as a key note so that you don't get angry when you think your post are not getting the rewards that you want, keep doing the good job, keep making quality post the merits will come and it will come even when you list expected it. Your focus should be building and expanding your knowledge and understanding a particular thread before you contribute so you won't go off topic.

[Xxmodded]

Just do whatever you want as long as you don't break the rules. You can discuss anything, respond anything, ask questions, answer questions or even guide other users and it's all free for you to do in this forum.

Some user break rule without checking early before making topic and not coherence with board and ideas want to explain, many topic move to other board based on break rule and not related based on topic discussing. I agree with you about ability discussing anything here trough allow what rule here, we have freedom for asking questing here but never out off topic and always allowed what rule have been adopted.

For OP never closed your self asking with something still not understanding yet, you have freedom explore your ideas and when getting meaningful post actually easy earn merit points.

[macson]

most people dont even read posts above or even first post. they only read topic subject and already generate a 150 character post for signature campaign 

maybe this is what happened but not all of them, there are also many who only make 4-6 posts per day but when they want to reply to that ^{(the post they made)} it has been buried far back.  Besides that, some posters certainly don't have words that are suitable for discussion on that topic, so they prioritize making posts on new topics.

[fortunecrypto]

In the few period of time I've spent on the forum, I've noticed that most times, people just come to a topic and state their opinions without coming back to add more contributions on such topics, hence discussion seems difficult especially for people in some signature campaigns.
Now my question is,
~Why does it seem difficult to continue a discussion on a topic.
~Why do people just state their opinions rather than continue a discussion?
Let's discuss please

Not really difficult I sometimes go back to the discussion I posted when there is a need to address or add, on something I posted, discussions are all about facts and opinions if you already posted your opinion and come back to agree with other opinions the discussion becomes redundant and you're spamming, there is no rule in many campaigns that you can only post once in a discussion, it's on the poster if he wants to comeback when he has already given everything he knows about the topic.

[_BlackStar]

Not really difficult I sometimes go back to the discussion I posted when there is a need to address or add, on something I posted,

I agree, that's why users need to check who quoted their post if they don't have notification bot enabled. Some things can still be discussed on the same topic when someone quotes our post, it's clear there are no restrictions for whoever you are.

Making multiple posts on the same topic is fine, but if it's for something pointless then it will probably just end up as spamming. Well, we know that topics that are interestingly discussed tend to have higher-quality posters, whereas if the topic of discussion is not very interesting it will soon be buried by other topics.

[coin-investor]

In the few period of time I've spent on the forum, I've noticed that most times, people just come to a topic and state their opinions without coming back to add more contributions on such topics, hence discussion seems difficult especially for people in some signature campaigns.
Now my question is,
~Why does it seem difficult to continue a discussion on a topic.
~Why do people just state their opinions rather than continue a discussion?
Let's discuss please

We have so many members and if we quote a lot of member's posts the topic will be out of focus, once you post your facts and opinions on the subject there's no need to come back you can only come back and quote if there is additional info on the topic that you think is not yet added by other members, I don't want a topic about a casino that will end a topic about on something out of it, like a dog.
I'm not against coming back to discuss further on the topic I always do that on main events like boxing where I first post about the fight before it happens and come back after the fight for post analysis.

[robelneo]

In the few period of time I've spent on the forum, I've noticed that most times, people just come to a topic and state their opinions without coming back to add more contributions on such topics, hence discussion seems difficult especially for people in some signature campaigns.
Now my question is,
~Why does it seem difficult to continue a discussion on a topic.
~Why do people just state their opinions rather than continue a discussion?
Let's discuss please

I can only give my own side its not difficult to come back for me but I make sure that it will not create a mega thread or out of topic on the main topic, and if ever I did not come back its because I have explored every possible answer based on what I know on the subject, if the subject is an ongoing event like the World Cup or a boxing event especially when it's happening I usually comeback hours after the fight to give an update if there are no updates, while the event is happening and after the events to give a breakdown of the performance, it really depends on the subject.

[tranthidung]

It's not for all cases but mostly, posters release their posts that way simply because they are in signature campaigns and they mainly mind about their post count.

