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December 22, 2022, 11:49:45 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.


For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.


Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.


The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.




Casino use traditional games so expect that this will be the common games available on online casino. Also what type of games to bet didn't exist yet because maybe for now the business man behind the casino doesn't see any demand on this and only few people talk about it on any forums.

But things might change together with evolution of gambling since if this skill based pvp type of betting option will be famous then for sure many casino will adopt it.

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December 23, 2022, 06:38:23 AM
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I believe I have crossed a topic about asking why tekken or Mortal combat still not added in some casino to bet in ,  but I like this Idea , winner take all is the best to have this because we also played similar rules in the past when we were young , playing in arcade with friends and betting against everyone , the first one to win 3 rounds will face the winner of other opponent and yes I ended up winning most of the time as I have the combo from my favorite character.
Yes this is the another thread you're looking for Are we ever going to see this on gambling platforms some day..

Well it's not that easy to configure a video game to gambling, because the site will need to behalf like an escrow. They need to know the result of that's game, so I don't think licensed video games will want to add their game to someone site, they will ask for huge money because it's about copyright. It's possible for the casino create their own Mortal Combat game, but it will take a lot money and time to develop a very good game.
yeah and that means another expenses and added Job when they are gaining from the previous set up without any hassle , and this will only favor few when the operation needs more added action.
so maybe this will not be easy to operate and the cost will be more , better if we wanted to have this? find a group , use escrow and play against each other.

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December 23, 2022, 08:31:39 AM
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Probably such features would not be implemented in regular video games because they are not only played by adults, but also by children. And that could lead to even more addiction. I'm sure such games won't be approved by x-box or PlayStation. About the regular casino games, probably people are used to the classics, so fighting for money in the browser is not popular, but maybe that will change in the future.
Maybe if implemented into gambling, it will only attract gamblers while the young generation under 17 years can not play in the casino and are very happy to play those games on PlayStation or X-Box. And it will limit the number of players playing the game so maybe the profit to the casino is not as much as other gambling games. But I don't know. The casino may create a new game inspired by the games on PlayStation or X-Box. So let's wait for technological developments in this gambling sector.
Probably technology will not be difficult and most likely it is not difficult to implement in already-ready games. But it seems to me that this will be an additional reason for cheating. For example, a player can bet against himself and lose on purpose. If even in soccer rigged matches occur, then in computer games it is much easier to do.

That's what they're trying to avoid. Pvp games can easily be manipulated so they just are trying to avoid it. Casinos will spend too much if more players will cheat through pvp games. However, there are still lots of exciting games that each casino is releasing and launching each day so you could find where you're intrrested in. I believe that more games could be added and considered in the future as technology emerges and develops.
I simply find it strange to read from people that casinos could be cheated, how? But none has ever fetched me with a satisfactory answer. Maybe you will be the first to do this as you claim that PVP games could cause casinos to be cheated which is the reason why they avoid it and launch other game options.

I simply still do not know how this could be corrected, but I am open to enlightenment on this subject matter, especially through PVP, who is cheating who?

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December 23, 2022, 10:08:20 AM
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Probably such features would not be implemented in regular video games because they are not only played by adults, but also by children. And that could lead to even more addiction. I'm sure such games won't be approved by x-box or PlayStation. About the regular casino games, probably people are used to the classics, so fighting for money in the browser is not popular, but maybe that will change in the future.
Maybe if implemented into gambling, it will only attract gamblers while the young generation under 17 years can not play in the casino and are very happy to play those games on PlayStation or X-Box. And it will limit the number of players playing the game so maybe the profit to the casino is not as much as other gambling games. But I don't know. The casino may create a new game inspired by the games on PlayStation or X-Box. So let's wait for technological developments in this gambling sector.
Probably with technology will not be difficult and most likely it is not difficult to implement in already ready games. But it seems to me that this will be an additional reason for cheating. For example, a player can bet against himself and lose on purpose. If even in soccer rigged matches occur, then in computer games it is much easier to do.
It won't be easy for the average person who doesn't play the game much but knows the game because they don't know how to cheat the game. But casinos will not try to integrate something that can trigger cheating on their premises unless they have ensured everything is running well and no one will cheat, even if that is not guaranteed. Or maybe implementing such technology is still not possible for casinos so they would rather have games that many gamblers are used to playing. One day when the gambling industry grows even more rapidly, we will see that change.
casino cares nothing about this because since it will be about bet against bet then all they care is how much they will compensate from the event and this will not damage their site ,
but lets see what would be the result once this happens but Im afraid it will come any time soon.
Casinos care about their customers by providing good service and always adding new games to their casinos. They do this because that's the only way where they will have many members who always play at their place. And casinos also often hold events to attract the attention or interest of gamblers to join and have fun. That of course, will provide a huge income for the casino and the casino will grow in the future.

