Post per day/ per month falling.

[SickDayIn]

Posts per day and Posts per month is a fairly simple metric to observe or attempt to correlate with the progress and success of the forum.

The best assessment of the forum, is the number of high quality posts made per day and per month. This could be measured based on statistics such as "posts per day with minimum 200 characters", or "posts per day that received merit" or "new user registrations" even. I think digging deeper into the analysis with more specific metrics will provide the outcome you are seeking..

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[Ultegra134]

Halving bring enthusiasm for Bitcoin and not posting on the forum, if there's anything we should be doing during that time is making our plans in preparation for the aftermath of the halving. Lets take a chill pill and look at things from a different point of observation because I know we're always quick to point fingers at some things that we feel are reasons for less activities on the forum but lets not forget that people have a life outside the forum and some times life outside might be the reason for the less activity on the forum.

People are suffering from different things that might make them to not be available for posting. I myself haven't been as active as I use to be because I'm having some life challenges and I believe others might be facing similar issues. When there's reductions in post activity it could be because of things like this and looking at some accounts that used to be very active on the forum are no more so obviously there has to be reduction in post quantity on the forum.

We too need to look at the fact that the bounty/signature campaigns aren't as motivating as they use to be to those that need it to get motivated to post on the forum and the other reasons that have been mentioned here that I don't have e to repeat are also contributing factors. But still we are having a very decent amount of engagement on the forum to keep it alive so I think we're good, the activity will.come back up later eventually.

Halving brings ethusiasm and ethusiasm is attracting new members. At least from what I've noticed, during every bull run, especially one after halving, you'll notice more and more posts regarding Bitcoin's price and generic speculation ones from brand new and newbie accounts. Even I returned to the forum after the halving of 2020 and the upcoming bull run that pumped Bitcoin's price back to $20,000 after many years. I believe this is the reason the OP is correlating the halving with posts per month.

I also remember the forum being more active in 2017, especially in terms of signature campaigns, but the content wasn't as good as it is now. Keep in mind that the merit system wasn't introduced yet, and there was a large amount of gibberish due to them being able to participate even in low-paying campaigns.

Generally, even with Bitcoin's new ATH and high price of over $60,000, I believe that this isn't the best period for a large number of us due to certain circumstances in our daily lives, which is the main reason I'm not as active as I used to be a few months ago. 

[Saint-loup]

Posts per day and Posts per month is a fairly simple metric to observe or attempt to correlate with the progress and success of the forum.

The best assessment of the forum, is the number of high quality posts made per day and per month. This could be measured based on statistics such as "posts per day with minimum 200 characters", or "posts per day that received merit" or "new user registrations" even. I think digging deeper into the analysis with more specific metrics will provide the outcome you are seeking..

You say the best assessment is the number of high quality posts and then you name new user registrations as a relevant metric, you're wrong bots or spammers can create multiple accounts just for spamming, so it's not a good metric to assess the overall quality of posts. Neither the number of characters. We see many users belonging to some signature campaigns, posting very long low value posts. They never receive any merit and some of them are even tagged as spammers by some DT members, so it's not so easy.

[EarnOnVictor]

Posts per day and Posts per month is a fairly simple metric to observe or attempt to correlate with the progress and success of the forum.

The best assessment of the forum, is the number of high quality posts made per day and per month. This could be measured based on statistics such as "posts per day with minimum 200 characters", or "posts per day that received merit" or "new user registrations" even. I think digging deeper into the analysis with more specific metrics will provide the outcome you are seeking..

You say the best assessment is the number of high quality posts and then you name new user registrations as a relevant metric, you're wrong bots or spammers can create multiple accounts just for spamming, so it's not a good metric to assess the overall quality of posts. Neither the number of characters. We see many users belonging to some signature campaigns, posting very long low value posts. They never receive any merit and some of them are even tagged as spammers by some DT members, so it's not so easy.