Post quality, discussion context etc. are not things existing in their mind when they're composing their posts.

• Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign)
• Forum welcome message

Two above topics ^{please read} have some valuable points for posters especially spammers who are ready to improve their posting style, posting quality and achieve something like: contributing more for the forum, forum community; ranking up for themselves; having better chances to join better campaigns and receiving better salary for their posts.

(4) Never mind of bounties, campaigns when you are noobs
Reasons:
- Campaigns are there, open then close, then others open and close, from time to time. You should never worry that you miss this chance, that chance, this campaign, that campaign, something like this.
It is the same as merits. Lots of users complain that merits are rare, I can not get merits due to it is rare. Nope, merits (more exactly, sMerits - sendable merits) are available, everywhere in the forum. There are so many merit sources, normal users, who have lots of sMerits readily to send out. They kept them partially due to quality posts are rare, not sMerits.
- Instead of paying too much attention, and time on hunting for bounties, especially bounties that have easy rules and joinable for low rank users; you should start learning, reading, and build up your accounts.
When you hit your finish lines, it's time for you to seriously think of joining bounties.

(6) Spend your time to improve your English, especially Reading and Writing skills
Reasons:
- If you can not read posts or topic in English well, can not get ideas of posts' / topics' authors, it means that you have nothing to do in the forum.
Remember that you have to get their ideas well enough to not misunderstand their core ideas.
- Next, after reading good enough to catch authors' ideas, it is time for you to express your own ideas in case you have something to ask for help, something to discuss, or something meaningful to help others. This is the time you need to have good enough Writing skill.
This is why I mentioned you should improve your English skills, step by step, from Reading to Writing. Of course, you can improve both skills simultaneously.
The forum is the place almost solely for discussions via Reading and Writing.
You can find available sources for English learning in the References at the end of this OP.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I think that's because many users don't have a notification medium to alert them when they get quoted. I don't have the numbers of users using the notification tools some kind hearted members of the forum has created but I guess it won't be much compared to the percentage of users not using them. If they had that and get notified each time they get mentioned on the forum, I'm sure they would respond and continue discussion on the threads they write. The forum is actually funds to write in and people will be genuinely interested in continues discussion, I know I would.

Before the telegram notification bot I'm using to get notifications got developed, I take time to go through threads I commented previously on to see if there's a response for me to give my feedbacks. Although some topics and quoted replys aren't worth continues discussion as you just have to state your opinion and move on, so don't blame members when they do such.

[dimonstration]

In the few period of time I've spent on the forum, I've noticed that most times, people just come to a topic and state their opinions without coming back to add more contributions on such topics, hence discussion seems difficult especially for people in some signature campaigns.

What kind of contribution you are looking for aside from opinionated reply on a discussion forum? The OP main job is to lock the thread once he received the reply that he wants when he open the topic but many OP usually leave there thread high and dry despite its asking an opinion is the main reason why it always flooded with opinionated replies.

Same on your topic that you are asking a question which means it has different answer on each user perspective. The only way to make a thread clean from opinion that you didn’t want is to set it on self moderated thread.

[Saisher]

Heck, even my years-old post gets quoted by some members in another community (which pays to post) from time to time.

There's always a notification if you're going to post on an old topic I don't usually post on that topic because it could be irrelevant might as well create a new one but with additional information, posters should always mind if the topic is old and irrelevant the members that posted in those topics are not active in the discussion anymore so when you quote them you might not get the answer that you want.

Going back to the topic It always depends on the kind of topic if there is a need to come back if the topic is all about asking for information and you have given and all the members have completed the information OP wants then, it's time to move on and there is no need for a lengthy discussion.

[Mpamaegbu]

~Why do people just state their opinions rather than continue a discussion?

Opinion – Discussion.
Discussion – Opinion.

Your observation is right OP. However, I don't think it's because they can't hold a discussion down. It could be other reasons. We get to see more of such scenarios with lower ranked accounts (I'm not saying this condescendingly) and I want to believe it's because they may not know how to watch or remember topics/threads they've commented on to do a follow-up on them. Except one has the BTT bot notifier, it's a huge task following up on discussions if one didn't put them on watch. Sometimes it could be that they get their answers in all within a few responses and don't feel the need to spam in order to meet weekly quota.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

In the few period of time I've spent on the forum, I've noticed that most times, people just come to a topic and state their opinions without coming back to add more contributions on such topics, hence discussion seems difficult especially for people in some signature campaigns.