Probably such features would not be implemented in regular video games because they are not only played by adults, but also by children. And that could lead to even more addiction. I'm sure such games won't be approved by x-box or PlayStation. About the regular casino games, probably people are used to the classics, so fighting for money in the browser is not popular, but maybe that will change in the future.
Maybe if implemented into gambling, it will only attract gamblers while the young generation under 17 years can not play in the casino and are very happy to play those games on PlayStation or X-Box. And it will limit the number of players playing the game so maybe the profit to the casino is not as much as other gambling games. But I don't know. The casino may create a new game inspired by the games on PlayStation or X-Box. So let's wait for technological developments in this gambling sector.
Probably with technology will not be difficult and most likely it is not difficult to implement in already ready games. But it seems to me that this will be an additional reason for cheating. For example, a player can bet against himself and lose on purpose. If even in soccer rigged matches occur, then in computer games it is much easier to do.
It won't be easy for the average person who doesn't play the game much but knows the game because they don't know how to cheat the game. But casinos will not try to integrate something that can trigger cheating on their premises unless they have ensured everything is running well and no one will cheat, even if that is not guaranteed. Or maybe implementing such technology is still not possible for casinos so they would rather have games that many gamblers are used to playing. One day when the gambling industry grows even more rapidly, we will see that change.

Cheating would really be a problem since they are using third-party on this to connect to the games. We all know that in games there are a lot of cheaters so probably it would be prone to cheating and this is difficult to prevent as most of the game developers are trying to counter this but still, cheaters still exist. Though if most of the PVP games like tekken or mortal combat, cheating is difficult and also easily noticed so it would be nice to be integrated it soon.
Maybe they still need time to be fully integrated into their casino or they are waiting for a new trend in the gambling business so they are ready to release the PVP game. Usually, if they launch something along with an ongoing trend, they can get a nice income because they have something new that people want, especially if they have a lot of members who will spread the word about the update.

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December 23, 2022, 12:23:45 PM
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Probably such features would not be implemented in regular video games because they are not only played by adults, but also by children. And that could lead to even more addiction. I'm sure such games won't be approved by x-box or PlayStation. About the regular casino games, probably people are used to the classics, so fighting for money in the browser is not popular, but maybe that will change in the future.
Maybe if implemented into gambling, it will only attract gamblers while the young generation under 17 years can not play in the casino and are very happy to play those games on PlayStation or X-Box. And it will limit the number of players playing the game so maybe the profit to the casino is not as much as other gambling games. But I don't know. The casino may create a new game inspired by the games on PlayStation or X-Box. So let's wait for technological developments in this gambling sector.
Probably with technology will not be difficult and most likely it is not difficult to implement in already ready games. But it seems to me that this will be an additional reason for cheating. For example, a player can bet against himself and lose on purpose. If even in soccer rigged matches occur, then in computer games it is much easier to do.
It won't be easy for the average person who doesn't play the game much but knows the game because they don't know how to cheat the game. But casinos will not try to integrate something that can trigger cheating on their premises unless they have ensured everything is running well and no one will cheat, even if that is not guaranteed. Or maybe implementing such technology is still not possible for casinos so they would rather have games that many gamblers are used to playing. One day when the gambling industry grows even more rapidly, we will see that change.