I think you are the one who is wrong here, or perhaps you did not understand what @SickDayIn narrated very well, or you just wanted to stress on what is not there. The guy is 100% right if you view it insightfully, even though there are no perfect metrics in what he cited as a basis to add value to the forum, nevertheless, what he said is on point, and you are only finding excuses. Good posters can write long posts and bad posters can as well do that, and the same goes for good posters writing short posts, and the same is true for bad posters. These are mere distractions in this context if I must say, they are not the goal here.

The main points he was trying to point out are; 1. Traffic generated and 2. The number of opened accounts considerations. You can't underrate them in valuing the forum by an external valuator. Whether you like it or not, they add value to the forum regardless of how they are created, who created them and how they are being operated. When it comes to the quality posting per se, it is a different bargain within the forum. Know the difference.

[SickDayIn]

Posts per day and Posts per month is a fairly simple metric to observe or attempt to correlate with the progress and success of the forum.

The best assessment of the forum, is the number of high quality posts made per day and per month. This could be measured based on statistics such as "posts per day with minimum 200 characters", or "posts per day that received merit" or "new user registrations" even. I think digging deeper into the analysis with more specific metrics will provide the outcome you are seeking..

You say the best assessment is the number of high quality posts and then you name new user registrations as a relevant metric, you're wrong bots or spammers can create multiple accounts just for spamming, so it's not a good metric to assess the overall quality of posts. Neither the number of characters. We see many users belonging to some signature campaigns, posting very long low value posts. They never receive any merit and some of them are even tagged as spammers by some DT members, so it's not so easy.

That's a good point, bulk user registration negates measuring the number of new user registrations per day. Maybe one way to measure success of the forum could be, the number of users that have registered within the past 90 days that have a higher postcount of 50? Even then it's difficult to assess as spammers could still achieve this. Maybe the only way to assess the success of the forum is how many new users are joining, how many merits they obtain, as this is an indication of high quality posts.

New users aside, measuring the quality of posts per day is the difficult issue. If measuring characters per posts per day in insufficient, which I agree with, then the only way is to measure the "semantic load" of posts, which requires some sort of large language model or machine learning to make an assessment of all posts made per day which is probably computationally intensive.

Nevertheless, I am sure the moderators of each forum section converse regularly on the general trend the forum is making and they discuss options to ensure the sustainability and viability of the forum.

[JollyGood]

I agree there could be a barometer to add that could provide more statistical data but the term "high quality posts" is highly contentious because the meaning or understanding changes according to the person reading the post. For example, what you might deem to be a high/good quality post could be assessed by others as being low quality or spam.

The number of characters in a post (200 or otherwise) cannot and do no denote the level of quality associated with it.

Posts per day and Posts per month is a fairly simple metric to observe or attempt to correlate with the progress and success of the forum.

The best assessment of the forum, is the number of high quality posts made per day and per month. This could be measured based on statistics such as "posts per day with minimum 200 characters", or "posts per day that received merit" or "new user registrations" even. I think digging deeper into the analysis with more specific metrics will provide the outcome you are seeking..

[Findingnemo]

I am just bringing different perspective, what if Bitcointalk has covered everything and anything related to cryptos so there is no point beating the bush around again with the same topics when it can be found in the searches?

Another reason is people have their own life outside of bitcointalk, at once I lived 24/7 on Facebook probably in the year 2012 and around that period then things changed and now being at bitcointalk around years and I never know when I might leave, or here's my destiny ends.

[d5000]

If we look at the longer time periods, then it seems that the forum activity has stabilized on a relatively low level since late 2022.

This can be seen also positive: I feel that since 2-3 years most subforums have become readable again. For example, in "Bitcoin Discussion" or "Economics" in 2017-20/21 you were lucky if you found a single interesting thread on the first page. Now while there are still lots of "spam megathreads", there are some gems here and there, like the Mempool and LN Observers.

In general the evolution is not too bad, considering developments like the overall decline of forums versus newer forms of social media and communication in general (although I think this has stabilized somewhat in the last 5 years).