This should be individuals responsibility to know how to engage on a discussion and now discover the need for it, are they participating on a discussion only to fulfill the requirements for posting or because they have find the topic an interesting aspect they will love to contribute band still follows up the discussion, also I've thought about it that how will memebers feels if there's no actually a signature campaign to participate in, will members still remains active and contributes as expected, but to cap it all, both the two are essentially since both you benefiting from a signature campaign and the forum from your quality contributions to the community.

~Why does it seem difficult to continue a discussion on a topic.

It shouldn't be a must thing to continue a follow up onna discussion especially when there's no more idea or things to update and talk about, it also depends on the kind of topics discussion, some are on an extensive kind which needed a continuous attention of OP to also partake in it by giving an updates on same discussion matter, but in other to maintain a post quality then it shouldn't be a must if there's no need to.

~Why do people just state their opinions rather than continue a discussion?

I Know if am also going to dig deep on your profile i may find you as well involved on this category, there's nothing bad as long as it's not included on the forum rules and regulations, if you gat nothing to offer then posting may not be required because any posting not received as expected can be termed as spamming or off topic if you're not on point, this makes the forum to have enough boards you can find your post fit in.

[UserU]

There's always a notification if you're going to post on an old topic...

Wait, there is? Like the same kind when you suddenly remembered to post on a thread that you left hanging and then there's the red "Your session has timed out" text thingy?

[NdaMk]

Some people get bored discussing a specific topic in the forum, so they move from one board to another to share their thoughts. You can't blame people for contributing a little quota in a given topic because they're diverse and want to contribute everywhere. In most cases like this, only the OP follows up on replies given to his topic on what he asked about, and asks additional questions if more explanation is required.

A board where've seen more discussion to a topic posed is the technical board. Most users that discuss there are vast in knowledge in that aspect and it's their everyday work, unlike other boards that anyone with basic knowledge can share their views about a question asked. Basically, it depends on the board the question is asked and the more knowledge people have about the topic.

[NeuroticFish]

This is not exclusive to this forum, what happens is that signature campaigns exacerbate it. But I see it every day in other forums, even things that here are against the rules like one liners or off topic replies.

When you go beyond page 5 in other forums, either people say what they think without arguing, or those who argue get involved in an argument that no one pays attention to, often going off topic.

There are campaign managers who may start ignoring your posts if it's almost only you discussing in a topic.
And yes, there are the many who just post something and move on.
These are both problems of the signature campaigns.

And I don't even talk about the "past page 5" area which in many cases becomes a meaningless mess.

But in a discussion it's good to wait for a third person's answer too sometimes, in order to prove your or thee other guy's point.
Or sometimes you or somebody else give the right answer and one simply doesn't have anything to add there.
And then instead of a not-really-valuable "You're right", people just move on, leaving topics look unfinished (although sometimes the merits on a posts tell the story).

So there are various cases and you seem to not care much into differentiating them in order to find some good directions (or even answers).
I tend to believe that Poker Player is right on this, especially as it's not the only topic you've made under this same format lately (I'd be happy to be wrong though).

Call me conspiranoid if you want but I would say that this thread has more to do with trying to get the minimum weekly merit requirement to not receive half the payout (relaxed requirement on the original) than with a real concern about the issue.

There's always a notification if you're going to post on an old topic...

Wait, there is? Like the same kind when you suddenly remembered to post on a thread that you left hanging and then there's the red "Your session has timed out" text thingy?

If you write into an old topic, you'll get a red "Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days." message on top of the edit box.

A board where've seen more discussion to a topic posed is the technical board. Most users that discuss there are vast in knowledge in that aspect and it's their everyday work, unlike other boards that anyone with basic knowledge can share their views about a question asked. Basically, it depends on the board the question is asked and the more knowledge people have about the topic.

Indeed, there are some debate there now and then, or people can easier correct one another. Good point.