Cheating would really be a problem since they are using third-party on this to connect to the games. We all know that in games there are a lot of cheaters so probably it would be prone to cheating and this is difficult to prevent as most of the game developers are trying to counter this but still, cheaters still exist. Though if most of the PVP games like tekken or mortal combat, cheating is difficult and also easily noticed so it would be nice to be integrated it soon.
Maybe they still need time to be fully integrated into their casino or they are waiting for a new trend in the gambling business so they are ready to release the PVP game. Usually, if they launch something along with an ongoing trend, they can get a nice income because they have something new that people want, especially if they have a lot of members who will spread the word about the update.

I am sure that when one casino will roll out this a lot of casinos will follow since if there are new trends others will follow so that they can join the trend and attract customers which are also we as a gambler is happy about it since we can choose what is the best casino to play and reputable one. Though for now, I haven't heard of this kind of game rolling out (or I just didn't notice it) so the possibility on this is it will take a few years or more to see this.
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December 23, 2022, 01:22:17 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.
Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.
You're one of the few that's saying this I still consider games on casinos challenging and entertaining it's hard to beat the house and is a big accomplishment beating it.

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For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.
you can choose 4 characters.
Opponent can choose 4 characters.
Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.
The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.
I don't think casinos will install this as there is little profit to be made here and besides people that are playing in casinos are gamblers and not gamers, if you want something like this, go find it in the gaming hub, or recommend these kinds of games to gaming sites.

Those are one of the oldest forms of gambling so they keep using this kind of game of course at the end of the game its in the people's choice and some of them keep finding this kind of genre of game. Also some of the game like this accepting with the lower wager too unlike other games most often in table top games offer with the 10 dollars minimum too so peoples choice to play with.

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December 23, 2022, 01:41:25 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.


For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.


Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.


The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.




I'm not sure if you are right about having players vs player games on casinoes because right we already have many players vs players games online where you can have real competitors and where are already many games for this pupos.
For example if you are falimialr with card games you can try playing Poker and enjoy playing against other real players. Also there can be some other options you can try.
But still the developers can be more creative and develop some other online pvp games other than card games.

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December 23, 2022, 01:53:04 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.


For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.


Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.


The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.
The problem is that the majority of gamblers don't really like PvP games, I personally like that too,, I prefer the display of images/animations that are generated/shown when playing slots. for me PvP is just a waste of time, but this is just my opinion, every gambler is different.

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December 23, 2022, 03:55:22 PM
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Because of hacks mostly. These games like tekken you mentioned may have lots of bugs in the code and that would ruin the game for those who don’t know about that.
Good point, no one casinos wants to take the risk knowing they have instant cashouts and if a bug is found and exploited they can lose millions within minutes. Even the dice game we see today it had many bugs initially, I still remember Hufflepuff cheated PD out of a massive amount and they couldn't even find out what's wrong for quite a while.

Less code = less headache.
Yes and the market for new games isn't big either, players are addicted to the already existing games.

Sometime ago I used to play at a casino named something like luckybits or something and they had a few refreshing games but I think the casino has been closed, tells you how new games can lead to losses perhaps.
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December 23, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
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Since we are talking about real money here, having a bug in those complicated games would ruin the casino completely. And fixing that bug in a complicated game would be too much time consuming, expensive.

I don't consider games such as Tekken, Mortal Kombat, and Street Fighters as complicated games with complicated technology associated with complicated bugs that need a complicated solution. These games are provided by well-established Game Providers and the gambling site will just run them.

It's not the bug actually but demand of that game. Casino games also shouldn't handle that type of competition or PVP related as in the first place as that wasn't a casino game where users are against the house, not on other players.