The ad stats linked by the OP are giving some interesting ideas around the general forums' evolution:

- first a slow growth, then in 2013/14 an unique user explosion up to >20000
- then a decline which lasted approximately until 2016, with a low of around 10000-12000 users
- then a massive growth, reaching the maximum of 115498 users in January 2018
- in 2018 a massive decline until 2019/20, reaching again the 10000 mark
- then a temporary new increase, but not reaching the maximum of 2017/18, up to around 20000 in late 2021
- and since then a decrease again, this time fastly falling to a level of 8000-10000, which is the order of magnitude we have now.

I think much has to do actually with the attention level in general on cryptocurrencies. We see that the maximum activity was always close to a marked Bitcoin ATH, and the minimums were in the early bull markets, when everybody is still bearish. (I actually don't think we are still in this phase, this year perhaps the mixer ban did cost some activity, perhaps otherwise we could be at 12-13000 again).

But of course there are other factors too. The merit policy could have contributed to the extreme downtrend in logged-in users in 2018 (a 90% loss!), which is not only negative (see above, I think most of the people left in this era were shitposters, but there may have also been "OGs" leaving because they were annoyed by shitposters). But also the burst of the ICO wave surely has contributed.

What to do? I think to further stabilize and grow again a little bit, apart from a positive Bitcoin price evolution, a slight visual update would surely help, above all a better usability from mobile devices. I could imagine for example a CSS format for longposts, where you can chose to use a style which looks like a Medium post. So this could incentive people to link quality posts in other social media and drive new users into the forum.


PS: It is interesting that stats like the "Unique IPs from logged-out users" and "Impressions per slot" are growing. This means that for advertisers the forum could be becoming more attractive again.

[philipma1957]

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Though they probably may be having many more registered accounts sooner or later than BTT as the traffic there grows since it's much easier to rank up there and also getting reputation because the forum is still growing, which is an advantage for getting picked in a campaign. Also as the traffic grows the pay will likely increase aside from the fact that mixers campaign pays more than any other campaigns while altcoinstalks is not just limited to mixers campaign, others  will definitely come and try.

Registered accounts don't make much sense if we take into account the number of quality members on both forums. Regardless of members who "teleported" to another forum and members who have been there before, I think that BTT is still far ahead when it comes to the number of quality members, and therefore the content they create.

The pay rates on the other forum are still almost half as much as here, and at the moment I don't see that there will be any big increase - because top mixers used to pay $200 + per week for 30-35 posts on BTT, and now they pay about $50 for the same number of posts on another forum. If they could raise it to at least $100+ per week, I'm sure they would attract more quality members from this forum.

absolutely.  but as I said I suspect there was a large farm or 2 or 3  doing miners here.

and if they did 10 accounts 40 posts a week that is 400 posts gone say 1650-1700 a month
if they did 20 accounts 40 posts a week that is 800 posts gone weekly say 3300-3400 a month

so two farms that size means 5100 posts lost monthly

just think that could have been 13000 usd a month income lost for the farms.

I like to think that a hidden benefit of the mixer dump is we killed off a few farms.

I can't generate that much traffic just by myself especially since I am honest and only do a signature here.

But 70-140 posts a week I can do clean and legit.

If I bothered I could do three or four accounts with 30-40 posts a week which would have made money at a decent rate doing the mixing.

Maybe I could have done 200 posts a week and made 600-800 a week.

I do not operate that way but I know how to do that. I am not the only one that knows how.

Have to think these people just stopped posting what do all that at altcointalks for only 150-200 a week.  Since you need to properly tack and account for all four accounts to look like you are not the same person.

[OgNasty]

After cutting off a large revenue source for users like signature campaigns for mixers it isn’t crazy to think the posts per day would drop. This is why community projects are important for this place and running around leaving people negative trust at the drop of a hat for trying to create use cases is probably not in the best interests of this place.