A dedicated platform is needed for that type of game.
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December 23, 2022, 05:01:23 PM
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Good point, no one casinos wants to take the risk knowing they have instant cashouts and if a bug is found and exploited they can lose millions within minutes. Even the dice game we see today it had many bugs initially, I still remember Hufflepuff cheated PD out of a massive amount and they couldn't even find out what's wrong for quite a while.

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What a story! It's the first time I heard about it and wow... what happens during early days of bitcoin history is something crazy !
https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

About this game proposed, I think that it's really hard create something like this and required a lot of effort in coding, writing rule, etc etc
Moreover it's remind me a game like "axie infinity" so I think that maybe something similar has been already realized.

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December 23, 2022, 06:18:54 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.


For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.


Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.


The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.




Almost as a whole, all types of games that involve betting are designed to be as simple and attractive as possible just to spoil their users. Remember, most casino games are not made for the skill level of their users. or pitting user skills with other users.  although there are some games that involve skill, such as poker which requires skill, insight, memory and involves several people who play it. however, almost all types of gambling games are designed as simple as possible but still interesting. gambling games are different from PC games or mobile games that are often played by teenagers or young people, such as winning eleven for example or Call of Duty or maybe mortal kombat.

The types of games that involve betting, always involve gamblers and the dealer. whether it's slot machines, dice, roulette, baccarat, or so on. I'm not sure the ideas you put forward will be adopted by casino businessmen. except, if there are innovations and breakthroughs that are more up-to-date. even then, if well received by the market. even so the possibility is still there, but we do not know when it can be realized.

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December 23, 2022, 08:38:50 PM
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Almost as a whole, all types of games that involve betting are designed to be as simple and attractive as possible just to spoil their users. Remember, most casino games are not made for the skill level of their users. or pitting user skills with other users.  although there are some games that involve skill, such as poker which requires skill, insight, memory and involves several people who play it. however, almost all types of gambling games are designed as simple as possible but still interesting. gambling games are different from PC games or mobile games that are often played by teenagers or young people, such as winning eleven for example or Call of Duty or maybe mortal kombat.

The types of games that involve betting, always involve gamblers and the dealer. whether it's slot machines, dice, roulette, baccarat, or so on. I'm not sure the ideas you put forward will be adopted by casino businessmen. except, if there are innovations and breakthroughs that are more up-to-date. even then, if well received by the market. even so the possibility is still there, but we do not know when it can be realized.
The kind of betting he is talking about should belong to e-sports category, which is similar to sports betting, but instead of betting on real sports events, he wants to bet in multiplayer games. That is something which already exists, but its impact on the gambling industry is minimal, since those games aren't so popular nowadays and the mix between gaming and gambling isn't efficient. Most gamblers still don't engage themselves in video-game bets, as they prefer traditional casino games and sports bets. It has been a tough barrier on the adopt of e-sports among gambling enthusiasts.

I think if we were in the 90', when those Arcade machines were popular, but connected to the internet, there should be better chances the "cool games" OP mentioned could be taken seriously by the gambling community.

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Good point, no one casinos wants to take the risk knowing they have instant cashouts and if a bug is found and exploited they can lose millions within minutes. Even the dice game we see today it had many bugs initially, I still remember Hufflepuff cheated PD out of a massive amount and they couldn't even find out what's wrong for quite a while.

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What a story! It's the first time I heard about it and wow... what happens during early days of bitcoin history is something crazy !
https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

About this game proposed, I think that it's really hard create something like this and required a lot of effort in coding, writing rule, etc etc
Moreover it's remind me a game like "axie infinity" so I think that maybe something similar has been already realized.


there maybe more games already but only few can be seen as popular. it depends on how they market it to the gaming industry. if a new game is developed, it is always better to hold a test phase so they can offer some rewards for players who can find bugs. don't introduce it right away without running a test. definitely you will lose if there is a certain bug because most players will abuse it before reporting it. dont trust players to be very honest with their games.

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December 23, 2022, 10:10:47 PM
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Good point, no one casinos wants to take the risk knowing they have instant cashouts and if a bug is found and exploited they can lose millions within minutes. Even the dice game we see today it had many bugs initially, I still remember Hufflepuff cheated PD out of a massive amount and they couldn't even find out what's wrong for quite a while.

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What a story! It's the first time I heard about it and wow... what happens during early days of bitcoin history is something crazy !
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About this game proposed, I think that it's really hard create something like this and required a lot of effort in coding, writing rule, etc etc
Moreover it's remind me a game like "axie infinity" so I think that maybe something similar has been already realized.

This one is a never forgetting kind of exploit which it happens on PD which it did really been able for someone to exploit out and lose out tons of money within minutes which is really something that could really happen
on a certain gambling platform.Come to think that it was on dice game, for now we arent seeing some major exploits into these kind of games but there's always those probabilities.
Integrating some sort of Pvp is something that cant really be that easy, its true that it would really be needing that complex coding and other security features which
is really needed to be applied. Also casinos doesnt really like those slow-paced games which do also slows down the stream of income or revenue.
So it is really just understandable.

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December 23, 2022, 10:26:19 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.


For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.
Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.

The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.


One of the main thing to consider, does it attract enough market for it to become profitable on the casino's end?
What if your opponent have a better internet connection, that would matter to any games, I knew that because I am a gamer as well and I also played since Tekken 2.
If it was attractive enough for the gamblers, then it would have been implemented already.
As you can see, the most effective betting style for this kind of games is via tournament, some gambling platforms open a line for betting for the bettors to choose their favourite player.

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December 23, 2022, 10:40:51 PM
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The main issue is fairness I think, p2p games can be cheated by various softwares so if the money is involved I can imagine what kind of things players can do to win. Esports is another alternative but I guess you ask for team battles on specific games, maybe you should try online poker websites.
I can not refer someone to particular to play, because i know that if the person happens to play such kind of game and it happens that the game fails to enter as expected, the people in question will feel like I'm asked them to go into a wrong platform, let them use their hand and look for the particular game they feel that is good with them from my observation, if they are ro check poker as you mentioned let it be that it use it's hand to locate the game it need.
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December 23, 2022, 11:06:18 PM
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The technology today is bad only dice, roullete and the normal games like slots.

Its not competitive. Why not open games players vs players.


For example somethign similar to Tekken on a browser.

you can choose 4 characters.

Opponent can choose 4 characters.


Betting can be from 5$ to 300$. The winner of 3 rounds take all money.


The more hours you play the more skilled you get and can get confident in changing bet size.




I don't think you will find many Casinos interested in that. Not saying it is a bad idea but that it would involve a lot of effort for Casinos to develop and a lot of investment wasted. However, there may be a way to develop a betting place where you can bet in real live e-gaming where gamblers can even play and bet in themselves or the opponents.
It could something like connected to Twitct or rumble or something like that where you could invite players on the game to battles where you could live stream directly through one of these platforms. Interesting idea though...
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December 23, 2022, 11:44:05 PM
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I don't think you will find many Casinos interested in that. Not saying it is a bad idea but that it would involve a lot of effort for Casinos to develop and a lot of investment wasted. However, there may be a way to develop a betting place where you can bet in real live e-gaming where gamblers can even play and bet in themselves or the opponents.
It could something like connected to Twitct or rumble or something like that where you could invite players on the game to battles where you could live stream directly through one of these platforms. Interesting idea though...

You can only play competitive games on other platforms but cannot use non-gambling platforms to bet unless you can only bet with your friends, so competitive games of the fighter genre are very rarely adopted in gambling because not many people are interested in playing them, so slot games, roulette and others are appropriate for gambling games, gambling platforms only focus on increasing the games that are most in demand by many gamblers and other games are only alternatives to complement but if they don't reach the profit target then the platform will replace them with other games.


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OP have clearly mentioned about the games that needs to be played for a long to master it. To master the game playing against other players it takes time and continued betting would slow down the gaming process. It is always good to spend on games like chess, if someone is interested into player vs player games.

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