[Jet Cash]

It would be great if we could win back some of the members from a few years ago. Characters like Tman, and helpful posters like JackG were beneficial for the forum. I'd also like to see some of the big names in the industry posting here. Could we attract Larry Fink - that would be fun. Biden would be even better.. But seriously, I'm not really sure where Bitcoin Talk fits into the crypto world any more. It's a great place for newbies, and people with Bitcoin problems. Maybe the FBI members here could raise their heads and start posting.

[Vod]

Maybe the FBI members here could raise their heads and start posting.

 

I know Homeland Security isn't here. 

[Jet Cash]

I know Homeland Security isn't here. 

I thought Homeland Security was a taxi service in the US. I know that in England it is a ferry service.

[Bravut]

Members not partaking is as a result of less topic post made and also no interesting and debating discussion thread been brought up. If this board can bring up more interesting discussion thread, more members will participate. They see it as a thread about the Forum only and some selected high rank members left to discuss about it. Even the active members here don't engage post at times, this leads to intending partakers to be unmotivated.

[Vod]

Hopefully people are migrating to a community that wants to improve bitcoin, not hoard it.  

The price will fall if it's not being used.

[EarnOnVictor]

Members not partaking is as a result of less topic post made and also no interesting and debating discussion thread been brought up. If this board can bring up more interesting discussion thread, more members will participate. They see it as a thread about the Forum only and some selected high rank members left to discuss about it. Even the active members here don't engage post at times, this leads to intending partakers to be unmotivated.

This is not true and it seems you even wrote the opposite of what is happening on the forum. First, we should know that the traffic of the forum can't be static or the same at all times, it has to be dynamic, and just like the market charts are displaying, so is the trend of the forum activities. It is normal that there will be times of increasing traffic and there will be times of decreasing traffic, but on average, the forum still maintains a very good reputation traffic-wise. As for the factor, fewer topics are not being posted as you alleged, and as a matter of fact, there are more topics, and they are interesting ones which I often see daily. There are also low, medium and high-ranking members who are active, so I do not know where you are getting your metrics on this matter.

However, for me, the two most important reasons are the inability of some users to join a campaign. They might reduce their gambling activities due to that until they are again fixed somewhere. And the lack of will is the second. The second part might sound funny, but when the average of those who lack the will to post is high, it becomes obvious, especially if the happenings on the forum bore them at a point. This is not coordinated but could be coincidental to have such an effect.

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However, for me, the two most important reasons are the inability of some users to join a campaign. They might reduce their gambling activities due to that until they are again fixed somewhere. And the lack of will is the second. The second part might sound funny, but when the average of those who lack the will to post is high, it becomes obvious, especially if the happenings on the forum bore them at a point. This is not coordinated but could be coincidental to have such an effect.

The second reason that you talked about is not really true. It may be correct in a decade time ago when bitcoin was young. There was no campaigns at the time but people were here to gain from knowledge each other. We are still learning from each other this time but if there is no campaigns anymore, forum daily posts will reduced by almost 95%. You will be very surprised if you see those that you thought they are here for fun that they will be the ones that will first leave not posting anymore.

[Dunamisx]

However, for me, the two most important reasons are the inability of some users to join a campaign. They might reduce their gambling activities due to that until they are again fixed somewhere. And the lack of will is the second. The second part might sound funny, but when the average of those who lack the will to post is high, it becomes obvious, especially if the happenings on the forum bore them at a point. This is not coordinated but could be coincidental to have such an effect.

The second reason that you talked about is not really true. It may be correct in a decade time ago when bitcoin was young. There was no campaigns at the time but people were here to gain from knowledge each other. We are still learning from each other this time but if there is no campaigns anymore, forum daily posts will reduced by almost 95%. You will be very surprised if you see those that you thought they are here for fun that they will be the ones that will first leave not posting anymore.

If we can consider the numbers of those joining the forum each day, we could easily depict the fact on what is going on, we cannot expect an increasing rate of posts when we are having a drop down in the numbers of those interested to learn and join the forum, the second aspect, we can say that the signature campaigns also are part of what constitutes the increasing numbers of posts, which means, if we are having a drop from the statistics of the available signature campaigns, then it's automatic that we are going to also experience a drop on posts.